Talk:Twin bees shuttle on 21P4.1

My general sense is that record-breaking patterns generally get to keep their LifeWiki articles, even if they're subsequently surpassed by some new record-breaker. They're part of a historical series, and removing them makes an unnecessary hole in the series. So I guess my vote would be not to delete this article (or others like it). Dvgrn (talk) 03:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I think "no longer the smallest known" is not a sufficient reason for deletion - if it was the smallest known at some point, my preference is to keep the page. (Although in practice these pages often get merged/redirected, I would prefer to keep them). The discussion LifeWiki:Tiki bar#Do LCMs need their own pages? may be relevant.

Another reason to keep pages about "superseded" patterns is that there are categories for browsing objects with a specific property/value of something - e.g. oscillators/spaceship with a specific period/mod/population. If pages are deleted as soon as a smaller example is found, then many of these categories will at any point in time have only a couple of examples, with most previously listed ones deleted and no longer visible. A partial workaround would be to categorize redirects (so that redirected pages are still visible in categories) - but that is not automatic (i.e. someone has to re-add categories to the redirect manually), and anyway it might be simpler to keep the existing page (which is probably already categorized, so there is no need to do anything, apart from updating any existing statements about the oscillator being/being not smallest known). Confocal (talk) 04:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

The difference between this one and many others is that this is an LCM. LCMs are barely over the threshold of notability to begin with. HotdogPi (talk) 18:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I do understand this is an LCM. My objections are that (1) the stated reason for deletion (in this specific case, and in many other cases) is "no longer smallest known", which is not sufficient to convince me that the article should be deleted; (2) as I said, if an oscillator was SKOP at some point, that fact alone suffices for me to consider it notable, whether or not it is a LCM. Confocal (talk) 20:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Deletion tag

I removed the deletion tag. - User:HerscheltheHerschel