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Conway's Game of Life: Mathematics and Construction/Errata

2026-07-06T10:24:07Z

Nathaniel: Added Exercise 1.17 stabilization issue

This page is intended to catalogue any anachronisms or typos found in the book [[Conway's Game of Life: Mathematics and Construction]].

== Anachronisms ==

The book is up-to-date as of January 15, 2022. The discoveries listed here are all from after that date.

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! Section
! Pages
! Notes
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| January 29, 2022
| 8.5
| 234
| Table 8.1 does not include the period-27 glider gun [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140915#p140915 found by goldenratio and hotdogPi].
|-
| February 14, 2022
| 8.5
| 236
| [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=141620#p141620 JP21 found a new (smaller) p28 gun], making the sentence "The only known true-period 28 glider gun is also based on hassling a T-tetromino..." no longer true.
|-
| April 12, 2022
| 8.5.1
| 233-4
| iNoMed and David Raucci have assembled a [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=144139#p144139 single-engine p36 gun]. Nothing in the book is technically incorrect, but "36" is now a slight anachronism in the section title "Spark Collisions: True-Period 22, 30, 33, 36, 45, and 46 Guns"
|-
| June 25, 2022
| 8.5.2
| 234-6
| iNoMed and cvojan have built [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=147512#p147512 guns based on a new p37 R-hassling oscillator], which is not in the table. "37" should now be included in the 8.5.2 section title.
|-
| July 6, 2022
| 3.7
| 73
| "34" can be removed from the list of unknown periods.
|-
| November 2, 2022
| Exercise 8.17
| 265
| Period 51 now has a very simple [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=153007#p153007 honeyfarm hassler gun] as well as the larger one based on the hotcrystal0 reaction. Nothing in the book seems to be inaccurate, but possibly a reference to the smaller p51 could be added in the footnote.
|-
| November 8, 2022
| 8.5.2
| 234-6
| "25" can be added to the table due to [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=153265#p153265 this p25 gun]. It's a "modified B-heptomino hassler", so it '''could''' be added to the hasslers section, but maybe that object isn't common enough to count as "common".
|-
| January 12, 2023
| 4.6.1
| 106-107
| A fifth elementary diagonal spaceship speed has been discovered, the c/8 [[Walrus]].
|-
| April 5, 2023 (p61 glider gun) and/or July 24, 2022 (speed tunnel)
| 8.5.2
| 234-6
| "61" can be added to the hasslers section due to [[Period-61 glider gun (2023)|this p61 gun]]. But also the p61 and p62 lines could simply be cut from the table, and explanatory text could say that all periods 61 and above can be achieved with [[speed tunnel]]s and a carefully chosen subset of Herschel tracks.
|-
| June 6, 2023
| 4.6.1, 10.5
| 108, 337-340
| [[Unnamed (34,7)c/156 spaceship|A spaceship]] was constructed via the [[(34,7)c/156 Herschel climber]], attaining a speed of (34,7)c/156 and a slope of 34/7
|-
| July 14 & 21, 2023
| 3.7, 4.5.1
| 73-74, 101-103
| "19" and "41" can be removed from the list of unknown periods (which can be made empty); 2023 can be added as a year in which new periods were discovered, and Life was proven omniperiodic.
|-
| November 15, 2022 (21-bitters) and August 19, 2024 (22-bitters)
| 5.3, 5.8
| 129, 147
| Syntheses have since been found for all [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=153564#p153564 21-bit strict still lifes] and all [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=192477#p192477 22-bit strict still lifes]
|-
| September 11, 2022 & January 31, 2023
| 3.5
| 68
| [[Period-43 glider gun]] and [[94P53]] mean that periods 43 and 53 are no longer only achievable with [[snark]] loops
|-
| October 28-30, 2024
| 8.5.2
| 234-6
| There is now a true [[period-47 glider gun]] by iNoMed, Entity Valkyrie, and Luka Okanishi.
|-
| December 5, 2024
| 8.5.2
| 234-6
| There is now a true [[period-35 glider gun]] by iNoMed, hotcrystal0, and Matthias Merzenich.
|-
| December 14, 2024
| 9.4.2, Chapter 9 Exercises
| 288-291, 309-310
| Optimized arithmetic units ADD, SUB, and MUL are now [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=199807#p199807 available], exactly as requested in Exercise 9.13. An APGsembly listing for a computer that prints prime numbers (Exercise 9.25) is included in the package; I think the original source is [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=92224#p92224 Nathaniel's posted solutions] to Exercises 9.24 and 9.25.
|-
| March 16, 2025
| 8.5.2
| 234-6
| There is now a true [[period-14 glider gun]] by Matthias Merzenich and James Pascua.
|-
| 2024-2025
| 10.1.4, 10.5
| 321, 337
| [[silverfish]] is no longer the smallest [[31c/240 orthogonal]] [[spaceship]], having been surpassed by [[leaf bug]], [[Mannaz]], [[water strider]], and [[leaf bug 2]]
|-
| February 11, 2022
| 3.3.1
| 61
| [[caterer]] is no longer used for [[SKOP]] 21 ([[32P21]])
|}

== Errata and Typos ==

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! Section
! Pages
! Notes
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| 1.8
| 31
| Exercise 1.17 claims that a pattern stabilizes in 6526574 generations, when in reality it stabilizes in 8120878 generations.
|-
| 4.5.2
| 103
| ''When this happens, the wire is instead called a wick, and the '''objects''' that '''“burns”''' through the wick is called a fuse.'' Subject-verb disagreement.
|-
| 6
| 154
| "... typically smaller and simpler that stationary circuitry ..." should be "... typically smaller and simpler than stable circuitry ..."
|-
| 6.3.3
| 168
| In footnote 17, "stationary" should be "stable" instead.
|-
| 6.6
| 181
| There appears to be an erroneous space between problem 6.31 and its asterisk.
|-
| 7.9
| 211
| Footnote 40 appears on page 212, though the reference is on page 211.
|-
| 7.9
| 218
| There appears to be an erroneous space between problem 7.38 and its asterisk.
|-
| 7.9
| 218
| In problem 7.38, "true period" should be "true-period" as it is throughout the book.
|-
| 9.8, Figure 9.17
| 307
| (FIXED 04/23/2022 on website and PDF) Omission - the pattern file [https://conwaylife.com/book/patterns/universal_computation/osqrtlogt.txt reachable by clicking Figure 9.17] has comments that imply that the pattern is Adam P. Goucher's original Osqrtlogt. An additional line should say "Partially rebuilt and reduced by Dave Greene and Nathaniel Johnston in 2019-20, using newer components like [[Snark]] and [[syringe]]."
|-
| 10.2.1
| 322
| Typo - "behind a backward ra'''t'''e" should be "behind a backward ra'''k'''e"
|-
| 11.3
| 361
| Missing number - the recipe to create a glider on lane 12 is missing a timing delay of 109 ticks at the start.
|-
| 11.7.3, Figure 11.24
| 375
| Typo - "... allowing the crab two carry two construction ..." first instance of "two" should be "to".
|-
| 11.7.3, Figure 11.24
| 375
| Typo - "... so as trigger the ignitions." should be "... so as to trigger the ignitions."
|-
| 11.27
| 380
| Typo - "bounces around the diamond-shaped track highlighted '''track''' in orange": second instance of "track" should be removed.
|-
| 12.3
| 395
| Figure 12.16 caption, "degrees). Uses the same state" → "degrees). '''It''' uses the same state"
|-
| Pattern Library
|
| The pattern file for Chapter 4 exercise 4.28 in the library is named "beehive wire" but should be "beehive wick" (the rle file contains the correct name).
|}

== Technically Correct, but Misleading ==

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! Section
! Pages
! Notes
|-
| 4.6.2
| 110
| The text says that the adjustable bi-block rake of Figure 4.52 can have its period increased by 32 by adding additional bi-blocks. It should be noted that its period can also be increased by 8 by moving the front pair of rakes forward by 2 generations.
|-
| 5.8
| 147
| The text says that a 17-glider RCT mechanism was found in September 2020. That's true enough, but now it should probably say instead that a 16-glider mechanism was found in April 2022.
|-
| 6.4
| 171
| The p34 oscillator discovered in July 2022 has an optional attachment that allows a bumper mechanism to [https://discord.com/channels/357922255553953794/370571014654001154/994182431441686578 work at the minimum possible period].
|}

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Nathaniel: Protected "LifeWiki:Tiki bar": Protected to prevent people from accidentally using it: use the new LifeWiki forum instead. ([Edit=Allow only administrators] (indefinite) [Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite))

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==Welcome to the Tiki bar==
Wikipedia has the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump Village pump], Wiktionary has the [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour Beer parlour], but the LifeWiki's lacked a central page for discussion so far other than [[User talk:Nathaniel]]. So I took the liberty to create the Tiki bar to facilitate discussion in a friendly and relaxed atmosphere. Welcome! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

==Archived discussions==
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* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2016]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2016.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2017]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2017.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2018]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2018.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2019]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2019.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2020]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2020.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2021]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2021.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2022]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2022.

== Redirects from misspelling ==

I fail to see why redirects from misspellings are prohibited. [[User:Atavoidirc|Atavoidirc]] ([[User talk:Atavoidirc|talk]]) 21:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

: I think there are too many possible ways to misspell something (just multiply the number of letters in the title by (number of letters in the alphabet - 1) and on top of that add misspellings that add/remove/exchange letters), so that it becomes unreasonable to make redirects for them. For another example, should "jrake" be redirected to [[rake]], or to [[krake]] (note that letters j and k are adjacent on a common keyboard layout), or maybe to a disambiguation page created specifically for the purpose of distinguishing possible misspellings? ''Some'' redirects for really common misspellings may be acceptable - but I think it is necessary to show explicitly that these misspellings are indeed common, and there are few such cases.
: In any case, I do not think it is helpful to quickly make dozens of redirects for misspellings - it clutters the logs of recent changes for editors, and it does not seem a noticeable improvement for readers. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
: (Added later) Although the following does not necessarily imply anything specific (I think the wiki should not promote an incorrect spelling, even if it becomes common), here are results of a quick forum search: "candelfobra" - 0 matches, "candlefobra" - 0 matches, "candelfrobra" - 16 matches, "[[candlefrobra]]" - 36 matches. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 12:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

:: Personally i think redirects from misspellings that are not just typos (e.g. Candelfobra) should be allowed. I've made this specific misspelling several times before, so i know at least one person who would benefit from it. [[User:Atavoidirc|Atavoidirc]] ([[User talk:Atavoidirc|talk]]) 11:25, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

::: My vote would definitely be to not add misspelling-redirects, and to remove any that have been added. We've already got lots of spelling and punctuation ''variants'' showing up in the [https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=Strict+still-life&to=&namespace=0 All Pages lists], and those lists will get extremely cluttered if we also add every possible misspelling of every article name -- or even every reasonable misspelling.

::: Of course there's a checkbox to hide redirects, but the problem I see is that current policy is fairly consistent about having redirects be valid variant spellings -- terms that people have actually used or might actually use.

::: So if we add things like "Suprise", we're kind of implying that "suprise" is a valid name that someone has used for something. People might click on it thinking, "what's that, a pun on 'sup' so it's some kind of eater?" and then mysteriously find no explanation of why "suprise" is listed. I'd much rather avoid that unlikely potential confusion, than avoid the unlikely potential confusion that someone can't find the [[Surprise]] article because they typed "suprise".

::: In other words, given that the lexicon of Life terms includes all kinds of things like "Catagolue" that '''look''' like misspellings but are actually completely purposeful and have meaning... there's useful information in the current collection of redirects, and it's not an improvement to add a random scattering of misspellings that are really just misspellings. People can perfectly well figure out how to spell "surprise" right, in the incredibly rare cases when they accidentally mistype it and don't get a LifeWiki article match. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 14:59, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

: (Replying here to a message left at [[Talk:T-tetsons]], since it is possible that that talk page will be deleted later:) I do not see why "T-tetsons" or "T-tetson" should mean something specific. There is a page [[Tumbling T-tetson]] on this wiki, and there is an entry "tumbling T-tetson" in Life Lexicon. There is a page [[Twirling T-tetsons 2]] on this wiki, and there is an entry "twirling T-tetsons II" in Life Lexicon. However, I cannot find "T-tetson" or "T-tetsons" ''by itself'' in Life Lexicon. On the forums, the only example I found which might be related is in the thread "Help with names" ([https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2333 link]) where there was an attempt to translate a set of words/terms into another language. I think that "T-tetsons" does not by itself mean anything at all, so I proposed the redirect for deletion. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

===2023===
This tiki bar discussion did not finish in 2022. I think it is incomplete (for one thing, it implicitly assumes that everyone knows what this is about). Before this discussion started, several redirects-from-misspellings [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?target=Atavoidirc&namespace=all&tagfilter=mw-new-redirect&start=&end=&limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions were created] in a short timespan, without any edit summaries or other explanation. Overall, this looks like trying to anticipate misspellings before these misspellings actually happen. I do not support making lots of redirects "just in case". But one added or removed redirect does not globally change anything. I think drawing the attention of everyone to redirects is unfortunate, because the wiki is about writing pages that describe or explain something -- redirects are a relatively minor feature, and ideally should "just work" without becoming the focus of a tiki bar discussion. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 11:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

== Proposed deletion of redirects from personal names to pages about a different subject ==

There is a number of redirects from names of people to pages that are not about the person ([[Alain Noels]], [[Christiaan Hartman]], [[Kees Kwekkeboom]], [[Roger Banks]], [[Steven Eker]], and likely more). I propose that such redirects be deleted.

I believe it is unacceptable to have an imprecise redirect from a personal name. That may incorrectly suggest that the person is known only for one specific contribution (the one mentioned on the target page of the redirect), and also does not provide any context before directing the reader to another subject.

I think either there should be a separate non-redirect page for a person, or (less preferable) a redirect to a category for discoveries made by the person, or there should be no page at all (i.e. no redirect to anything). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

:Good issue to raise. It would be good to have an explicit "policy" about such things. I think we also need a similar agreement about whether and when a person should be linked at all even if there is little likelihood of the link ever having a landing (I'm thinking mainly of well-aged red links). [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 23:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

:: In general, I like red links; they are a very simple lightweight way to tell other editors "This page is missing", and they interact nicely with other available tools. Speaking of pages '''about people''' specifically (and excluding all other LifeWiki topics), I'm inclined to agree that it's probably better to unlink long-missing pages about people. My reason is that such pages are harder to write, and the usual simple "process" of starting a short stub to be expanded later does not really work when writing about a person. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 05:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Redirects from names do suggest that the person is notable for a single contribution given overview on the page for said contribution; I see no reason to believe that in any current case is that suggestion incorrect. Nor do I see any current case where one of the first two options Confocal gives as being suitable: any personal page would only function as an elaborate soft redirect that gives no real improvement over the page it points to in giving context; and the current cases concern people who have only discovered patterns that do not have their own pages, or no patterns of note at all, thus leaving no viable pages to be put in the proposed categories. Indeed, for the latter redirects to content pages are not being made over redirects to categories, but only when no category can be created in the first place.

The question now becomes whether the redirects are worth keeping around at all or if they should be deleted. I don't think they should be deleted. The purpose of a redirect is to provide a listing on the wiki for a subject that is notable enough to need one, without creating an unexpandable stub page. Are they notable enough for the listings? I'd say they are. [[Alain Noels]], [[Christiaan Hartman]] and [[Kees Kwekkeboom]] are co-discoverers of multiple record-breaking examples of a significant mathematical concept in CA, and of course it's hard to overstate the importance of Golly and by extension [[Maks Verver]]. Any notable potential page subject can be reasonably expected to be looked up in the wiki, and any missing listing of a notable potential page subject is an opportunity for a reader to not find what they're looking for. Rewording may be necessary to accomodate linking to redirects whose target pages cannot optimally discuss their intended subjects and any redirects, but one way or another the redirects to content pages will have to stay redirects to content pages.

That being said, the page [[Alain Noels]], [[Christiaan Hartman]] and [[Kees Kwekkeboom]] redirect to does nothing to explain their contribution to the CA scene, not even mentioning them by name. The content they are associated with also appears quite far below the beginning of the section; readers may well assume they are included in the first et al. rather than the second, correct one. I propose that they instead redirect to [[Marijn Heule]], which does an effective job of explaining their contribution and providing a keyword [[Garden of Eden 6]] which readers can use to identify the correct entry of the table, in lieu of any of the options explored prior. [[User:Bubblegum|Bubblegum]] ([[User talk:Bubblegum|talk]]) 16:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

: I agree with Bubblegum's second paragraph and like the suggestion in the last paragraph. At the moment I'm not particularly in favor of deleting any of the name-to-topic redirects that I've looked at so far. This is kind of an old topic, by the way, getting revisited now that more people might be having a look at dealing with accumulated pending deletions -- so I think some of the names linked above are no longer problematic (e.g., [[Roger Banks]] and [[Steven Eker]]).

: For another example where I'd rather not delete: [[Maks Verver]] seems fine to redirect to [[Golly Gang]], just the way it's done now. The Golly Gang page lists Maks as a member in a nice clear way, so the redirect isn't a mystery... and that's pretty much the extent of what the community knows about Maks at the moment. I can maybe add "joined the Golly Gang in 2010, bringing Linux expertise and helping with build issues". If more is learned in the future, we can always create an article to hold it. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 17:02, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

== Usage of a non-default viewer theme ==

I added to several pages patterns that use <tt><nowiki>#C [[ THEME Book ]]</nowiki></tt> (this viewer theme is related to [[Conway's Game of Life: Mathematics and Construction|the book]]), as an attempt to understand how to improve presentation of patterns in pages. (For my edits adding this theme, see current versions of pages [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Lightweight_spaceship&oldid=116360 LWSS], [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Middleweight_spaceship&oldid=116358 MWSS], [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Heavyweight_spaceship&oldid=116373 HWSS], [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Blockic&oldid=116372 Blockic].) I chose this theme because I like how it displays "off" cells that were "on" differently from cells that were always "off", in the same way as in the patterns printed in the book.

The first (more specific) question here is: '''does <tt><nowiki>#C [[ THEME Book ]]</nowiki></tt> look fine in the LifeWiki?''' Is it a good idea to optionally use this LifeViewer theme, in those cases when it seems preferable to display history trail? Or it is better to stick with the default theme everywhere without exceptions?

I note that there was already [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Heavyweight_spaceship&diff=116368&oldid=116362 an objection] to one of my edits, on the grounds of consistency with the rest of the wiki. However, I think presentation of patterns across the wiki is currently already inconsistent in several distinct ways. For instance, sometimes static images are used - and that may be preferable in some cases but not others. Another example is that {{tl|EmbedViewer}} is used often but not everywhere - again, there may be good valid reasons for that. Hence a second, less specific question: '''how to improve presentation of patterns in the wiki?'''

Any feedback to the above? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

: Yes to theme Book (no pun intended). Good choice for the reasons and usage you state. [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 17:45, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

: I personally think that themes with history cells should be avoided on the wiki except in cases where the history cells provide a substantial benefit in understanding the pattern. With regard to the consistency issues mentioned above, many pages have static images because they were created before LifeViewer existed. Sometimes [[LV:viewer]] is used because {{tl|EmbedViewer}} adds an additional frame and caption that is not always desired. Neither of these represents inconsistency in how the wiki is currently updated. 
:~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 01:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

: Since [[42P38]] has seen some edits trying to work out a standard for galleries, I want to also leave a comment regarding the use of the book theme on that page. I think the book theme should be used with the LCM oscillators, as it shows that the sparks of the two oscillators interact. However, I don't think the book theme provides sufficiently useful information in the honeyfarm hassler viewer to justify its use. I prefer that we err on the side of not using the book theme as it, in my opinion, clutters the image. In fact, I think when the book theme is used we should mention that the viewer includes the pattern's [[envelope]]. ~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 07:13, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

:: I added mentions of the pattern envelope in the article, without changing visibility of envelopes. That p38 hassler is composed of interacting subpatterns, and (I think) it becomes easier to see "how it works", when the envelope is visible. (If the general agreement for that oscillator is that envelope does not provide substantial benefit, I will not object -- but it would be strange for me to remove it, given that I added it myself and I think it's useful.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 14:49, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

::: I think the animation, or the user running the pattern in the viewer themselves, is sufficient to show how the components interact in the honey farm hassler. In contrast, the LCM viewers are not animated and the interaction occurs rarely so understanding the exact interaction without history cells takes more time and effort by the user. The history cells work well for the LCM viewers. I still think they cause unnecessary clutter in the honey farm hassler viewer. I too will submit to the popular view if it disagrees with my own. If we care to find out what that is, we will probably need to ask on the forums or Discord. ~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 19:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

One of "use cases" where I was changing the theme is when history cells make it easier to see how ''a certain pattern is composed of smaller parts''. For oscillating patterns, currently available features of LifeViewer make it possible to show the reaction envelope, by auto-running the pattern for one complete cycle (with history cells enabled) and then auto-stopping. In [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=125635 p8 glider reflector], it seems to help to see how a p128 oscillator is made out of two 180° reflectors. I used the same technique in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=125316 p143 Bandersnatch loop] to show how catalysts are arranged relative to the reaction. There are other pages where I used "THEME Book + AUTOSTART + STOP" combination to show reaction envelopes. Would this be considered a valid use case? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 02:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Another common "use case" is when showing ''a complete glider synthesis of a pattern''. I think it becomes significantly easier to understand an animated synthesis (i.e. to see "how it works") if gliders leave traces behind them, and pauses are inserted in appropriate points. An example of this usage can be seen in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Amphisbaena&oldid=124776 Amphisbaena]. If anyone is interested, I think I can write a more detailed explaination for how I was formatting glider syntheses with the "Book" theme -- I'm trying to be reasonably consistent with syntheses. Thanks for any feedback. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 02:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

== Creating pages in the OCA namespace ==

<s>As we all know,</s> well maybe not, but that's not important, I have an incomplete OCA:LeapLife page, currently under my user namespace. I'm considering completing it and moving it to the OCA namespace soon, and I would like to 1. know if there's any objection to it. 2. Know what makes an OCA rule notable enough to have an entry in LifeWiki.

Additionally, it was once planned to create some subpages under OCA:LeapLife, to document the many patterns of LeapLife. 3. Is this acceptable, and will this cause any trouble to the LifeWiki? [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 08:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

: I support the idea. If in doubt about whether the page is well-written / well-formatted / up-to-date / etc., the template {{tl|stub}} can always be added on the top of the page, as a lightweight way to indicate that it may need expansion. Subpages are already used - see for example [[OCA:HighLife/Bomber]], [[OCA:Pedestrian Life/List of common objects]]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

::I am fine with the proposal in the description, but not with the proposal in the title — the OCA namespace is there for a reason, and if pages on specific OCA pages are moved to mainspace, it will cause confusion over what exists in CGOL itself and what doesn't. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 11:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

:::Apologies - fixed now. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 11:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

[[User:Ultimium/OCA:LeapLife]] is halfway now. Do anyone have suggestions? Especially what to say in the Oscillators section.

: Is the current version considered ready to be moved to the OCA namespace? I do not want to move it without making sure that main contributor(s) are okay with that. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 03:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

: If anyone thinks the page is good enough to be moved in its current state, move it. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 09:50, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

:: I just did a round of editing. I'm not yet moving the page right now -- will wait for others a few days. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 11:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

::: I see that you added a note about [[trans-very long fuse with two tails]] appearing naturally. I think in this case I would rather correct the inaccurate information in the article outright, instead of making the page self-contradictory; I've already done the appropriate edit now. Unrelatedly, I noticed that hotdogPi keep adding trivias (like the block corner catalysis) to the page. I don't think reverting someone else' contribution is polite, but I can think of quite a few things that are as noteworthy as the block catalysis, so maybe they shouldn't appear on an overview article of LeapLife. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 03:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

:::: Is it possible to expand that part into a section on catalyses and other reactions in LeapLife, based on what is currently known? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

::::: If someone is interested in doing so (without going into too much details), go for it. (And indeed there are a non-zero amount of catalysts in LeapLife, if not much.) I would hestitate to mention reactions that are essentially due to the B2n or S3-q, though. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 02:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Looks like there are a few to-be-done sections now. Since I don't know much of writing wiki pages, is anyone interested to help me? [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 01:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

: A problem that I encountered while making the methuselah list: Do we usually remove non-interacting cells for methuselahs from soup search? Especially when no one has done the minimalization at that time. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 02:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

===A modest proposal===

Any objections to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold boldly] moving the LeapLife page to the OCA namespace? This would make it beneficial to the wide public of people interested in LeapLife (and not just relatively few enthusiasts who already know where to look). Then further discussion of incompleteness/improvements can go directly on the talk page of the article. (And this Tiki bar section would gradually become inactive and go to archives.) Of course, one might say that the page is incomplete -- but then again, I doubt there are many "complete" articles on LifeWiki. In some sense everything here is a work-in-progress. Even seemingly "mission-critical" articles like [[Conway's Game of Life]] or {{rl|HighLife}} are incomplete, in the sense that I can imagine how those pages could be expanded further. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 03:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

: I would prefer to fill in all the "(TODO)"s first. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 04:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

: Additionally, I would like to hear other people's opinion on the content. There is currently a lack of discussion. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 04:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

:: Re "(TODO)"s: understood -- I just wanted to say that this discussion could potentially continue indefinitely long, because it's always possible to improve something. Re: lack of discussion: this is usual (and I think it's to be expected) for on-wiki discussions. There are often few (if any) quick responses. Partly this is because the community is small, and even fewer people have LifeWiki accounts. Partly this may be because the content of the article could just as well be discussed on its talk page over time -- Tiki bar is probably best reserved for "large-scale" questions that are relevant to multiple different pages, or the way the website functions, etc. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 04:30, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

::: Indeed; If you think it might be appropiate to move this discussion to [[User talk:Ultimium/OCA:LeapLife]] and/or continue the discussion about the page on [[User talk:Ultimium/OCA:LeapLife]], I would do so. The lack of discussion is not just applicable to this page; I think not many pages on LifeWiki took comparable effort to most articles on Wikipedia. That might be because the nature of LifeWiki, most articles are stubs and it is a stub because there are not much to write about it. But I definitely would like to see more well-written pages with people discussing. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 06:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)\

I would prefer to have someone else to move the page, but since no one is replying, I'm doing the next best thing: If no one objects or make major changes to the page, I'm moving it to the OCA namespace. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 05:20, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

: I went ahead and moved it, just to keep anyone else from agonizing over it further. I left a redirect for now, since there are some leftover links to it multiple places. (If you did move it yourself, then someone ''might'' complain about that, citing the "don't document your discoveries" guideline -- even though several other people did in fact significantly contribute to the LeapLife article. However, now a mere mention of "don't document your own stuff" will not suffice; any further objection would have to be an objection to my judgment call.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:01, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

==Regarding the censuses==
Many pages for stable objects, such as [[Octagon 2]], state their commonness with their rank among all objects in Achim Flammenkamp's census, then their rank among only oscillators in Catagolue. Is the reason for this that infinite-growth patterns are excluded in Achim's census, or that it's meant to be more representative of the dynamics of ash in an infinite non-sparse universe? Is this truly worth it having (at present) <tt>(159214128553422*162)/(1829196*20482)>5312</tt> times fewer initial random cells simulated and <tt>(159214128553422*162)/(1829196*20482*(-(1-0.375)*log2(1-0.375)-0.375*log2(0.375)))>5566</tt> times fewer bits of entropy?

Should this information, when only given in the form of a commonness rank (and sometimes also expected number of soups per occurrence), have an infobox section instead?

Also, speaking of which, what should be done with the pages for strict still lifes with the sections stating that all with sufficiently few cells (including them) are known to be constructible within a maximum number of gliders? These aren't useful, surely, to duplicate information so much, can we assume that people looking for this information (that is numerical and conducive to being presented in tabular form) will go to Catagolue instead? Especially those with apgcode-only titles, pages here aren't necessary for lookup by conventional name if they have none. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 13:51, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

: Re: infobox -- my preference would be to leave the commonness/occurrence information in plain text. The infoboxes are already long enough, so that they often conflict with sufficiently wide viewers not fitting to the left of the infobox, and it is sometimes necessary to reorder sections to avoid that conflict. As a consequence, I'd prefer not to make infoboxes even taller than they are. Stating what is known in the text also gives more flexibility. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 14:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
: Re: synthesis -- the glider synthesis sections of pages could contain information not only about the current cheapest synthesis cost, but also historical information about when the synthesis was found, and also about previously known / alternate syntheses. Here is an example: [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Krake&oldid=118147 Krake]. I'm slowly adding this kind of information to pages. I think this is useful and interesting to readers - instead of just the cheapest glider cost, show the syntheses themselves and tell when/how these were found. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 14:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

==Should LifeWiki be more like the chessprogramming wiki?==
It contains things like [https://www.chessprogramming.org/Algorithms an article on general algorithms] and others on things like bitwise operators (that don't pertain inherently to the nature of the problem it documents (playing chess as well as possible with finite resources), but are useful to human endeavours to solve it), should we have some (covering things that arise frequently enough in the study or implementation of cellular automata to be worth detailing with more specifics than Wikipedia) also?

Specifically, should there be pages here with contents of at least some of the sections of [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators]], in the instructive style of the other tutorial pages on how to set up and use various other software? Perhaps also one on writing simple row-based search programs that find oscillators and spaceships in equivalent multistate Wolfram rules for given widths in 2D ones. If we had one explaining the idea of [https://gist.github.com/DavidBuchanan314/acae2aab38953759aacc114b417ed0b9 David Buchanan's simulator] (not the specifics of the conversion to YUV4MPEG but the simulation, using it as a basis for teaching (being that Python is a simple language to read, though it has doubtless been thought of before)), and perhaps even some of the ideas in [https://gist.github.com/DroneBetter/4f5d775e7c37f062ce750d4a8fefc84a my fork], perhaps such a page could link to [https://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html the Stanford bit-twiddling hacks] page (which may be of a great deal of interest to the kinds of people who'd be interested in such articles), or even an intermediate page here? I could create such an explanation of Buchanan's and my programs in my user area, then see whether it's deemed sufficiently useful to be moved to the mainspace, if anyone would like. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 01:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

: There are some forum discussions that seem relevant to the idea of documenting various interesting technical details of algorithms e.g. [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1792 Searching algorithms], [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=22858#p22858 Re: 3c/7 othogonal and 2c/9 diagonal spaceships], [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=136037#p136037 Re: Beta Reader Thread for Game of Life Textbook] and others. I personally like the idea -- if someone understands something and can explain it in words, why not do that? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 04:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

:: I don't know enough about those to do so (though I hope to one day), however I have made [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/bitwise SWAR Life]] (covering my program up to the three different simulation modes and implementation of manifolds), being that I have some more time on my hands now I think I will make another regarding the application of the Pólya enumeration theorem to implementing efficient indexing methods for binary matrices under symmetry eventually (after finishing and optimising and cleaning my program for that), if it's okay

:: Since the user Magma from the ConwayLife lounge taught me about the Pólya enumeration theorem, I made my "[https://github.com/DroneBetter/ChessPieceVision/blob/main/eightfold%20reducer.py eightfold reducer]" its own program (much was made when I was relatively new to Python and the rest only as a proof-of-concept, I will eventually get around to cleaning it up (optimising and reducing some things) and adding the rest of the class methods), it was originally only an implementation of my idea for exhaustively generating single canonical representations of nonequivalent states under symmetry in square boards (more efficiently than iterating over all states and discarding those that are not their own lexicographically-minimal orientation), but that I realised could have efficient indexing methods using the theorem, and I more recently made a "[https://gist.github.com/DroneBetter/90318584a0ad6a0f4d1c418d3da132cd dimensional INT enumerator]," originally for confirming the number of 3D Moore transitions in [[Isotropic_non-totalistic_cellular_automaton#Table_of_isotropic_non-totalistic_rulespaces|the INT rulespace table]] and supporting arbitrarily many dimensions but then today modified for returning closed forms for numbers of nonequivalent binary hypercubes in terms of width using the theorem, given a number of dimensions (see the comment on the gist for a brief explanation). Being that the first one only pertains to cellular automata slightly (ie. the indexing methods are useful for parallelisation, initialising the threads at the beginnings of different slices of the search space (that would be able to proceed through with the even more efficient next() method)) and the second only extremely tenuously (and to a more theoretical area of the study of cellular automata), would it be okay for me to make articles about their ideas (and explaining their implementations' specifics (such that the pages contains within them both a set of instructions to implement the idea and documentation of a functionally complete demonstration), like I did in the bitwise SWAR Life page)? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 03:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

::: I have made [[Pólya enumeration theorem]] and [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/eightfold reducer]] now :-) [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 17:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

== Attempting to show huge patterns in infoboxes ==

What is the current consensus on attempting to show huge patterns in infoboxes (with the alternative being to display the pattern in a viewer inside the text)? I am not sure whether changes like [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Traffic_lights_extruder&diff=121113&oldid=103147 this] or [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Spiral_growth&diff=121106&oldid=100868 this] are improvements. It seems like infoboxes work better for small patterns. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
: And some bigger patterns end up looking like smudged fingerprints in the infobox. But I think we need the categorization that follows from infobox, as well as the standard presentation. Maybe do both presentations? And while we're at it, maybe agree on a max width for whatever is shown to the left of an infobox? [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 17:55, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

:: I think it would be much better to have some reasonable '''upper limit on the width of the infobox itself''', to leave enough space for the main part of the page. The automatic categorization could in principle be done in a completely invisible way without enforcing any particular layout/presentation (e.g. see {{tl|Glossary}}). I'm not convinced that all pages need to be indiscriminately converted to infobox-based layout - being able to explain/describe/show the pattern in some reasonably good way is more important than any "standard presentation". Sufficiently large patterns simply do not fit well in the infobox. Some patterns may be better shown as images or schemes, and/or by explaining/describing/showing smaller components. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

::OK, I see the issue and the benefit. Hiding the infobox in these cases would be good, if 1)the data in the hidden infobox still functioned as usual in terms of all the things it triggers; 2) the article displayed important infobox data in its text. How does one do #1? [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 23:57, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

: No significant updates so far, just adding links back to related forum posts for future reference: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=158434#p158434 p158434] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=158438#p158438 p158438]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 05:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

==Regarding programming language syntax colouring support in code blocks==
It would greatly benefit [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/bitwise SWAR Life]] and [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/eightfold reducer]] if we were to have this. Also, how do I prevent linebreaks followed by indentation (which appear often in my programming, as you may expect) causing code blocks to generate others nested inside them? Neither <nowiki><pre> nor <code></nowiki> seem to allow this. And is there a way to have inline monospaced text (ie. without line breaks) like the Python docs? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 17:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

: Addendum: The second question's answer is <nowiki><tt></nowiki>, I have since learned. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 00:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
: What about <nowiki><blockquote><pre>...</pre></blockquote></nowiki>? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:58, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

<blockquote><pre>
class Thingy:
pass

def example():
print("Hello World!")
</pre></blockquote>

==Regarding "known" information==
For instance, [[List of period-2 oscillators with 17 cells]] says there are 199 known such oscillators, implying that the explicit examples provide only a lower boun, however [https://oeis.org/A056614 A056614](17)=199 and Mark Niemiec had a section of a page, entitled [https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/p2.htm#p2-17 The 199 seventeen-bit period 2 oscillators], do these count as sufficient sources in and of themselves or should a program be provided to act as proof of the nonexistence of any more? As mentioned above, I cited my program for the confirmation of the disputed number of 3D INT transitions in [[Isotropic non-totalistic cellular automaton#Table_of_isotropic_non-totalistic_rulespaces|the table]], should this be the convention for proofs of other such values that are given in pages but currently imply that they're only accurate to as far as is known and not objective?

I don't think the OEIS would add values not known to be correct (assuming no bugs in implementations), being that they say "Thousands of people use the sequence database every day. Please take great care that the terms you send are absolutely correct. The standards are those of a mathematics reference work." as you edit a sequence, but [https://oeis.org/A231427 A231427] was amended with the discovery of the rattlesnake, so perhaps not too rigorous when it comes to Life matters. {{unsigned|DroneBetter|21:55, 3 January 2023‎}}

: Added the two references to pages [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_period-2_oscillators_with_17_cells&diff=126123&oldid=121447 for 17 cells] and [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_period-2_oscillators_with_18_cells&diff=126124&oldid=121464 for 18 cells] -- these links seem to be useful as ways of helping the curious reader to find more information. I think it is safe to leave "known" in -- a computer program may have bugs, a mathematical proof may have gaps, and so on. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 05:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

: Related to "known", see also [[LifeWiki talk:Did you know/78#Proof of "the only still life"?]]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

== Single column vs Two columns of EmbedViewer ==

What is the reason to restrict layout to stacking all {{tl|EmbedViewer}} in a single column like [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Jason%27s_p33&curid=2480&diff=126035&oldid=126034 in this edit]? That could made the page overly long with much whitespace around. Well, I am not suggesting possibilities for three or more columns — which would made the page too wide — I am just curious about the case of two columns. [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 14:42, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
:Actually, I prefer three, which is what I use on my userpages. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 15:04, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

: The question in the first sentence appears to be about the specific edit. As explained in the edit summary, it is a revert to a single column. The reverted edit is a previous edit made by someone else ([https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=126024&oldid=111614 diff=126024&oldid=111614]), changing the layout from single column to double column, with false edit summary stating "The last version still looks too wide for me". The edit summary is false, because the edit made the gallery more wide, not less. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
: More generally for the main/OCA namespaces, single-column galleries are preferable, because a two-column gallery already does not fit to the left of the infobox. For galleries in later sections of the page that can be reasonably assumed to appear strictly below the infobox on all devices, two columns could be used. Three columns are already too wide, even without the infobox. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

:: By "looks too wide for me" I meant individual viewers, not the sum of two. Is there a demonstration for a two-column gallery failed to fit to the left of infobox? [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 15:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

::: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=158624#p158624 [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Is there a potential way to make it change based on screen width? On my screen, 5 columns easily fit to the left of the infobox, and 1 column leaves a ridiculous amount of white space. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 07:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

: For static images only, the <tt><gallery>...</gallery></tt> tag should work ([https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Snake&oldid=127486#Extensibility example]). For embedded viewers, I'm not aware of any existing solution. See also a forum thread for all infobox-related issues/discussions: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5981 link]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

== Adding kinetic symmetry to infoboxes ==

Currently, pattern symmetries are tracked by an invisible template at the bottom of the pattern page which does nothing other than add a category. I don't like this, since it's in stark contrast to every other pattern statistic which is tracked in the pattern infobox. However, the current system is in place for basically every oscillator and spaceship with time symmetry, so moving things to the infobox would take a long time and require a lot of changes. I think it'd be worth it, however, since kinetic symmetry is currently only described in the currently rather obscure [[kinetic symmetry]] page. Having this in the infobox would direct more traffic to that page, increase the understanding of kinetic symmetry in the Life community, and also make the symmetries of patterns far more obvious and clear since people wouldn't have to sift through the twenty categories each pattern is in to find out what each pattern is classified as.

Any thoughts? - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 10:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
: It's doable. However, a script that does it automatically would also need to look at the bounding box, as the templates don't distinguish between odd and even symmetry. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 14:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
:: Would a script even be able to distinguish between a D2_+1 pattern that flips across the edges and vertices of cells (-f+e) and a D2_+2 pattern that flips through the faces and edges of cells (-e+e)? Both are orthogonally flipping oscillators which would have odd by even bounding boxes. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 14:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

: I like the idea to add specific kinetic symmetry to the infobox (and perhaps create corresponding categories for every possible value, so that objects with a given symmetry can be viewed). However, on the other hand the infoboxes are already quite tall, and significantly reduce the available width for the main content that is located in the beginning of the page. Given that there are several related-but-distinct issues with infoboxes (as evidenced by the Tiki bar), would it be possible to discuss infobox-related questions as part of a broader discussion of infoboxes (perhaps preferably on the forum rather than on the wiki, so that forum members without LifeWiki accounts could reply as well)? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

: A forum thread for infobox-related issues: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5981 link]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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Would there be any objections to me doing this manually over the coming weeks? - [[User:Muzik|Muzik]] ([[User talk:Muzik|talk]]) 22:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

=="Oscillators made of still lifes"==
I was perusing Catagolue (by means of my program), and found a D4_+1 oscillator comprised of still lifes, already named the {{LinkCatagolue|xp5_y025a404a52z6a40653x35604a6z65206acxca60256zy04a52025a4|patternname=half-tub harbour|style=raw}}, that also has rarer (single-occurrence) {{LinkCatagolue|xp5_y125a404a6z06a40653x35604a52z4a5206acxca60256zy2652025a4|patternname=C4_1|style=raw}} and {{LinkCatagolue|xp5_y125a404a6z25a40653x35604a6z065206acxca6025a4zy2652025a4|patternname=D4_x1|style=raw}} variants. There wasn't any result for "oscillator made of oscillators," only [[Constellation]] (which seems vaguely fitting but not very), should a page be created dedicated to oscillators that are separable into still lifes (that hassle each other) in at least one phase? Are there any other such cases to document? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
: Amendment: I didn't notice the much more common {{LinkCatagolue|xp5_y135a404a53z35a40653x35604a53zca5206acxca6025aczy1ca52025|patternname=D8_1 occurrence|style=raw}} (due ot it having lower volatility and not appearing in my sortings) — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DroneBetter|contribs]]) 23:40, 28 March 2023

Apologies if the following is a bit off-topic; one interesting kind of oscillators is those where several consecutive phases consist of nothing but [[Spaceship|gliders]] and stationary objects, in such a way that the oscillator permanently becomes a strictly-lower-period pattern if all the gliders are instantly removed from one of such phases. These oscillators look quite cool and may well deserve a dedicated collection. Here's a recently posted alien example: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=159731#p159731 post159731] ({{cata|object/xp33_033eky3g8oe6zzgoc84y3koz11y7133/b2ek3eikq4acejrw5ay6i7cs2-ek3acjry4ajrty5acjq6cn8|Catagolue}}). In Life, several examples are the [[p143 Bandersnatch loop]] (and its period-doubling stabilisation), {{cata|object/xp253_y52egoy233yk33y2oge2zy133y7488oy033y633y0o884y733zccyd111yi111ydcczyn6d9e6w6e9d6zzzzyn6b976w679b6z33yd88oyio88yd33zy1ccy0ggy12111y0ccy6ccy01112y1ggy0cczy54701y2ccykccy21074/b3s23|this p253}}, {{cata|object/xp160_y42egoy533z0oggzx23ye8sky3cczz66y3572yeo8zyr113zy8ooy531e8/b3s23|this p160}}, the (capped) [[period-563 glider gun]]. There should be more examples, even not counting adjustable glider shuttles. (And even more, if the requirements are relaxed to allow any oscillators with temporary internal well-separated gliders.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:36, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

: Another example is a p182 honey farm hassler ([https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=164783#p164783 forum post], {{cata|object/xp182_x32aczyzyagzyeccy133ydca2rp7ggb45zyz033waidwe9d453zyo4b6ygc871zgs26ygcq4zok4miewm9awoozk4q11sjr8a6ydooy166z01zyzy56a8o/b3s23|Catagolue}}). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

== Pauses in glider syntheses ==

Why do most glider synthesis LifeViewer embeds have pauses in them? I get it's to see important intermediates (although sometimes it pauses before the gliders even collide) but it's really awkward to watch.
 On a related note, why do they all have a copy of the final object on the right side? Seems redundant. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 09:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

: Some (not all) glider syntheses have pauses in them, because I decided to add pauses in them. I'm not aware of any previous conventions regarding of how exactly to represent glider syntheses on LifeWiki. The relatively long pause {{eq|T|20}} (before the gliders collide) in particular is so that it is visible where each glider comes from, and it is easier to see that the synthesis is [[rewind]]able. The reason behind adding a copy of the (stationary) final object is because [[Mark Niemiec's database|Mark Niemiec's glider synthesis database]] does this, and I did not really want to invent something entirely new from scratch, when there are existing tested ideas that can be reused in this context. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:22, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

:: How does the pause at T = 20 do anything that the pause at T = 0 doesn't? You don't need to invent anything new. Just show the synthesis. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 16:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

::: Please don't modify formatting in other replies. Especially [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=LifeWiki:Tiki_bar&diff=129705&oldid=129650 in this case], this makes it confusing and hard to view the reply by looking at the diff of the change. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 16:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

::: I'm intentionally inserting the pause {{eq|T|20}} before the gliders collide, so that it is visible where each glider comes from, and it is easier to see that the synthesis is [[rewind]]able. The pause at {{eq|T|0}} does not highlight rewindability. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 16:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

: If this can be useful for setting future guidelines, I think I could write a more detailed explaination for my particular choices when formatting syntheses. Earlier [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=LifeWiki:Tiki_bar&diff=125750&oldid=125749 I already asked] about that on Tiki bar, but got no response there so far. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

[[User:Confocal]], I'd like to bring this up again. You seem to be inserting pauses in syntheses because that's how you personally best see the things you personally look out for. That might work well for you, but you can't assume other people work the same way. I find the pauses very disorienting. (It would be nice to get the opinions of some other people here.) --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 09:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

: I'm trying to format syntheses in a consistent way. It is possible that there's a better presentation, but this question would be something that's best discussed once for all affected pages, rather than arguing about presentation for individual pages. Otherwise, any other possible formatting is subject to the exact same critique: without general guidelines, any possible formatting is "just some editor's opinion on what works best". There are lots of different possible ways how one could show a [[glider synthesis]] with a LifeViewer applet. To give some examples: (a) non-animated pattern; (b) looped animation without any pauses; (c) looped animation with pauses (several variations depending on where you add the pauses); (d) non-moving gliders that are animated for e.g. 20 ticks and then stopped with visible reaction envelope to highlight where each glider comes from. For the record, my own preferences can be seen in pages where I added syntheses. The pause at {{eq|T|0}} is so that the gliders don't immediately begin moving after appearing out of nowhere. The pause at {{eq|T|20}} is to give some time to look at the non-moving synthesis (with visible traces behind gliders). The final pause at the end is to give time to see the final constructed object before restarting animation. Other pauses are between intermediate steps for multi-step syntheses, or to show "interesting" intermediate unstable objects (e.g. symmetric phases). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd just like to interject that I find the pauses in patterns extremely annoying. The [[Silver reflector]] infobox pauses for two full seconds at each Herschel intermediate, which is sufficiently long to get frustrated. A half-second pause would be much better, or maybe a second at most, but a two-second pause is excessive. [[User:Calcyman|Calcyman]] ([[User talk:Calcyman|talk]]) 12:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

: For reflectors and conduits, I suggest to leave the infobox viewer non-animated. I think there is no obviously good way to animate a conduit (outside some larger pattern) that would not make the resulting animation non-intuitive or disorienting in some way to some significant subset of readers. One alternative is to show a pattern where the conduit accepts a continuous signal stream that comes from outside the frame, and the output signal(s) leave to somewhere else. That pattern will be different from the subject of the article, so it could be shown outside the infobox. For example I already did this in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Rectifier&curid=3262&diff=131516&oldid=131491 Rectifier] article. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

In case this Tiki bar discussion settles into some guidelines on how to format glider syntheses, then I believe it will be relatively easy to convert all existing glider syntheses to follow the new guidelines. Assuming I'll still be active here by that time, I may be able to do the conversion myself. (It'll be just boring and repetitive, but hopefully non-controversial by that time.) To keep consistency in those articles where I'm adding syntheses, before the end of discussion I'm going to use the same formatting as I used earlier. (Briefly: short pause at {{eq|T|0}}, longer pause at {{eq|T|20}} before collision, short pause at the end, repeat. For multi-step syntheses, also short pauses between steps.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 20:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

== Volatility rounding ==

Seems like volatility is rounded to two decimal places, and there are categories for each of those. But is it rounded up, down, or to nearest? This also applies to heat. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 16:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

== Autostart ==

[[User:Confocal]], you removed AUTOSTART in viewers on [[Raucci's p38]]. Why? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

: As [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Raucci%27s_p38&diff=130088&oldid=130085 explained in the edit summary], I disabled animation in Gallery/LCM sections on that page. The reason is the same as already [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Galoomba&diff=129697&oldid=129696 explained before] for another page: there are multiple viewers on the page, hence it seems better to not make all of them continuously running animation. In this case, I stopped all viewers in galleries and left "singular" viewers running, just because that was a simple solution. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

: I guess the "real question" is not this particular page, but rather when to animate and when to not animate. When there are many viewers on a single page, AUTOSTARTing them all makes the page slow. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

:: Does it actually make the page slow or are you just guessing? A few low-resolution 10fps animations shouldn't have a significant effect on performance. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 22:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::: Yes, each added animated viewer does actually make the page noticeably slower. Apart from that, animation draws attention which is another reason why too much animation is bad. Unrelated: please do not [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=131197&oldid=130169 "fix" markup] in my replies. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 22:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::: Using indents for replies is convention on Wikipedia, is there a different convention here? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::::: There are no hard-and-fast conventions here as far as I know, apart from the general convention to avoid editing replies by other people. LifeWiki is not Wikipedia, but for completeness here's the relevant quote from Wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TPO Wikipedia:TPO]): "It is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to copy edit others' posts. Doing so can be irritating. The basic rule, with exceptions outlined below, is to not edit or delete others' posts without their permission." [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::: From the same page: "'''Examples of appropriately editing others' comments''' [...] '''Fixing format errors''' that render material difficult to read. In this case, restrict the edits to formatting changes ''only'' and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include: fixing indentation levels, removing bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC), [...]" --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::: The basic point remains: don't edit other's replies without their permission. Wikipedia is a much bigger project (compared to LifeWiki), and it naturally has a larger set of detailed rules and exceptions. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::::: I'm not editing the replies though. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: I replied on your talk page: [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Galoomba&diff=131234&oldid=130833 link]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 21:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

:::: What exactly do you mean by "making the page slower"? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:07, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::::: I mean literally that the page becomes slower. A continuously running animation is a running computation and it slows down everything that runs. I think a few "small" animations or a couple "large" animations per page should suffice in most cases. Beyond that, either most or all viewers should remain non-animated (e.g. in large unstructured galleries, it seems reasonable to leave all viewers non-animated), or some content with viewers should be moved/split into a separate page where there are fewer viewers and so some of them can be animated. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::: What is there on the page, except the viewers themselves, that can become slower? The rest of the page is static. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::: I think I already answered the question above. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::::: You said "everything that runs". But the viewers are the only thing that's running. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 00:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: Only if you count things that are shown on the page itself, and do not count the browser itself and other running things in the system. And even then, my points above remain valid: (a) every added running animation slows down everything that runs (including every running animation), (b) every added running animation is an added distraction that draws attention to it and decreases helpfulness of other animations. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 01:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

== Inconsistent names ==

There are cases where a still life or family of still lifes has several different names and the wiki uses different ones on different pages. Examples include [[long snake]] vs [[python siamese snake]] and [[melusine]] vs [[long fuse with two tails]]. Should these be renamed? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 01:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

: For the first example above, see earlier discussion: [[Talk:Python siamese snake]] (I'm not repeating here to not make reply very long). Second example above is more interesting. Niemiec's Life Page ([https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/p1.htm p1.htm], [https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/lifesrch.htm lifesrch.htm]) gives names "11.16; Long fuse w/ two tails" for the 11-bit still life and "10.14; Fuse w/two tails" for the 10-bit still life. The current Catagolue names are "Long melusine" for the 11-bit still life ({{cata|object/xs11_17842sg/b3s23|xs11_17842sg}}) and "melusine" for the 10-bit still life ({{cata|object/xs10_ggka23z1/b3s23|xs10_ggka23z1}}). I'm not sure whether any page moves are needed, because there's no obvious benefit in using either of two names. I suggest move from [[Long fuse with two tails]] to [[Long melusine]], to prefer a shorter name that also matches the Catagolue name. I think such questions are hard to resolve "in general" -- there are different kinds of consistency. For individual pages, you can check edit history/move logs/talk pages to see previous relevant events, and check Niemiec's Life Page/Catagolue/forum search to see which names are used. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

== Still lifes vs still lives ==

[https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=131531&oldid=131388 This edit] finally motivated me to ask about this on Tiki bar. Which variant should be preferred on LifeWiki? Might be a simple issue, but it's nice to be able to link to an existing discussion from edit summaries/any future discussions. (Note that both variants are in common use: forum search for [https://conwaylife.com/forums/search.php?keywords=still+lives "still lives"], forum search for [https://conwaylife.com/forums/search.php?keywords=still+lifes "still lifes"].) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

: The [[Still life]] page says the plural is "still lifes". --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 08:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:: Yes, that footnote [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=116637&oldid=113961 was added] by someone a few months ago, but I don't know if it was previously discussed anywhere before being added. After all, "still lives" as a plural of "[[still life]]" easily can be a valid domain-specific usage, as opposed to "still lifes" as a plural of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_life the more popular still lifes]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 08:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

::: Yeah, that etymology feels a bit sus to me. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 08:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

==Regarding [[:Category:One-dimensional cellular automata|One-dimensional cellular automata]] and a potential article on generating functions==
I know there has been [https://conwaylife.com/wiki/LifeWiki:Tiki_bar/Archive/2020#Time_to_delete_Template:LinkWeisstein? the discussion of Template:LinkWeisstein's removal], which is regarding his [http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/life/ Life pages], but the different Wolfram Mathworld (originally known as ''Eric Weisstein's World of Mathematics'') has resources on many of the rules. We have [[Template:LinkMathworld]], should links to it be provided in [[OCA:Rule 22|Rule 22]], [[OCA:Rule 54|Rule 54]] and [[OCA:Rule 110|Rule 110]], and in their own column in the table in my [[One-dimensional cellular automaton/Wolfram rule|Wolfram rule]] page? Is there any reason (similar to that of LinkWeisstein's deletion) why they don't have links to it currently?

Also, we have [[Pólya enumeration theorem]]<ref group="1D">I was told a few months ago that someone in the ConwayLife Lounge noted this page, asking whether it ought to be deleted, however I have recently rewritten much of it (since I originally didn't know how to do inline monospacing or superscripts (which are somewhat relevant when involving nested exponentiation :-), instead having then used Python-like <tt>**</tt> syntax), I hope it is now acceptable.</ref> and [[Modular congruence]]<ref group="1D">I created this due to it being redlinked in several places by [[User:Confocal|Confocal]], before learning this to be because it was already the name of an appendix in ''[[Conway's Game of Life: Mathematics and Construction]]''.</ref>, however what would people say about a page regarding generating functions? I would like to mention (in a rewrite of [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/bitwise SWAR Life|bitwise SWAR Life]]) a fact of which I was informed, that a number with a binary representation comprised of <tt>n</tt> <tt>1</tt>-bits, at intervals <tt>m</tt> bits apart, is <tt>(2n*m-1)/(2m-1)</tt> (computable as <tt>⌊(1<<n*m)/((1<<m)-1)⌋</tt> for all intervals <tt>m>=2</tt>),<ref group="1D">This allows the bitmask generation to be done much more concisely than my previous method (where <tt>m=1<<l</tt>), <tt>reduce(lambda r,i: r|r<<(1<<i+l),range(n.bit_length()+l-1),1)&~(~0<<(n<<l|1)))</tt>, which ostensibly takes <tt>O(n*m)</tt> time (due to bitwise operators on length-<tt>n</tt> integers being <tt>O(n)</tt> and the convergence of <tt>∑_{n=0..∞}(2-n)</tt>) instead of <tt>O(n*m*log(n*m))</tt>, but in reality will probably always be slower in Python.</ref>, and it occurred to me that (though the Wolfram rule page currently only contains multivariate generating functions over <tt>x</tt> and <tt>y</tt>) the sequences encoding states from single cells as binary integers, which have closed forms in terms of linear combinations of powers (and thus generating functions) in more well-behaved rules (like Rule 28, where <tt>{{OEIS|A001045|tt=tt}}(n)=(2n-(-1)n)/3=(1<<n|n&1)//3</tt>), are based on a similar idea. There is also the modulo-<tt>2</tt> case noted in [[Pseudo-random number generator]], though I'm biased in favour of such an article (due to my love for the OEIS) and am not sure how tenuous the relationship with the wiki's purpose would otherwise be. Can I get anyone's blessing to put it in the mainspace, if I am to create it? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

: Certainly I may be wrong on this, but I think "the relationship with the wiki's purpose" hits it. If the subject of generating functions does appear in cellular-automata-related discussions, then yes, that can make it useful to have a page explaining it. (In fact, I redlinked [[Modular congruence]] for this reason -- this is an idea that commonly appears in CA-related discussions, to the point that it is discussed in the textbook, as mentioned above. So I think [[Modular congruence]] has its place in LifeWiki.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

===Notes===
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=="Cellular Automata FAQ"==
I happened upon [https://cafaq.com/] recently. It was created at about the time of [[comp.theory.cell-automata]], as it seems, and is quite in-depth (and contains some answers from notable people like [[Harold McIntosh]] (now deceased)), but isn't linked to anywhere on the LifeWiki. It seems to be unmaintained now, but says (in the main directory) that "a text version of the FAQ" was intended. Being that we have had our project to preserve LifeLine (and convert it to use nicely-formatted diagrams), is it notable enough that a copy of it should be added here also? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

: I support the idea to preserve "Cellular Automata FAQ" somehow, if that's feasible -- how painful it is going to be? Maybe this could be a way to initialise the [[LifeWiki:FAQ]] idea with existing content. E.g. I had the page [https://web.archive.org/web/19990224055744/http://alife.santafe.edu/alife/topics/cas/threads/natural/0007.html threads/natural/0007.html] bookmarked, which discusses possible rule formats, such as counting alive corners separately from alive edges when determining the new state of the central cell (so there would be 2{{sup|50}} possible rule definitions -- from 0 to 4 alive corners, from 0 to 4 alive edges, and the central cell either alive or dead). I know this particular idea did surface several times in discussions, so it is notable -- but I don't think it is documented anywhere on LifeWiki. IIRC there was an existing abbreviation specifically for this type of rule definition (around 7 or 8 letters), but I don't remember what it was. (Added later:) I think the abbreviation is [https://web.archive.org/web/20150422212505/http://www.collidoscope.com/modernca/words.html CWCFSMNCA]. Forum posts: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=75323#p75323 p75323], [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=129786#p129786 p129786]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:48, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

: Linking [[Cellular Automata FAQ/Archive]] created by [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]], which is relevant but was not mentioned. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

==Moving large patterns out of infoboxes==
As one can currently see in the recent changes, Confocal has moved the LifeViewer embeds out of infoboxes in
:*[[deep cell]],
:*[[p5760 unit Life cell‎]],
*[[twin prime calculator‎]],
:*[[tlog(t) growth|<tt>t*log(t)</tt> growth]],
:*[[tlog(log(t)) growth|<tt>t*log(log(t))</tt> growth]],
*[[Star gate]],
*[[period-40 glider gun‎]],
:*p61 Herschel loops [[p61 Herschel loop 1‎|1]] and [[p61 Herschel loop 2|2]],
:*p59 Herschel loops [[p59 Herschel loop 1|1]] and [[p59 Herschel loop 2|2]],
:*[[p57 Herschel loop 1‎]],
*[[barbershop]], and
*[[breeder 1]],
should they not have asked here before doing so? I liked them more the way they were, why does Confocal make edits with such arbitrary purposes? What is the benefit? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 15:31, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::I believe it's because a viewer outside the infobox can have a greater width and height. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 15:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

:: See https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=160959#p160959 for the previous discussion of infoboxes (and [[#Attempting to show huge patterns in infoboxes]] for an earlier Tiki bar discussion). The main intent is to make viewers larger, and surround them with article text, without making the infobox wider. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

== Suggested deprecation of EmbedViewerRule ==

: (Previous discussions: [[Template talk:Rule]], [[Talk:Conway's Game of Life#Random soup]])

I propose to phase out/deprecate the random soup animations that are shown on rule pages (such as [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=134386 Conway's Game of Life]). Behind the scenes, those random soup animations are implemented via {{tl|EmbedViewerRule}} template. Current issues include: &bullet; The idea behind the template is flawed. Trying to illustrate an arbitrary rule by evolving a random (or "randomly-looking") soup does not do justice to the rule. For many rules, it does not make sense. Even when it does, a better illustration would be a specific pattern chosen by a human. &bullet; When the reader clicks on the infobox viewer (intentionally or accidentally), the viewer expands directly on the page. This breaks the widely followed convention "when the infobox pattern is clicked, show the pattern in a new window". I tried, and could not find a way to fix this issue (see [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=164483#p164483 post164483])). Clicking on an infobox viewer should display a pop-up window (an example can be seen by clicking the infobox viewer in [[Glider]]). &bullet; The initial soup takes only a small fraction of the available display area, and cells are very small. Maybe a randomly filled torus with larger cells would look better (this would not solve the other mentioned issues, though). In general, I suggest to use some non-random pattern chosen by a human being to illustrate how the rule works (either shown as a separate viewer outside the infobox, or shown in the infobox via alternate functionality yet to be implemented). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 11:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

: Update (see [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=165674#p165674 post165674], [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?curid=20932&diff=135804&oldid=121084 change]) Second issue should now be resolved, e.g. clicking the infobox viewer on the [[Conway's Game of Life]] page should show a popup window. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:17, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:: A popup window now appears on any rule page without even clicking. I don't think this should be happening. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 13:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

::: Oops -- that was supposed to be fixed. I reverted the change in template for now. Does the same happen on the test page [[User:Confocal/Test3]]? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:53, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:::: Yes, it still does on the test page. It's been removed from the normal pages, though. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 14:07, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

::::: Are you on LifeViewer build 1035 or later? You may need to hard refresh your browser. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 08:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::: 1033. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 14:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hopefully everyone's browsers are already hard refreshed. If [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?curid=20932&diff=136309&oldid=135818 this change] happens to causes problems, it might be better to disable the animation by default. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

For the current discussion, see replies starting from [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=166785#p166786 this page] and later replies in the same forum thread. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 01:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

== Alternatives to hassler pages ==
:Related discussion: [[Talk:Honey farm hasslers]], [[Talk:Butterfly hasslers]].

What are possible alternatives to grouping oscillators by the hassled sequence? One possibility is to create a single wiki page for each "medium" period, and group oscillators further by sections. (For low periods, [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AHoney_farm_hasslers&type=revision&diff=130927&oldid=130916 it was already mentioned] that there would be probably too many oscillators to list them all.) One of the issues with the existing grouping in {{tl|HasslerList}} is that oscillators of a specific period appear on multiple different pages. Another issue is that when the reaction switches between two or more common sequences, the same oscillator appears on two or more different pages (e.g. [[84P199]] is both an R hassler and a LoM hassler). Another issue is that "hassler" [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6081 is not sufficiently well-defined]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 02:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

: Why would the "same oscillator appearing on multiple pages because the reaction switches between sequences" thing be an issue? It's not like we're finding one of such type every day. [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:20 August 2023 (UTC)

: I support the idea of having a page for each period. It also seems more useful - usually when you're looking for oscillators (say to use in a larger pattern) you'll probably be looking for oscillators of specific periods. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 22:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

:: This seems like it would be better accomplished with a simple stamp collection like [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=165345#p165345 this one]. I don't see a need to include such collections on the wiki. ~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 09:41, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

::: One stamp collection for every period could indeed be more convenient, if that is believed to be a viable alternative. (I think one stamp collection for all periods is way too big.) One advantage of wiki pages is that patterns can be shown directly, without expecting that readers use Golly or other software to view the RLEs. Another potential advantage of wiki pages is that associated information (discovery info, related links) could be gradually added by multiple people. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:52, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

== Mass conversion of RLEs in EmbedViewers into headerless form ==

(Previous discussion: [[User talk:C28#Conversion of RLEs into headerless RLEs in EmbedViewer transclusions]])

I think [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Octomino_II_hasslers&curid=28392&diff=135187&oldid=134859 these] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Blonk-tie_hasslers&diff=135138&oldid=134884 edits] are not an improvement. I suggest to revert back to the multiline form. The headerless form makes a very long line, does not match the "copy and paste from Golly" form, and does not work for alien rules (you need header for alien rules). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 16:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

: Nah. The fact that the headerless lines end up in a long line of text is not a bad thing since the RLE's still function as they should. The point about the patterns only working in alien rules being negatively affected by the changes is somewhat moot since the patterns affected by the conversion to headerless RLEs were patterns that worked in B3/S23 (which is the rule that Lifeviewer seems to default to). [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:03 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:: The point is that consistency is negatively affected by these changes -- it will not work in all cases. I think the preferred form of a RLE should be the result of direct copy and paste from Golly. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::: Consistency is not exactly a thing when it comes to a wiki. i've seen so many different forms of a citation, paragraph writing, order of sections and more. [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:16 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:::: Some kinds of useful consistency are possible / practical. This discussion is specifically about RLEs in EmbedViewer transclusions. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::::: If it works, it works. Anything beyond that wouldn't be of much concern. [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:29 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::: By that logic, wouldn't it be better to leave the RLEs in the multi-line form? They did already work, so the current bulk conversion into single-line form was not necessary (and perhaps increased the amount of stored data on the server, and cluttered the [[Special:RecentChanges|log of recent changes]]). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::: It's sort of a double-edged sword. The only reason i'm converting the RLEs into a single-line form is to reduce the size of the page. Sure that would "clutter" the changelogs, but any sort of edits (expanding, updating information, removing useless/redundant sentences, etc.) would too. [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:48 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::::: That's kind of why it's better to discuss "large scale" changes (that affect multiple wiki pages) before implementing them. Something like fixing obvious typos in articles won't be controversial in most cases -- unless e.g. the intent is to preserve typos that were present in an original. Something like converting every RLE to single-line form is more likely to be controversial. I don't remember previous discussions of this issue. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: Well what exactly constitutes "large scale"? [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 18:23 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::: Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. That said, there are some cases when multiple pages are affected but the change is very unlikely to be controversial/mistaken, and there are other cases when only a few pages are going to be affected but it's still better to discuss before changing. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

== Sides of torus. ==

Will it be better if people can see the sides of torus in the wiki? [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 08:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

: I don't know what is meant by the sides of torus. I assume the question is related to [[Lightspeed bubble]]. Personally, I like the [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=135355 new version]; the animation shows the object in question moving through the background agar. In comparison, the [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=70272 previous version] was not animated (and running it would show how the bubble eventually reaches the edge of the finite patch and everything is destroyed). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 08:35, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

::I mean will it be be better if people can see the grey box. [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 10:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
::Also, do you think it is a good idea to make a collection of lightspeed bubbles in [[lightspeed bubble]]?[[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 10:45, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

::: Re: the grey box, it seems simpler to configure a viewer with visible "grey box" cells, because this way the width/height/zoom do not need to be adjusted precisely to make sure "grey box" cells are all outside but the actual pattern still completely fits inside. [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=139405 Here] is a test page with several viewers where the 'grey box' cells are visible. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

==MediaWiki math extension==
:''See also the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math Extension:Math] page in the MediaWiki wiki''
There was [[User_talk:Nathaniel/Archive_1#Math_formulae|a talk]] between [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel Johnston]] and [[User:Elithrion|Elithrion]] regarding the prospect of adding LaTeX support, which Nathaniel said was out of scope while it remained on its shared Windows host. It has been 5288 days (≈14.48 years) since then, would it now be feasible to do? I have a few somewhat formula-heavy pages that would look nicer if converted, namely [[Pólya enumeration theorem]] and the [[User:DroneBetter/miscellaneous_curiosities|miscellaneous curiosities]] page in my userspace. I have created [[Template:sum|<tt><nowiki>{{sum}}</nowiki></tt>]], [[Template:product|<tt><nowiki>{{product}}</nowiki></tt>]], [[Template:lim|<tt><nowiki>{{lim}}</nowiki></tt>]] and [[Template:frac|<tt><nowiki>{{frac}}</nowiki></tt>]] to make do with pure HTML (as can be seen in [[Big-Θ notation]]), but it would be nice to have things like brackets that change size to enclose fractions correctly, if you would, please. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

== Backward rake ==

Is it a good idea to make a redirect page named Backward rake and redirect it to [[backrake]]? ( A lot of people use it in the forums: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=Backward+rake]) [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

:Go ahead. You generally don't need permission unless you're creating a whole bunch of redirects at once. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 17:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 19:25, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

== Red links ==

Should I create links to pages that has not been made yet? [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 06:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

: If you know about [[LifeWiki:Notability|notable topics]] that are currently missing from LifeWiki, feel free to create red links to the missing pages about such topics (so that other editors know the page is missing). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 09:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

== Alien pattern pages ==

(For previous discussion see [[Template talk:Spaceship]], [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2020#LifeViewer and RLE on OCA subpages]]) Yet another infobox-related question. Are infoboxes needed on pages about alien patterns in the OCA namespace? My opinion is that it is better to use {{tl|EmbedViewer}}/{{tl|gallery item}} to show any patterns and add describing captions; unlike infoboxes, this also allows to put the RLE of a small pattern directly into the code of the article. The current infobox infrastructure assumes that it is used in CGoL context; I think it would be better to create a separate infrastructure (if needed at all), instead of complicating legacy template code. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:25, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

: The point of templates is that the same code can be used in multiple places and modified all at once. Making a separate template for OCA infoboxes kinda goes against that. Where does the infobox assume CGoL? Fields that aren't relevant for OCA (e.g. glider synthesis) can just be omitted. And please stop instantly reverting other people's contributions. At least discuss first and/or provide an equivalent implementation if you think it would be better. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 17:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Your modifications to infobox templates are undiscussed large-scale changes, that's why I reverted them. It is up to you to convince others that these changes are useful, preferably by discussing before changing. Making a separate template allows to get rid of any irrelevant fields, and/or add fields that don't make much sense for CGoL. The idea to use separate set of templates for alien patterns was already suggested in 2020: [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2020#LifeViewer and RLE on OCA subpages]]. That was neither rejected nor implemented. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::: The changes aren't exactly large-scale. There are only about a dozen pages for alien patterns on the wiki, and the changes don't affect any other page. (And I did not even change a single non-template page before you reverted my edits.) This is also a very hypocritical statement for someone who frequently makes undiscussed changes to hundreds of pages at once, many of which are way more commonly used than the OCA ones. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::: As the person who basically decided in the past that OCA pages don't get infoboxes, such as when I created the HighLife p7 and p10 pages: it was for technical reasons. I would have preferred them to exist. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 18:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::: Categories [[:Category:Alien patterns]] and [[:Category:Alien spaceships]] contain more pages, e.g. [[OCA:HighLife/Bomber]]. I think infoboxes are redundant for this class of pages -- {{tl|EmbedViewer}} is simpler to add, it allows to add explanatory captions, multiple variants of a pattern, etc. without needing to fill a whole set of parameters at once. For short pages, galleries look more reasonable than an infobox that is longer than the main page content. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:28, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::: A lot of CGoL pattern pages have infoboxes longer than the main page. Also, you can have both an infobox and EmbedViewers - as most pages do, of course. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:36, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::: Well, my opinion is that a lot of CGoL pattern pages don't really need infoboxes. However, infoboxes on CGoL pattern pages are already taken for granted. This Tiki bar discussion is about pages about alien patterns, and in this case there is a choice between (a)committing to the same legacy infrastructure (which will complicate templates further -- you'll need to mark non-CGoL patterns clearly, avoid irrelevant fields, add new fields, etc.), (b) creating a new solution for alien pattern pages, that is simpler to implement (because of being specific to the context) and works better in this context. My preference is (b), with galleries ({{tl|gallery item}}) already usable as an existing solution. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::: OCA patterns aren't fundamentally different from CGoL patterns. Like I've already said, you don't need to fill in irrelevant fields. And what new fields exactly would need to be added? OCA are more general than CGoL, not more specific. And again, your opinion is only your opinion, and if most people disagree with you, you don't get to stop them. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:59, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: Alien pattern pages on LifeWiki are a more specific context, because the majority of pages on LifeWiki are (and will be) about patterns/ideas related to Conway's Game of Life. At the very least, you will have to add a field to indicate that the pattern is not in Life (and change the display somehow accordingly, so that readers don't get confused about which patterns are in Life and which are alien). You will likely have to add a field to specify the rule. Then there are already several fields about rules (rulemin/rulemax/rulespecial), and questions about whether it makes sense to have them all. (See also Tiki bar discussions and archives.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::: Readers won't get confused because the page is in the OCA namespace, that seems clear enough to me. Rule fields already exist, so I'm not sure what the problem is. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 19:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::: The problem is that [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASpaceship&type=revision&diff=136497&oldid=131029 changes like this] make existing templates (which are already fairly complicated to understand and maintain) even more complicated and harder to understand and maintain. Perhaps one could say "if you break it, you own it", except that doesn't seem to work here. There are already galleries, which are more flexible than infoboxes, can be formatted in a relatively simple way, and do not require to fill a whole bunch of parameters. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::: That is not relevant to any of the message you're replying to. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 19:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::::: That is relevant to the question of whether to reuse/extend existing infobox structure (with whatever comes with it), or to use a simpler/lightweight alternative that is easier to maintain. [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Spaceship&curid=23&diff=136550&oldid=136508 You claim in edit summaries] that "The changes have now been discussed, and more people agree with them than not.". I consider that misleading, since this Tiki bar discussion started only a few hours ago. I do not believe the changes to the templates were sufficiently discussed (or even well-understood) before pushing them forward. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::::: Why not use the same templates? I don't understand what you mean by "extend", are you saying that OCA patterns have traits that CGoL patterns don't that would need to be accounted for? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 15:06, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::::::: One such "trait" is the rule itself (as [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PatternIdentifiers&oldid=136573 you mentioned yourself] elsewhere). The existing infrastructure assumes b3s23 by default (e.g. links to Catagolue object pages); the workaround is to append the rulestring to the apgcode so that the correct Catagolue object page is linked. (This would make "apgcode" imprecise as a description of the link -- it would be more precise to write e.g. "Catagolue object page" to describe that infobox field.) Now, what about multistate rules, hexagonal rules, rules on aperiodic tilings, etc.? My point here is that "in general" there are few commonalities between rules that could be put into an infobox. Also, the infobox pattern does not have an associated caption the way {{tl|EmbedViewer}} does, leading to awkward expressions in the text like "... shown in the infobox" (which assume understanding of what an infobox is). I believe a free-form plain-text explanation of the rule, with embedded viewers/galleries (with explanatory captions), should be preferred to infoboxes. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::: > One such "trait" is the rule itself (as [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PatternIdentifiers&oldid=136573 you mentioned yourself] elsewhere). Yeah, that should be sorted out, but it shouldn't be hard.> Now, what about multistate rules, hexagonal rules, rules on aperiodic tilings, etc.? I don't see the problem with those; sure, some fields don't make sense with some rules, but they can be omitted. And it's not like any patterns in those rules currently have pages.> Also, the infobox pattern does not have an associated caption the way {{tl|EmbedViewer}} does, leading to awkward expressions in the text like "... shown in the infobox" (which assume understanding of what an infobox is). This is not specific to OCA.> I believe a free-form plain-text explanation of the rule, with embedded viewers/galleries (with explanatory captions), should be preferred to infoboxes. We're talking about pages for specific patterns, not rules. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::: Re: "We're talking about pages for specific patterns, not rules." -- correct; I meant patterns. Even though this is not specific to patterns (as opposed to rules) or alien topics (as opposed to CGoL topics), this applies here as well. Before committing to the whole idea of having infoboxes in the OCA namespace, it makes sense to consider more lightweight/maintainable/flexible alternatives. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

To respond to a detail from [[Template_talk:Spaceship]]: confocaloid mentioned that
The RLE namespace nontrivially interacts with downloadable LifeWiki pattern collection.
This is definitely true, but possibly not as big a problem as it might be -- depending on what our eventual goals are for '''oca.zip''', the automatically-generated alien pattern collection.

At the moment, the downloadable pattern collections '''all.zip''' and '''oca.zip''' do ''not'' grow automatically whenever anyone makes an addition to the RLE namespace. They grow only when one of the LifeWiki moderators uses additional permissions granted by Nathaniel, to go to a separate upload page and upload patterns to be added to the downloadable collection.

The upload page used to require choosing patterns for upload one at a time (!) but that was recently adjusted to be up to 100 patterns at a time, which is much less painful. Still, currently the only system that prepares standard-format patterns for upload is the [https://github.com/dvgrn/b3s23life/tree/main/conwaylife-scrapers/lifewiki-rlescraper auto-upload script], which I'm currently running once a month to keep everything reasonably synchronized. That script currently only looks at references to pnames inside main-namespace pages, so for the most part it will only ever find new Conway's Life patterns that have been added to the RLE namespace -- nothing from other rules.

At this point it seems like an open question whether the LifeWiki will be able to successfully expand its coverage to include lots of patterns from other rules. As of today there are only 73 patterns in oca.zip, which is barely a drop in the OCeAn.

If there's some level of confidence that there will eventually be a lot of OCA patterns being added as separate articles, and that we'll be needing a more automated way to collect them -- then it might be good to have something like a separate OCARLE namespace, and set up an automated collection system for that namespace.

However, at the moment, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of pressure to document dozens or hundreds of notable named individual OCA patterns -- we seem to be talking about a fairly small set. I'm not sure if I have the correct impression about that, but if I do, then enabling infoboxes for those exceptional cases might be a reasonable option for the time being. Separately, we could add any of those patterns to the oca.zip collection that are not in there already -- since that currently has to be a separate manual step in any case. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 22:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

: To repeat my thoughts from the above argument with Galoomba: I believe that embedded viewers and galleries ({{tl|EmbedViewer}} / {{tl|gallery item}}) provide a more flexible/lightweight/maintainable alternative to infoboxes. I don't believe infoboxes are needed or useful on OCA pages about alien patterns. (Even though infoboxes are used and "taken for granted" in the main article namespace for CGoL patterns, it does not follow that infoboxes should be used in the OCA namespace as well. My preference would be to remove [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=136569&oldid=131208 the] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=136554&oldid=136517 infoboxes] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=136568&oldid=124472 added] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=136572&oldid=124474 recently], and revert associated recent changes to the infobox templates. These changes are made without seeking consensus first, and I do not consider them to be improvements.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 21:14, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Related discussion: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5981#p166560 [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 10:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

:: I'm not sure if I'm going to count as "someone else who does not have a strong preference one way or another" -- this was the wording from the edit summary from the latest set of reverts. I do think that infoboxes are sometimes kind of annoying. Infoboxes cause difficulties when a name applies not to a single pattern but to a class of related patterns, and there's no particular reason to pick one of those patterns over another (except maybe according to some "smallest" criterion, and that's almost worse because then the parameters in the infobox might end up having to be changed every time a new record is set.)

:: On the other hand, when names apply unambiguously to specific patterns, I think infoboxes are a fairly nice way to present them. After reviewing the pro and con arguments, I'm not seeing why OCA patterns shouldn't occasionally have infoboxes. The four cases that were reverted seem like good examples of unambiguous names where it would be okay to have an infobox. Given that consensus had been sought after an initial revert, I'm not at all clear why the second round of reverts happened.

:: It's true that consensus did not in fact appear, but on the other hand it doesn't seem as if any support for the original revert was expressed either. Doing another revert with the same justification as the first one, in the face of opposition from multiple people and in the absence of any support, seems like an action that's unnecessarily slipping down the slope toward an edit war. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 17:01, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

::: Regarding recent changes, my proposal is to continue to avoid infoboxes on pattern pages in the OCA namespace. Infoboxes were not previously used on those pages, and there is no evidence that infoboxes are needed or useful for this class of pages. Giving the same information in plain text with embedded viewers/images will always be more flexible/lightweight than filling an infobox. Unlike an infobox, plain text will work for any CA rules and for any unusual/weird patterns. "Occasionally" would be problematic, because then it would be unclear when to add an infobox and when to not add it. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 03:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to redo the changes as [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=166680#p166711 this post by dvgrn] makes it pretty clear that there is sufficient consensus. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 21:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

: Disagree -- the linked post does not say that there is consensus. Until now, only a few people responded. Further, the above reply makes it pretty clear that consensus did not in fact appear. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 21:22, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:: My wording was bad - dvgrn's post explains how the existing consensus is sufficient, one person disagreeing does not mean there isn't a consensus. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 21:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

::: There is no existing consensus on this issue. One person actively trying to push the same changes to infobox-related templates does not mean there is a consensus. Maybe give time to let other people respond as well, rather than (making this an argument between two active editors) and/or (trying to push your preferred changes as if there was already understanding and clear consensus for them)? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 21:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

::::There is a existing consensus on this issue. 4-1 (me, dvgrn, galoomba, MEisSCAMMER) against you. One person actively trying to push the same changes to infobox-related templates... is you, and you're in the minority. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 22:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

::::: Neither "3-1" nor "4-1" would be a consensus to make changes from the existing state, given that there was not enough time to discuss these changes, and there was not much opportunity (the discussion places are filled by an argument between few active editors, giving little opportunity for others to respond and explain their opinions). https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=166737#p166737 [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 22:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::: > given that there was not enough time to discuss these changes How much exactly is "enough time"?> (the discussion places are filled by an argument between few active editors, giving little opportunity for others to respond and explain their opinions) This seems like a non-sequitur to me. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

== Back into the Future of the ''rulespecial'' parameter ==

There was Tiki bar discussion ([[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2021#Future of the rulespecial parameter|link]]) where it was proposed to get rid of the "rulespecial" parameter in infoboxes. From looking at that discussions, it appears that there was consensus, but the proposed changes were not actually implemented. (I also support removal of this parameter. Any information about "special" rules should be accompanied by an explanation of why these rules are considered "special", which would go in the main part of the article, and cannot really be packed into the infobox.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
: I agree with its removal. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 13:24, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
: Makes sense, it's not objective info like the rest of the infobox. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 14:59, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I'm sure it made sense at the time, but I'd love to get rid of ''rulespecial''. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 23:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I just removed the "rulespecial" parameter in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template:PatternDownload&curid=92&diff=137051&oldid=130062 two] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=LifeWiki:Pattern_pages&curid=883&diff=137052&oldid=98750 edits]. Pages where the parameter is specified are automatically placed in {{CategoryLink|Pages needing cleanup|style=inline}}. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
: That is over 1400 pages (minus however many pages are in there for unrelated reasons). It makes sense to remove it iff we can automate it. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 08:56, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: To clarify: the infobox parameter functionality is already removed, and "rulespecial" will not be visible for readers. The values that were specified in the markup are ignored now. Even though it is not strictly necessary to remove them from the source code of the pages, this can be made gradually, in combination along with other (more substantial) edits. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:07, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
::: Yeah, that's what I meant. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 10:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

== LifeViewer speed ==

Why is the LifeViewer <tt>GPS</tt> parameter not working? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

: For LifeViewer issues, you might want to ask in https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622 or https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4742 threads. I'm adding two test viewers in a subsection below. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

=== Test patterns ===
{{gallery top}}
{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = tetradecathlon
|viewerconfig = #C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 ZOOM 8 GPS 4 AUTOSTART ]]
|position = center
|caption = GPS 4
|style = width:300px;
}}}}
{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = tetradecathlon
|viewerconfig = #C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 ZOOM 8 GPS 10 AUTOSTART ]]
|position = center
|caption = GPS 10
|style = width:300px;
}}}}
{{gallery bottom}}
:: It's fixed in build 1059. Hard refresh your browser to ensure you have it. [[User:Rowett|Chris Rowett]] ([[User talk:Rowett|talk]]) 23:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

== Background grid for tracked moving objects ==

Can anyone confirm the distracting visual effect when background grid is visible and TRACK/TRACKLOOP is on? Perhaps tracking would work better with GRID OFF? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

: I do see an effect, but I'm not sure if i'd describe it as "distracting". I don't really care either way, so maybe having the grid off could be better if it's significant to you. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 19:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Obviously the question is not what is significant to either of LifeWiki editors here, but rather what affects reader's experience. If the effect is visible on other devices as well, then probably grid should be disabled for tracked patterns. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

: Also, this only makes sense for low zoom levels. When the pattern is small, or the viewer is large, the grid is definitely better. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 21:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

=== Example patterns ===
{{gallery top}}
{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = bomber
|viewerconfig = #C [[ AUTOSTART GPS 8 TRACKLOOP 48 1/6 1/6 ]]
|position = center
|caption = The bomber (taken from [[OCA:HighLife]])
|apgcode = xq48_07z8ca7zy1e531/b36s23
}}}}
{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = bomber
|viewerconfig = #C [[ AUTOSTART GPS 8 TRACKLOOP 48 1/6 1/6 GRID OFF ]]
|position = center
|caption = GRID OFF
|apgcode = xq48_07z8ca7zy1e531/b36s23
}}}}
{{gallery bottom}}
For this example I prefer the grid on. [[User:Rowett|Chris Rowett]] ([[User talk:Rowett|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
::Another alternative is to show the cell borders:
::{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = bomber
|viewerconfig = #C [[ AUTOSTART GPS 8 TRACKLOOP 48 1/6 1/6 GRID OFF CELLBORDERS ]]
|position = center
|caption = CELL BORDERS
|apgcode = xq48_07z8ca7zy1e531/b36s23
}}}}
::[[User:Rowett|Chris Rowett]] ([[User talk:Rowett|talk]]) 20:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

== {{tl|gallery top}} and {{tl|gallery bottom}} ==

These currently do nothing. Is there a reason to keep using them? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 13:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

: See [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=166813#p166813 this forum post]. It is possible that the underlying formatting will change in future, so that either of {{tl|gallery top}} / {{tl|gallery bottom}} / {{tl|gallery item}} will have to be changed. The intent is to simplify update if/when formatting has to be updated later. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

: Unrelated: the broken autogenerated section link in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=137243&oldid=137240 this edit summary] is one reason to avoid links/markup in section headings. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:41, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

==[[OCA:logarithmic replicator rule|"logarithmic" replicator rule]] and prospect of "[[OCA:rule 225]]" page==
As I noted in [[OCA talk:Logarithmic replicator rule#Incorrectness of name|my comment on the talk page]], in AforAmpere's rule (equivalent to the "logarithmic" replicator rule), there are the limiting bounds on the bit-length in the <tt>t</tt>th iteration <tt>2 < {{frac|l(t)|{{sqrt|t}}}} < {{frac|2*{{sqrt|5}}|{{sqrt|3}}}}</tt>. Perhaps I was too fast to move it (and use <tt>Θ</tt> notation unnecessarily), but should it be renamed to the "sqrt replicator rule" and note the erroneous name in common use?

It seems [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] named it incorrectly in his creation of the article as a redirect, since David Eppstein made no such claims.

Also note, the single-cell initial state Wolfram rule <tt>225</tt> (that inverts itself and thereafter follows the evolution of a pair of cells in rule <tt>120</tt>) also has <tt>Θ({{sqrt|t}})</tt> growth and admits a complete description (finding the state of a given cell at a given iteration) in terms of a finite number of logical and arithmetic operations (if one is allowed to use a function that returns a number whose output's base-<tt>4</tt> representation is its input's base-<tt>2</tt> representation), and is the first member of a series of rules with integers <tt>{{sum|k{{=}}2n+1|2n+1-1|2k}}+1 = (22n-1)2</tt> (emulating those with integers <tt>{{sum|k{{=}}2n-1|2n+1-2|2k}} = {{choose|22n|2}}</tt>) providing <tt>Θ({{sqrt|t|n}})</tt> growth in width-<tt>n+1</tt> neighbourhoods (which may likewise have cells' states at given positions in space and time found in terms of a function whose base-<tt>2n</tt> output is its base-base-<tt>2</tt> input). Should a page be created for rule 225 (noting these generalisations) also?

: Re: {{rl|Logarithmic replicator rule}}: I think two natural possibilities are either to leave the current name (because the existing name is in common use), or alternatively move the page to {{rl|B36/S245}} (because it is always correct to refer to a Life-like rule using its rulestring in the standard semitotalistic notation, and it is convenient when there is no single commonly-agreed name). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 12:39, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

::I prefer the rulestring, but keep the redirect from logarithmic replicator rule because it's in use. AwesoMan3000 had a tendency to make up names. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 12:47, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

: (To clarify, I prefer to leave the existing name. If we move the page to the rulestring, then ''other'' people who have a tendency to make up names will want to move it again to some other newly coined name, which will not be nearly as common.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:01, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea why recent issues like this appear to be pinned uniquely to me over the past year - it doesn't take much searching at all to find out that the rule B36/S245 was first named "logarithmic replicator rule" on the [[Gun]] page, in a mid-2009 addition by Adam P. Goucher himself: https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Gun&diff=next&oldid=9711

Refrain from automatically blaming anything you disagree with on my actions. The triangular neighbourhoods incident from months ago was irritating enough, singling me out for introducing an allegedly useless neighbourhood while neither paying attention to the exact context it was suggested under (instead calling it a "mindless suggestion") nor noticing that the "triangular outer" neighbourhood, introduced by Chris himself without me suggesting it (possibly after looking at [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=965&p=7049#p7049 this 2012 thread] which was included the Tripod neighbourhood), suffers from the exact same problem as the "radiation" neighbourhood everyone was complaining about.

I understand I'm not the most liked member in this community, but I'm noticing a pattern that things people don't like appear to be instinctively attributed to myself and would very much like this to stop as soon as it can. [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 16:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

: In addition to a "+1" to the above reply by AwesoMan3000, here are some places on the forum where 'logarithmic replicator' and/or 'logarithmic replicator rule' is used by various people: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=78463#p78463 post78463] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=102490#p102490 post102490] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=126381#p126381 post126381] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=129591#p129591 post129591] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=130676#p130676 post130676] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=136832#p136832 post136832] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=151358#p151358 post151358]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

: (Added later) I [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=138471&oldid=137924 added] a "proposed move" template transclusion for the rulestring suggestion. [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=137871&oldid=137865 As I already said], I prefer to keep the name {{rl|Logarithmic replicator rule}}, because it is how the rule is commonly referred to (forum, Catagolue and most likely elsewhere). A rulestring would work as well, but then certain people will complain that the rule is "unnamed" and will want to invent a completely new name and put it on LifeWiki ([https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=OCA:Logarithmic_replicator_rule&action=history this already happens]). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 04:15, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:: After [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=OCA:Logarithmic_replicator_rule&action=history yet another attempt] to move to an invented name, I [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=139082&oldid=139075 removed] proposed move. Obviously there is no consensus for the proposed move to rulestring-based pagename, and there are no alternative names in sufficiently common use either. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:Confocal, please can you stop moving it back every time it is moved, and [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=OCA%3ALogarithmic_replicator_rule&type=revision&diff=139168&oldid=139165 changing the contents to incorrect ones]? It makes no sense for the page to say "the namesake logarithmic replicator" in the infobox, when the section after that is entitled [[OCA:Logarithmic replicator rule#Growth bounds|#Growth bounds]] and includes asymptotic bounds on the ratio between the height and the square-root of the generation.
:I sent a mail to dvgrn (on galoomba's recommendation) regarding this on 2023-10-06, to which he replied on 2023-10-07. In the interest of transparency, I will include it here.
::Sorry for the slow reply.
::I guess I'd say that confocaloid has been causing some persistent problems that moderators have had to deal with on the LifeWiki, and I've been slowly working on figuring out what to do about that.
::As it happens, now is not a workable time for me in particular to make any executive decisions about arguments involving confocaloid -- just because I'm right in the middle of a complicated negotiation right now with confocaloid on another topic. Rendering an "impartial judgment" on another case wouldn't be taken very well.
::I might be able to pick it up again in a month or two. If another solution doesn't present itself in the meantime and you really want a resolution quicker than that, I'd suggest sending this request to one of the other moderators, Sokwe or Ian07 -- though it's true that neither of them have been particularly active just recently, so I certainly can't guarantee any particular results. We're all just volunteers around here.
:Note that [[User:Haycat2009|Haycat2009]] also became frustrated with this in [[User talk:Confocal#Adding false information and trying to retain it.|your userpage]].
:When past statements once widely regarded as facts are held to examination and found to be incorrect, past nomenclature ought not to be conserved for the sake of historical consistency, for in [[LifeWiki:LifeWiki is not Wikipedia#How LifeWiki is like Wikipedia|How LifeWiki ''is'' like Wikipedia]], it refers to the Wikipedia policy to {{LinkWikipedia|Wikipedia:Be_bold|name=be bold|nobullet=no|nosuffix=no}}. Please desist in your ways, they are becoming very slightly marginally annoying. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Quoting from [[LifeWiki:Notability]]: "To prevent overenthusiastic edits and conflicts of interest, a commonly accepted rule is that the discoverer of a pattern, inventor of new terminology, writer of a program, etc., etc., should not be the one to document that pattern, term, or program on the LifeWiki." I think your repeated attempts to rename the {{rl|Logarithmic replicator rule}} go against that. They are obviously overenthusiastic, and neither of the proposed new names is commonly used by people in conversations. The existing name might fail to be perfect, but it is the existing name actually used by people in conversations. Names do not have to be completely logical. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 22:20, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

== Future of the ''spartan'' parameter ==
Does the infobox parameter "spartan" in {{tl|conduit}} still make sense? There are only two possible values (<nowiki>spartan = yes</nowiki> or <nowiki>spartan = no</nowiki>), as if this was some objective choice out of two possibilities. Yet the page [[Spartan]] clearly acknowledges that there are several different meanings of the word. E.g. would it help to add a third possibility "neo-Spartan"? Would it help to clarify which definition is intended? Or maybe it is better to discard the parameter? Or any other possibility? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
: Yup, I've been thinking about the same thing in light of some recent edits -- e.g., the change from Bx222 being non-Spartan (in the original sense) to now being Spartan (in the new "neo-Spartan" sense).
: It's not causing any really huge problems the way it is, but that parameter definitely isn't conveying information anywhere near as clearly as the original binary yes/no did, back when "yes" meant you could use it in self-constructing circuitry, and "no" meant you couldn't.
: Maybe at some point it could be converted to a three-option parameter -- "Spartan", "neo-Spartan", or "non-Spartan"? -- with the parameter name changing to "Constructibility" or some such. (?) [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 00:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:: I think that the best option is to keep the parameter but put it such that there are 3 options: No, Yes and Neo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Haycat2009|Haycat2009]] ([[User talk:Haycat2009|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Haycat2009|contribs]]) 07:25, 6 October 2023
::: This seems like a fine option to me. Discarding the parameter entirely, as confocaloid suggests, also seems like a fine option -- it's not terribly useful information to have in the infobox. Anyone who understands the subtleties of the differences between "Yes", "No" and "Neo" will also be able to instantly recognize which category a conduit falls into, by glancing at the LifeViewer image. Anyone who doesn't understand the subtleties might not get much out of the value in that parameter anyway.
::: However, having the parameter there might make newcomers curiouso about what "Spartan" means. As long as there are people willing to keep the parameter up to date across all of the conduit articles, either option definitely does seem perfectly workable. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 16:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

:::: To be able to keep the parameter up to date in a consistent way, one would need to choose and fix a "LifeWiki-official" meaning. Right now, I don't think the parameter is added consistently across the wiki. I think popularizing the idea of [[Spartan]]ness could be done in the main text of articles. To me it seems to be too complicated to be covered by an infobox line. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 04:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

== Template:StillLifeComponent ==

Should [[Template:StillLifeComponent]] have a 'family' parameter?
(Because most induction coils are extendable.) [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 14:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

== How do I create a subpage? ==

Hey. I want to make a subpage of my user page containing my (alternate) names for several patterns. How do I do it? [[User:HerscheltheHerschel|HerscheltheHerschel]] ([[User talk:HerscheltheHerschel|talk]]) 12:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
: [[User:HerscheltheHerschel/Example_subpage_name]] [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 12:58, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
:: Just create that page. [[User:Unname4798|Unname4798]] ([[User talk:Unname4798|talk]]) 17:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
::: Writing "Just create that page" and then [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=139409 creating it yourself] in someone else's userspace is inconsistent at best. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
:::: Oops, I done it accidentally. [[User:Unname4798|Unname4798]] ([[User talk:Unname4798|talk]]) 18:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

== Wiki discussions location ==
As discussed in [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5696 this thread], there is now a [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=16 LifeWiki Discussion forum]. Discussions about wiki stuff should now happen there instead of the Tiki Bar. If people end up hating that forum, we can talk about moving things back to the Tiki Bar, but let's give the LifeWiki Discussion forum a go for now. [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 22:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

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User talk:Nathaniel

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Nathaniel:

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* [[User talk:Nathaniel/Archive 1]]

== P26 glider shuttle ==

Hello, Nathaniel, please add the following pattern file to [[p26 glider shuttle]]. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] 22:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
<pre>
#N P26 glider shuttle
#O Matthias Merzenich
#C The smallest known period 26 oscillator in terms of population
#C as of August 2014, discovered in April 2013.
#C www.conwaylife.com/wiki/P26_glider_shuttle
x = 53, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
19b2o$19bobo$22bo2b2o$20b2obo2bo$19bobob2o$20bo4$22b2o$21bo2bo$21bobo$
21bobo$16b2o4bo$15bobo18bo$15bo20b3o$14b2o23bo$38b2o$19bobo$19b2o12b2o
13bo2b2o$20bo11b2o13bobo2bo$34bo5b3o5b2obo$39bo3bo6bo$40b2obo4b2o$42bo
5bo$50bo$2b2o45b2o$2bo$4bo5bo$3b2o4bob2o$2bo6bo3bo$bob2o5b3o5bo$o2bobo
13b2o11bo$2o2bo13b2o12b2o$31bobo$13b2o$13bo23b2o$14b3o20bo$16bo18bobo$
30bo4b2o$29bobo$29bobo$28bo2bo$29b2o4$32bo$28b2obobo$26bo2bob2o$26b2o
2bo$31bobo$32b2o!
</pre>

== Honey thieves ==

Hello, Nathaniel, please add the following pattern file to [[honey thieves]]. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] 20:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
<pre>
#N 36P17.1
#O Matthias Merzenich
#C The smallest known period 17 oscillator in terms of population
#C as of September 2014.
#C www.conwaylife.com/wiki/36P17.1
x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo9b2o$2bobo8bo$11bobo$11b2o$5b2o$5b2ob2o$8b2o$2b2o$bobo$bo8bo
bo$2o9bobo$13bo$13b2o!
</pre>

Here is also a glider synthesis of this oscillator, found by Mark Niemiec
<pre>
#C 17-glider synthesis of Matthias Merzenich's P17 Honey Thieves
#C 23-glider synthesis of pseudo-period 34 Honey Thieves
#C w/test-tube baby (line 1 shown; lines 2-3 same as Honey Thieves)
x = 135, y = 84, rule = B3/S23
40boo38boo38boo$41bo39bo39bo$oo39bobo37bobo37bobo$boo39boo38boo38boo$o
3boo$4bobo$4bo79bo$84bobo$80bo3boo$81boo39boo$80boo39bobo$121bo$120boo
16$84bobo$85boo$oo38boo38boo3bo10bo23boo$bo39bo39bo7bo5bo25bo$bobo37bo
bo37bobo5bobo3b3o23bobo9boo$bboo6bo31boo38boo5boo31boo9bo$9bo121bobo$
9b3o34bo39bo4boo33bo4boo$45bobo37bobo3bobo31bobo$6b3o36bobo37bobo3bo
33bobo$6bo39bo39bo39bo$bboo3bo34boo38boo38boo$bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo$b
o39bo39bo39bo$oo38boo38boo38boo18$oo38boo38boo21bo16boo$bo39bo39bo19b
oo18bo$bobo9boo26bobo9boo26bobo9boo7boo17bobo9boo$bboo9bo28boo9bo28boo
9bo28bobo8bo$11bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo$6bo4boo33bo4boo33bo4boo38boo$5bo
bo37bobo37bobo37boo$5bobo37bobo37bobo37booboo$6bo39bo39bo41boo$bboo38b
oo38boo38boo$bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo$bo39bo39bo39bo8bobo$oo38boo20boo
16boo20boo16boo9bobo$22bobo36bobbo36bobbo28bo$22boo37bobbo36bobbo28boo
$23bo38boo38boo$$23boo$23bobo55boo$23bo58boo14boo10b3o$81bo15boo11bo$
85b3o11bo11bo$87bo$86bo!
</pre>

== Period-59 glider gun ==

Hi, Nathaniel, please add the following pattern for the [[period-59 glider gun]] article. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]])
<pre>
#N Snark-assisted period-59 glider gun
#O Dave Greene
#C A true-period 59 glider gun, discovered in August 2013.
#C http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Period-59_glider_gun
x = 405, y = 355, rule = B3/S23
255b2o3b2o$255b2o2bob3o$259bo4bo$255b4ob2o2bo$255bo2bobobob2o$258bobob
obo$259b2obobo$263bo2$249b2o$250bo7b2o$250bobo5b2o$251b2o2$258bo$258b
2o$257bobo3$261b2o$261bo10bo$262b3o8bo$264bo6b3o7$243b2o$242bobo$244bo
2$252b2o3b2o$250b3obo2b2o$249bo4bo31bo$249bo2b2ob4o28b2o13bo$248b2obob
obo2bo27b2o12b3o$249bobobobo43bo$249bobob2o45bo$250bo45bo3bo2$263b2o
29bo4bo7b2ob2o$254b2o7bo30bo2b3o8bob2o$228b2o24b2o5bobo36b2o6bo$229b2o
30b2o32b2o3bo2bo2b3o$228bo66bo2bo2bob3o3b2o$295bo2bobo2b6o2bo$291b2o3b
3ob2o6bob2o$290bobo3b4o5b3o2bo$245bo44bo6bobo4bo5bo$243b2o12b3o29b2o5b
3o6b5o$244b2o5b2o4bo39b2o8bo$252bo5bo$249b3o19bo$249bo2b3o14b5o$250bo
3bo13bo5bo$247b3o4bobo12b3o2bo$247bo7b2o15bob2o$213b3o53b4o2bo$215bo
48b2o3bo3b2o$214bo49b2o4b3o$272bo$272bob2o$255bo15b2ob2o7bobo$229bo25b
2o26b2o$229bobo22bobo27bo$229b2o32b2o$263bo$264b3o$266bo3$199bo$199b2o
58bo$198bobo58b3o$262bo$261b2o$269bo$240b2o26bo$214bobo22bobo11b2o13b
3o$214b2o25bo11bo$215bo34b2obo$121bo128bo2b3o4b2o$121b3o127b2o3bo3b2o$
124bo128b4o$75b2o3b2o21b2o3b2o13b2o128bo15b2o$75b2o2bob3o19b2o2bob3o
142b3o12bobo$79bo4bo22bo4bo13b2o56b2o71bo13bo6bo$75b4ob2o2bo18b4ob2o2b
o13bobo54bobo66b5o14b2o3b3o$75bo2bobobob2o17bo2bobobob2o12bo58bo65bo
23bo$78bobobobo21bobobobo137bo2b2o20b2o$79b2obobo22b2obobo136bob2obo
12bo$83bo27bo131b2o4bo18b2o$200bo24b2o14bo2bo2b2ob4o13b2o14b2ob2o$69b
2o8bo17b2o100bo26b2o13b2obobobobo2bo30bob2o$70bo7b3o17bo8bo91b3o23bo
18bobobobo33bo$70bobo4b5o16bobo5b3o135bobob2o26b2o4b3o$71b2o3bo5bo16b
2o4b5o135bo30b2o3bo3b2o$75b2o2bo2b2o20b2o3b2o170b4o2bo$74b3obobob3o18b
3o3b3o146b2o7b2o15bob2o$75b2o2bo2b2o14bo5b2o3b2o138b2o7bo7bobo12b3o2bo
$76bo19b3o6b5o139b2o5bobo7bo13bo5bo$77bo17bo10b3o32b2o26b2o85b2o7b2o
14b5o$96bo10b3o30b2o28b2o111bo$81b2o9bo3bo12b2o31bo26bo58bo13bo$81bo9b
o17bo118b3o10bo16bo10bo$82b3o5bo5bo13b3o17b2o48b2o16bo32bo9b3o14b3o8bo
bo$58b2o24bo4bo3bo3bo14bo17b2o48b2o14b3o31b2o29bo7b2o$59bo29bo2bobo2bo
88bo8bo14b3o47b2o86b2o3b2o$57bo10b2o19bo3bo3bo86b2o9b2o15bo33b2o100b2o
2bob3o$57b5o5bobo6b2o7b2o3bo5bo28bo59b2o24bo10b2o23bo8bo95bo4bo$62bo6b
o6bo7bobo4bo3bo27bobo15bo28bo19bo31bo21b3o8b2o91b4ob2o2bo$59b2obo2bo8b
obo7bo7b3o29b2o14b2o28b2o17b2o28b2obo5bo15bo10bobo90bo2bobobob2o$58bo
15b2o7b2o31b2o21bo2bo26bo2bo15bo2bo27bo2b2o4b2o121bobobobo$58b2o3bo3b
2o48bo21b2o30b2o15b2o30b2o2bob2ob2o121b2obobo$56b2o7bo31bo19bobo10b3o
7bo4b2o18b2o4bo7b3o7bo4b2o26b2o46b2o84bo$46b2o7bo2bob2ob3o27b2obobo19b
2o23b2o2bo16bo2b2o23b2o2bo25bobo13b2o23b2o5bobo$46bobo5bobobo33bobobob
o30bo3bo7bo5b2o14b2o5bo7bo3bo7bo5b2o25bobo12bobo22b2o7bo69b2o$48bo4bo
2bobo30bo2bobobobob2o4bo7b2o13bo3bo10bobobo14bobobo10bo3bo10bobobo28bo
5bo7bo6bo24b2o69bo7b2o$44b4ob2o2bobo2b2o29b4ob2o2bo2bo4b3o5b2o25b2obob
ob2o12b2obobob2o19b2obobob2o22b5o7b2o5b2o3b3o95bobo5b2o$44bo2bobobobob
2o36bo4b2o9bo20b3o14b2o14b2o14b3o14b2o22bo11b2o10bo14bo84b2o$47bobobob
o34bob2obo14b2o109bo2b2o20b2o12bobob2o$48b2obobo12b2o20b2o2bo109b2o14b
ob2obo34bobobobo86bo$52bo14bo10b2o11bo22b2o14b3o14b2o14b2o14b3o20bo9b
2o4bo36b2obobobobo2bo83b2o$64b3o3b2o5b2o7b5o22b2obobob2o19b2obobob2o
12b2obobob2o25b2o5b3o4bo2bo2b2ob4o29b2o2bobo2b2ob4o82bobo$38b2o24bo6bo
7bo5bo28bobobo10bo3bo10bobobo14bobobo10bo3bo13b2o7bo4b2obobobobo2bo30b
obo2bo4bo$39bo7b2o22bobo12bobo25b2o5bo7bo3bo7bo5b2o14b2o5bo7bo3bo30bob
obobo33bobobo5bobo$39bobo5b2o23b2o13bobo25bo2b2o23b2o2bo16bo2b2o23b2o
19bobob2o27b3ob2obo2bo7b2o88b2o$40b2o46b2o26b2o4bo7b3o7bo4b2o18b2o4bo
7b3o10bobo19bo31bo7b2o98bo10bo$81b2ob2obo2b2o30b2o15b2o30b2o21bo48b2o
3bo3b2o101b3o8bo$82b2o4b2o2bo27bo2bo15bo2bo26bo2bo21b2o31b2o7b2o15bo
103bo6b3o$54bobo10bo15bo5bob2o28b2o17b2o28b2o14b2o29b3o7bo7bobo8bo2bob
2o$55b2o8b3o21bo31bo19bo28bo15bobo27bo3bo4bobo7bo6bo6bo$55bo8bo23b2o
10bo24b2o59bo28bo5bo3b2o7b2o6bobo5b5o$64b2o33bo15b2o9b2o86bo3bo3bo19b
2o10bo$50b2o47b3o14bo8bo88bo2bobo2bo29bo$41b2o7bo29b2o31b3o14b2o48b2o
17bo14bo3bo3bo4bo24b2o$40bobo8b3o14b3o9bo32bo16b2o28b2o18b2o17b3o13bo
5bo5b3o106b2o$42bo10bo16bo10b3o76bobo39bo17bo9bo104bobo$69bo13bo58bo
17bo8bo31b2o12bo3bo9b2o106bo$28bo111b2o28b2o30b3o10bo$26b5o14b2o7b2o
85b2o26b2o32b3o10bo17bo110b2o3b2o$25bo5bo13bo7bobo5b2o139b5o6b3o19bo
107b3obo2b2o$25bo2b3o12bobo7bo7b2o138b2o3b2o5bo14b2o2bo2b2o105bo4bo31b
o$24b2obo15b2o7b2o146b3o3b3o18b3obobob3o104bo2b2ob4o28b2o13bo$24bo2b4o
170b2o3b2o20b2o2bo2b2o104b2obobobo2bo27b2o12b3o$25b2o3bo3b2o30bo135b5o
4b2o16bo5bo3b2o101bobobobo43bo$27b3o4b2o26b2obobo135b3o5bobo16b5o4bobo
100bobob2o45bo$27bo33bobobobo18bo23b3o91bo8bo17b3o7bo101bo45bo3bo$24b
2obo30bo2bobobobob2o13b2o26bo100b2o17bo8b2o$24b2ob2o14b2o13b4ob2o2bo2b
o14b2o24bo244b2o29bo4bo7b2ob2o$42b2o18bo4b2o131bo27bo118b2o7bo30bo2b3o
8bob2o$44bo12bob2obo112b2o22bobob2o22bobob2o88b2o24b2o5bobo36b2o6bo$
35b2o20b2o2bo112b2o23bobobobo21bobobobo88b2o30b2o32b2o3bo2bo2b3o$36bo
23bo65bo49bo8bo12b2obobobo2bo17b2obobobo2bo84bo66bo2bo2bob3o3b2o$33b3o
3b2o14b5o66bobo54bobo13bo2b2ob4o18bo2b2ob4o151bo2bobo2b6o2bo$33bo6bo
13bo71b2o56b2o13bo4bo22bo4bo151b2o3b3ob2o6bob2o$40bobo12b3o142b3obo2b
2o19b3obo2b2o146bobo3b4o5b3o2bo$41b2o15bo143b2o3b2o21b2o3b2o101bo44bo
6bobo4bo5bo$55b4o277b2o12b3o29b2o5b3o6b5o$50b2o3bo3b2o276b2o5b2o4bo39b
2o8bo$50b2o4b3o2bo283bo5bo$58bob2o34bo245b3o19bo$58bo11bo25b2o244bo2b
3o14b5o$41b3o13b2o11bobo22bobo245bo3bo13bo5bo$43bo26b2o268b3o4bobo12b
3o2bo$42bo297bo7b2o15bob2o$49b2o138b3o114b3o53b4o2bo$49bo139bo118bo48b
2o3bo3b2o$50b3o58bobo76bo7bobo106bo49b2o4b3o$52bo58b2o86b2o164bo$112bo
86bo165bob2o$348bo15b2ob2o7bobo$322bo25b2o26b2o$45bo276bobo22bobo27bo$
45b3o274b2o32b2o$48bo307bo$47b2o32b2o274b3o$27bo27bobo22bobo276bo$27b
2o26b2o25bo$26bobo7b2ob2o15bo$36b2obo165bo86bo$39bo164b2o86b2o58bo$39b
3o4b2o49bo106bobo7bo76bobo58b3o$37b2o3bo3b2o48bo118bo139bo$36bo2b4o53b
3o114b3o138b2o$36b2obo15b2o7bo297bo$37bo2b3o12bobo4b3o268b2o26bo$37bo
5bo13bo3bo245bobo22bobo11b2o13b3o$38b5o14b3o2bo244b2o25bo11bo$40bo19b
3o245bo34b2obo$53bo5bo283bo2b3o4b2o$4bo8b2o39bo4b2o5b2o276b2o3bo3b2o$
2b5o6b3o5b2o29b3o12b2o277b4o$bo5bo4bobo6bo44bo101b2o3b2o21b2o3b2o143bo
15b2o$bo2b3o5b4o3bobo146b2o2bob3o19b2o2bob3o142b3o12bobo$2obo6b2ob3o3b
2o151bo4bo22bo4bo13b2o56b2o71bo13bo6bo$o2b6o2bobo2bo151b4ob2o2bo18b4ob
2o2bo13bobo54bobo66b5o14b2o3b3o$b2o3b3obo2bo2bo66bo84bo2bobobob2o17bo
2bobobob2o12bo8bo49bo65bo23bo$3b3o2bo2bo3b2o32b2o30b2o88bobobobo21bobo
bobo23b2o112bo2b2o20b2o$3bo6b2o36bobo5b2o24b2o88b2obobo22b2obobo22b2o
112bob2obo12bo$2obo8b3o2bo30bo7b2o118bo27bo131b2o4bo18b2o$2ob2o7bo4bo
29b2o244bo24b2o14bo2bo2b2ob4o13b2o14b2ob2o$162b2o8bo17b2o100bo26b2o13b
2obobobobo2bo30bob2o$11bo3bo45bo101bo7b3o17bo8bo91b3o23bo18bobobobo33b
o$11bo45b2obobo100bobo4b5o16bobo5b3o135bobob2o26b2o4b3o$12bo43bobobobo
101b2o3bo5bo16b2o4b5o135bo30b2o3bo3b2o$9b3o12b2o27bo2bobobob2o104b2o2b
o2b2o20b2o3b2o170b4o2bo$9bo13b2o28b4ob2o2bo104b3obobob3o18b3o3b3o146b
2o7b2o15bob2o$25bo31bo4bo105b2o2bo2b2o14bo5b2o3b2o138b2o7bo7bobo12b3o
2bo$53b2o2bob3o107bo19b3o6b5o139b2o5bobo7bo13bo5bo$53b2o3b2o110bo17bo
10b3o32b2o26b2o85b2o7b2o14b5o$189bo10b3o30b2o28b2o111bo$67bo106b2o9bo
3bo12b2o31bo8bo17bo58bo13bo$67bobo104bo9bo17bo39bobo76b3o10bo16bo10bo$
67b2o106b3o5bo5bo13b3o17b2o18b2o28b2o16bo32bo9b3o14b3o8bobo$151b2o24bo
4bo3bo3bo14bo17b2o48b2o14b3o31b2o29bo7b2o$152bo29bo2bobo2bo88bo8bo14b
3o47b2o$150bo10b2o19bo3bo3bo86b2o9b2o15bo33b2o$150b5o5bobo6b2o7b2o3bo
5bo28bo59b2o24bo10b2o23bo8bo$155bo6bo6bo7bobo4bo3bo27bobo15bo28bo19bo
31bo21b3o8b2o$152b2obo2bo8bobo7bo7b3o29b2o14b2o28b2o17b2o28b2obo5bo15b
o10bobo$38b3o6bo103bo15b2o7b2o31b2o21bo2bo26bo2bo15bo2bo27bo2b2o4b2o$
38bo8b3o101b2o3bo3b2o48bo21b2o30b2o15b2o30b2o2bob2ob2o$39bo10bo98b2o7b
o31bo19bobo10b3o7bo4b2o18b2o4bo7b3o7bo4b2o26b2o46b2o$49b2o88b2o7bo2bob
2ob3o27b2obobo19b2o23b2o2bo16bo2b2o23b2o2bo25bobo13b2o23b2o5bobo$139bo
bo5bobobo33bobobobo30bo3bo7bo5b2o14b2o5bo7bo3bo7bo5b2o25bobo12bobo22b
2o7bo$141bo4bo2bobo30bo2bobobobob2o4bo7b2o13bo3bo10bobobo14bobobo10bo
3bo10bobobo28bo5bo7bo6bo24b2o$52bobo82b4ob2o2bobo2b2o29b4ob2o2bo2bo4b
3o5b2o25b2obobob2o12b2obobob2o19b2obobob2o22b5o7b2o5b2o3b3o$52b2o83bo
2bobobobob2o36bo4b2o9bo20b3o14b2o14b2o14b3o14b2o22bo11b2o10bo14bo$53bo
86bobobobo34bob2obo14b2o109bo2b2o20b2o12bobob2o$141b2obobo12b2o20b2o2b
o109b2o14bob2obo34bobobobo$59b2o84bo14bo10b2o11bo22b2o14b3o14b2o14b2o
14b3o20bo9b2o4bo36b2obobobobo2bo$52b2o5bobo95b3o3b2o5b2o7b5o22b2obobob
2o19b2obobob2o12b2obobob2o25b2o5b3o4bo2bo2b2ob4o29b2o2bobo2b2ob4o$52b
2o7bo69b2o24bo6bo7bo5bo28bobobo10bo3bo10bobobo14bobobo10bo3bo13b2o7bo
4b2obobobobo2bo30bobo2bo4bo$61b2o69bo7b2o22bobo12bobo25b2o5bo7bo3bo7bo
5b2o14b2o5bo7bo3bo30bobobobo33bobobo5bobo$132bobo5b2o23b2o13bobo25bo2b
2o23b2o2bo16bo2b2o23b2o19bobob2o27b3ob2obo2bo7b2o$48bo84b2o46b2o26b2o
4bo7b3o7bo4b2o18b2o4bo7b3o10bobo19bo31bo7b2o$47bobob2o121b2ob2obo2b2o
30b2o15b2o30b2o21bo48b2o3bo3b2o$47bobobobo121b2o4b2o2bo27bo2bo15bo2bo
26bo2bo21b2o31b2o7b2o15bo$46b2obobobo2bo90bobo10bo15bo5bob2o28b2o17b2o
28b2o14b2o29b3o7bo7bobo8bo2bob2o$47bo2b2ob4o91b2o8b3o21bo31bo19bo28bo
15bobo27bo3bo4bobo7bo6bo6bo$47bo4bo95bo8bo23b2o10bo24b2o59bo28bo5bo3b
2o7b2o6bobo5b5o$48b3obo2b2o100b2o33bo15b2o9b2o86bo3bo3bo19b2o10bo$50b
2o3b2o86b2o47b3o14bo8bo88bo2bobo2bo29bo$134b2o7bo29b2o31b3o14b2o48b2o
17bo14bo3bo3bo4bo24b2o$133bobo8b3o14b3o9bo32bo16b2o48b2o17b3o13bo5bo5b
3o$135bo10bo16bo10b3o118bo17bo9bo$162bo13bo58bo26bo31b2o12bo3bo9b2o$
121bo111b2o28b2o30b3o10bo$119b5o14b2o7b2o85b2o26b2o32b3o10bo17bo$118bo
5bo13bo7bobo5b2o139b5o6b3o19bo$118bo2b3o12bobo7bo7b2o138b2o3b2o5bo14b
2o2bo2b2o$117b2obo15b2o7b2o146b3o3b3o18b3obobob3o$117bo2b4o170b2o3b2o
20b2o2bo2b2o$118b2o3bo3b2o30bo135b5o4b2o16bo5bo3b2o$120b3o4b2o26b2obob
o135b3o5bobo16b5o4bobo$120bo33bobobobo18bo23b3o91bo8bo17b3o7bo$117b2ob
o30bo2bobobobob2o13b2o26bo100b2o17bo8b2o$117b2ob2o14b2o13b4ob2o2bo2bo
14b2o24bo$135b2o18bo4b2o131bo27bo$137bo12bob2obo136bobob2o22bobob2o$
128b2o20b2o2bo137bobobobo21bobobobo$129bo23bo65bo58bo12b2obobobo2bo17b
2obobobo2bo$126b3o3b2o14b5o66bobo54bobo13bo2b2ob4o18bo2b2ob4o$126bo6bo
13bo71b2o56b2o13bo4bo22bo4bo$133bobo12b3o142b3obo2b2o19b3obo2b2o$134b
2o15bo143b2o3b2o21b2o3b2o$148b4o$143b2o3bo3b2o$143b2o4b3o2bo$151bob2o
34bo$151bo11bo25b2o$134b3o13b2o11bobo22bobo$136bo26b2o$135bo$142b2o$
142bo$143b3o58bobo84bobo$145bo58b2o86b2o$205bo86bo3$138bo$138b3o$141bo
$140b2o32b2o$120bo27bobo22bobo$120b2o26b2o25bo$119bobo7b2ob2o15bo$129b
2obo$132bo$132b3o4b2o49bo116bo$130b2o3bo3b2o48bo118bo$129bo2b4o53b3o
114b3o$129b2obo15b2o7bo$130bo2b3o12bobo4b3o$130bo5bo13bo3bo$131b5o14b
3o2bo$133bo19b3o$146bo5bo$97bo8b2o39bo4b2o5b2o$95b5o6b3o5b2o29b3o12b2o
$94bo5bo4bobo6bo44bo$94bo2b3o5b4o3bobo$93b2obo6b2ob3o3b2o$93bo2b6o2bob
o2bo$94b2o3b3obo2bo2bo66bo144bo$96b3o2bo2bo3b2o32b2o30b2o146b2o$96bo6b
2o36bobo5b2o24b2o144b2o$93b2obo8b3o2bo30bo7b2o$93b2ob2o7bo4bo29b2o2$
104bo3bo45bo$104bo45b2obobo$105bo43bobobobo$102b3o12b2o27bo2bobobob2o$
102bo13b2o28b4ob2o2bo$118bo31bo4bo$146b2o2bob3o$146b2o3b2o2$160bo176bo
$160bobo172bobo$160b2o174b2o7$131b3o6bo$131bo8b3o$132bo10bo$142b2o3$
145bobo202bobo$145b2o204b2o$146bo204bo2$152b2o$145b2o5bobo$145b2o7bo$
154b2o2$141bo$140bobob2o$140bobobobo$139b2obobobo2bo$140bo2b2ob4o$140b
o4bo220bo$141b3obo2b2o217bo$143b2o3b2o215b3o!
</pre>

== 25-cell quadratic growth ==

Hello, Nathaniel,

please upload the following RLE to the wiki. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 14:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
<pre>#N 25-cell quadratic growth
#O Michael Simkin
#C The smallest known pattern, that exhibits quadratic population growth,
#C as of October 2014.
#C www.conwaylife.com/wiki/25-cell_quadratic_growth
x = 21372, y = 172, rule = B3/S23
21368bo$21368bo$21369b2o$21371bo$21371bo$21324bo46bo$21325bo45bo$
21326bo$21325bo$21324bo$21326b3o151$70b2o$71bo$8b2o$9bo5$o$o$o!
</pre>

== Pattern request ==

Here is the RLE file for Glider explosion, a 10-cell Methuselah:

<nowiki>#N Glider explosion
#C A Methuselah whose lifespan is 145 and explodes (increases and decreases quickly).
#C Its stable pattern is composed of four beehives and two loaves.
#r 23/3
#R -2 -2
x = 6, y = 5
obo3b$b2o3b$bo2bob$3b2ob$3bobo!</nowiki>

And, of course, because it is made of gliders, its synthesis RLE is the same as above.

--[[User:Luis141114|Luis141114]] ([[User talk:Luis141114|talk]]) 12:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
:Gliders cannot come into this position, because they will interact before. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 16:50, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

== Pufferfish ==

Hello, Nathaniel,

please add the following pattern for the [[pufferfish]]:
<pre>
#N Pufferfish
#O Richard Schank
#C An almost natural c/2 puffer, discovered in November 2014.
#C www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Pufferfish
x = 15, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
3bo7bo$2b3o5b3o$b2o2bo3bo2b2o$3b3o3b3o2$4bo5bo$2bo2bo3bo2bo$o5bobo5bo$
2o4bobo4b2o$6bobo$3bobo3bobo$4bo5bo!
</pre>
[[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 00:13, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

== new pattern? ==
Hi I just maded pattern what is 32cellular still life and I don't see any thing like it could it be plausible that I have founded all new pattern. It looks like this. [[User:pooa123|pooa123]]

00 00
0 0
0 0 0 0
000 000

000 000
0 0 0 0
0 0
00 00
:
<pre><nowiki>
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</nowiki></pre>
-wwei23 6:13PM 11/23/2015 NY time
== Admin Request ==

I would like to become an admin. I am currently a Wikipedia editor, and I noticed that this site had not been recently updated. I'll do anything I can to help. [[User:Philipnelson99|Philipnelson99]] ([[User talk:Philipnelson99|talk]]) 23:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Hello, and welcome to LifeWiki! First of all, one doesn't have to be an admin in order to contribute. And secondly, what made you think this wiki hasn't been recently updated? [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 04:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The new bi-loaf ==

I found another bi-loaf.

<pre><nowiki>
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</nowiki></pre>

-wwei23 12:24PM 11/22/2015 NY time

== Thanks ==

Howdy, just wanted to say thanks for the "trusted" flag! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 12:08, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

: No problem! Should've gotten around to it a while ago, honestly. [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 16:34, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

== Pattern files for still lifes ==

Howdy, I wanted to let you know I've started creating entries for smaller still lifes (11-bitters so far) that don't yet have any. I think you're the only one who can upload RLE files for the patterns and their syntheses, right? Would be mighty cool if you could thus complete those entries when you get around to it. I'll also let you know when I'm done with the 11-bitters. Best, [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 12:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

: Actually any of the mods can (so me, dvgrn, Sokwe, codeholic... maybe some others, I forget ;)). I'll add it to my list. I can also quickly upload any RLEs that you e-mail to me (support@conwaylife.com). Cheers! [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 15:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

::Great! I've created all the remaining articles for the 11-bit still lives; will look into emailing you the RLEs soon. BTW, since the RLEs for the syntheses are all on Mark Niemiec's site already, would it be considered improper to simply copy those over from there? [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 14:25, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== Pattern for [[112P15]] ==

Nathaniel, if you'd be so kind -- I've added a page for [[112P15]], a previously-unknown (AFAICT) oscillator that appeared on Catagolue; here's the RLE for the pattern:

<pre>
x = 25, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
6bo11bo$7b2o7b2o$3bobob2o7b2obobo$2bobo15bobo$3bo17bo$2bo19bo$o9b2ob2o
9bo$b2o8bobo8b2o$b2o6bobobobo6b2o$8bobo3bobo$6bo2bo5bo2bo$6b3o7b3o2$6b
3o7b3o$6bo2bo5bo2bo$8bobo3bobo$b2o6bobobobo6b2o$b2o8bobo8b2o$o9b2ob2o
9bo$2bo19bo$3bo17bo$2bobo15bobo$3bobob2o7b2obobo$7b2o7b2o$6bo11bo!
</pre>

Would be great if you could add this to the entry. Thanks! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 21:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

== Vivarium ==

Hi! I'm new to the wiki, but not to wikis in general or to life. Last year I started developing a project for Wikipedia called [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:WikiProject_WikiWidgets WikiWidgets] that adds interactive JavaScript widgets to Wikipedia articles. The project is already deployed in the Spanish Wikipedia, and the second widget I developed was for Conway's Game of Life. The widget is called Vivarium and you can see it live at the Spanish Wikipedia [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juego_de_la_vida here]. A nice thing about the way these widgets are implemented is that they can be easily added to any MediaWiki wiki, such as this one. All that you would need to do is add the following line to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]:
<pre>
if ( $( '.WikiWidget' ).length ) {
mw.loader.load( '//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:WikiWidgets.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' );
}
</pre>
This line will load the initialization code for the widgets every time a div with the class 'WikiWidget' is found. Such a div can be inserted into any article through the Template:Vivarium that I already created. This template also allows users to define which cells should start out alive (scroll down the article in the Spanish Wikipedia to see a demo). Thus, this widget has the potential to illustrate every single article about a pattern with a working mini version of the game itself! I cannot think of anything more appropriate for this wiki, I hope you'll agree. If you add the code to MediaWiki:Common.js, you should be able to see a working demo with a collection of oscillators at my userpage. Cheers! --[[User:Luis Felipe Schenone|Felipe]] ([[User talk:Luis Felipe Schenone|talk]]) 03:50, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
:Oh and by the way, would you mind changing my username to Felipe Schenone (nobody calls me Luis). I checked your [[Special:Version]] page and you don't seem to have the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser Renameuser extension] installed, but installing it is easy (if you don't know how to, you may want to consider [https://www.upwork.com/freelancers/~017a81393fa108bff5 hiring me] for one hour, I can do marvels heh). I'm trying to unify my identity throughout the Internet and would really appreciate this. Thanks, thanks, thanks! --[[User:Luis Felipe Schenone|Felipe]] ([[User talk:Luis Felipe Schenone|talk]]) 18:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

:: Hi there. First off, my apologies for not responding to this sooner. Thanks very much for introducing you to your Vivarium project, which is very nice. However, we are actually in the process of rolling out another similar project on the wiki (which has been live on the forums here for some time now). In addition to being consistent with our forums, this viewer is very fast and able to handle large patterns, and has a wide variety of advanced features (e.g., other cellular automata support) that have been added in over the past few years. Here is an example of our viewer in action:

{{LV:Viewer|3o$o$bo}}

All the best. [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 02:02, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

:::That's excellent, thanks a lot for integrating the LifeViewer applet into the wiki! Now all we need to figure out is how to best use this in articles.

:::I'd like some community discussion on this before unilaterally making sweeping changes across the entire wiki. Given we seem to have been lacking a central discussion page so far, I thus also took the liberty of creating the [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar]], modelled (in spirit at the very least) on Wikipedia's Village pump, Wiktionary's Beer parlour etc. This should also lessen the load on your own talk page a bit. ;)

:::I've started by putting down some thoughts on [[LV:Viewer]] integration there. Would be great if we can get a constructive discussion going so we can make the most of the applet! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:14, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== Handling categories for spaceship directions in [[Template:Spaceship]] ==

Howdy Nathaniel, I was wondering whether it wouldn't be a good idea to let [[Template:Spaceship]] handle categories for spaceship directions -- i.e. by automatically putting ships into the proper category.

Right now we only have [[:Category:Oblique spaceships]], which has four members that were all added manually; [[:Category:Diagonal spaceships]] and [[:Category:Orthogonal spaceships]] don't exist, though [[Demonoid]] had been placed in the former.

I think having all three categories would be valuable, and given that [[Template:Spaceship]] already takes a parameter for direction, it would be natural to use to populate them automatically.

Normally I'd have just jumped in and made the change myself, but the template's protected and I can't edit it. So I'm proposing this here instead. ;) (Is there a way to protect pages in such a manner that, say, users with the "trusted" flag can edit them even if they're not administrators?) [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 20:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

: Good idea, thanks. I've modified the protection on the Spaceship template so that any "trusted" user can edit it. Just send me a quick message any time there are other protected pages you want to be able to edit. [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 14:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

::Wonderful! I've gone ahead and made the change, and also added the relevant categories, supporting templates, parent categories etc. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 18:17, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== RLE file for [[polyplet|tetraplets]] ==

Howdy Nathaniel, could you be so kind and add the following RLE for the tetraplets shown on [[polyplet]]?

<pre>
x = 54, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
4o6b3o7b3o7b2obo6b2o8b2o$13bo8bo9bo9b2o8bo$53bo7$2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o$2bo9bo8b2o8bo9bo8b2o$2bo8bo20bo7bo7$obo7bo9bo9bo9bo9bo$bobo7b2o8b2o
8bobo7bo9bo$13bo7bo10bo9bo8bo$43bo6bo7$bo8bo9bobo7bo$obo7b2o9bo9b2o$bo
8bo11bo7bo!
</pre>

Thanks! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 10:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

: Done, thanks! [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

::Cool! Here's another snippet, for the new [[polyomino|hexominoes]] image:

<pre>
x = 82, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
6o7b5o8b5o8b5o8b4o9b4o9b4o$17bo11bo11bo13b2o11bo11b2o$68bo8$4o9b4o9bo
13bo13bo13bo9b4o$bobo9bo2bo9b4o9b4o9b4o9b4o11bo$29bo12bo12bo12bo11bo8$
4o10bo13bo10b3o10b3o10b3o10b3o$b2o10b4o9b4o11b3o10b2o11b2o10b3o$15bo
12bo26bo11bo8$3o10bo13bo11b3o10b3o10b3o10b3o$ob2o9b3o10b3o12bo12bo11b
2o11b2o$15b2o11b2o11b2o10b2o12bo11bo8$3o10bo13bo13bo10bo13bo11b2o$3o
10b3o10b3o10b3o10b3o10b3o11b2o$14b2o11b2o11b2o10bobo10bobo12b2o!
</pre>

::[[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 23:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

::: Done, thanks! [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 15:28, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

== Changing protection levels ==

Howdy! There's a few more pages I'd like to be able to edit but which are currently fully protected, so in light of what you said above, if you could change their protection levels so trusted users can edit them, that'd be excellent.

Here's a list, along with what I'd like to do:

* [[Template:SpaceshipNavbox]]: should list [[:Category:Spaceships with specific direction]] and [[:Category:Spaceships with specific slope]].
* [[Template:Disambig]]: should put pages into [[:Category:Disambiguation pages]].
* [[:Category:Still lifes]]: should be placed in [[:Category:Pattern categories]].
* [[:Category:Reflectors]]: dto.
* Category:Pure glider generators: dto.
* [[:Category:Puffer engines]]: dto.
* [[:Category:Pseudo still lifes]]: dto.
* [[:Category:Patterns]]: dto.
* [[:Category:Induction coils]]: dto.
* [[:Category:Eaters]]: dto.
* [[:Category:Everything else]]: should be placed in [[:Category:Toplevel category]].
* [[Template:Cite web]]: add documentation.
* [[Template:Gun]]: should categorize guns by period.
* [[Template:Pattern]]: should allow more than one discoverer to be specified.

I'm sure there'll be more eventually, but this is it for now. Thank you! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:30, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

== RLE files ==

Howdy, I got some more RLE snippets to be added.

1) For [[:File:Blonker.png]] / [[Blonker]]:

<pre>
x = 12, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
o2b2o4bo$2o2bob2obo$4bobo$5b2o$7bo$7bo3bo$9bobo$10bo!
</pre>

2) For [[:File:Crane.png]] / [[Crane]]:

<pre>
x = 27, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
b2o$2o$2bo$4b2o$3bo2$7bo$4b2o2b2o$4b2o2b3o$4b2o3b2o$12b2ob2o$12b3o2bo$
11b3o3bo2bo$11b2o6bobo$10bobo$9b2o9b2ob2o$9bobo8b2o3bo$8bo13b2o$9b2o
14b2o!
</pre>

3) For [[:File:Double block reaction eating LWSS and R-pentomino.png]] / [[Double block reaction]]:

<pre>
x = 16, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
b4o5b2o$o3bo6b2ob2o$4bo6bo2b2o$o2bo2$13b2o$13b2o!
</pre>

4) For [[:File:Dove.png]] / [[Dove]]:

<pre>
x = 5, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
b2o$o2bo$bo2bo$2b3o!
</pre>

5) For [[:File:Firespitting.png]] / [[Fire-spitting]]:

<pre>
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
5bo$3b2obo$b2o3bo$4bob2o$bo2bo$2bobo2$bobo$o$2o!
</pre>

6) For [[:File:112p15.png]] / [[112P15]]:

<pre>
x = 25, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
6bo11bo$7b2o7b2o$3bobob2o7b2obobo$2bobo15bobo$3bo17bo$2bo19bo$o9b2ob2o
9bo$b2o8bobo8b2o$b2o6bobobobo6b2o$8bobo3bobo$6bo2bo5bo2bo$6b3o7b3o2$6b
3o7b3o$6bo2bo5bo2bo$8bobo3bobo$b2o6bobobobo6b2o$b2o8bobo8b2o$o9b2ob2o
9bo$2bo19bo$3bo17bo$2bobo15bobo$3bobob2o7b2obobo$7b2o7b2o$6bo11bo!
</pre>

7) For File:44p122.png / [[44P12.2]]:

<pre>
x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6b2o$5b2o$4bo$3bob4o$2bobo4bo$b2obob2obo2b2o$2o2bob2obob2o$4bo4bob
o$5b4obo$9bo$7b2o$6b2o$6bo!
</pre>

8) For [[:File:5blink.png]] / [[5blink]]:

<pre>
x = 13, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bob2o$o3bo3b2o$o8bo$o3bo$3b3obo3bo$bobo2b2o2bobo$obo8bo$2o!
</pre>

9) For [[:File:6bits.png]] / [[6 bits]]:

<pre>
x = 40, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
21bo$21bo$20bobo$21bo$21bo$21bo$21bo$20bobo$21bo$21bo5$2bo2bo4bo2bo$3o
2b6o2b3o$2bo2bo4bo2bo$22b2o$21b2o$23bo$32bo4bo$30b2ob4ob2o$32bo4bo!
</pre>

10) For [[:File:Achimsotherp16.png]] / [[Achim's other p16]]:

<pre>
x = 35, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
9bo15bo$9b2o13b2o$9b2o13b2o$10bo13bo5$12b2o7b2o$3o10b2o5b2o10b3o$b3o
10b2o3b2o10b3o2$8bo17bo$8b2o15b2o$9b2o13b2o$10bo13bo4$10bo13bo$9b2o13b
2o$8b2o15b2o$8bo17bo2$b3o10b2o3b2o10b3o$3o10b2o5b2o10b3o$12b2o7b2o5$
10bo13bo$9b2o13b2o$9b2o13b2o$9bo15bo!
</pre>

11) For [[Blocked p4 t-nose hybrid]]:

<pre>
x = 21, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
11b3o2$10bo3bo$4bo3bo6bob2o$3bobo12bo$3bobo10b2o$2obobob9o2b3o$2obo13b
o2bo$3bo14b2o$3bobo4bobo$4b2o4b2obo$13bo$13b2o!
</pre>

12) For [[Blocked p4-4]]:

<pre>
x = 19, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
11bo$4bo3bo4bob2o$3bobo10bo$3bobo8b2o$2obobob7o2b3o$2obo11bo2bo$3bo12b
2o$3bobo$4b2o3b3o!
</pre>

13) For [[Blocked p4-5]]:

<pre>
x = 18, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
4bo3bo3bob2o$3bobo9bo$3bobo7b2o$2obobob6o2b3o$2obo10bo2bo$3bo11b2o$3bo
bo5b2o$4b2o4b3o$9bob2o$8bobo$8bo2bo$9b2o!
</pre>

14) For [[Duoplet]]:

<pre>
x = 2, y = 2, rule = B2/S
bo$o!
</pre>

15) For [[Figure eight on 34P13]]:

<pre>
x = 16, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
4b3o2$6bo$6b2o$5bo$8bo$4bo3bo$9b2o$2o2b3o5bo$2o5bo4b2obo$7bo3bo3bo$7bo
bo5bo3$6b2o$6b2o$13b2o$11bob2o$10bo$13bo$9b2obo$9b2o!
</pre>

16) For [[Heavyweight volcano]]:

<pre>
x = 17, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
6bo$4b5o$3bo5bo$3bob2o2bo$2b2obobob3obo$4bo2bo4b2o$4b2obob2o$3b3obobob
5o$2bo2bobo5bo2bo$5bo2b5o2b2o$5b4o3bo$o3bobo5b2o$o3bobo5b2o$5b4o3bo$5b
o2b5o2b2o$2bo2bobo5bo2bo$3b3obobob5o$4b2obob2o$4bo2bo4b2o$2b2obobob3ob
o$3bob2o2bo$3bo5bo$4b5o$6bo!
</pre>

17) For [[Jason's p36]]:

<pre>
x = 39, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
26b2o$2o23bo2bo$bo21bo2bobo$bobo18bo4bo$2b2o18bo$13b3o8b3o$13bo$13bobo
$14b2o$23b2o$23bobo$25bo$12b3o8b3o$16bo18b2o$11bo4bo18bobo$10bobo2bo
21bo$10bo2bo23b2o$11b2o!
</pre>

18) For [[Merzenich's p11]]:

<pre>
x = 21, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
11b2o$12bo$12bobo$10b2obobo$9bobobobo$8bobo2bo2b2o$7bo5bo4bo$6bo7b4o$
5bo12b3o$4bo5bo5b2o2bo$3bobo3bobo3bobo$o2b2o5bo5bo$3o12bo$3b4o7bo$2bo
4bo5bo$3b2o2bo2bobo$5bobobobo$5bobob2o$6bobo$8bo$8b2o!
</pre>

19) For [[Octagon IV]]:

<pre>
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$7b2o2$6b4o$5bo4bo$4bo6bo$3bo8bo$2obo8bob2o$2obo8bob2o$3bo8bo$4bo
6bo$5bo4bo$6b4o2$7b2o$7b2o!
</pre>

20) For [[P11 double-length signal injector]]:

<pre>
x = 51, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6bobo2bo$6bob6o$4b2obo6bo$3bobo2bob5o$3bo2bobo8bo$2obo8b6o$o2bob5o
bo$2bo6bobo2bob4o$3b2ob3o2bobobo4bo$4b2o5bobo2bob3o$2bo4b2o3b2obobo5bo
$2b2ob2obo6bo2b6o$6bo8bobo$6bobo5b2obo2b6o$7b2o8bobo6bo$17bobobob4o$
18b2obo7bo$21bobob5o$21bobo$20b2obo2b6o$23bobo6bo$23bobo2b5o$24b2obobo
5bo$27bob7o$27bobobo$26b2obob7o$29bobo6bo$29bobo2b5o$30b2obo7bo$33bo2b
ob4o$33bobobo$32b2obo2bob4o$35bobobo4bo$35bobo2b5o$36b2obo7bo$39bo2b6o
$39bobo$38b2obobob5o$41bobo6bo$41bobobob4o$42b2obo$45bo2b3o$45bobo2bo$
44b2obobo$48bo!
</pre>

21) For [[P11 double-length signal injector]] (shortest possible version) / [[:File:P11 Signal Injector 0.PNG]]:

<pre>
x = 15, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6bobo2bo$6bob6o$4b2obo6bo$3bo3bobob4o$3bobobobo$2obo3bobobob2o$o2b
2obo2bobo2bo$2bo6bobobo$3b2ob3o3bo$4b2o$2bo4b2o$2b2ob2obo$6bo$6bobo$7b
2o!
</pre>

22) For [[P11 pinwheel]]:

<pre>
x = 23, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$7bobo$8bo2$16bo$15b2o$4b2o7bo$5bo3bo11b2o$8b3o3bo5bobo$6bo2b2o2b
3o5bo$13b2o2$8b2o$bo5b3o2b2o2bo$obo5bo3b3o$2o11bo3bo$9bo7b2o$6b2o$6bo
2$14bo$13bobo$14b2o!
</pre>

23) For [[P124 lumps of muck hassler]]:

<pre>
x = 39, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
20bo$14b2o3bobo3b2o$13bobo4bo4bobo$13bo13bo$10b2obo13bob2o$10b2obobob
7obobob2o$13bobo9bobo$13bobo9bobo$14bo3bobobo3bo$32bo$32bobo$31bobo$
33bo$3bo$3b3o$6bo30b2o$5b2o30b2o3$13b3o$11b2o2bo$2o9bo2b2o16b2o$2o9b3o
18bo$17bo15b3o$16bobo16bo$5bo12b2o$5bobo$4bobo$6bo$12bo11bo$11bobo3b3o
3bobo$11bob4o3b4obo$8b2obo13bob2o$8b2ob2o2b2o3b2o2b2ob2o$11bo13bo$11bo
bo4bo4bobo$12b2o3bobo3b2o$18bo!
</pre>

24) For [[P32 blinker hassler]]:

<pre>
x = 21, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
10bo$4b2o3bobo3b2o$3bobo4bo4bobo$3bo13bo$2obo13bob2o$2obobob7obobob2o$
3bobo9bobo$3bobo9bobo$4bo3bobobo3bo2$10bo$4b2o4bo4b2o$4b2o4bo4b2o7$12b
o$8b2o2b2ob3o$8b2o4b4o$12b2o!
</pre>

25) For [[P32 blinker hassler 2]]:

<pre>
x = 24, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
9b2o7b2o$9bo2b2ob2o2bo$10b2obobob2o$11bobobobo$11bob3obo$12b5o4$13b3o$
6b2o6bo$5bobo6bo$5b2o2$9b3o6b3o$9bobo6b3o$9b3o6b3o$21b3o$21b3o$21b3o2$
4bo3bobobo3bo$3bobo9bobo$3bobo9bobo$2obobob7obobob2o$2obo13bob2o$3bo
13bo$3bobo4bo4bobo$4b2o3bobo3b2o$10bo!
</pre>

26) For [[P60 hassler]]:

<pre>
x = 34, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
10b2o10b2o$9bo2bo8bo2bo$9b3o2b6o2b3o$12b2o6b2o$11bo10bo$11b2obo4bob2o$
16b2o2$16bo$16bo$16bo$13bo$2bo4bo3bo2bo3b3o5bo4bo$2b6o3bobo12b6o$2bo4b
o4bo3bo9bo4bo$16bo$16bo2$2b6o18b6o$bo6bo16bo6bo$o8bo14bo8bo$bo6bo16bo
6bo$2b6o18b6o!
</pre>

27) For [[Period-48 pi hassler]]:

<pre>
x = 33, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
13bo$3b2o8b3o$3b2o11bo7b2o$15b2o7bo$b6o15bobo$o6bo14b2o$2o2b3o21b2o$
28bobo$4bo20b2obobo$4bo2bo17bobobo$o3bo22bo$o3bo20bo2bo$o3bo3bo8b2o9bo
$4bo12bobo4bo3bo3bo$4bo2bo11bo8bo3bo$5bo11bobo8bo3bo$3bobobo9b2o6bo2bo
$2bobob2o20bo$2bobo$3b2o21b3o2b2o$9b2o14bo6bo$8bobo15b6o$8bo7b2o$7b2o
7bo11b2o$17b3o8b2o$19bo!
</pre>

28) For [[Bipole tie ship|Ship on bipole]]:

<pre>
x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo$b2o$3b2o$3bobo2$5bobo$6b2o!
</pre>

29) For T-nosed p4 on 48P31:

<pre>
x = 24, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
7b2obo2bob2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$2o5bobo4bobo5b2o$8bo6bo6$8bo6bo$2o5bob
o4bobo5b2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$7b2obo2bob2o8$11b3o$12bo2$11b3o$10bo3bo$
9bo5bo$9bobobobo$8b2obobob2o$7bo2b2ob2o2bo$7b2o7b2o!
</pre>

30) For [[Trans-block on candlefrobra|Trans-block and long hook eating tub]]:

<pre>
x = 10, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
5bo$bob2obo$obo3bo$bo4bob2o$5b2ob2o!
</pre>

31) For [[Voldiag]]:

<pre>
x = 26, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
6b3o$4b2o$4bo$4bo3bo$b3ob2o$bo2bobo3b2o$o3b2o4bo3bo$o8bo2b3o$o2bo5bo4b
2o$7b2o3bo$5b2o4b3o3bo$5bo4bob3obobo$7bob3o2bo2b2o$7bo2b2o$6b3o2b2o7b
2o$8bo10b2o$11bo8bobo$10bobo5bobob3o$11b2o4bobo5bo$15bo2bo5b2o$14b4o$
14bo$16b2o$17bo$17bobo$18b2o!
</pre>

32) For [[Carrier tie boat|Boat on aircraft]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$3b2o$b2o$2bo$o$2o!
</pre>

33) For [[Boat tie snake|Boat on snake]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$b2o$3b2obo$3bob2o!
</pre>

34) For [[Boat with hooked tail]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o$bobobo$bo2bo$2b2o!
</pre>

35) For [[Boat with very long tail]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo2b2o$bo2bobo$2b2o!
</pre>

36) For [[Carrier with feather]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2o2bo$o2bobo$2b2o2bo$5b2o!
</pre>

37) For [[Cis-boat with nine]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$2bob2o$2bo$obo$2o!
</pre>

38) For [[Cis-long boat with tail]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo2b2o$bobobo$2bobo$3bo!
</pre>

39) For [[Cis-rotated bookend|Cis-rotated hook]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b2o$2bo2b2o$obobobo$2o2bo$4b2o!
</pre>

40) For [[Claw with tub with tail]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$bobo$3bo$2bo$3b3o$5bo!
</pre>

41) For [[Cthulhu]]:

<pre>
x = 11, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
bo3bo3bo$obobobobobo$obobobobobo$b2obobob2o$4bobo$4bobo$3b2ob2o$2bo4bo
$2b2ob2o$3bobo$2bo2bo$2bobo$b2ob2o!
</pre>

42) Also for [[Cthulhu]], but for [[:File:Cis-Cthulhu.png]]:

<pre>
x = 11, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
bo3bo3bo$obobobobobo$obobobobobo$b2obobob2o$4bobo$4bobo$3b2ob2o$2bo4bo
$2b2ob2o$3bobo$3bo2bo$4bobo$3b2ob2o!
</pre>

43) For [[Eater head siamese carrier]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bob2o$2b2o2bo$5b2o!
</pre>

44) For [[Eater head siamese snake]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bob2obo$2b2ob2o!
</pre>

45) For [[Eater tail siamese carrier]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2o$o4b2o$b3o2bo$3b2o!
</pre>

46) For [[Eater tail siamese snake]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
ob2o$2ob3o$6bo$5b2o!
</pre>

47) For [[Eater with cape]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2o2b2o$obo2bo$2bobo$2b2o!
</pre>

48) For [[Trans-long^3 hook with tail|Extra long hook with tail]]:

<pre>
x = 5, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
bo$b3o$4bo$3bo$2bo$bo$o$2o!
</pre>

49) For [[Extra long shillelagh]]:

<pre>
x = 5, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
b2o$obo$o$bo$2bo$3bo$4bo$3b2o!
</pre>

50) For [[Fuse with tail and long tail]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
ob2o$2o2bo$3bo$4b3o$6bo!
</pre>

51) For [[Hungry hat]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$2obobo$bobo$bobo$2bo!
</pre>

52) For [[Long hook with nine|Integral with long hook]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo$2bo2b2o$2bobobo$3bo!
</pre>

53) For [[Hook line tub|Integral with tub and hook]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$4bo$b3o$o$bo$2o!
</pre>

54) For [[Tub trans-line tub|Integral with two tubs]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bobo$3bobo$3bo$bobo$obo$bo!
</pre>

55) For [[Cis-long^3 hook with tail|Long cis-hook with tail]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
3bo$b3o$o$bo$2bo$3bobo$4b2o!
</pre>

56) For [[Long cis-shillelagh]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
b2o$obo$o$bo$2bo$3bobo$4b2o!
</pre>

57) For [[Long claw with tail]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo2b2o$bobo2bo$2bo2b2o!
</pre>

58) For [[Long fuse with two tails]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo2bo$bobobo$2bo2bo$5b2o!
</pre>

59) For [[Long prodigal]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$bo2b2o$2b2o2bo$5b2o!
</pre>

60) For [[Carrier siamese long snake|Python siamese carrier]]:

<pre>
x = 4, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$3bo$bo$b2o$2bo$bo$o$2o!
</pre>

61) For [[Snake siamese long snake|Python siamese snake]]:

<pre>
x = 3, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
b2o$2bo$bo$b2o$2bo$bo$o$2o!
</pre>

62) For [[Snake with feather]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2o$o2b2obo$bobob2o$2bo!
</pre>

63) For [[Trans-boat and table]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
bo$obob2o$b2obo$4bo$4b2o!
</pre>

64) For [[Trans-long boat with tail]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bobo$2bobo$3bo$3o$o!
</pre>

65) For [[Cis-tub with long^3 tail|Tub with cis-tail]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o$o4bo$bo2bobo$2bo2bo$3b2o!
</pre>

66) For [[Trans-tub with long^3 tail|Tub with extra long tail]]:

<pre>
x = 4, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$bobo$3bo$2bo$bo$o$2o!
</pre>

67) For [[Very long integral]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
2o2b2o$o2bo2bo$b2o2b2o!
</pre>

68) For [[Very very long boat]]:

<pre>
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$2bobo$bobo$obo$2o!
</pre>

69) For [[Very very long canoe]]:

<pre>
x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$5bobo$4bo$3bo$2bo$bo$o$2o!
</pre>

70) For [[Very^4 long snake]]:

<pre>
x = 7, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$6bo$5bo$4bo$3bo$2bo$bo$o$2o!
</pre>

Thanks! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 22:04, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

== Wrong RLE ==

Howdy, on a related note, I noticed the RLE for [[Killer candlefrobras]] is incorrect. The linked RLE snippet is for the "Killer candlefrobras eating HWSS" reaction ([[:File:Killercandlefrobraseatinghwss.png]]); same for the Life 1.05, Life 1.06 and Plaintext files. The correct RLE for the pattern itself is this:

<pre>
x = 21, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4bo11bo$2obob2obo3bob2obob2o$2obo3bobobobo3bob2o$3bo4bo3bo4bo$3b2o11b
2o!
</pre>

Would be great if you could fix this. Thanks! (And I also do apologize for posting so many messages on your talk page here, but unfortunately all this is work I cannot do myself.) [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

== RLE snippets for [[p24 shuttle]] ==

Howdy, here's RLE snippets for Suhajda's [[p24 shuttle]]. Pattern:

<pre>
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$7b2o4$11b2o$6bo4b2o$2o2b2obo5b2o$2o2bo2bo5b2o$4b3o2$18b2o$11b2o5b
2o$10bo2bo$10bobo$10b3o3$11b2o$11b2o!
</pre>

Synthesis, [http://codercontest.com/mniemiec/lg/38p24ks.rle copied] from Mark Niemiec's database:

<pre>
#N 38p24ks.rle
#O Mark D. Niemiec's life synthesis database, Thu Feb 19 02:05:15 2015
x = 184, y = 119, rule = B3/S23
119bobo$120boo$120bo4$118bo$116bobo$117boo$$124bo$125boo10bo$124boo9b
oo$136boo$171bxx$171bxx3$172bx$171b3x$74bo69bobo23bxbbx$72bobo19bxx28b
oo18boo18bxx5bxx$73boo19bxx28boo19bo18bxx$70boo$69bobo105bxx$41bobo15b
xx10bo7boo18bxx28boo38bxx5bxbxxbbxx$41boo16bx19bo19bx29bo40bx5bxbx3bxx
$38bo3bo19bx19bo19bx29bo38bxx4bx$36bobo22bxx18boo18bxx28boo39bx$37boo
$$5bo31boo107bo$3bobo19bxx9bobo6boo18bxx18boo18bxx28boo8boo28bxx$4boo
19bxx11bo6boo18bxx18boo18bxx28boo8bobo27bxx$boo$obo$bbo153boo$155boo$
157bo$149b3o$149bo$150bo15$21bo$20bo$20b3o$51bxx28boo5bo22bxx28boo28b
xx$20bo29bxbx27bobo5bobo19bxbx27bobo27bxbx$20boo29bx29bo6boo21bx29bo
29bx$19bobo63boo27bxx28boo28bxx$85bobo26bxx28boo28bxx$85bo65bo$150bo
26bxx$150b3o23bxbx$145b3o29bx$147bo$146bobboo$149bobo$149bo13$149bobo$
149boo$150bo$134bobo$135boo11bo$135bo13bo$147b3o4$171bxx$144bobo24bxx$
145boo$145bo8bo$71bo81boo17bx$21boo28bxx16bobo9boo28bxx28boo10bobo15b
3x$20bobo27bxbx17boo8bobo27bxbx27bobo27bxbbx$21bo29bx21boo6bo22bxx5bx
22boo5bo22bxx5bxx$24boo28bxx16bobo9boo18bxx8bxx18boo8boo18bxx$24boo28b
xx18bo9boo28bxx28boo$93bo83bxx$16bobo8boo20bxx6bxx20boo6boo4bobo13bxx
6bxx3bxx15boo6boo3boo15bxx5bxbxxbbxx$8bo8boo7bobo20bx6bxbx20bo6bobo4b
oo14bx6bxbx3bxx15bo6bobo3boo16bx5bxbx3bxx$9boo6bo9bo24bx4bx24bo4bo8boo
14bx4bx24bo4bo23bxx4bx$8boo41bxx28boo13bobo12bxx28boo29bx$12boo82bo$
13boo$12bo$115bxx28boo28bxx$84b3o28bxx28boo28bxx$86bo$85bo$87b3o$87bo$
88bo!
</pre>

[[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 12:14, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

== Changing protection levels (2nd) ==

Howdy, could you (or another sysop) be so kind and change the protection level of the following pages to allow edits by Trusted users?

* Categories:
** [[:Category:Eaters]]
** [[:Category:Everything else]]
** [[:Category:Induction coils]]
** [[:Category:Patterns]]
** [[:Category:Pseudo still lifes]]
** [[:Category:Puffer engines]]
** Category:Pure glider generators
** [[:Category:Reflectors]]
** [[:Category:Still lifes]]
* Templates:
** [[Template:Cite web]]
** [[Template:Disambig]]
** [[Template:Gun]]
** [[Template:OscillatorNavbox]]
** [[Template:Pattern]]
** [[Template:PatternDownload]]
** [[Template:PatternNavbox]]
** [[Template:Stilllife]]

I'd like to do some housekeeping on these (details are in the task list on my user page), but can't right now. Thanks! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 22:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

: Done! [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 18:25, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

::Thanks! :D [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 23:20, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

== Pattern collection ==

Hi Nathaniel,

I just realized that some pages, like [[339P7H1V0]] and [[spaghetti monster]], have broken download links to RLE files. Other pages, like [[syringe]], have links to Life 105, Life 106, and plaintext formats, but none of these work either. The RLEs for the spaceships can be copied from the RLE namespace pages, but the syringe has no RLE page, so here is its RLE:

x = 55, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o18$19bobo$20b2o$20bo4$35bo$35b3o$38bo$37bobo$37bobo$38bo5$53b
2o$53b2o4$33b2o$32bobo$32bo$31b2o7b2o$40b2o2$48b2obo$48b2ob3o$54bo$48b
2ob3o$47bo2b2o$46bobo$45bobob2obo$46bo2bob2o$49bo$48b2o$45bobo2b2o$45b
2o2bo2bo$50b2o6$35b2o$34bo2bo$35b2o!

Here is an alternate version, where the herschel-eating beehive is removed but the object gets destroyed at the end.

x = 36, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo4$16bo$16b3o$19bo$18bobo$18bobo$19bo5$34b2o$34b2o4$14b2o$13b
obo$13bo$12b2o7b2o$21b2o2$29b2obo$29b2ob3o$35bo$29b2ob3o$28bo2b2o$27bo
bo$26bobob2obo$27bo2bob2o$30bo$29b2o$26bobo2b2o$26b2o2bo2bo$31b2o!

The code for the pattern infobox currently says "rle = false", "plaintext = false", etc. but this doesn't seem to make a difference as those links are still provided.

I also found some patterns in the collection that aren't linked to on the Wiki at all, such as [http://conwaylife.com/patterns/mersenneprimecalculator.rle mersenneprimecalculator], [http://conwaylife.com/patterns/primequadrupletcalculator.rle primequadrupletcalculator], [http://conwaylife.com/patterns/cousinprimecalculator.rle cousinprimecalculator], [http://conwaylife.com/patterns/pp8primecalculator.rle pp8primecalculator], and [http://conwaylife.com/patterns/scrubber_with_blocks.rle scrubber_with_blocks].

[[User:Gameoflifeboy|Gameof]][[User talk:Gameoflifeboy|life]][[Special:Contributions/Gameoflifeboy|boy]] 03:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

== Question about blocks ==

Why have you given Spam User at least 50 infinite blocks? Because the blocks are infinite, you only need to block Spam User once. -wwei23 3:18 PM 4/10/2018 NY time

I can answer that question: "Spam User" is not a single user, but rather the location to which every spambot gets moved. So all of those blocks are for different spambots. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 09:17, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

== On the deletion of [[Pentadecathlons jostling two blocks]] ==

As I recall, I had added a brief "see also" section with some Catagolue links to other reactions in which pentadecathlons perturb blocks (or maybe added some to an existing such section), I can't remember how extensive it was. Anyway, I wanted to add {{LinkCatagolue|xp15_o8oy0gj3xgcgzvfvy0ppy0gfgz111y1ccy03|name=this oscillator|style=raw}} (in which two phase-shifted pentadeclathlons also perturb blocks, albeit four blocks and in a reflectionally-symmetrical manner), however I found the page's deletion request to finally have been fulfilled. I am also not sure whether I added {{LinkCatagolue|xp15_o8oy275777757zvfvy0ccwccy0gggz111y066w66y0vuvzxskssssksy2323|name=this similar C4_4 oscillator|style=raw}}.

I am aware of the history with its name so will not ask for it to be undeleted, but could you reply with the Catagolue links for all of the patterns shown, so that I could make an unoffensive "oscillators in which pentadecathlons perturb other objects" article in my userspace (that would not reference a certain comedian or the certain ways of comedians of his time)?

Sorry if I am misremembering and the "see also" list was in fact trivially small.

Thank you for your time. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

: It looks like the following was the only link in this page's "See also": {{LinkCatagolue|xp30_4evy2ve4w2a606a2w4evy2ve4|patternname=pentadecathlons hassling bi-block|style=raw}}. [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 21:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

LifeWiki:Deletion policy

2023-11-13T00:19:45Z

Nathaniel: /* Undeletion */ Fix moderator link

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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
| [[#Speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]]
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LW:DISPUTE

2023-11-13T00:12:11Z

Nathaniel: Redirected page to LifeWiki:Dispute resolution

#REDIRECT [[LifeWiki:Dispute resolution]]

LifeWiki:Dispute resolution

2023-11-13T00:11:56Z

Nathaniel: Redirect notices

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LW:DR

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Nathaniel: Redirected to the wrong place

#REDIRECT [[LifeWiki:Dispute resolution]]

LW:DR

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Nathaniel: Redirected page to LifeWiki:Deletion policy

#REDIRECT [[LifeWiki:Deletion policy]]

User:Hotcrystal0/copy of unname66609's userpage

2023-11-13T00:10:53Z

Nathaniel: Moderators decide whether Proposed Deletions result in actual deletions. Do not undo this change; see Steps 4-6 of LW:DR.

==Note==

This is only for archive purposes if unname66609's userpage gets deleted.

Edit 10/24/2023: The original did get deleted.

==The actual content==

Hello, Unname66609, and welcome to LifeWiki!

Please don't experiment in the main namespace, use subpages in your user namespace for that purpose, e. g. User:Unname66609/Sandbox

Enjoy playing Game Of Life!

[[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 21:58, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Please do not create meaningless redirects. And do not rename pages without a good reason and prior discussion - it can be considered vandalism. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 12:10, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

== Aquarium ==

Pardon my French, but what the fuck is aquarium, that you keep on creating an article about? [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 00:24, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

=== Second call ===
Unname66609, you definitely know how to edit wiki pages. So please answer, what you mean by aquarium. Otherwise I would have to delete this page again. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 01:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

=== Third call ===
Unname66609, you definitely know how to edit wiki pages. So please answer, what you mean by aquarium. Otherwise I would have to delete this page again.
:I treat you clowning around as one should. Bye-bye, aquarium. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 09:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

=== Fourth call ===
…………

== Repeated warning ==

Repeated warning. Do not blank your talk page. Do not rename pages on a whim. Do not remove deletion boxes from articles. Such edits are destructive and will result in a ban. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 08:10, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
:Because your destructive edits went on (and by that I mean vandalizing [[Template:Unsigned]]), you're honored with 3 days of ban. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 12:13, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Because of your vandalism of [[Island]] article you're banned for a week, having in mind that you were just recently banned for three days. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 11:53, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

== In Esolangs Wiki ==

=== Disruptive edits ===
Please don't rename other people's languages for them or try to use templates that don't exist to delete languages for bogus reasons. You made an article for an actual esolang too so I'll just give a warning, but your other edits are vandalism. [[User:Ehird|ehird]] ([[User talk:Ehird|talk]]) 05:07, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
:Moving the truth-machine article to a completely unrelated article's talk page is obviously nonsense (and I have no idea what "confusing vandalism" you're referring to), so I'm less inclined to assume good faith than before. Clearly you have some actual esoteric languages-related contributions, but unfortunately they are currently outnumbered by ones that are annoying busywork for others to revert. I don't want to block you, so please stop that. [[User:Ehird|ehird]] ([[User talk:Ehird|talk]]) 07:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
::(Alternatively if you would like to explain those edits and moves that would be fine too, though I find it hard to think of how they could be justified.) [[User:Ehird|ehird]] ([[User talk:Ehird|talk]]) 07:29, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

LifeWiki:Dispute resolution

2023-11-12T23:46:52Z

Nathaniel: Fixed erroneous space

Disagreements on LifeWiki are normal. LifeWiki users are expected to engage in good faith to resolve their disputes, and must not [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground personalise disputes]. Many disputes can be resolved without external input, through gradual editing, discussion, and attempts to understand the legitimate objections of others.

==Resolving a dispute==
When a dispute arises between LifeWiki users, the following procedure should be followed:

# Try to resolve it yourselves. Discuss amongst yourselves to see if you can find a common ground. If relevant or possible, improve the content under dispute to the point where it is no longer under dispute, rather than just reverting and/or removing it.
# If an agreement cannot be found among yourselves, post on the [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=16 LifeWiki discussion] forum for feedback from other members of the community. Try to reach a consensus about the appropriate course of action.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:DISENGAGE Disengage]. Most situations are not actually urgent; there are no deadlines on LifeWiki, and perfection is not required. If you are still not happy with the outcome after the previous two steps, leave the dispute for at least a week.
# If the conflict is still not resolved, you can contact a [[LifeWiki:Moderators|moderator]] (alternatively, post in [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6221 this forum thread]) and ask them to make an executive decision. Point them to the thread created in Step 2 and any additional context that may be needed to understand the dispute. By getting a moderator involved, you are asking them to decide what happens – please try to live with whatever that decision is. If you disagree with their decision, do ''not'' revert their actions on the wiki.
# Disengage. Again, for at least a week. The result of most disputes will not critically affect the lifeblood of LifeWiki. Disengage and consider whether the time and energy spent on this dispute is worth it, or could be better spent improving things elsewhere on the wiki.
# If you disagree with the moderator's decision and it seems like an important enough issue to escalate, you can message another moderator for a second opinion. If they disagree with the decision or action of the moderator from Step 4, the moderators will hold a private vote among themselves to decide the course of action. Moderators will normally have one week to vote. The result of the vote will be communicated in the thread from Step 2, that thread will be locked, and the matter will be considered closed.

==External links==
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Negotiation Wikipedia:Negotiation]

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LifeWiki:Dispute resolution

2023-11-12T23:46:32Z

Nathaniel: Link to Edit War reporting thread

Disagreements on LifeWiki are normal. LifeWiki users are expected to engage in good faith to resolve their disputes, and must not [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground personalise disputes]. Many disputes can be resolved without external input, through gradual editing, discussion, and attempts to understand the legitimate objections of others.

==Resolving a dispute==
When a dispute arises between LifeWiki users, the following procedure should be followed:

# Try to resolve it yourselves. Discuss amongst yourselves to see if you can find a common ground. If relevant or possible, improve the content under dispute to the point where it is no longer under dispute, rather than just reverting and/or removing it.
# If an agreement cannot be found among yourselves, post on the [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=16 LifeWiki discussion] forum for feedback from other members of the community. Try to reach a consensus about the appropriate course of action.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:DISENGAGE Disengage]. Most situations are not actually urgent; there are no deadlines on LifeWiki, and perfection is not required. If you are still not happy with the outcome after the previous two steps, leave the dispute for at least a week.
# If the conflict is still not resolved, you can contact a [[LifeWiki:Moderators|moderator]] (alternatively, post in [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6221 this forum thread]) and ask them to make an executive decision . Point them to the thread created in Step 2 and any additional context that may be needed to understand the dispute. By getting a moderator involved, you are asking them to decide what happens – please try to live with whatever that decision is. If you disagree with their decision, do ''not'' revert their actions on the wiki.
# Disengage. Again, for at least a week. The result of most disputes will not critically affect the lifeblood of LifeWiki. Disengage and consider whether the time and energy spent on this dispute is worth it, or could be better spent improving things elsewhere on the wiki.
# If you disagree with the moderator's decision and it seems like an important enough issue to escalate, you can message another moderator for a second opinion. If they disagree with the decision or action of the moderator from Step 4, the moderators will hold a private vote among themselves to decide the course of action. Moderators will normally have one week to vote. The result of the vote will be communicated in the thread from Step 2, that thread will be locked, and the matter will be considered closed.

==External links==
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Negotiation Wikipedia:Negotiation]

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2023-11-12T23:34:56Z

Nathaniel: Added LW:Dispute resolution

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LifeWiki:Dispute resolution

2023-11-12T23:34:17Z

Nathaniel: NavBox

Disagreements on LifeWiki are normal. LifeWiki users are expected to engage in good faith to resolve their disputes, and must not [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground personalise disputes]. Many disputes can be resolved without external input, through gradual editing, discussion, and attempts to understand the legitimate objections of others.

==Resolving a dispute==
When a dispute arises between LifeWiki users, the following procedure should be followed:

# Try to resolve it yourselves. Discuss amongst yourselves to see if you can find a common ground. If relevant or possible, improve the content under dispute to the point where it is no longer under dispute, rather than just reverting and/or removing it.
# If an agreement cannot be found among yourselves, post on the [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=16 LifeWiki discussion] forum for feedback from other members of the community. Try to reach a consensus about the appropriate course of action.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:DISENGAGE Disengage]. Most situations are not actually urgent; there are no deadlines on LifeWiki, and perfection is not required. If you are still not happy with the outcome after the previous two steps, leave the dispute for at least a week.
# If the conflict is still not resolved, you can contact a [[LifeWiki:Moderators|moderator]] and ask them to make an executive decision. Point them to the thread created in Step 2 and any additional context that may be needed to understand the dispute. By getting a moderator involved, you are asking them to decide what happens – please try to live with whatever that decision is. If you disagree with their decision, do ''not'' revert their actions on the wiki.
# Disengage. Again, for at least a week. The result of most disputes will not critically affect the lifeblood of LifeWiki. Disengage and consider whether the time and energy spent on this dispute is worth it, or could be better spent improving things elsewhere on the wiki.
# If you disagree with the moderator's decision and it seems like an important enough issue to escalate, you can message another moderator for a second opinion. If they disagree with the decision or action of the moderator from Step 4, the moderators will hold a private vote among themselves to decide the course of action. Moderators will normally have one week to vote. The result of the vote will be communicated in the thread from Step 2, that thread will be locked, and the matter will be considered closed.

==External links==
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Negotiation Wikipedia:Negotiation]

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LifeWiki:Deletion policy

2023-11-12T23:33:52Z

Nathaniel: Administrator -> moderator

:'' "LW:DELETION" and "LW:DP" redirect here.''

The '''deletion policy''' describes how articles and media that do not meet the content criteria for [[LifeWiki:About|LifeWiki]] are identified and removed. All content here is governed by a standard of quality. Some of the standards include encyclopedic quality, editorial approach, and content copyright. Content that is capable of abiding by these standards can usually be improved upon by editing. However, when content is incapable of meeting inclusion criteria or is in breach of site policy, it should be deleted.

When an article is deleted, the article and its revision history are removed from view. Unlike page blanking, which can be done by any user, deletion can only be done by [[LifeWiki:Moderators|moderators]].

==Deletion process==
There are two main processes for deletion that are described below. After you decide which process is right for the article involved, place the appropriate template on the top of the page with the reason why you feel the page should be deleted if required. People may comment on the request during the lag time before deletion on the talk page of the page being deleted.

{| class="wikitable"
! Process
! Required Lag
! Template Used
! Description
|-
| [[#Speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]]
| None
| {{[[Template:Speedydeletion|speedydeletion]]}}
| For pure vandalism, complete nonsense, or other pages that can be instantly deleted.
|-
| [[#Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]]
| Fourteen days
| {{[[Template:Delete|delete]]}}
| For pages that are contested for deletion but whose deletion would be potentially controversial.
|}

===Speedy deletion===
Speedy deletion is a deletion process that governs the deletion of articles and media that [[LifeWiki:Moderators|moderators]] can delete "on-sight" without further debate. Non-moderators can request a page be speedily deleted by adding the tag {{[[Template:Speedydeletion|speedydeletion]]|''reason for deletion''}} at the top of an article, which will place the page in the category for speedy deletion candidates. The candidates for speedy deletion can be found at [[:Category:Speedy deletion]].

====Criteria for speedy deletion====
An article can be speedily deleted only if it falls under one of the criteria listed below. If there is any possible doubt whether or not a page should be speedily deleted, then the page should be listed as described under for [[#Proposed deletion|proposed deletion]] instead.

# '''Pure vandalism''' that was created in attempt to harm the site, including SPAM.
# '''Complete nonsense''' and gibberish pages that contain no meaningful content.
# '''Test pages''' created by new users experimenting with the wiki.
# '''Attack pages''' that serve no useful purpose but to assault their subject.
# '''Blatant copyright infringements''' should be speedily deleted only if
## The article was unquestionably copied from the website of a well-known content provider,
## The article and its entire history, excluding tag inclusions and minor edits, contains only copyright violation material, ''and''
## The editor of the content does not assert that the content was copied with permission nor claims fair use.
# '''Redirects''' should be speedily deleted if they are orphaned ''and'' meet at least one of the following criteria:
## The redirect was created as a result of a typo,
## The redirect is broken, meaning that it links to an article that does not exist or was deleted, ''or''
## The redirect now points from the main namespace to a user page as a result of a page being moved between namespaces.
# '''Emergency actions'''. Moderators can speedily delete pages temporarily in response to potential legal problems or exceptional controversy.

;Images
# '''Corrupted or empty images.'''
# '''Redundant images''' that have another copy that is of the same or better quality and of the same image file format.

;User Pages
# '''User request.''' User sub pages can be speedily deleted upon request from user whose user space the page lies under.
# '''Non-existent users''', when there is a user page or user talk page and no user to match these pages.

===Proposed deletion===
Proposed deletion is a deletion process for the deletion of uncontroversial pages that do not meet the criteria for [[#Speedy deletion|speedy deletion]]. The purpose of this process is to provide a chance for other editors to look over the proposal and ensure that reasons to keep the page have not been overlooked.

To propose an article for the proposed deletion process, add the {{[[Template:Delete|delete]]|''reason for deletion''}} tag onto the top of the article. These pages can be deleted after 14 days if the proposed deletion goes uncontested or there is a general consensus that the page should be deleted.

The candidates for proposed deletion can be found at [[:Category:Pending deletion]].

====Criteria for proposed deletion====
These are some examples of when a page may be deleted.

{| class="wikitable"
! width="25%" | Problem with page
! width="75%" | Possible solution
|-
| The article is redundant to another established article that discusses the same topic.
| If possible, merge and redirect the redundant article to the established article. Alternatively, consider redirection only if there is no useful content that can be merged and if the page would be useful as a redirect. If the content cannot be used and the article would not be useful as a redirect, list the page for [[#Proposed deletion|proposed deletion]].
|-
| The article is not [[LifeWiki:Notability|notable]].
| If possible, add sources as references to establish notability of the given article. If such sources can not be found, add the {{[[Template:Notability|notability]]}} tag to the top of the page. If that tag has been on a page for over 30 days and no progress toward establishing notability has been made, add the {{[[Template:Delete|delete]]|This article is not notable}} template to the top of the page. Whether or not the article should be deleted will then be determined by consensus on the article's talk page.
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==Procedure for moderators==
The deleting moderator has the final authority to determine whether or not an article should be deleted or not. Because of this, the moderator also has the responsibility to verify the legitimacy of a request and the support of the request before deleting the article.

If you are the deciding moderator in determining whether or not a page should be deleted:
# Check the history to see if the article has been marked for the appropriate length of time.
# Review the article's discussion page/deletion review entry and ensure that all votes are legitimate and check for contests.
# If you agree that the article should be deleted, delete the article giving an informative reason for deletion and noting the deletion process used.
# If you disagree that the article should be deleted, remove the tag and explain why you disagree with the deletion proposal.

==Undeletion==
When a moderator deletes an article, it does not become lost forever – it simply becomes archived so only moderators can see them. Because undeletion requests are uncommon, there is no official process for requesting undeletion. For this reason, undeletion requests should be made directly to a [[LifeWiki:Moderator|moderator]]. A moderator can either undelete an entire article or partially undelete an article.

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LifeWiki:Moderators

2023-11-12T23:30:47Z

Nathaniel: Link to LW:Dispute resolution

'''Moderators''', also known as '''sysops''' (and formerly known as '''Administrators'''), are users who have special tools that aid them in the maintenance of the site. These users may be recommended by the community and are promoted at the discretion of [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]]. They have the ability to protect and delete pages, block malicious users, and undo these actions as well. By default, moderators are appointed for life, but may step down at any time.

This is a list of the current Moderators of LifeWiki (an automatically-generated list is also available from [[Special:Listusers/sysop]]). If you need to tell them something or request their services, feel free to [[LifeWiki:Contact|contact]] one of them.

* [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|Talk]]) – ''Site administrator''
* [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|Talk]])
* [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|Talk]])
* [[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] ([[User talk:Sokwe|Talk]])
* [[User:Apple_Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple_Bottom|Talk]])
* [[User:Ian07|Ian07]] ([[User talk:Ian07|Talk]])

Moderators have a few more permissions than [[LifeWiki:Editors|Editors]] on the wiki. Most notably, Moderators can [[LifeWiki:Dispute_resolution|moderate disputes]] and issue bans/warnings while Editors cannot.

== Moderator responsibilities ==
The community looks to moderators to perform essential chores and tasks that require the extra tools that moderators are entrusted with. These duties include:
* '''Deleting pages''': Moderator are responsible for monitoring the [[:Category:Pending deletion|Marked for deletion]] category and carrying out any requested deletions.
** All deletions should be in accordance with the LifeWiki's [[LifeWiki:Deletion policy|deletion policy]].
* '''Blocking users''': Moderator are able to block users in cases where it is necessary to prevent damage to the site. Vandalism is an example of a reason to block.
* '''Protecting pages''': Some pages on the wiki are [[:LifeWiki:Protection policy|protected]].
* '''Editing protected pages''': Any edits to fully protected pages need to be made by moderators. These pages include:
** [[Main Page]] - The main page of LifeWiki
** [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] - The style sheet that determines the overall appearance of all LifeWiki pages
** [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] - The list of links shown on the left-hand side of all LifeWiki pages
Finally, since moderators are expected to be experienced with the procedures of LifeWiki, editors will often turn to one when they need information or advice.

== Moderator conflicts ==
Moderators should not override or undo another's administrative actions; any such action can lead to a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wheel_war wheel war]. This includes deleting official warnings or notifications placed on a user's talk page; however, another moderator may choose to add their own comments to a user talk page (e.g., for emphasis, clarification, or to point out an overlooked circumstance). This does not apply in cases where there have been new developments since the first action was taken: for example, if one moderator warned a user about inappropriate behaviour (first action), and the user then resumed the behaviour (new developments), any moderator may then proceed to take further action (i.e., blocking) against the user. Also, this does not apply to regular contributions (such as routine editing) done by a moderator; the standard etiquette that applies to all editors should be used for any non-administrative types of contributions.

If a moderator has a disagreement with another moderator's actions, it is recommended that a discussion be started on that moderator's talk page: ask why the first moderator chose that course of action, and point out what other alternatives there may have been (in particular whether any policies apply). If the first moderator agrees, it should be left up to the first moderator to undo their own actions. If there is no existing policy covering the situation, or the policy is ambiguous, a more general discussion involving the rest of the community may be needed to try to establish an appropriate policy.

If you believe that another moderator has in some way undone one of your administrative actions, it is best to assume that the moderator was not aware of your previous action. Do not override the new action; instead, explain the situation to the other moderator and follow the same guidelines as in the previous paragraph.

If two moderators can not reach an agreement on what is appropriate, other moderators may be asked to provide their opinion on the situation. As a last resort, Nathaniel can be asked to provide arbitration.

== See also ==
* [[LifeWiki:Dispute resolution]]

==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators Wikipedia:Administrators] – Wikipedia's article about moderators and their roles
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_how-to_guide How-to guide for administrators] at Wikipedia
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_reading_list Reading list for administrators] at Wikipedia

LifeWiki:Dispute resolution

2023-11-12T23:29:41Z

Nathaniel: Page creation

Disagreements on LifeWiki are normal. LifeWiki users are expected to engage in good faith to resolve their disputes, and must not [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground personalise disputes]. Many disputes can be resolved without external input, through gradual editing, discussion, and attempts to understand the legitimate objections of others.

==Resolving a dispute==
When a dispute arises between LifeWiki users, the following procedure should be followed:

# Try to resolve it yourselves. Discuss amongst yourselves to see if you can find a common ground. If relevant or possible, improve the content under dispute to the point where it is no longer under dispute, rather than just reverting and/or removing it.
# If an agreement cannot be found among yourselves, post on the [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=16 LifeWiki discussion] forum for feedback from other members of the community. Try to reach a consensus about the appropriate course of action.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:DISENGAGE Disengage]. Most situations are not actually urgent; there are no deadlines on LifeWiki, and perfection is not required. If you are still not happy with the outcome after the previous two steps, leave the dispute for at least a week.
# If the conflict is still not resolved, you can contact a [[LifeWiki:Moderators|moderator]] and ask them to make an executive decision. Point them to the thread created in Step 2 and any additional context that may be needed to understand the dispute. By getting a moderator involved, you are asking them to decide what happens – please try to live with whatever that decision is. If you disagree with their decision, do ''not'' revert their actions on the wiki.
# Disengage. Again, for at least a week. The result of most disputes will not critically affect the lifeblood of LifeWiki. Disengage and consider whether the time and energy spent on this dispute is worth it, or could be better spent improving things elsewhere on the wiki.
# If you disagree with the moderator's decision and it seems like an important enough issue to escalate, you can message another moderator for a second opinion. If they disagree with the decision or action of the moderator from Step 4, the moderators will hold a private vote among themselves to decide the course of action. Moderators will normally have one week to vote. The result of the vote will be communicated in the thread from Step 2, that thread will be locked, and the matter will be considered closed.

==External links==
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Negotiation Wikipedia:Negotiation]

MediaWiki:Sidebar

2023-11-10T22:11:07Z

Nathaniel: Tiki Bar -> LifeWiki discussion

LifeWiki:Tiki bar

2023-11-10T22:10:01Z

Nathaniel: LifeWiki discussions forum

[[File:Taka Tiki Break 250.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Taka Tiki Break]]
<div style="clear: both; float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-top: 1em">__TOC__</div>
'''Welcome, one and all, to the Tiki bar!''' This page is used to discuss the technical issues, policies, and operations of the LifeWiki. Or just sit down, relax, and enjoy a cocktail.

<div style="font-size:1.4em;text-align:center" class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:LifeWiki:Tiki bar|action=edit&section=new}} Click here to start a new Tiki bar discussion.]</div>

==Welcome to the Tiki bar==
Wikipedia has the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump Village pump], Wiktionary has the [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour Beer parlour], but the LifeWiki's lacked a central page for discussion so far other than [[User talk:Nathaniel]]. So I took the liberty to create the Tiki bar to facilitate discussion in a friendly and relaxed atmosphere. Welcome! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

==Archived discussions==
:''Note: active discussions are never archived while still active.''

* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2016]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2016.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2017]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2017.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2018]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2018.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2019]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2019.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2020]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2020.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2021]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2021.
* See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2022]] for Tiki bar discussions started in 2022.

== Redirects from misspelling ==

I fail to see why redirects from misspellings are prohibited. [[User:Atavoidirc|Atavoidirc]] ([[User talk:Atavoidirc|talk]]) 21:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

: I think there are too many possible ways to misspell something (just multiply the number of letters in the title by (number of letters in the alphabet - 1) and on top of that add misspellings that add/remove/exchange letters), so that it becomes unreasonable to make redirects for them. For another example, should "jrake" be redirected to [[rake]], or to [[krake]] (note that letters j and k are adjacent on a common keyboard layout), or maybe to a disambiguation page created specifically for the purpose of distinguishing possible misspellings? ''Some'' redirects for really common misspellings may be acceptable - but I think it is necessary to show explicitly that these misspellings are indeed common, and there are few such cases.
: In any case, I do not think it is helpful to quickly make dozens of redirects for misspellings - it clutters the logs of recent changes for editors, and it does not seem a noticeable improvement for readers. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
: (Added later) Although the following does not necessarily imply anything specific (I think the wiki should not promote an incorrect spelling, even if it becomes common), here are results of a quick forum search: "candelfobra" - 0 matches, "candlefobra" - 0 matches, "candelfrobra" - 16 matches, "[[candlefrobra]]" - 36 matches. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 12:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

:: Personally i think redirects from misspellings that are not just typos (e.g. Candelfobra) should be allowed. I've made this specific misspelling several times before, so i know at least one person who would benefit from it. [[User:Atavoidirc|Atavoidirc]] ([[User talk:Atavoidirc|talk]]) 11:25, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

::: My vote would definitely be to not add misspelling-redirects, and to remove any that have been added. We've already got lots of spelling and punctuation ''variants'' showing up in the [https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=Strict+still-life&to=&namespace=0 All Pages lists], and those lists will get extremely cluttered if we also add every possible misspelling of every article name -- or even every reasonable misspelling.

::: Of course there's a checkbox to hide redirects, but the problem I see is that current policy is fairly consistent about having redirects be valid variant spellings -- terms that people have actually used or might actually use.

::: So if we add things like "Suprise", we're kind of implying that "suprise" is a valid name that someone has used for something. People might click on it thinking, "what's that, a pun on 'sup' so it's some kind of eater?" and then mysteriously find no explanation of why "suprise" is listed. I'd much rather avoid that unlikely potential confusion, than avoid the unlikely potential confusion that someone can't find the [[Surprise]] article because they typed "suprise".

::: In other words, given that the lexicon of Life terms includes all kinds of things like "Catagolue" that '''look''' like misspellings but are actually completely purposeful and have meaning... there's useful information in the current collection of redirects, and it's not an improvement to add a random scattering of misspellings that are really just misspellings. People can perfectly well figure out how to spell "surprise" right, in the incredibly rare cases when they accidentally mistype it and don't get a LifeWiki article match. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 14:59, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

: (Replying here to a message left at [[Talk:T-tetsons]], since it is possible that that talk page will be deleted later:) I do not see why "T-tetsons" or "T-tetson" should mean something specific. There is a page [[Tumbling T-tetson]] on this wiki, and there is an entry "tumbling T-tetson" in Life Lexicon. There is a page [[Twirling T-tetsons 2]] on this wiki, and there is an entry "twirling T-tetsons II" in Life Lexicon. However, I cannot find "T-tetson" or "T-tetsons" ''by itself'' in Life Lexicon. On the forums, the only example I found which might be related is in the thread "Help with names" ([https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2333 link]) where there was an attempt to translate a set of words/terms into another language. I think that "T-tetsons" does not by itself mean anything at all, so I proposed the redirect for deletion. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

===2023===
This tiki bar discussion did not finish in 2022. I think it is incomplete (for one thing, it implicitly assumes that everyone knows what this is about). Before this discussion started, several redirects-from-misspellings [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?target=Atavoidirc&namespace=all&tagfilter=mw-new-redirect&start=&end=&limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions were created] in a short timespan, without any edit summaries or other explanation. Overall, this looks like trying to anticipate misspellings before these misspellings actually happen. I do not support making lots of redirects "just in case". But one added or removed redirect does not globally change anything. I think drawing the attention of everyone to redirects is unfortunate, because the wiki is about writing pages that describe or explain something -- redirects are a relatively minor feature, and ideally should "just work" without becoming the focus of a tiki bar discussion. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 11:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

== Proposed deletion of redirects from personal names to pages about a different subject ==

There is a number of redirects from names of people to pages that are not about the person ([[Alain Noels]], [[Christiaan Hartman]], [[Kees Kwekkeboom]], [[Roger Banks]], [[Steven Eker]], and likely more). I propose that such redirects be deleted.

I believe it is unacceptable to have an imprecise redirect from a personal name. That may incorrectly suggest that the person is known only for one specific contribution (the one mentioned on the target page of the redirect), and also does not provide any context before directing the reader to another subject.

I think either there should be a separate non-redirect page for a person, or (less preferable) a redirect to a category for discoveries made by the person, or there should be no page at all (i.e. no redirect to anything). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

:Good issue to raise. It would be good to have an explicit "policy" about such things. I think we also need a similar agreement about whether and when a person should be linked at all even if there is little likelihood of the link ever having a landing (I'm thinking mainly of well-aged red links). [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 23:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

:: In general, I like red links; they are a very simple lightweight way to tell other editors "This page is missing", and they interact nicely with other available tools. Speaking of pages '''about people''' specifically (and excluding all other LifeWiki topics), I'm inclined to agree that it's probably better to unlink long-missing pages about people. My reason is that such pages are harder to write, and the usual simple "process" of starting a short stub to be expanded later does not really work when writing about a person. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 05:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Redirects from names do suggest that the person is notable for a single contribution given overview on the page for said contribution; I see no reason to believe that in any current case is that suggestion incorrect. Nor do I see any current case where one of the first two options Confocal gives as being suitable: any personal page would only function as an elaborate soft redirect that gives no real improvement over the page it points to in giving context; and the current cases concern people who have only discovered patterns that do not have their own pages, or no patterns of note at all, thus leaving no viable pages to be put in the proposed categories. Indeed, for the latter redirects to content pages are not being made over redirects to categories, but only when no category can be created in the first place.

The question now becomes whether the redirects are worth keeping around at all or if they should be deleted. I don't think they should be deleted. The purpose of a redirect is to provide a listing on the wiki for a subject that is notable enough to need one, without creating an unexpandable stub page. Are they notable enough for the listings? I'd say they are. [[Alain Noels]], [[Christiaan Hartman]] and [[Kees Kwekkeboom]] are co-discoverers of multiple record-breaking examples of a significant mathematical concept in CA, and of course it's hard to overstate the importance of Golly and by extension [[Maks Verver]]. Any notable potential page subject can be reasonably expected to be looked up in the wiki, and any missing listing of a notable potential page subject is an opportunity for a reader to not find what they're looking for. Rewording may be necessary to accomodate linking to redirects whose target pages cannot optimally discuss their intended subjects and any redirects, but one way or another the redirects to content pages will have to stay redirects to content pages.

That being said, the page [[Alain Noels]], [[Christiaan Hartman]] and [[Kees Kwekkeboom]] redirect to does nothing to explain their contribution to the CA scene, not even mentioning them by name. The content they are associated with also appears quite far below the beginning of the section; readers may well assume they are included in the first et al. rather than the second, correct one. I propose that they instead redirect to [[Marijn Heule]], which does an effective job of explaining their contribution and providing a keyword [[Garden of Eden 6]] which readers can use to identify the correct entry of the table, in lieu of any of the options explored prior. [[User:Bubblegum|Bubblegum]] ([[User talk:Bubblegum|talk]]) 16:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

: I agree with Bubblegum's second paragraph and like the suggestion in the last paragraph. At the moment I'm not particularly in favor of deleting any of the name-to-topic redirects that I've looked at so far. This is kind of an old topic, by the way, getting revisited now that more people might be having a look at dealing with accumulated pending deletions -- so I think some of the names linked above are no longer problematic (e.g., [[Roger Banks]] and [[Steven Eker]]).

: For another example where I'd rather not delete: [[Maks Verver]] seems fine to redirect to [[Golly Gang]], just the way it's done now. The Golly Gang page lists Maks as a member in a nice clear way, so the redirect isn't a mystery... and that's pretty much the extent of what the community knows about Maks at the moment. I can maybe add "joined the Golly Gang in 2010, bringing Linux expertise and helping with build issues". If more is learned in the future, we can always create an article to hold it. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 17:02, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

== Usage of a non-default viewer theme ==

I added to several pages patterns that use <tt><nowiki>#C [[ THEME Book ]]</nowiki></tt> (this viewer theme is related to [[Conway's Game of Life: Mathematics and Construction|the book]]), as an attempt to understand how to improve presentation of patterns in pages. (For my edits adding this theme, see current versions of pages [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Lightweight_spaceship&oldid=116360 LWSS], [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Middleweight_spaceship&oldid=116358 MWSS], [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Heavyweight_spaceship&oldid=116373 HWSS], [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Blockic&oldid=116372 Blockic].) I chose this theme because I like how it displays "off" cells that were "on" differently from cells that were always "off", in the same way as in the patterns printed in the book.

The first (more specific) question here is: '''does <tt><nowiki>#C [[ THEME Book ]]</nowiki></tt> look fine in the LifeWiki?''' Is it a good idea to optionally use this LifeViewer theme, in those cases when it seems preferable to display history trail? Or it is better to stick with the default theme everywhere without exceptions?

I note that there was already [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Heavyweight_spaceship&diff=116368&oldid=116362 an objection] to one of my edits, on the grounds of consistency with the rest of the wiki. However, I think presentation of patterns across the wiki is currently already inconsistent in several distinct ways. For instance, sometimes static images are used - and that may be preferable in some cases but not others. Another example is that {{tl|EmbedViewer}} is used often but not everywhere - again, there may be good valid reasons for that. Hence a second, less specific question: '''how to improve presentation of patterns in the wiki?'''

Any feedback to the above? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

: Yes to theme Book (no pun intended). Good choice for the reasons and usage you state. [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 17:45, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

: I personally think that themes with history cells should be avoided on the wiki except in cases where the history cells provide a substantial benefit in understanding the pattern. With regard to the consistency issues mentioned above, many pages have static images because they were created before LifeViewer existed. Sometimes [[LV:viewer]] is used because {{tl|EmbedViewer}} adds an additional frame and caption that is not always desired. Neither of these represents inconsistency in how the wiki is currently updated. 
:~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 01:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

: Since [[42P38]] has seen some edits trying to work out a standard for galleries, I want to also leave a comment regarding the use of the book theme on that page. I think the book theme should be used with the LCM oscillators, as it shows that the sparks of the two oscillators interact. However, I don't think the book theme provides sufficiently useful information in the honeyfarm hassler viewer to justify its use. I prefer that we err on the side of not using the book theme as it, in my opinion, clutters the image. In fact, I think when the book theme is used we should mention that the viewer includes the pattern's [[envelope]]. ~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 07:13, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

:: I added mentions of the pattern envelope in the article, without changing visibility of envelopes. That p38 hassler is composed of interacting subpatterns, and (I think) it becomes easier to see "how it works", when the envelope is visible. (If the general agreement for that oscillator is that envelope does not provide substantial benefit, I will not object -- but it would be strange for me to remove it, given that I added it myself and I think it's useful.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 14:49, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

::: I think the animation, or the user running the pattern in the viewer themselves, is sufficient to show how the components interact in the honey farm hassler. In contrast, the LCM viewers are not animated and the interaction occurs rarely so understanding the exact interaction without history cells takes more time and effort by the user. The history cells work well for the LCM viewers. I still think they cause unnecessary clutter in the honey farm hassler viewer. I too will submit to the popular view if it disagrees with my own. If we care to find out what that is, we will probably need to ask on the forums or Discord. ~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 19:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

One of "use cases" where I was changing the theme is when history cells make it easier to see how ''a certain pattern is composed of smaller parts''. For oscillating patterns, currently available features of LifeViewer make it possible to show the reaction envelope, by auto-running the pattern for one complete cycle (with history cells enabled) and then auto-stopping. In [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=125635 p8 glider reflector], it seems to help to see how a p128 oscillator is made out of two 180° reflectors. I used the same technique in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=125316 p143 Bandersnatch loop] to show how catalysts are arranged relative to the reaction. There are other pages where I used "THEME Book + AUTOSTART + STOP" combination to show reaction envelopes. Would this be considered a valid use case? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 02:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Another common "use case" is when showing ''a complete glider synthesis of a pattern''. I think it becomes significantly easier to understand an animated synthesis (i.e. to see "how it works") if gliders leave traces behind them, and pauses are inserted in appropriate points. An example of this usage can be seen in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Amphisbaena&oldid=124776 Amphisbaena]. If anyone is interested, I think I can write a more detailed explaination for how I was formatting glider syntheses with the "Book" theme -- I'm trying to be reasonably consistent with syntheses. Thanks for any feedback. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 02:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

== Creating pages in the OCA namespace ==

<s>As we all know,</s> well maybe not, but that's not important, I have an incomplete OCA:LeapLife page, currently under my user namespace. I'm considering completing it and moving it to the OCA namespace soon, and I would like to 1. know if there's any objection to it. 2. Know what makes an OCA rule notable enough to have an entry in LifeWiki.

Additionally, it was once planned to create some subpages under OCA:LeapLife, to document the many patterns of LeapLife. 3. Is this acceptable, and will this cause any trouble to the LifeWiki? [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 08:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

: I support the idea. If in doubt about whether the page is well-written / well-formatted / up-to-date / etc., the template {{tl|stub}} can always be added on the top of the page, as a lightweight way to indicate that it may need expansion. Subpages are already used - see for example [[OCA:HighLife/Bomber]], [[OCA:Pedestrian Life/List of common objects]]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

::I am fine with the proposal in the description, but not with the proposal in the title — the OCA namespace is there for a reason, and if pages on specific OCA pages are moved to mainspace, it will cause confusion over what exists in CGOL itself and what doesn't. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 11:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

:::Apologies - fixed now. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 11:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

[[User:Ultimium/OCA:LeapLife]] is halfway now. Do anyone have suggestions? Especially what to say in the Oscillators section.

: Is the current version considered ready to be moved to the OCA namespace? I do not want to move it without making sure that main contributor(s) are okay with that. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 03:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

: If anyone thinks the page is good enough to be moved in its current state, move it. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 09:50, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

:: I just did a round of editing. I'm not yet moving the page right now -- will wait for others a few days. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 11:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

::: I see that you added a note about [[trans-very long fuse with two tails]] appearing naturally. I think in this case I would rather correct the inaccurate information in the article outright, instead of making the page self-contradictory; I've already done the appropriate edit now. Unrelatedly, I noticed that hotdogPi keep adding trivias (like the block corner catalysis) to the page. I don't think reverting someone else' contribution is polite, but I can think of quite a few things that are as noteworthy as the block catalysis, so maybe they shouldn't appear on an overview article of LeapLife. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 03:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

:::: Is it possible to expand that part into a section on catalyses and other reactions in LeapLife, based on what is currently known? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

::::: If someone is interested in doing so (without going into too much details), go for it. (And indeed there are a non-zero amount of catalysts in LeapLife, if not much.) I would hestitate to mention reactions that are essentially due to the B2n or S3-q, though. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 02:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Looks like there are a few to-be-done sections now. Since I don't know much of writing wiki pages, is anyone interested to help me? [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 01:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

: A problem that I encountered while making the methuselah list: Do we usually remove non-interacting cells for methuselahs from soup search? Especially when no one has done the minimalization at that time. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 02:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

===A modest proposal===

Any objections to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold boldly] moving the LeapLife page to the OCA namespace? This would make it beneficial to the wide public of people interested in LeapLife (and not just relatively few enthusiasts who already know where to look). Then further discussion of incompleteness/improvements can go directly on the talk page of the article. (And this Tiki bar section would gradually become inactive and go to archives.) Of course, one might say that the page is incomplete -- but then again, I doubt there are many "complete" articles on LifeWiki. In some sense everything here is a work-in-progress. Even seemingly "mission-critical" articles like [[Conway's Game of Life]] or {{rl|HighLife}} are incomplete, in the sense that I can imagine how those pages could be expanded further. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 03:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

: I would prefer to fill in all the "(TODO)"s first. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 04:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

: Additionally, I would like to hear other people's opinion on the content. There is currently a lack of discussion. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 04:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

:: Re "(TODO)"s: understood -- I just wanted to say that this discussion could potentially continue indefinitely long, because it's always possible to improve something. Re: lack of discussion: this is usual (and I think it's to be expected) for on-wiki discussions. There are often few (if any) quick responses. Partly this is because the community is small, and even fewer people have LifeWiki accounts. Partly this may be because the content of the article could just as well be discussed on its talk page over time -- Tiki bar is probably best reserved for "large-scale" questions that are relevant to multiple different pages, or the way the website functions, etc. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 04:30, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

::: Indeed; If you think it might be appropiate to move this discussion to [[User talk:Ultimium/OCA:LeapLife]] and/or continue the discussion about the page on [[User talk:Ultimium/OCA:LeapLife]], I would do so. The lack of discussion is not just applicable to this page; I think not many pages on LifeWiki took comparable effort to most articles on Wikipedia. That might be because the nature of LifeWiki, most articles are stubs and it is a stub because there are not much to write about it. But I definitely would like to see more well-written pages with people discussing. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 06:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)\

I would prefer to have someone else to move the page, but since no one is replying, I'm doing the next best thing: If no one objects or make major changes to the page, I'm moving it to the OCA namespace. [[User:Ultimium|Ultimium]] ([[User talk:Ultimium|talk]]) 05:20, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

: I went ahead and moved it, just to keep anyone else from agonizing over it further. I left a redirect for now, since there are some leftover links to it multiple places. (If you did move it yourself, then someone ''might'' complain about that, citing the "don't document your discoveries" guideline -- even though several other people did in fact significantly contribute to the LeapLife article. However, now a mere mention of "don't document your own stuff" will not suffice; any further objection would have to be an objection to my judgment call.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:01, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

==Regarding the censuses==
Many pages for stable objects, such as [[Octagon 2]], state their commonness with their rank among all objects in Achim Flammenkamp's census, then their rank among only oscillators in Catagolue. Is the reason for this that infinite-growth patterns are excluded in Achim's census, or that it's meant to be more representative of the dynamics of ash in an infinite non-sparse universe? Is this truly worth it having (at present) <tt>(159214128553422*162)/(1829196*20482)>5312</tt> times fewer initial random cells simulated and <tt>(159214128553422*162)/(1829196*20482*(-(1-0.375)*log2(1-0.375)-0.375*log2(0.375)))>5566</tt> times fewer bits of entropy?

Should this information, when only given in the form of a commonness rank (and sometimes also expected number of soups per occurrence), have an infobox section instead?

Also, speaking of which, what should be done with the pages for strict still lifes with the sections stating that all with sufficiently few cells (including them) are known to be constructible within a maximum number of gliders? These aren't useful, surely, to duplicate information so much, can we assume that people looking for this information (that is numerical and conducive to being presented in tabular form) will go to Catagolue instead? Especially those with apgcode-only titles, pages here aren't necessary for lookup by conventional name if they have none. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 13:51, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

: Re: infobox -- my preference would be to leave the commonness/occurrence information in plain text. The infoboxes are already long enough, so that they often conflict with sufficiently wide viewers not fitting to the left of the infobox, and it is sometimes necessary to reorder sections to avoid that conflict. As a consequence, I'd prefer not to make infoboxes even taller than they are. Stating what is known in the text also gives more flexibility. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 14:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
: Re: synthesis -- the glider synthesis sections of pages could contain information not only about the current cheapest synthesis cost, but also historical information about when the synthesis was found, and also about previously known / alternate syntheses. Here is an example: [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Krake&oldid=118147 Krake]. I'm slowly adding this kind of information to pages. I think this is useful and interesting to readers - instead of just the cheapest glider cost, show the syntheses themselves and tell when/how these were found. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 14:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

==Should LifeWiki be more like the chessprogramming wiki?==
It contains things like [https://www.chessprogramming.org/Algorithms an article on general algorithms] and others on things like bitwise operators (that don't pertain inherently to the nature of the problem it documents (playing chess as well as possible with finite resources), but are useful to human endeavours to solve it), should we have some (covering things that arise frequently enough in the study or implementation of cellular automata to be worth detailing with more specifics than Wikipedia) also?

Specifically, should there be pages here with contents of at least some of the sections of [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators]], in the instructive style of the other tutorial pages on how to set up and use various other software? Perhaps also one on writing simple row-based search programs that find oscillators and spaceships in equivalent multistate Wolfram rules for given widths in 2D ones. If we had one explaining the idea of [https://gist.github.com/DavidBuchanan314/acae2aab38953759aacc114b417ed0b9 David Buchanan's simulator] (not the specifics of the conversion to YUV4MPEG but the simulation, using it as a basis for teaching (being that Python is a simple language to read, though it has doubtless been thought of before)), and perhaps even some of the ideas in [https://gist.github.com/DroneBetter/4f5d775e7c37f062ce750d4a8fefc84a my fork], perhaps such a page could link to [https://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html the Stanford bit-twiddling hacks] page (which may be of a great deal of interest to the kinds of people who'd be interested in such articles), or even an intermediate page here? I could create such an explanation of Buchanan's and my programs in my user area, then see whether it's deemed sufficiently useful to be moved to the mainspace, if anyone would like. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 01:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

: There are some forum discussions that seem relevant to the idea of documenting various interesting technical details of algorithms e.g. [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1792 Searching algorithms], [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=22858#p22858 Re: 3c/7 othogonal and 2c/9 diagonal spaceships], [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=136037#p136037 Re: Beta Reader Thread for Game of Life Textbook] and others. I personally like the idea -- if someone understands something and can explain it in words, why not do that? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 04:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

:: I don't know enough about those to do so (though I hope to one day), however I have made [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/bitwise SWAR Life]] (covering my program up to the three different simulation modes and implementation of manifolds), being that I have some more time on my hands now I think I will make another regarding the application of the Pólya enumeration theorem to implementing efficient indexing methods for binary matrices under symmetry eventually (after finishing and optimising and cleaning my program for that), if it's okay

:: Since the user Magma from the ConwayLife lounge taught me about the Pólya enumeration theorem, I made my "[https://github.com/DroneBetter/ChessPieceVision/blob/main/eightfold%20reducer.py eightfold reducer]" its own program (much was made when I was relatively new to Python and the rest only as a proof-of-concept, I will eventually get around to cleaning it up (optimising and reducing some things) and adding the rest of the class methods), it was originally only an implementation of my idea for exhaustively generating single canonical representations of nonequivalent states under symmetry in square boards (more efficiently than iterating over all states and discarding those that are not their own lexicographically-minimal orientation), but that I realised could have efficient indexing methods using the theorem, and I more recently made a "[https://gist.github.com/DroneBetter/90318584a0ad6a0f4d1c418d3da132cd dimensional INT enumerator]," originally for confirming the number of 3D Moore transitions in [[Isotropic_non-totalistic_cellular_automaton#Table_of_isotropic_non-totalistic_rulespaces|the INT rulespace table]] and supporting arbitrarily many dimensions but then today modified for returning closed forms for numbers of nonequivalent binary hypercubes in terms of width using the theorem, given a number of dimensions (see the comment on the gist for a brief explanation). Being that the first one only pertains to cellular automata slightly (ie. the indexing methods are useful for parallelisation, initialising the threads at the beginnings of different slices of the search space (that would be able to proceed through with the even more efficient next() method)) and the second only extremely tenuously (and to a more theoretical area of the study of cellular automata), would it be okay for me to make articles about their ideas (and explaining their implementations' specifics (such that the pages contains within them both a set of instructions to implement the idea and documentation of a functionally complete demonstration), like I did in the bitwise SWAR Life page)? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 03:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

::: I have made [[Pólya enumeration theorem]] and [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/eightfold reducer]] now :-) [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 17:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

== Attempting to show huge patterns in infoboxes ==

What is the current consensus on attempting to show huge patterns in infoboxes (with the alternative being to display the pattern in a viewer inside the text)? I am not sure whether changes like [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Traffic_lights_extruder&diff=121113&oldid=103147 this] or [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Spiral_growth&diff=121106&oldid=100868 this] are improvements. It seems like infoboxes work better for small patterns. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
: And some bigger patterns end up looking like smudged fingerprints in the infobox. But I think we need the categorization that follows from infobox, as well as the standard presentation. Maybe do both presentations? And while we're at it, maybe agree on a max width for whatever is shown to the left of an infobox? [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 17:55, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

:: I think it would be much better to have some reasonable '''upper limit on the width of the infobox itself''', to leave enough space for the main part of the page. The automatic categorization could in principle be done in a completely invisible way without enforcing any particular layout/presentation (e.g. see {{tl|Glossary}}). I'm not convinced that all pages need to be indiscriminately converted to infobox-based layout - being able to explain/describe/show the pattern in some reasonably good way is more important than any "standard presentation". Sufficiently large patterns simply do not fit well in the infobox. Some patterns may be better shown as images or schemes, and/or by explaining/describing/showing smaller components. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

::OK, I see the issue and the benefit. Hiding the infobox in these cases would be good, if 1)the data in the hidden infobox still functioned as usual in terms of all the things it triggers; 2) the article displayed important infobox data in its text. How does one do #1? [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 23:57, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

: No significant updates so far, just adding links back to related forum posts for future reference: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=158434#p158434 p158434] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=158438#p158438 p158438]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 05:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

==Regarding programming language syntax colouring support in code blocks==
It would greatly benefit [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/bitwise SWAR Life]] and [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/eightfold reducer]] if we were to have this. Also, how do I prevent linebreaks followed by indentation (which appear often in my programming, as you may expect) causing code blocks to generate others nested inside them? Neither <nowiki><pre> nor <code></nowiki> seem to allow this. And is there a way to have inline monospaced text (ie. without line breaks) like the Python docs? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 17:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

: Addendum: The second question's answer is <nowiki><tt></nowiki>, I have since learned. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 00:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
: What about <nowiki><blockquote><pre>...</pre></blockquote></nowiki>? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:58, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

<blockquote><pre>
class Thingy:
pass

def example():
print("Hello World!")
</pre></blockquote>

==Regarding "known" information==
For instance, [[List of period-2 oscillators with 17 cells]] says there are 199 known such oscillators, implying that the explicit examples provide only a lower boun, however [https://oeis.org/A056614 A056614](17)=199 and Mark Niemiec had a section of a page, entitled [https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/p2.htm#p2-17 The 199 seventeen-bit period 2 oscillators], do these count as sufficient sources in and of themselves or should a program be provided to act as proof of the nonexistence of any more? As mentioned above, I cited my program for the confirmation of the disputed number of 3D INT transitions in [[Isotropic non-totalistic cellular automaton#Table_of_isotropic_non-totalistic_rulespaces|the table]], should this be the convention for proofs of other such values that are given in pages but currently imply that they're only accurate to as far as is known and not objective?

I don't think the OEIS would add values not known to be correct (assuming no bugs in implementations), being that they say "Thousands of people use the sequence database every day. Please take great care that the terms you send are absolutely correct. The standards are those of a mathematics reference work." as you edit a sequence, but [https://oeis.org/A231427 A231427] was amended with the discovery of the rattlesnake, so perhaps not too rigorous when it comes to Life matters. {{unsigned|DroneBetter|21:55, 3 January 2023‎}}

: Added the two references to pages [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_period-2_oscillators_with_17_cells&diff=126123&oldid=121447 for 17 cells] and [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_period-2_oscillators_with_18_cells&diff=126124&oldid=121464 for 18 cells] -- these links seem to be useful as ways of helping the curious reader to find more information. I think it is safe to leave "known" in -- a computer program may have bugs, a mathematical proof may have gaps, and so on. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 05:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

: Related to "known", see also [[LifeWiki talk:Did you know/78#Proof of "the only still life"?]]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

== Single column vs Two columns of EmbedViewer ==

What is the reason to restrict layout to stacking all {{tl|EmbedViewer}} in a single column like [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Jason%27s_p33&curid=2480&diff=126035&oldid=126034 in this edit]? That could made the page overly long with much whitespace around. Well, I am not suggesting possibilities for three or more columns — which would made the page too wide — I am just curious about the case of two columns. [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 14:42, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
:Actually, I prefer three, which is what I use on my userpages. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 15:04, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

: The question in the first sentence appears to be about the specific edit. As explained in the edit summary, it is a revert to a single column. The reverted edit is a previous edit made by someone else ([https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=126024&oldid=111614 diff=126024&oldid=111614]), changing the layout from single column to double column, with false edit summary stating "The last version still looks too wide for me". The edit summary is false, because the edit made the gallery more wide, not less. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
: More generally for the main/OCA namespaces, single-column galleries are preferable, because a two-column gallery already does not fit to the left of the infobox. For galleries in later sections of the page that can be reasonably assumed to appear strictly below the infobox on all devices, two columns could be used. Three columns are already too wide, even without the infobox. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

:: By "looks too wide for me" I meant individual viewers, not the sum of two. Is there a demonstration for a two-column gallery failed to fit to the left of infobox? [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 15:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

::: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=158624#p158624 [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Is there a potential way to make it change based on screen width? On my screen, 5 columns easily fit to the left of the infobox, and 1 column leaves a ridiculous amount of white space. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 07:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

: For static images only, the <tt><gallery>...</gallery></tt> tag should work ([https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Snake&oldid=127486#Extensibility example]). For embedded viewers, I'm not aware of any existing solution. See also a forum thread for all infobox-related issues/discussions: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5981 link]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

== Adding kinetic symmetry to infoboxes ==

Currently, pattern symmetries are tracked by an invisible template at the bottom of the pattern page which does nothing other than add a category. I don't like this, since it's in stark contrast to every other pattern statistic which is tracked in the pattern infobox. However, the current system is in place for basically every oscillator and spaceship with time symmetry, so moving things to the infobox would take a long time and require a lot of changes. I think it'd be worth it, however, since kinetic symmetry is currently only described in the currently rather obscure [[kinetic symmetry]] page. Having this in the infobox would direct more traffic to that page, increase the understanding of kinetic symmetry in the Life community, and also make the symmetries of patterns far more obvious and clear since people wouldn't have to sift through the twenty categories each pattern is in to find out what each pattern is classified as.

Any thoughts? - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 10:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
: It's doable. However, a script that does it automatically would also need to look at the bounding box, as the templates don't distinguish between odd and even symmetry. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 14:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
:: Would a script even be able to distinguish between a D2_+1 pattern that flips across the edges and vertices of cells (-f+e) and a D2_+2 pattern that flips through the faces and edges of cells (-e+e)? Both are orthogonally flipping oscillators which would have odd by even bounding boxes. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 14:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

: I like the idea to add specific kinetic symmetry to the infobox (and perhaps create corresponding categories for every possible value, so that objects with a given symmetry can be viewed). However, on the other hand the infoboxes are already quite tall, and significantly reduce the available width for the main content that is located in the beginning of the page. Given that there are several related-but-distinct issues with infoboxes (as evidenced by the Tiki bar), would it be possible to discuss infobox-related questions as part of a broader discussion of infoboxes (perhaps preferably on the forum rather than on the wiki, so that forum members without LifeWiki accounts could reply as well)? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

: A forum thread for infobox-related issues: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5981 link]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

=="Oscillators made of still lifes"==
I was perusing Catagolue (by means of my program), and found a D4_+1 oscillator comprised of still lifes, already named the {{LinkCatagolue|xp5_y025a404a52z6a40653x35604a6z65206acxca60256zy04a52025a4|patternname=half-tub harbour|style=raw}}, that also has rarer (single-occurrence) {{LinkCatagolue|xp5_y125a404a6z06a40653x35604a52z4a5206acxca60256zy2652025a4|patternname=C4_1|style=raw}} and {{LinkCatagolue|xp5_y125a404a6z25a40653x35604a6z065206acxca6025a4zy2652025a4|patternname=D4_x1|style=raw}} variants. There wasn't any result for "oscillator made of oscillators," only [[Constellation]] (which seems vaguely fitting but not very), should a page be created dedicated to oscillators that are separable into still lifes (that hassle each other) in at least one phase? Are there any other such cases to document? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
: Amendment: I didn't notice the much more common {{LinkCatagolue|xp5_y135a404a53z35a40653x35604a53zca5206acxca6025aczy1ca52025|patternname=D8_1 occurrence|style=raw}} (due ot it having lower volatility and not appearing in my sortings) — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DroneBetter|contribs]]) 23:40, 28 March 2023

Apologies if the following is a bit off-topic; one interesting kind of oscillators is those where several consecutive phases consist of nothing but [[Spaceship|gliders]] and stationary objects, in such a way that the oscillator permanently becomes a strictly-lower-period pattern if all the gliders are instantly removed from one of such phases. These oscillators look quite cool and may well deserve a dedicated collection. Here's a recently posted alien example: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=159731#p159731 post159731] ({{cata|object/xp33_033eky3g8oe6zzgoc84y3koz11y7133/b2ek3eikq4acejrw5ay6i7cs2-ek3acjry4ajrty5acjq6cn8|Catagolue}}). In Life, several examples are the [[p143 Bandersnatch loop]] (and its period-doubling stabilisation), {{cata|object/xp253_y52egoy233yk33y2oge2zy133y7488oy033y633y0o884y733zccyd111yi111ydcczyn6d9e6w6e9d6zzzzyn6b976w679b6z33yd88oyio88yd33zy1ccy0ggy12111y0ccy6ccy01112y1ggy0cczy54701y2ccykccy21074/b3s23|this p253}}, {{cata|object/xp160_y42egoy533z0oggzx23ye8sky3cczz66y3572yeo8zyr113zy8ooy531e8/b3s23|this p160}}, the (capped) [[period-563 glider gun]]. There should be more examples, even not counting adjustable glider shuttles. (And even more, if the requirements are relaxed to allow any oscillators with temporary internal well-separated gliders.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:36, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

: Another example is a p182 honey farm hassler ([https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=164783#p164783 forum post], {{cata|object/xp182_x32aczyzyagzyeccy133ydca2rp7ggb45zyz033waidwe9d453zyo4b6ygc871zgs26ygcq4zok4miewm9awoozk4q11sjr8a6ydooy166z01zyzy56a8o/b3s23|Catagolue}}). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

== Pauses in glider syntheses ==

Why do most glider synthesis LifeViewer embeds have pauses in them? I get it's to see important intermediates (although sometimes it pauses before the gliders even collide) but it's really awkward to watch.
 On a related note, why do they all have a copy of the final object on the right side? Seems redundant. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 09:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

: Some (not all) glider syntheses have pauses in them, because I decided to add pauses in them. I'm not aware of any previous conventions regarding of how exactly to represent glider syntheses on LifeWiki. The relatively long pause {{eq|T|20}} (before the gliders collide) in particular is so that it is visible where each glider comes from, and it is easier to see that the synthesis is [[rewind]]able. The reason behind adding a copy of the (stationary) final object is because [[Mark Niemiec's database|Mark Niemiec's glider synthesis database]] does this, and I did not really want to invent something entirely new from scratch, when there are existing tested ideas that can be reused in this context. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:22, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

:: How does the pause at T = 20 do anything that the pause at T = 0 doesn't? You don't need to invent anything new. Just show the synthesis. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 16:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

::: Please don't modify formatting in other replies. Especially [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=LifeWiki:Tiki_bar&diff=129705&oldid=129650 in this case], this makes it confusing and hard to view the reply by looking at the diff of the change. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 16:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

::: I'm intentionally inserting the pause {{eq|T|20}} before the gliders collide, so that it is visible where each glider comes from, and it is easier to see that the synthesis is [[rewind]]able. The pause at {{eq|T|0}} does not highlight rewindability. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 16:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

: If this can be useful for setting future guidelines, I think I could write a more detailed explaination for my particular choices when formatting syntheses. Earlier [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=LifeWiki:Tiki_bar&diff=125750&oldid=125749 I already asked] about that on Tiki bar, but got no response there so far. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

[[User:Confocal]], I'd like to bring this up again. You seem to be inserting pauses in syntheses because that's how you personally best see the things you personally look out for. That might work well for you, but you can't assume other people work the same way. I find the pauses very disorienting. (It would be nice to get the opinions of some other people here.) --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 09:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

: I'm trying to format syntheses in a consistent way. It is possible that there's a better presentation, but this question would be something that's best discussed once for all affected pages, rather than arguing about presentation for individual pages. Otherwise, any other possible formatting is subject to the exact same critique: without general guidelines, any possible formatting is "just some editor's opinion on what works best". There are lots of different possible ways how one could show a [[glider synthesis]] with a LifeViewer applet. To give some examples: (a) non-animated pattern; (b) looped animation without any pauses; (c) looped animation with pauses (several variations depending on where you add the pauses); (d) non-moving gliders that are animated for e.g. 20 ticks and then stopped with visible reaction envelope to highlight where each glider comes from. For the record, my own preferences can be seen in pages where I added syntheses. The pause at {{eq|T|0}} is so that the gliders don't immediately begin moving after appearing out of nowhere. The pause at {{eq|T|20}} is to give some time to look at the non-moving synthesis (with visible traces behind gliders). The final pause at the end is to give time to see the final constructed object before restarting animation. Other pauses are between intermediate steps for multi-step syntheses, or to show "interesting" intermediate unstable objects (e.g. symmetric phases). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd just like to interject that I find the pauses in patterns extremely annoying. The [[Silver reflector]] infobox pauses for two full seconds at each Herschel intermediate, which is sufficiently long to get frustrated. A half-second pause would be much better, or maybe a second at most, but a two-second pause is excessive. [[User:Calcyman|Calcyman]] ([[User talk:Calcyman|talk]]) 12:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

: For reflectors and conduits, I suggest to leave the infobox viewer non-animated. I think there is no obviously good way to animate a conduit (outside some larger pattern) that would not make the resulting animation non-intuitive or disorienting in some way to some significant subset of readers. One alternative is to show a pattern where the conduit accepts a continuous signal stream that comes from outside the frame, and the output signal(s) leave to somewhere else. That pattern will be different from the subject of the article, so it could be shown outside the infobox. For example I already did this in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Rectifier&curid=3262&diff=131516&oldid=131491 Rectifier] article. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

In case this Tiki bar discussion settles into some guidelines on how to format glider syntheses, then I believe it will be relatively easy to convert all existing glider syntheses to follow the new guidelines. Assuming I'll still be active here by that time, I may be able to do the conversion myself. (It'll be just boring and repetitive, but hopefully non-controversial by that time.) To keep consistency in those articles where I'm adding syntheses, before the end of discussion I'm going to use the same formatting as I used earlier. (Briefly: short pause at {{eq|T|0}}, longer pause at {{eq|T|20}} before collision, short pause at the end, repeat. For multi-step syntheses, also short pauses between steps.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 20:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

== Volatility rounding ==

Seems like volatility is rounded to two decimal places, and there are categories for each of those. But is it rounded up, down, or to nearest? This also applies to heat. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 16:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

== Autostart ==

[[User:Confocal]], you removed AUTOSTART in viewers on [[Raucci's p38]]. Why? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

: As [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Raucci%27s_p38&diff=130088&oldid=130085 explained in the edit summary], I disabled animation in Gallery/LCM sections on that page. The reason is the same as already [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Galoomba&diff=129697&oldid=129696 explained before] for another page: there are multiple viewers on the page, hence it seems better to not make all of them continuously running animation. In this case, I stopped all viewers in galleries and left "singular" viewers running, just because that was a simple solution. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

: I guess the "real question" is not this particular page, but rather when to animate and when to not animate. When there are many viewers on a single page, AUTOSTARTing them all makes the page slow. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

:: Does it actually make the page slow or are you just guessing? A few low-resolution 10fps animations shouldn't have a significant effect on performance. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 22:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::: Yes, each added animated viewer does actually make the page noticeably slower. Apart from that, animation draws attention which is another reason why too much animation is bad. Unrelated: please do not [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=131197&oldid=130169 "fix" markup] in my replies. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 22:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::: Using indents for replies is convention on Wikipedia, is there a different convention here? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::::: There are no hard-and-fast conventions here as far as I know, apart from the general convention to avoid editing replies by other people. LifeWiki is not Wikipedia, but for completeness here's the relevant quote from Wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TPO Wikipedia:TPO]): "It is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to copy edit others' posts. Doing so can be irritating. The basic rule, with exceptions outlined below, is to not edit or delete others' posts without their permission." [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::: From the same page: "'''Examples of appropriately editing others' comments''' [...] '''Fixing format errors''' that render material difficult to read. In this case, restrict the edits to formatting changes ''only'' and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include: fixing indentation levels, removing bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC), [...]" --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::: The basic point remains: don't edit other's replies without their permission. Wikipedia is a much bigger project (compared to LifeWiki), and it naturally has a larger set of detailed rules and exceptions. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::::: I'm not editing the replies though. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: I replied on your talk page: [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Galoomba&diff=131234&oldid=130833 link]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 21:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

:::: What exactly do you mean by "making the page slower"? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:07, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::::: I mean literally that the page becomes slower. A continuously running animation is a running computation and it slows down everything that runs. I think a few "small" animations or a couple "large" animations per page should suffice in most cases. Beyond that, either most or all viewers should remain non-animated (e.g. in large unstructured galleries, it seems reasonable to leave all viewers non-animated), or some content with viewers should be moved/split into a separate page where there are fewer viewers and so some of them can be animated. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::: What is there on the page, except the viewers themselves, that can become slower? The rest of the page is static. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::: I think I already answered the question above. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::::: You said "everything that runs". But the viewers are the only thing that's running. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 00:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: Only if you count things that are shown on the page itself, and do not count the browser itself and other running things in the system. And even then, my points above remain valid: (a) every added running animation slows down everything that runs (including every running animation), (b) every added running animation is an added distraction that draws attention to it and decreases helpfulness of other animations. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 01:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

== Inconsistent names ==

There are cases where a still life or family of still lifes has several different names and the wiki uses different ones on different pages. Examples include [[long snake]] vs [[python siamese snake]] and [[melusine]] vs [[long fuse with two tails]]. Should these be renamed? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 01:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

: For the first example above, see earlier discussion: [[Talk:Python siamese snake]] (I'm not repeating here to not make reply very long). Second example above is more interesting. Niemiec's Life Page ([https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/p1.htm p1.htm], [https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/lifesrch.htm lifesrch.htm]) gives names "11.16; Long fuse w/ two tails" for the 11-bit still life and "10.14; Fuse w/two tails" for the 10-bit still life. The current Catagolue names are "Long melusine" for the 11-bit still life ({{cata|object/xs11_17842sg/b3s23|xs11_17842sg}}) and "melusine" for the 10-bit still life ({{cata|object/xs10_ggka23z1/b3s23|xs10_ggka23z1}}). I'm not sure whether any page moves are needed, because there's no obvious benefit in using either of two names. I suggest move from [[Long fuse with two tails]] to [[Long melusine]], to prefer a shorter name that also matches the Catagolue name. I think such questions are hard to resolve "in general" -- there are different kinds of consistency. For individual pages, you can check edit history/move logs/talk pages to see previous relevant events, and check Niemiec's Life Page/Catagolue/forum search to see which names are used. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

== Still lifes vs still lives ==

[https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=131531&oldid=131388 This edit] finally motivated me to ask about this on Tiki bar. Which variant should be preferred on LifeWiki? Might be a simple issue, but it's nice to be able to link to an existing discussion from edit summaries/any future discussions. (Note that both variants are in common use: forum search for [https://conwaylife.com/forums/search.php?keywords=still+lives "still lives"], forum search for [https://conwaylife.com/forums/search.php?keywords=still+lifes "still lifes"].) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

: The [[Still life]] page says the plural is "still lifes". --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 08:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:: Yes, that footnote [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=116637&oldid=113961 was added] by someone a few months ago, but I don't know if it was previously discussed anywhere before being added. After all, "still lives" as a plural of "[[still life]]" easily can be a valid domain-specific usage, as opposed to "still lifes" as a plural of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_life the more popular still lifes]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 08:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

::: Yeah, that etymology feels a bit sus to me. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 08:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

==Regarding [[:Category:One-dimensional cellular automata|One-dimensional cellular automata]] and a potential article on generating functions==
I know there has been [https://conwaylife.com/wiki/LifeWiki:Tiki_bar/Archive/2020#Time_to_delete_Template:LinkWeisstein? the discussion of Template:LinkWeisstein's removal], which is regarding his [http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/life/ Life pages], but the different Wolfram Mathworld (originally known as ''Eric Weisstein's World of Mathematics'') has resources on many of the rules. We have [[Template:LinkMathworld]], should links to it be provided in [[OCA:Rule 22|Rule 22]], [[OCA:Rule 54|Rule 54]] and [[OCA:Rule 110|Rule 110]], and in their own column in the table in my [[One-dimensional cellular automaton/Wolfram rule|Wolfram rule]] page? Is there any reason (similar to that of LinkWeisstein's deletion) why they don't have links to it currently?

Also, we have [[Pólya enumeration theorem]]<ref group="1D">I was told a few months ago that someone in the ConwayLife Lounge noted this page, asking whether it ought to be deleted, however I have recently rewritten much of it (since I originally didn't know how to do inline monospacing or superscripts (which are somewhat relevant when involving nested exponentiation :-), instead having then used Python-like <tt>**</tt> syntax), I hope it is now acceptable.</ref> and [[Modular congruence]]<ref group="1D">I created this due to it being redlinked in several places by [[User:Confocal|Confocal]], before learning this to be because it was already the name of an appendix in ''[[Conway's Game of Life: Mathematics and Construction]]''.</ref>, however what would people say about a page regarding generating functions? I would like to mention (in a rewrite of [[Tutorials/Coding Life simulators/bitwise SWAR Life|bitwise SWAR Life]]) a fact of which I was informed, that a number with a binary representation comprised of <tt>n</tt> <tt>1</tt>-bits, at intervals <tt>m</tt> bits apart, is <tt>(2n*m-1)/(2m-1)</tt> (computable as <tt>⌊(1<<n*m)/((1<<m)-1)⌋</tt> for all intervals <tt>m>=2</tt>),<ref group="1D">This allows the bitmask generation to be done much more concisely than my previous method (where <tt>m=1<<l</tt>), <tt>reduce(lambda r,i: r|r<<(1<<i+l),range(n.bit_length()+l-1),1)&~(~0<<(n<<l|1)))</tt>, which ostensibly takes <tt>O(n*m)</tt> time (due to bitwise operators on length-<tt>n</tt> integers being <tt>O(n)</tt> and the convergence of <tt>∑_{n=0..∞}(2-n)</tt>) instead of <tt>O(n*m*log(n*m))</tt>, but in reality will probably always be slower in Python.</ref>, and it occurred to me that (though the Wolfram rule page currently only contains multivariate generating functions over <tt>x</tt> and <tt>y</tt>) the sequences encoding states from single cells as binary integers, which have closed forms in terms of linear combinations of powers (and thus generating functions) in more well-behaved rules (like Rule 28, where <tt>{{OEIS|A001045|tt=tt}}(n)=(2n-(-1)n)/3=(1<<n|n&1)//3</tt>), are based on a similar idea. There is also the modulo-<tt>2</tt> case noted in [[Pseudo-random number generator]], though I'm biased in favour of such an article (due to my love for the OEIS) and am not sure how tenuous the relationship with the wiki's purpose would otherwise be. Can I get anyone's blessing to put it in the mainspace, if I am to create it? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

: Certainly I may be wrong on this, but I think "the relationship with the wiki's purpose" hits it. If the subject of generating functions does appear in cellular-automata-related discussions, then yes, that can make it useful to have a page explaining it. (In fact, I redlinked [[Modular congruence]] for this reason -- this is an idea that commonly appears in CA-related discussions, to the point that it is discussed in the textbook, as mentioned above. So I think [[Modular congruence]] has its place in LifeWiki.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

===Notes===
<references group="1D" />

=="Cellular Automata FAQ"==
I happened upon [https://cafaq.com/] recently. It was created at about the time of [[comp.theory.cell-automata]], as it seems, and is quite in-depth (and contains some answers from notable people like [[Harold McIntosh]] (now deceased)), but isn't linked to anywhere on the LifeWiki. It seems to be unmaintained now, but says (in the main directory) that "a text version of the FAQ" was intended. Being that we have had our project to preserve LifeLine (and convert it to use nicely-formatted diagrams), is it notable enough that a copy of it should be added here also? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

: I support the idea to preserve "Cellular Automata FAQ" somehow, if that's feasible -- how painful it is going to be? Maybe this could be a way to initialise the [[LifeWiki:FAQ]] idea with existing content. E.g. I had the page [https://web.archive.org/web/19990224055744/http://alife.santafe.edu/alife/topics/cas/threads/natural/0007.html threads/natural/0007.html] bookmarked, which discusses possible rule formats, such as counting alive corners separately from alive edges when determining the new state of the central cell (so there would be 2{{sup|50}} possible rule definitions -- from 0 to 4 alive corners, from 0 to 4 alive edges, and the central cell either alive or dead). I know this particular idea did surface several times in discussions, so it is notable -- but I don't think it is documented anywhere on LifeWiki. IIRC there was an existing abbreviation specifically for this type of rule definition (around 7 or 8 letters), but I don't remember what it was. (Added later:) I think the abbreviation is [https://web.archive.org/web/20150422212505/http://www.collidoscope.com/modernca/words.html CWCFSMNCA]. Forum posts: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=75323#p75323 p75323], [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=129786#p129786 p129786]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:48, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

: Linking [[Cellular Automata FAQ/Archive]] created by [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]], which is relevant but was not mentioned. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

==Moving large patterns out of infoboxes==
As one can currently see in the recent changes, Confocal has moved the LifeViewer embeds out of infoboxes in
:*[[deep cell]],
:*[[p5760 unit Life cell‎]],
*[[twin prime calculator‎]],
:*[[tlog(t) growth|<tt>t*log(t)</tt> growth]],
:*[[tlog(log(t)) growth|<tt>t*log(log(t))</tt> growth]],
*[[Star gate]],
*[[period-40 glider gun‎]],
:*p61 Herschel loops [[p61 Herschel loop 1‎|1]] and [[p61 Herschel loop 2|2]],
:*p59 Herschel loops [[p59 Herschel loop 1|1]] and [[p59 Herschel loop 2|2]],
:*[[p57 Herschel loop 1‎]],
*[[barbershop]], and
*[[breeder 1]],
should they not have asked here before doing so? I liked them more the way they were, why does Confocal make edits with such arbitrary purposes? What is the benefit? [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 15:31, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::I believe it's because a viewer outside the infobox can have a greater width and height. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 15:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

:: See https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=160959#p160959 for the previous discussion of infoboxes (and [[#Attempting to show huge patterns in infoboxes]] for an earlier Tiki bar discussion). The main intent is to make viewers larger, and surround them with article text, without making the infobox wider. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

== Suggested deprecation of EmbedViewerRule ==

: (Previous discussions: [[Template talk:Rule]], [[Talk:Conway's Game of Life#Random soup]])

I propose to phase out/deprecate the random soup animations that are shown on rule pages (such as [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=134386 Conway's Game of Life]). Behind the scenes, those random soup animations are implemented via {{tl|EmbedViewerRule}} template. Current issues include: &bullet; The idea behind the template is flawed. Trying to illustrate an arbitrary rule by evolving a random (or "randomly-looking") soup does not do justice to the rule. For many rules, it does not make sense. Even when it does, a better illustration would be a specific pattern chosen by a human. &bullet; When the reader clicks on the infobox viewer (intentionally or accidentally), the viewer expands directly on the page. This breaks the widely followed convention "when the infobox pattern is clicked, show the pattern in a new window". I tried, and could not find a way to fix this issue (see [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=164483#p164483 post164483])). Clicking on an infobox viewer should display a pop-up window (an example can be seen by clicking the infobox viewer in [[Glider]]). &bullet; The initial soup takes only a small fraction of the available display area, and cells are very small. Maybe a randomly filled torus with larger cells would look better (this would not solve the other mentioned issues, though). In general, I suggest to use some non-random pattern chosen by a human being to illustrate how the rule works (either shown as a separate viewer outside the infobox, or shown in the infobox via alternate functionality yet to be implemented). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 11:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

: Update (see [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=165674#p165674 post165674], [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?curid=20932&diff=135804&oldid=121084 change]) Second issue should now be resolved, e.g. clicking the infobox viewer on the [[Conway's Game of Life]] page should show a popup window. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:17, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:: A popup window now appears on any rule page without even clicking. I don't think this should be happening. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 13:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

::: Oops -- that was supposed to be fixed. I reverted the change in template for now. Does the same happen on the test page [[User:Confocal/Test3]]? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:53, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:::: Yes, it still does on the test page. It's been removed from the normal pages, though. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 14:07, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

::::: Are you on LifeViewer build 1035 or later? You may need to hard refresh your browser. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 08:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::: 1033. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 14:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hopefully everyone's browsers are already hard refreshed. If [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?curid=20932&diff=136309&oldid=135818 this change] happens to causes problems, it might be better to disable the animation by default. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

For the current discussion, see replies starting from [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=166785#p166786 this page] and later replies in the same forum thread. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 01:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

== Alternatives to hassler pages ==
:Related discussion: [[Talk:Honey farm hasslers]], [[Talk:Butterfly hasslers]].

What are possible alternatives to grouping oscillators by the hassled sequence? One possibility is to create a single wiki page for each "medium" period, and group oscillators further by sections. (For low periods, [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AHoney_farm_hasslers&type=revision&diff=130927&oldid=130916 it was already mentioned] that there would be probably too many oscillators to list them all.) One of the issues with the existing grouping in {{tl|HasslerList}} is that oscillators of a specific period appear on multiple different pages. Another issue is that when the reaction switches between two or more common sequences, the same oscillator appears on two or more different pages (e.g. [[84P199]] is both an R hassler and a LoM hassler). Another issue is that "hassler" [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6081 is not sufficiently well-defined]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 02:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

: Why would the "same oscillator appearing on multiple pages because the reaction switches between sequences" thing be an issue? It's not like we're finding one of such type every day. [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:20 August 2023 (UTC)

: I support the idea of having a page for each period. It also seems more useful - usually when you're looking for oscillators (say to use in a larger pattern) you'll probably be looking for oscillators of specific periods. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 22:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

:: This seems like it would be better accomplished with a simple stamp collection like [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=165345#p165345 this one]. I don't see a need to include such collections on the wiki. ~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 09:41, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

::: One stamp collection for every period could indeed be more convenient, if that is believed to be a viable alternative. (I think one stamp collection for all periods is way too big.) One advantage of wiki pages is that patterns can be shown directly, without expecting that readers use Golly or other software to view the RLEs. Another potential advantage of wiki pages is that associated information (discovery info, related links) could be gradually added by multiple people. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:52, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

== Mass conversion of RLEs in EmbedViewers into headerless form ==

(Previous discussion: [[User talk:C28#Conversion of RLEs into headerless RLEs in EmbedViewer transclusions]])

I think [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Octomino_II_hasslers&curid=28392&diff=135187&oldid=134859 these] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Blonk-tie_hasslers&diff=135138&oldid=134884 edits] are not an improvement. I suggest to revert back to the multiline form. The headerless form makes a very long line, does not match the "copy and paste from Golly" form, and does not work for alien rules (you need header for alien rules). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 16:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

: Nah. The fact that the headerless lines end up in a long line of text is not a bad thing since the RLE's still function as they should. The point about the patterns only working in alien rules being negatively affected by the changes is somewhat moot since the patterns affected by the conversion to headerless RLEs were patterns that worked in B3/S23 (which is the rule that Lifeviewer seems to default to). [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:03 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:: The point is that consistency is negatively affected by these changes -- it will not work in all cases. I think the preferred form of a RLE should be the result of direct copy and paste from Golly. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::: Consistency is not exactly a thing when it comes to a wiki. i've seen so many different forms of a citation, paragraph writing, order of sections and more. [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:16 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:::: Some kinds of useful consistency are possible / practical. This discussion is specifically about RLEs in EmbedViewer transclusions. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::::: If it works, it works. Anything beyond that wouldn't be of much concern. [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:29 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::: By that logic, wouldn't it be better to leave the RLEs in the multi-line form? They did already work, so the current bulk conversion into single-line form was not necessary (and perhaps increased the amount of stored data on the server, and cluttered the [[Special:RecentChanges|log of recent changes]]). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::: It's sort of a double-edged sword. The only reason i'm converting the RLEs into a single-line form is to reduce the size of the page. Sure that would "clutter" the changelogs, but any sort of edits (expanding, updating information, removing useless/redundant sentences, etc.) would too. [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 17:48 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::::: That's kind of why it's better to discuss "large scale" changes (that affect multiple wiki pages) before implementing them. Something like fixing obvious typos in articles won't be controversial in most cases -- unless e.g. the intent is to preserve typos that were present in an original. Something like converting every RLE to single-line form is more likely to be controversial. I don't remember previous discussions of this issue. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: Well what exactly constitutes "large scale"? [[User:C28|C28]] ([[User talk:C28|talk]]) 18:23 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::: Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. That said, there are some cases when multiple pages are affected but the change is very unlikely to be controversial/mistaken, and there are other cases when only a few pages are going to be affected but it's still better to discuss before changing. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

== Sides of torus. ==

Will it be better if people can see the sides of torus in the wiki? [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 08:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

: I don't know what is meant by the sides of torus. I assume the question is related to [[Lightspeed bubble]]. Personally, I like the [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=135355 new version]; the animation shows the object in question moving through the background agar. In comparison, the [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=70272 previous version] was not animated (and running it would show how the bubble eventually reaches the edge of the finite patch and everything is destroyed). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 08:35, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

::I mean will it be be better if people can see the grey box. [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 10:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
::Also, do you think it is a good idea to make a collection of lightspeed bubbles in [[lightspeed bubble]]?[[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 10:45, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

::: Re: the grey box, it seems simpler to configure a viewer with visible "grey box" cells, because this way the width/height/zoom do not need to be adjusted precisely to make sure "grey box" cells are all outside but the actual pattern still completely fits inside. [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=139405 Here] is a test page with several viewers where the 'grey box' cells are visible. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

==MediaWiki math extension==
:''See also the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math Extension:Math] page in the MediaWiki wiki''
There was [[User_talk:Nathaniel/Archive_1#Math_formulae|a talk]] between [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel Johnston]] and [[User:Elithrion|Elithrion]] regarding the prospect of adding LaTeX support, which Nathaniel said was out of scope while it remained on its shared Windows host. It has been 5288 days (≈14.48 years) since then, would it now be feasible to do? I have a few somewhat formula-heavy pages that would look nicer if converted, namely [[Pólya enumeration theorem]] and the [[User:DroneBetter/miscellaneous_curiosities|miscellaneous curiosities]] page in my userspace. I have created [[Template:sum|<tt><nowiki>{{sum}}</nowiki></tt>]], [[Template:product|<tt><nowiki>{{product}}</nowiki></tt>]], [[Template:lim|<tt><nowiki>{{lim}}</nowiki></tt>]] and [[Template:frac|<tt><nowiki>{{frac}}</nowiki></tt>]] to make do with pure HTML (as can be seen in [[Big-Θ notation]]), but it would be nice to have things like brackets that change size to enclose fractions correctly, if you would, please. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

== Backward rake ==

Is it a good idea to make a redirect page named Backward rake and redirect it to [[backrake]]? ( A lot of people use it in the forums: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=Backward+rake]) [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

:Go ahead. You generally don't need permission unless you're creating a whole bunch of redirects at once. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 17:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 19:25, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

== Red links ==

Should I create links to pages that has not been made yet? [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 06:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

: If you know about [[LifeWiki:Notability|notable topics]] that are currently missing from LifeWiki, feel free to create red links to the missing pages about such topics (so that other editors know the page is missing). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 09:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

== Alien pattern pages ==

(For previous discussion see [[Template talk:Spaceship]], [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2020#LifeViewer and RLE on OCA subpages]]) Yet another infobox-related question. Are infoboxes needed on pages about alien patterns in the OCA namespace? My opinion is that it is better to use {{tl|EmbedViewer}}/{{tl|gallery item}} to show any patterns and add describing captions; unlike infoboxes, this also allows to put the RLE of a small pattern directly into the code of the article. The current infobox infrastructure assumes that it is used in CGoL context; I think it would be better to create a separate infrastructure (if needed at all), instead of complicating legacy template code. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:25, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

: The point of templates is that the same code can be used in multiple places and modified all at once. Making a separate template for OCA infoboxes kinda goes against that. Where does the infobox assume CGoL? Fields that aren't relevant for OCA (e.g. glider synthesis) can just be omitted. And please stop instantly reverting other people's contributions. At least discuss first and/or provide an equivalent implementation if you think it would be better. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 17:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Your modifications to infobox templates are undiscussed large-scale changes, that's why I reverted them. It is up to you to convince others that these changes are useful, preferably by discussing before changing. Making a separate template allows to get rid of any irrelevant fields, and/or add fields that don't make much sense for CGoL. The idea to use separate set of templates for alien patterns was already suggested in 2020: [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2020#LifeViewer and RLE on OCA subpages]]. That was neither rejected nor implemented. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 17:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::: The changes aren't exactly large-scale. There are only about a dozen pages for alien patterns on the wiki, and the changes don't affect any other page. (And I did not even change a single non-template page before you reverted my edits.) This is also a very hypocritical statement for someone who frequently makes undiscussed changes to hundreds of pages at once, many of which are way more commonly used than the OCA ones. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::: As the person who basically decided in the past that OCA pages don't get infoboxes, such as when I created the HighLife p7 and p10 pages: it was for technical reasons. I would have preferred them to exist. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 18:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::: Categories [[:Category:Alien patterns]] and [[:Category:Alien spaceships]] contain more pages, e.g. [[OCA:HighLife/Bomber]]. I think infoboxes are redundant for this class of pages -- {{tl|EmbedViewer}} is simpler to add, it allows to add explanatory captions, multiple variants of a pattern, etc. without needing to fill a whole set of parameters at once. For short pages, galleries look more reasonable than an infobox that is longer than the main page content. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:28, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::: A lot of CGoL pattern pages have infoboxes longer than the main page. Also, you can have both an infobox and EmbedViewers - as most pages do, of course. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:36, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::: Well, my opinion is that a lot of CGoL pattern pages don't really need infoboxes. However, infoboxes on CGoL pattern pages are already taken for granted. This Tiki bar discussion is about pages about alien patterns, and in this case there is a choice between (a)committing to the same legacy infrastructure (which will complicate templates further -- you'll need to mark non-CGoL patterns clearly, avoid irrelevant fields, add new fields, etc.), (b) creating a new solution for alien pattern pages, that is simpler to implement (because of being specific to the context) and works better in this context. My preference is (b), with galleries ({{tl|gallery item}}) already usable as an existing solution. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::: OCA patterns aren't fundamentally different from CGoL patterns. Like I've already said, you don't need to fill in irrelevant fields. And what new fields exactly would need to be added? OCA are more general than CGoL, not more specific. And again, your opinion is only your opinion, and if most people disagree with you, you don't get to stop them. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:59, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: Alien pattern pages on LifeWiki are a more specific context, because the majority of pages on LifeWiki are (and will be) about patterns/ideas related to Conway's Game of Life. At the very least, you will have to add a field to indicate that the pattern is not in Life (and change the display somehow accordingly, so that readers don't get confused about which patterns are in Life and which are alien). You will likely have to add a field to specify the rule. Then there are already several fields about rules (rulemin/rulemax/rulespecial), and questions about whether it makes sense to have them all. (See also Tiki bar discussions and archives.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::: Readers won't get confused because the page is in the OCA namespace, that seems clear enough to me. Rule fields already exist, so I'm not sure what the problem is. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 19:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::: The problem is that [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASpaceship&type=revision&diff=136497&oldid=131029 changes like this] make existing templates (which are already fairly complicated to understand and maintain) even more complicated and harder to understand and maintain. Perhaps one could say "if you break it, you own it", except that doesn't seem to work here. There are already galleries, which are more flexible than infoboxes, can be formatted in a relatively simple way, and do not require to fill a whole bunch of parameters. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::: That is not relevant to any of the message you're replying to. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 19:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::::: That is relevant to the question of whether to reuse/extend existing infobox structure (with whatever comes with it), or to use a simpler/lightweight alternative that is easier to maintain. [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Spaceship&curid=23&diff=136550&oldid=136508 You claim in edit summaries] that "The changes have now been discussed, and more people agree with them than not.". I consider that misleading, since this Tiki bar discussion started only a few hours ago. I do not believe the changes to the templates were sufficiently discussed (or even well-understood) before pushing them forward. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::::: Why not use the same templates? I don't understand what you mean by "extend", are you saying that OCA patterns have traits that CGoL patterns don't that would need to be accounted for? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 15:06, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::::::: One such "trait" is the rule itself (as [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PatternIdentifiers&oldid=136573 you mentioned yourself] elsewhere). The existing infrastructure assumes b3s23 by default (e.g. links to Catagolue object pages); the workaround is to append the rulestring to the apgcode so that the correct Catagolue object page is linked. (This would make "apgcode" imprecise as a description of the link -- it would be more precise to write e.g. "Catagolue object page" to describe that infobox field.) Now, what about multistate rules, hexagonal rules, rules on aperiodic tilings, etc.? My point here is that "in general" there are few commonalities between rules that could be put into an infobox. Also, the infobox pattern does not have an associated caption the way {{tl|EmbedViewer}} does, leading to awkward expressions in the text like "... shown in the infobox" (which assume understanding of what an infobox is). I believe a free-form plain-text explanation of the rule, with embedded viewers/galleries (with explanatory captions), should be preferred to infoboxes. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 15:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::: > One such "trait" is the rule itself (as [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PatternIdentifiers&oldid=136573 you mentioned yourself] elsewhere). Yeah, that should be sorted out, but it shouldn't be hard.> Now, what about multistate rules, hexagonal rules, rules on aperiodic tilings, etc.? I don't see the problem with those; sure, some fields don't make sense with some rules, but they can be omitted. And it's not like any patterns in those rules currently have pages.> Also, the infobox pattern does not have an associated caption the way {{tl|EmbedViewer}} does, leading to awkward expressions in the text like "... shown in the infobox" (which assume understanding of what an infobox is). This is not specific to OCA.> I believe a free-form plain-text explanation of the rule, with embedded viewers/galleries (with explanatory captions), should be preferred to infoboxes. We're talking about pages for specific patterns, not rules. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::: Re: "We're talking about pages for specific patterns, not rules." -- correct; I meant patterns. Even though this is not specific to patterns (as opposed to rules) or alien topics (as opposed to CGoL topics), this applies here as well. Before committing to the whole idea of having infoboxes in the OCA namespace, it makes sense to consider more lightweight/maintainable/flexible alternatives. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

To respond to a detail from [[Template_talk:Spaceship]]: confocaloid mentioned that
The RLE namespace nontrivially interacts with downloadable LifeWiki pattern collection.
This is definitely true, but possibly not as big a problem as it might be -- depending on what our eventual goals are for '''oca.zip''', the automatically-generated alien pattern collection.

At the moment, the downloadable pattern collections '''all.zip''' and '''oca.zip''' do ''not'' grow automatically whenever anyone makes an addition to the RLE namespace. They grow only when one of the LifeWiki moderators uses additional permissions granted by Nathaniel, to go to a separate upload page and upload patterns to be added to the downloadable collection.

The upload page used to require choosing patterns for upload one at a time (!) but that was recently adjusted to be up to 100 patterns at a time, which is much less painful. Still, currently the only system that prepares standard-format patterns for upload is the [https://github.com/dvgrn/b3s23life/tree/main/conwaylife-scrapers/lifewiki-rlescraper auto-upload script], which I'm currently running once a month to keep everything reasonably synchronized. That script currently only looks at references to pnames inside main-namespace pages, so for the most part it will only ever find new Conway's Life patterns that have been added to the RLE namespace -- nothing from other rules.

At this point it seems like an open question whether the LifeWiki will be able to successfully expand its coverage to include lots of patterns from other rules. As of today there are only 73 patterns in oca.zip, which is barely a drop in the OCeAn.

If there's some level of confidence that there will eventually be a lot of OCA patterns being added as separate articles, and that we'll be needing a more automated way to collect them -- then it might be good to have something like a separate OCARLE namespace, and set up an automated collection system for that namespace.

However, at the moment, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of pressure to document dozens or hundreds of notable named individual OCA patterns -- we seem to be talking about a fairly small set. I'm not sure if I have the correct impression about that, but if I do, then enabling infoboxes for those exceptional cases might be a reasonable option for the time being. Separately, we could add any of those patterns to the oca.zip collection that are not in there already -- since that currently has to be a separate manual step in any case. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 22:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

: To repeat my thoughts from the above argument with Galoomba: I believe that embedded viewers and galleries ({{tl|EmbedViewer}} / {{tl|gallery item}}) provide a more flexible/lightweight/maintainable alternative to infoboxes. I don't believe infoboxes are needed or useful on OCA pages about alien patterns. (Even though infoboxes are used and "taken for granted" in the main article namespace for CGoL patterns, it does not follow that infoboxes should be used in the OCA namespace as well. My preference would be to remove [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=136569&oldid=131208 the] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=136554&oldid=136517 infoboxes] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=136568&oldid=124472 added] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=136572&oldid=124474 recently], and revert associated recent changes to the infobox templates. These changes are made without seeking consensus first, and I do not consider them to be improvements.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 21:14, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Related discussion: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5981#p166560 [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 10:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

:: I'm not sure if I'm going to count as "someone else who does not have a strong preference one way or another" -- this was the wording from the edit summary from the latest set of reverts. I do think that infoboxes are sometimes kind of annoying. Infoboxes cause difficulties when a name applies not to a single pattern but to a class of related patterns, and there's no particular reason to pick one of those patterns over another (except maybe according to some "smallest" criterion, and that's almost worse because then the parameters in the infobox might end up having to be changed every time a new record is set.)

:: On the other hand, when names apply unambiguously to specific patterns, I think infoboxes are a fairly nice way to present them. After reviewing the pro and con arguments, I'm not seeing why OCA patterns shouldn't occasionally have infoboxes. The four cases that were reverted seem like good examples of unambiguous names where it would be okay to have an infobox. Given that consensus had been sought after an initial revert, I'm not at all clear why the second round of reverts happened.

:: It's true that consensus did not in fact appear, but on the other hand it doesn't seem as if any support for the original revert was expressed either. Doing another revert with the same justification as the first one, in the face of opposition from multiple people and in the absence of any support, seems like an action that's unnecessarily slipping down the slope toward an edit war. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 17:01, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

::: Regarding recent changes, my proposal is to continue to avoid infoboxes on pattern pages in the OCA namespace. Infoboxes were not previously used on those pages, and there is no evidence that infoboxes are needed or useful for this class of pages. Giving the same information in plain text with embedded viewers/images will always be more flexible/lightweight than filling an infobox. Unlike an infobox, plain text will work for any CA rules and for any unusual/weird patterns. "Occasionally" would be problematic, because then it would be unclear when to add an infobox and when to not add it. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 03:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to redo the changes as [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=166680#p166711 this post by dvgrn] makes it pretty clear that there is sufficient consensus. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 21:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

: Disagree -- the linked post does not say that there is consensus. Until now, only a few people responded. Further, the above reply makes it pretty clear that consensus did not in fact appear. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 21:22, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:: My wording was bad - dvgrn's post explains how the existing consensus is sufficient, one person disagreeing does not mean there isn't a consensus. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 21:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

::: There is no existing consensus on this issue. One person actively trying to push the same changes to infobox-related templates does not mean there is a consensus. Maybe give time to let other people respond as well, rather than (making this an argument between two active editors) and/or (trying to push your preferred changes as if there was already understanding and clear consensus for them)? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 21:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

::::There is a existing consensus on this issue. 4-1 (me, dvgrn, galoomba, MEisSCAMMER) against you. One person actively trying to push the same changes to infobox-related templates... is you, and you're in the minority. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 22:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

::::: Neither "3-1" nor "4-1" would be a consensus to make changes from the existing state, given that there was not enough time to discuss these changes, and there was not much opportunity (the discussion places are filled by an argument between few active editors, giving little opportunity for others to respond and explain their opinions). https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=166737#p166737 [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 22:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::: > given that there was not enough time to discuss these changes How much exactly is "enough time"?> (the discussion places are filled by an argument between few active editors, giving little opportunity for others to respond and explain their opinions) This seems like a non-sequitur to me. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 23:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

== Back into the Future of the ''rulespecial'' parameter ==

There was Tiki bar discussion ([[LifeWiki:Tiki bar/Archive/2021#Future of the rulespecial parameter|link]]) where it was proposed to get rid of the "rulespecial" parameter in infoboxes. From looking at that discussions, it appears that there was consensus, but the proposed changes were not actually implemented. (I also support removal of this parameter. Any information about "special" rules should be accompanied by an explanation of why these rules are considered "special", which would go in the main part of the article, and cannot really be packed into the infobox.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
: I agree with its removal. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 13:24, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
: Makes sense, it's not objective info like the rest of the infobox. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 14:59, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I'm sure it made sense at the time, but I'd love to get rid of ''rulespecial''. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 23:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I just removed the "rulespecial" parameter in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Template:PatternDownload&curid=92&diff=137051&oldid=130062 two] [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=LifeWiki:Pattern_pages&curid=883&diff=137052&oldid=98750 edits]. Pages where the parameter is specified are automatically placed in {{CategoryLink|Pages needing cleanup|style=inline}}. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 06:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
: That is over 1400 pages (minus however many pages are in there for unrelated reasons). It makes sense to remove it iff we can automate it. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 08:56, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: To clarify: the infobox parameter functionality is already removed, and "rulespecial" will not be visible for readers. The values that were specified in the markup are ignored now. Even though it is not strictly necessary to remove them from the source code of the pages, this can be made gradually, in combination along with other (more substantial) edits. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 09:07, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
::: Yeah, that's what I meant. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 10:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

== LifeViewer speed ==

Why is the LifeViewer <tt>GPS</tt> parameter not working? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 18:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

: For LifeViewer issues, you might want to ask in https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622 or https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4742 threads. I'm adding two test viewers in a subsection below. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

=== Test patterns ===
{{gallery top}}
{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = tetradecathlon
|viewerconfig = #C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 ZOOM 8 GPS 4 AUTOSTART ]]
|position = center
|caption = GPS 4
|style = width:300px;
}}}}
{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = tetradecathlon
|viewerconfig = #C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 ZOOM 8 GPS 10 AUTOSTART ]]
|position = center
|caption = GPS 10
|style = width:300px;
}}}}
{{gallery bottom}}
:: It's fixed in build 1059. Hard refresh your browser to ensure you have it. [[User:Rowett|Chris Rowett]] ([[User talk:Rowett|talk]]) 23:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

== Background grid for tracked moving objects ==

Can anyone confirm the distracting visual effect when background grid is visible and TRACK/TRACKLOOP is on? Perhaps tracking would work better with GRID OFF? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

: I do see an effect, but I'm not sure if i'd describe it as "distracting". I don't really care either way, so maybe having the grid off could be better if it's significant to you. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 19:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Obviously the question is not what is significant to either of LifeWiki editors here, but rather what affects reader's experience. If the effect is visible on other devices as well, then probably grid should be disabled for tracked patterns. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 19:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

: Also, this only makes sense for low zoom levels. When the pattern is small, or the viewer is large, the grid is definitely better. --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 21:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

=== Example patterns ===
{{gallery top}}
{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = bomber
|viewerconfig = #C [[ AUTOSTART GPS 8 TRACKLOOP 48 1/6 1/6 ]]
|position = center
|caption = The bomber (taken from [[OCA:HighLife]])
|apgcode = xq48_07z8ca7zy1e531/b36s23
}}}}
{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = bomber
|viewerconfig = #C [[ AUTOSTART GPS 8 TRACKLOOP 48 1/6 1/6 GRID OFF ]]
|position = center
|caption = GRID OFF
|apgcode = xq48_07z8ca7zy1e531/b36s23
}}}}
{{gallery bottom}}
For this example I prefer the grid on. [[User:Rowett|Chris Rowett]] ([[User talk:Rowett|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
::Another alternative is to show the cell borders:
::{{gallery item|{{EmbedViewer
|pname = bomber
|viewerconfig = #C [[ AUTOSTART GPS 8 TRACKLOOP 48 1/6 1/6 GRID OFF CELLBORDERS ]]
|position = center
|caption = CELL BORDERS
|apgcode = xq48_07z8ca7zy1e531/b36s23
}}}}
::[[User:Rowett|Chris Rowett]] ([[User talk:Rowett|talk]]) 20:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

== {{tl|gallery top}} and {{tl|gallery bottom}} ==

These currently do nothing. Is there a reason to keep using them? --[[User:Galoomba|Galoomba]] ([[User talk:Galoomba|talk]]) 13:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

: See [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=166813#p166813 this forum post]. It is possible that the underlying formatting will change in future, so that either of {{tl|gallery top}} / {{tl|gallery bottom}} / {{tl|gallery item}} will have to be changed. The intent is to simplify update if/when formatting has to be updated later. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

: Unrelated: the broken autogenerated section link in [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=137243&oldid=137240 this edit summary] is one reason to avoid links/markup in section headings. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:41, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

==[[OCA:logarithmic replicator rule|"logarithmic" replicator rule]] and prospect of "[[OCA:rule 225]]" page==
As I noted in [[OCA talk:Logarithmic replicator rule#Incorrectness of name|my comment on the talk page]], in AforAmpere's rule (equivalent to the "logarithmic" replicator rule), there are the limiting bounds on the bit-length in the <tt>t</tt>th iteration <tt>2 < {{frac|l(t)|{{sqrt|t}}}} < {{frac|2*{{sqrt|5}}|{{sqrt|3}}}}</tt>. Perhaps I was too fast to move it (and use <tt>Θ</tt> notation unnecessarily), but should it be renamed to the "sqrt replicator rule" and note the erroneous name in common use?

It seems [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] named it incorrectly in his creation of the article as a redirect, since David Eppstein made no such claims.

Also note, the single-cell initial state Wolfram rule <tt>225</tt> (that inverts itself and thereafter follows the evolution of a pair of cells in rule <tt>120</tt>) also has <tt>Θ({{sqrt|t}})</tt> growth and admits a complete description (finding the state of a given cell at a given iteration) in terms of a finite number of logical and arithmetic operations (if one is allowed to use a function that returns a number whose output's base-<tt>4</tt> representation is its input's base-<tt>2</tt> representation), and is the first member of a series of rules with integers <tt>{{sum|k{{=}}2n+1|2n+1-1|2k}}+1 = (22n-1)2</tt> (emulating those with integers <tt>{{sum|k{{=}}2n-1|2n+1-2|2k}} = {{choose|22n|2}}</tt>) providing <tt>Θ({{sqrt|t|n}})</tt> growth in width-<tt>n+1</tt> neighbourhoods (which may likewise have cells' states at given positions in space and time found in terms of a function whose base-<tt>2n</tt> output is its base-base-<tt>2</tt> input). Should a page be created for rule 225 (noting these generalisations) also?

: Re: {{rl|Logarithmic replicator rule}}: I think two natural possibilities are either to leave the current name (because the existing name is in common use), or alternatively move the page to {{rl|B36/S245}} (because it is always correct to refer to a Life-like rule using its rulestring in the standard semitotalistic notation, and it is convenient when there is no single commonly-agreed name). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 12:39, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

::I prefer the rulestring, but keep the redirect from logarithmic replicator rule because it's in use. AwesoMan3000 had a tendency to make up names. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 12:47, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

: (To clarify, I prefer to leave the existing name. If we move the page to the rulestring, then ''other'' people who have a tendency to make up names will want to move it again to some other newly coined name, which will not be nearly as common.) [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 13:01, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea why recent issues like this appear to be pinned uniquely to me over the past year - it doesn't take much searching at all to find out that the rule B36/S245 was first named "logarithmic replicator rule" on the [[Gun]] page, in a mid-2009 addition by Adam P. Goucher himself: https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Gun&diff=next&oldid=9711

Refrain from automatically blaming anything you disagree with on my actions. The triangular neighbourhoods incident from months ago was irritating enough, singling me out for introducing an allegedly useless neighbourhood while neither paying attention to the exact context it was suggested under (instead calling it a "mindless suggestion") nor noticing that the "triangular outer" neighbourhood, introduced by Chris himself without me suggesting it (possibly after looking at [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=965&p=7049#p7049 this 2012 thread] which was included the Tripod neighbourhood), suffers from the exact same problem as the "radiation" neighbourhood everyone was complaining about.

I understand I'm not the most liked member in this community, but I'm noticing a pattern that things people don't like appear to be instinctively attributed to myself and would very much like this to stop as soon as it can. [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 16:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

: In addition to a "+1" to the above reply by AwesoMan3000, here are some places on the forum where 'logarithmic replicator' and/or 'logarithmic replicator rule' is used by various people: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=78463#p78463 post78463] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=102490#p102490 post102490] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=126381#p126381 post126381] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=129591#p129591 post129591] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=130676#p130676 post130676] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=136832#p136832 post136832] [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=151358#p151358 post151358]. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 00:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

: (Added later) I [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=138471&oldid=137924 added] a "proposed move" template transclusion for the rulestring suggestion. [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=137871&oldid=137865 As I already said], I prefer to keep the name {{rl|Logarithmic replicator rule}}, because it is how the rule is commonly referred to (forum, Catagolue and most likely elsewhere). A rulestring would work as well, but then certain people will complain that the rule is "unnamed" and will want to invent a completely new name and put it on LifeWiki ([https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=OCA:Logarithmic_replicator_rule&action=history this already happens]). [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 04:15, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:: After [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=OCA:Logarithmic_replicator_rule&action=history yet another attempt] to move to an invented name, I [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff=139082&oldid=139075 removed] proposed move. Obviously there is no consensus for the proposed move to rulestring-based pagename, and there are no alternative names in sufficiently common use either. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 07:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:Confocal, please can you stop moving it back every time it is moved, and [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=OCA%3ALogarithmic_replicator_rule&type=revision&diff=139168&oldid=139165 changing the contents to incorrect ones]? It makes no sense for the page to say "the namesake logarithmic replicator" in the infobox, when the section after that is entitled [[OCA:Logarithmic replicator rule#Growth bounds|#Growth bounds]] and includes asymptotic bounds on the ratio between the height and the square-root of the generation.
:I sent a mail to dvgrn (on galoomba's recommendation) regarding this on 2023-10-06, to which he replied on 2023-10-07. In the interest of transparency, I will include it here.
::Sorry for the slow reply.
::I guess I'd say that confocaloid has been causing some persistent problems that moderators have had to deal with on the LifeWiki, and I've been slowly working on figuring out what to do about that.
::As it happens, now is not a workable time for me in particular to make any executive decisions about arguments involving confocaloid -- just because I'm right in the middle of a complicated negotiation right now with confocaloid on another topic. Rendering an "impartial judgment" on another case wouldn't be taken very well.
::I might be able to pick it up again in a month or two. If another solution doesn't present itself in the meantime and you really want a resolution quicker than that, I'd suggest sending this request to one of the other moderators, Sokwe or Ian07 -- though it's true that neither of them have been particularly active just recently, so I certainly can't guarantee any particular results. We're all just volunteers around here.
:Note that [[User:Haycat2009|Haycat2009]] also became frustrated with this in [[User talk:Confocal#Adding false information and trying to retain it.|your userpage]].
:When past statements once widely regarded as facts are held to examination and found to be incorrect, past nomenclature ought not to be conserved for the sake of historical consistency, for in [[LifeWiki:LifeWiki is not Wikipedia#How LifeWiki is like Wikipedia|How LifeWiki ''is'' like Wikipedia]], it refers to the Wikipedia policy to {{LinkWikipedia|Wikipedia:Be_bold|name=be bold|nobullet=no|nosuffix=no}}. Please desist in your ways, they are becoming very slightly marginally annoying. [[User:DroneBetter|DroneBetter]] ([[User talk:DroneBetter|talk]]) 22:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Quoting from [[LifeWiki:Notability]]: "To prevent overenthusiastic edits and conflicts of interest, a commonly accepted rule is that the discoverer of a pattern, inventor of new terminology, writer of a program, etc., etc., should not be the one to document that pattern, term, or program on the LifeWiki." I think your repeated attempts to rename the {{rl|Logarithmic replicator rule}} go against that. They are obviously overenthusiastic, and neither of the proposed new names is commonly used by people in conversations. The existing name might fail to be perfect, but it is the existing name actually used by people in conversations. Names do not have to be completely logical. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 22:20, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

== Future of the ''spartan'' parameter ==
Does the infobox parameter "spartan" in {{tl|conduit}} still make sense? There are only two possible values (<nowiki>spartan = yes</nowiki> or <nowiki>spartan = no</nowiki>), as if this was some objective choice out of two possibilities. Yet the page [[Spartan]] clearly acknowledges that there are several different meanings of the word. E.g. would it help to add a third possibility "neo-Spartan"? Would it help to clarify which definition is intended? Or maybe it is better to discard the parameter? Or any other possibility? [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
: Yup, I've been thinking about the same thing in light of some recent edits -- e.g., the change from Bx222 being non-Spartan (in the original sense) to now being Spartan (in the new "neo-Spartan" sense).
: It's not causing any really huge problems the way it is, but that parameter definitely isn't conveying information anywhere near as clearly as the original binary yes/no did, back when "yes" meant you could use it in self-constructing circuitry, and "no" meant you couldn't.
: Maybe at some point it could be converted to a three-option parameter -- "Spartan", "neo-Spartan", or "non-Spartan"? -- with the parameter name changing to "Constructibility" or some such. (?) [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 00:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:: I think that the best option is to keep the parameter but put it such that there are 3 options: No, Yes and Neo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Haycat2009|Haycat2009]] ([[User talk:Haycat2009|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Haycat2009|contribs]]) 07:25, 6 October 2023
::: This seems like a fine option to me. Discarding the parameter entirely, as confocaloid suggests, also seems like a fine option -- it's not terribly useful information to have in the infobox. Anyone who understands the subtleties of the differences between "Yes", "No" and "Neo" will also be able to instantly recognize which category a conduit falls into, by glancing at the LifeViewer image. Anyone who doesn't understand the subtleties might not get much out of the value in that parameter anyway.
::: However, having the parameter there might make newcomers curiouso about what "Spartan" means. As long as there are people willing to keep the parameter up to date across all of the conduit articles, either option definitely does seem perfectly workable. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 16:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

:::: To be able to keep the parameter up to date in a consistent way, one would need to choose and fix a "LifeWiki-official" meaning. Right now, I don't think the parameter is added consistently across the wiki. I think popularizing the idea of [[Spartan]]ness could be done in the main text of articles. To me it seems to be too complicated to be covered by an infobox line. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 04:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

== Template:StillLifeComponent ==

Should [[Template:StillLifeComponent]] have a 'family' parameter?
(Because most induction coils are extendable.) [[User:TYCF|TYCF]] ([[User talk:TYCF|talk]]) 14:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

== How do I create a subpage? ==

Hey. I want to make a subpage of my user page containing my (alternate) names for several patterns. How do I do it? [[User:HerscheltheHerschel|HerscheltheHerschel]] ([[User talk:HerscheltheHerschel|talk]]) 12:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
: [[User:HerscheltheHerschel/Example_subpage_name]] [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 12:58, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
:: Just create that page. [[User:Unname4798|Unname4798]] ([[User talk:Unname4798|talk]]) 17:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
::: Writing "Just create that page" and then [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=139409 creating it yourself] in someone else's userspace is inconsistent at best. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 18:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
:::: Oops, I done it accidentally. [[User:Unname4798|Unname4798]] ([[User talk:Unname4798|talk]]) 18:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

== Wiki discussions location ==
As discussed in [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5696 this thread], there is now a [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=16 LifeWiki Discussion forum]. Discussions about wiki stuff should now happen there instead of the Tiki Bar. If people end up hating that forum, we can talk about moving things back to the Tiki Bar, but let's give the LifeWiki Discussion forum a go for now. [[User:Nathaniel|Nathaniel]] ([[User talk:Nathaniel|talk]]) 22:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

LifeWiki:Editor pages

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'''Welcome to [[LifeWiki:About|LifeWiki]]!''' This is a site devoted to cataloguing everything about [[Conway's Game of Life]] and related [[cellular automata]]. LifeWiki (as its name suggests) is a wiki, much like [http://www.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] (though [[LifeWiki:LifeWiki is not Wikipedia|not ''exactly'' like Wikipedia]]). This means that the entire site is a collaborative effort, to which anybody may contribute; just create an account and then click "[[Help:Editing|edit]]" at the top of any page contribute to that page. Changes and additions are always welcome, whether you are adding new [[pattern]]s to the site or just correcting a typo.

'''NOTE: After you create your account, a [[LifeWiki:Moderators|LifeWiki Moderator]] must set it to ''[[LifeWiki:Trusted|Trusted]]'' before you can edit the wiki. This is to prevent SPAM attacks. Post in [http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2300 this forum thread] (you will also need to create a forums account) to have your account trusted.'''

==Help pages==
If you have never edited a wiki before, you will find our [[Help:Contents|help]] pages to be very useful as you get the hang of things. The help pages introduce you to the [[Help:Editing|editing]] procedure, proper [[Help:Formatting|wiki markup]], and other similar topics.
* '''[[Help:Categories|Categories]]''' - how to create and use categories effectively
* '''[[Help:Editing|Editing]]''' - a step-by-step guide to making a simple edit to a page
* '''[[Help:Formatting|Formatting]]''' - a description of how to produce proper spacing, emphasis, and so on within articles
* '''[[Help:Images|Images]]''' - how to create and upload images that match the formats used within the wiki
* '''[[LifeWiki:Pattern_pages#Pattern_pages:_howto_in_a_nutshell|Patterns]]''' - how to add one or more patterns to an article and display an image using [[LifeViewer]]
* '''[[LifeWiki:Pattern_pages#RLE_namespace_patterns]]''' - how to add pattern files to the [[RLE]] namespace for use by LifeViewer and upload to the Patterns directory
* '''[[Help:Rules|Rules]]''' - how to create new rule table and tree definitions in the Rule namespace repository, for reference by LifeViewer
* '''[[Help:Links|Links]]''' - how to connect wiki pages with each other and the outside web
* '''[[Help:Quick editing guide|Quick editing guide]]''' - a brief introduction to editing that goes over the most-used features and commands
* '''[[Help:Tables|Tables]]''' - for organizing data in rows and columns
* '''[[Help:Templates|Templates]]''' - useful for creating several articles (or sections of articles) that follow a similar format

==Policies and guidelines==
{{main|LifeWiki:Policies and guidelines|Policies and guidelines}}
Because there is no official structure that polices the quality of our site, we have had to adopt various rules, procedures, and values that allow everyone to make effective contributions to the wiki. New editors on the site are not required to read through all of these policies and guidelines; they are not a list of rules that must be understood before participating in the site. Most of them are based upon common sense. Editors who act in good faith and treat other members of the community with good faith are unlikely to encounter any problems; editors will be notified if a situation arises where a policy or guideline may be relevant.

* '''[[LifeWiki:Deletion policy|Deletion policy]]''' - how and why to request deletion of a page
* '''[[LifeWiki:LifeWiki is not Wikipedia|LifeWiki is not Wikipedia]]''' - even though LifeWiki is similar in style to [http://www.wikipedia.org Wikipedia], there are important differences
* '''[[LifeWiki:Notability|Notability]]''' - what patterns and topics warrant their own page in LifeWiki
* '''[[LifeWiki:Pattern pages|Pattern pages]]''' - because the majority of the wiki is made up of pages about particular [[pattern]]s, there are plenty of guidelines in place to ensure that they are high-quality and of consistent format
* '''[[LifeWiki:Protection policy|Protection policy]]''' - what pages are protected from anonymous or non-administrative edits, and why
* '''[[LifeWiki:Style guide|Style guide]]''' - language use, proper capitalization, when and how to use emphasis, and so on

==Contributing==
These are many simple ways in which users can help improve LifeWiki, many of which do not require much knowledge of [[cellular automata]].

* '''[[LifeWiki:Helping out|Helping out]]''' - general ideas for improving the quality of the site
* '''[[LifeWiki:Task list|Task list]]''' - specific tasks that editors have requested be taken care of

There are several pages available to editors to help them find useful tools and categories quickly.

* '''[[LifeWiki:Editor categories|Editor categories]]''' - a list of categories and special pages that keep track of articles that need work
* '''[[LifeWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]''' - an area where users can experiment with wiki markup to their heart's content
* '''[[LifeWiki:Template list|Template list]]''' - a description of templates that are heavily-used throughout the site

==See also==
* [[LifeWiki:Privacy policy]]

{{ContributeNavbox}}

LifeWiki:Trusted

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'''Trusted''' is a permission that is required before a LifeWiki user can edit the wiki. This is to prevent SPAM attacks. This permission can only be granted by [[LifeWiki:Moderators|LifeWiki moderators]]. Post in [http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2300 this forum thread] (you will also need to create a forums account) to have your account trusted.

An automatically-generated list of current Editors is available at [[Special:Listusers/trusted]].

==See also==
* [[LifeWiki:Editor pages]]
* [[LifeWiki:Editors]]
* [[LifeWiki:Moderators]]

User talk:Muzik/Spaceship

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Nathaniel: Nathaniel moved page User talk:AwesoMan3000/Spaceship to User talk:Muzik/Spaceship: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "AwesoMan3000" to "Muzik"

==Using [[Template:PatternDownload]]==

You may want to edit this to not use [[Template:PatternDownload]], as that template will categorize the transcluding article according to its glider synthesis cost -- best to either fork [[Template:PatternDownload]] (as [[User:AwesoMan3000/PatternDownload]] or so, please don't put a fork in the main <tt>Template:</tt> namespace), or replace the transclusion of that template with a direct copy. -- [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 14:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Muzik/Page drafts/Perfect speed

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Nathaniel: Nathaniel moved page User talk:AwesoMan3000/Page drafts/Perfect speed to User talk:Muzik/Page drafts/Perfect speed: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "AwesoMan3000" to "Muzik"

Do you have a source/reference for this term? It's not in, say, the Life Lexicon, and seems to have been [http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2743 invented] [http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2899 by you]. The only other time the term "perfect speed" has been used is [http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=399&p=3153#p3153 here], seven years ago and with a different (non-technical) meaning. But perhaps I'm wrong and just haven't seen it.

If you ''did'' invent it yourself -- nothing wrong with inventing new terminology, of course! (If noone did that, we wouldn't have any at all, after all.) But my gut feeling is that we should wait until terms have caught on somewhat before creating entries for them. (As usual, a great way of gauging whether something ''you'' came up with warrants an article is whether someone ''else'' will write about it. If so, it almost certainly does.)

If you want to create new (glossary) articles, there's quite a few things written about in the Life Lexicon that we don't have articles on, say. (And with Dave Greene's forthcoming Life Lexicon update, that's only going to get worse!) [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 21:03, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
: Agreed on all points here. Of course, I'm just now painfully finishing up said Lexicon update, so I'm particularly paranoid about the invention of common terms that aren't really common terms (yet!).
: If either the wiki or the Lexicon ended up with an entry for every clever bit of terminology that someone promoted as a good idea at some point in the last forty-odd years... well, you wouldn't be able to find any of the actual commonly used terms amid all the clutter. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 14:43, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

::Aye, agreed, and I've gone and moved the page out of the main article namespace. It's in good company, sharing the fate of e.g. [[User:H. V. McIntosh/Herparium]], [[User:Carbon6/Gnarl]], [[User:Tropylium/Augmented still life]], [[User:Tropylium/Primitive still life]] and other entries. (I've also since started my own [[User:Apple Bottom/Incubator|incubator]] for everything that's of interest to ''me'' but not necessarily meeting the bar for having an actual article.) [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 18:59, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Muzik/Catagolue objects needing pages

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Nathaniel: Nathaniel moved page User talk:AwesoMan3000/Catagolue objects needing pages to User talk:Muzik/Catagolue objects needing pages: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "AwesoMan3000" to "Muzik"

Most of these don't need their own page. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 22:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

User talk:Muzik

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Nathaniel: Nathaniel moved page User talk:AwesoMan3000 to User talk:Muzik: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "AwesoMan3000" to "Muzik"

== Caterpillar_macrocell_part_1 etc. ==
May I ask you what were you doing there? [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 19:41, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
:I was using wiki pages to transfer the .mc code for the caterpillar from computer to iPad. None of the conventional methods worked. [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 21:09, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
::Have you heard of Dropbox maybe? LifeWiki is not your own file storage. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 21:25, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
:::That wouldn't work. For some reason, on iOS, you can't select very large .rle or .mc files. [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 21:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

== Cite web ==

Howdy -- since you indicated in an edit comment you didn't know how to use {{[[:Template:cite web|cite web]]}}, I thought I'd give you a quick intro. It's actually really easy; instead of putting a bare URL inside <tt><ref></tt> tags, use the following, and fill in the correct parameters:

:<tt><nowiki>{{cite web|url=http://example.com|title=Page title|author=Author's name|date=January 1, 1970|accessdate=Today's date}}</nowiki></tt>

There's more parameters, but these are the important ones. Alternatively, you can see how it's being used e.g. [http://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Loafer&curid=6634&diff=22049&oldid=22048 here]. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 23:27, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

== General rule of thumb ==

Do not write about your own contributions in the wiki. If they're significant, people will mention it (sooner or later). I'd been waiting for a year (no, actually, I hadn't :)) before Dave created an article about [[weekender distaff]]. Be patient. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 08:09, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
* By "my contributions", do you mean writing stuff in the edit summary, or noting the process of naming the copperhead? [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 08:38, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
** I haven't understood what you meant by "writing stuff in the edit summary", but edit summary is generally not a problem, as it is meta. I meant process of naming the copperhead in particular, but it also includes (but is not limited to) patterns you found. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 10:47, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
*** Don't remember writing about any of my discoveries (except possibly Honey factory, which was probably known around the time of the pentadecathlon anyway), so unless you were talking about the c/10 blinker fuse I don't remember writing anything about patterns I found? - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 11:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
**** I mentioned writing articles about one's own patterns just preventively. You know, 50% of new LifeWiki contributors start with creating articles about still lifes, methuselahs or whatever patterns they "discovered". It's good that you're not susceptible to this flaw. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 22:17, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
*** P.S. When I tried to post this, it said my edit had new external links and gave me the verification thing. I don't see any external links here.
**** Hmm, me neither. [[User:Codeholic|Codeholic]] ([[User talk:Codeholic|talk]]) 22:17, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
***** Unless it was referring to the link in the section before this, which still makes next to no sense since I was still only editing this section when the message appeared. [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 22:18, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

==[[LifeWiki:Tiki bar]]==
Howdy! The LifeWiki's lacked a central discussion page so far, so I've gone ahead and created the [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar]] as a friendly place where the community can get together to discuss things in a relaxed atmosphere. You're cordially invited to join in!

The first discussion I started is on how to best integrate the LifeViewer applet ([[LV:Viewer]]) that is now available on the LifeWiki thanks to [[User:Nathaniel]]'s efforts.

See you at the bar! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

==RLE snippets==
I appreciate that you're trying to help by adding RLE snippets, but could you exercise a bit more diligence? In particular:

# The title of the page containing the snippet needs to match the <tt>pname=</tt> parameter from the pattern's infobox. For example, the RLE snippet for the [[LWSS]] lives at [[RLE:lwss]], not RLE:lightweight spaceship, which does precisely nothing.
## (Just for the future and because I know it'll eventually come up, capitalization matters, too, so it really has to be [[RLE:lwss]] and not e.g. [[RLE:Lwss]].)
# Once a pattern has an RLE snippet, it usually also needs a <tt>viewerconfig=</tt> parameter in its infobox so the RLE will be played correctly. This is '''especially''' important for spaceships, which will otherwise quickly move off-screen.
# The RLE code needs to be '''correct'''. The [[Coe ship]]'s, for instance, wasn't.

Thanks! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 09:35, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

:thanks. Being as stupid as I am I was kind of wondering what names I should have used.
:Also, I'm still having a lot of trouble figuring out the config... - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 09:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

::The configuration is a bit... obaque, I'll say, yes. The most important parameters you need to know (and likely want to specify) are GPS (generations per second) for both oscillators and spaceships; and TRACK (track a pattern) for spaceships. The latter takes three parameters: the number of generations to track, and the total X and Y offsets by which the pattern moves.

::As for other parameters, I've found it's generally best to copy the viewerconfig= parameter from another page and tweak them until the embedded viewer looks good.

::BTW, for pages that already have downloadable RLE files it's probably best to make the on-wiki RLE snippet match what's in those files. At the very least it'll make it easier to check that the on-wiki RLE is indeed correct - otherwise it may well be, but it won't be obvious. ;) [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 09:56, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

:::Been doing the copying for the Cordership pages. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 09:57, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

::::Cool. BTW, maybe it would be best if you tried to get a page working right before starting work on the next -- one step at a time! There's no rush, after all, and "good" beats "fast".

::::Oh, and a few more notes. First, RLE snippets can contain newlines, you don't need to edit those out. ;) And second, the embedded viewer has so far only been added for oscillators and spaceships, not e.g. guns, so there's no use (yet) in adding snippets for those. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 10:06, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

==Infobox parameters==
Howdy! I thought I'd give you a quick heads-up re: infobox parameters. :) Parameters such as <tt>rle=</tt> or <tt>animated=</tt> should only be specified if an RLE file, animated image etc. actually exists. If they are specified, it doesn't matter what their value is -- even "false" is interpreted as "this exists", so e.g. <tt>rle=false</tt> will not do what one would think.

All the best! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 10:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:I tried taking away the RLE line, but then the viewer would fail to appear.

:Also, would <tt>rle=0</tt> also be seen as yes? - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 11:01, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

::Hmm, without having taken another look at the pattern infobox template I'm 99.44% sure you need to pass <tt>nofile=1</tt> (or =anything, really) if there's no downloadable files, or the infobox will not display either an image or the viewer. Don't ask me why it's done this way; I suspect it's a relic from the days where those editing on here were largely just those who also had the ability to upload RLE/... files.

::And I'm fairly sure it would be seen as that, yes.

::P.S. -- thanks for contributing and writing articles on new rules and things, BTW. ;) [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

==Infoboxes for non-Life patterns==
Also, when you're putting articles on patterns in non-standard rules on subpages of your user page, I'm not sure it's a good idea to use the usual templates such as [[Template:Spaceship]]. The reason is that these populate categories such as [[:Category:Spaceships with period 4]] etc., and the consensus at the [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar]] was that these should not contain patterns that don't actually work in Conway Life. You may want to rekindle that debate, or start a new one. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:54, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:Was worried about that. Isn't there a way to cancel out the automatic addition of categories?
:or maybe someone could make a copy of the infobox that does not automatically add any categories? - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 12:43, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

::Those could both be made to work, yes. I'm not a big fan of changing the standard templates just so they can support patterns that aren't supposed to go into the main namespace in the first place, but you could certainly copy and modify them, ideally into your own userspace, say [[User:AwesoMan3000/Spaceship]]. Template transclusion works just the same no matter whether the transcluded page is in the Template: namespace or not, though if it isn't you have to explicitely specify the namespace. I've set up an example template for spaceships for you. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 12:55, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

==[[MWSS]] LifeViewer==
The viewer's working fine; there must be a problem on your side. Have you tried clearing your browser cache to make sure you have the latest LifeViewer Javascript?

If the problem persists, please raise the issue at the [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar|Tiki bar]] so it can be fixed rather than covered up. Correct viewerconfig is important. Thanks. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 15:18, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

==Images==
Howdy, a few tips re: images:

# Use black-on-white, not Golly's default.
# Use PNG, not JPEG, for still images.
# Include a description of some sort when uploading images.
# Ideally, upload images in the size that they're supposed to be used in; don't expect that MediaWiki's image scaling will produce good results.

[[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 10:19, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

:You can't upload images as png from an iPad after you crop them. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 12:49, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

::In that case iPads may not be suitable for images altogether. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 21:03, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

==Viewerconfig==
When you add RLE snippets for oscillators etc., please add a viewerconfig line to the pattern's infobox as well. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 21:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

==How to stop the infobox from reading <tt>RLE:</tt> pages==
In reply to your [http://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=RLE:parallelhbk&oldid=28074&diff=28074 edit summary] on RLE:parallelhbk in which you asked:

:''So how do I stop the infobox from trying to read these?''

You don't. The whole point of the <tt>RLE:</tt> pages is that they're read by the infobox's Lifeviewer plugin and used to display the pattern. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 10:42, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

==Pattern parameters==
Howdy, please be careful that you get the vital parameters right when adding new patterns. Readers WILL rely on these figures being correct, but for instance, [[Two cis griddles with two tubs]] and [[Two trans griddles with two tubs]] both had the wrong heat and volatility.

The wiki doesn't have enough editors for double-checking to be viable; the only reason I caught these two is because the template rounds down heat and would thus have put them in Category:Oscillators with heat 0. (If you think about it for a moment, BTW, it's obvious that no oscillator can have heat strictly less than 1.)

So please, when adding new patterns, try and make 100% sure that these parameters are correct. When in doubt use a tool like Jason's [http://entropymine.com/jason/life/oscillizer/ Oscillizer] to determine them. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

== Editing infobox templates ==

You have made some edits to infobox templates recently, and I want to give a few comments before you make any more.

First, don't edit any of the current templates without testing your edits first. To test your edits, I suggest creating a test template under your namespace. For example, User:AwesoMan3000/Template:test. To use this template on a page, write <nowiki>{{User:AwesoMan3000/Template:test|...}}</nowiki>.

When you test your template edits, make sure that the template works exactly as it used to, except for whatever added feature you gave it. Your recent edits to the oscillator infobox template added a new line at the top of every page that used the template (which I have now corrected).

If you want to add parameters to the infoboxes, you should discuss them in the tiki bar first. Also, new parameters need to be explained in the "special parameters" section of the template page. ~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 02:49, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

== Images ==

While I do appreciate that you wrote an article on the [[pony express]], I'd like to ask you to please:

# Not upload duplicate images unnecessarily, e.g. re-uploading [[:File:Ponyexpress samplesoup gen5000.png]] as [[:File:Ponyexpress.png]].
# Make sure that images used in infoboxes are not so large as to break the layout of said infoboxes and the articles containing them.
# Retain authorship and licensing information when (re)uploading images I created or their derivative works.

I've fixed up [[:File:Ponyexpress.png]], adding all the necessary information and also uploading a smaller version (resized in Golly), but please: don't make ME do extra work unnecessarily. It's up to YOU (and every other LifeWiki editor) to exercise care, clean up after themselves, and not be sloppy.

Thanks. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 18:46, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Article quality ==

When adding new articles, please make sure that they live up to at least a modest standard of quality. [http://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Floodgate&oldid=36380 This] is, frankly, a trainwreck.

I've mopped up a lot after you in the past, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to keep on doing so. We're all responsible adults here (I sure hope!) looking to keep the LifeWiki a high-quality resource, so please do your share and clean up after yourself.

[[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 23:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

:It's not easy. 14 (nearly 15) is for some reason not considered an adult, I can't produce any decent quality images for articles on mobile (any way to generate these in PC?), and ever since iOS 10 happened Golly has been buggered over and I can't get functional apgcodes. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 01:02, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

::Here are some things you CAN do, then (this is not an exhaustive list).

::* Don't upload images if you can't create decent ones. There's nothing wrong with not having any. Alternatively ask someone else to create them, e.g. at the [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar]].
::* Add infobox parameters. If you don't know what an oscillator's period, heat etc. is, use [http://entropymine.com/jason/life/oscillizer/ Jason's Oscilizer].
::* Add a <tt>viewerconfig</tt> if you're adding a raw RLE snippet for an oscillator, spaceship etc.
::* Create missing category pages as necessary/appropriate.
::* Proofread for spelling, grammar and style.

::It doesn't matter whether you're 14 or 140. Nobody's expecting you to do things you can't do, but please do the things you can indeed do. And if you can't do something well, for whatever reason, please consider not doing it and instead asking someone else who's in a better position to do it. (Again, the Tiki bar is a good place for this, I think.) [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 13:18, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

:::How do you create your images though? - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 21:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

::::I wrote a script to convert RLE files to images. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 10:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Notability ==

I ran into your honey factory entry in one of the [http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Category:Pages_with_raw_RLE_code_but_no_uploaded_pattern_files Pages Needing Attention] lists, and it got me worrying. Another example is floodgate. I'm not sure if there are other cases out there, or if this was just a quick experiment with the Constellation category back in January. (?)

At a first glance, I think these two definitions should be removed. The problem with them is that, well, nobody has ever used these terms (as far as I can tell). A good rule of thumb seems to be that if a term hasn't been used multiple times by multiple people other than the term's inventor, in a discussion on the forums or elsewhere, then it shouldn't be cluttering up the LifeWiki... yet!

If it's important enough that a particular term end up in the LifeWiki, then a good way to make that happen is to bring it up in discussions, and get other people interested. The proof that it's actually interesting enough to belong on the LifeWiki is when several people-other-than-you actually use it regularly.

This lets us dodge a whole series of thorny questions about whether the name is appropriate or not, whether someone else could come up with a better name, and so on. If it's in general use, then it's useful to record it. If it's not in general use, maybe it will be in a couple of years, and that's fine -- but that means it should get into the LifeWiki in a couple of years, not now.

...Sound reasonable?

Thanks for all your work on the LifeWiki, by the way! I always feel a little evil when I want to nominate particular articles for deletion, but sometimes it just seems like the best idea. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 18:08, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

:Just to chime in -- deletion is much less evil if you move a problematic article to a subpage of the creator's user page instead (and then edit it so it doesn't show up in the usual categories anymore). That way the work that was put in wasn't for naught, but the main namespace remains free of non-notable material. It's the best of both worlds.

:Outright deletion is still appropriate for pages that don't belong anywhere on the LifeWiki, of course. -- [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 21:13, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

::Subpage seems fine then, I'll probably be too lazy to actually work on them though, but maybe occasionally. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]])

== Oscillator volatility ==

Howdy,

first of all, thanks for the new articles on those smallest period-''n'' oscillators. Second, you seem to be having some trouble with figuring out [[volatility|volatilities]], so I thought I'd give you a primer.

It's actually really simple. I presume you're using Oscillizer to analyze these? Using [[Pseudo-barberpole on rattlesnake]] as an example, you may have gotten the following results:

[[File:Oscillizer pseudobarberpoleonrattlesnake.png|center]]

The volatility figure you're looking for here is 62.64% (you seem to have gone for the strict volatility instead). There's a twist, though, in that Oscillizer reports volatilities as percentages, while the LifeWiki gives them as fractions.

In other words, a volatility of 62.64% corresponds to 0.6264. And we also round volatilities to two decimal digits, so the [http://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-barberpole_on_rattlesnake&diff=37023&oldid=37010 correct infobox parameter] in this case would be <tt>v = 0.63</tt>.

I hope that clears things up.

P.S. -- you created a bunch of redirects to a currently non-existent article, [[Adjustable glider loops]]. You ARE going to write that now, aren't you? ;)

[[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 09:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

== Further tips and requests ==

Howdy, some more tips and requests.

1) There's no need to ask admins to delete redirects created after moving a page; MediaWiki has an option to avoid creating them in the first place:

[[File:Page move no redirect.png|center]]

2) When creating articles for patterns that do not have an RLE file uploaded (a proper file, not an on-wiki RLE snippet!), please specify <tt>nofile = true</tt> in the infobox, NOT <tt>rle = true</tt>. This will ensure that a) there's no links leading nowhere; and b) the relevant tracking categories are filled in, allowing admins to identify which articles are missing RLE files, and create/upload those files.

3) When using Mark Niemiec's pattern database, why not specify the glider synthesis count for a pattern if he lists it? (E.g. 20 for [[Merzenich's p64]].)

4) Please apply some common sense when naming articles. It should be obvious that "Merzenich's P64 4 blocks hassling 2 beehives and 2 R pentominos" in Mark's database is missing a semicolon, and that "Merzenich's p64" and "4 blocks hassling 2 beehives and 2 R-pentominoes" are really two different names for the same object.

5) As with all other infobox paramters, please make sure the <tt>viewerconfig</tt> is reasonably correct -- e.g. not looping every 48 generations for a period-64 oscillator.

6) Finally, please add missing categories as necessary (using the right templates, of course). You're already mostly doing this, but there were a few left missing after your latest batch of edits.

As a general principle -- if you're creating/editing pages it's your duty to "clean up after yourself" and make sure that they're in a good shape, that information listed is correct, and so on. The less work others have to do as a result of your edits, the better!

And all this said, thanks for your contributions! [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 21:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

That's about all I can think of for now.

: 1) I am well aware of this, and have used it extensively on other wikis, but it doesn't show up for me. I would use it if it actually showed up, trust me.

: 5) seems I forgot the looping was still there.

- [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 21:37, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

==Even more tips==

Howdy, and first of all, thanks for all the continuing contributions. A few more requests:

1) Could you please create all new missing categories, at least where category templates to do this are already available? For example, you recently missed [[:Category:Oscillators with 416 cells]], [[:Category:Oscillators with 106 cells]] and [[:Category:Oscillators with heat 127]], though you created other categories for the articles appearing in these.

2) Could you please include the header line for RLE snippets in the <tt>RLE:</tt> namespace? For instance, on [[RLE:Twinbeesshuttleshasslingblinker]], don't just put

17b2o31bo$2o15bobo7b2o10b2o8b2o15b2o$2o17bo7b2o10b2o7b2o16b2o$17b3o29b
2o2b2o4$17b3o29b2o2b2o$2o17bo12b3o13b2o16b2o$2o15bobo29b2o15b2o$17b2o
31bo!

but rather put

x = 68, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
17b2o31bo$2o15bobo7b2o10b2o8b2o15b2o$2o17bo7b2o10b2o7b2o16b2o$17b3o29b
2o2b2o4$17b3o29b2o2b2o$2o17bo12b3o13b2o16b2o$2o15bobo29b2o15b2o$17b2o
31bo!

(This'll make it much easier to create "proper" RLE files and upload them.)

3) Could you please adjust the viewer config for oscillators? In particular, could you make sure that the entire oscillator is shown in the embedded viewer? The viewer applet may get the size wrong if the oscillator is (much) larger in phases other than the one encoded by the RLE.

<tt>GPS</tt> values are important, too. A period-2 oscillator is best displayed at a different speed than (say) a period-200 oscillator.

"Good" viewer configs are a bit of a black art, but if you fiddle with them a bit you'll quickly get a feeling for them.

4) On the subject of viewerconfigs -- as I said above, please also make sure that when using the <tt>LOOP</tt> viewer command, the period given is actually '''correct'''. When in doubt, leave out the LOOP command, it isn't really needed for oscillators.

5) Finally, please make sure that the RLE snippets you upload are correct (i.e. actually encode the pattern, rather than e.g. a predecessor). I fixed up the snippet for [[P200 traffic jam]], but I don't have the time to check every single RLE snippet. Running an RLE snippet through Oscillizer is a good way of testing it: if Oscillizer complains that it cannot determine the period, chances are that the RLE is not correct.

All in all -- when you're finished with a new entry, it should be in the best state it can be. Nobody's perfect, but please don't leave things half-finished (or even 90% finished!); YOU are responsible for your work! And don't sacrifice quality for the sake of quantity; it's better to write one good entry than two that need clean-up. (There's always another day for more contributions, after all.)

And this said, again, thanks for the contributions, and if you need help or have questions, the Tiki Bar is always serving drinks. -- [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 12:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

:If you want the articles to be in the best state they can be, would you mind linking the script that lets you generate pattern images? Not trying to be rude or anything, but it would certaintly be a step in the right direction if you want me to create more complete articles.

:As for everything else, I'll do what I can. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 13:17, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

::The script's not online anywhere, and isn't in a state where I could release it right now. I'll see what I can do about beating it into shape, but it may take a while, I don't usually have that much spare time to spend on these things. -- [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 13:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

==apgcode infobox parameter==

BTW, good work on adding those missing <tt>apgcode=</tt> parameters to pattern infoboxes. There's quite a few of these left -- the following categories track articles missing this parameter:

* [[:Category:Oscillators with no apgcode infobox parameter]]
* [[:Category:Spaceships with no apgcode infobox parameter]]
* [[:Category:Still lifes with no apgcode infobox parameter]]

So if you're in the mood, there's a lot of low-hanging fruit waiting to be picked there! (Due to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue the way that MediaWiki works], these categories may take a while to be fully populated -- in particular, the "spaceships" one is empty right now, but it certainly won't stay empty.) [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 13:54, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

==Spaceships in other rules==
I'll take your word that [http://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Spaceship&curid=24&diff=39688&oldid=39676 this] was indeed incorrect (though I don't quite understand why; perhaps you could be so kind and explain), but I'd like to caution you to not throw around words like "lie" so easily. A lie is a deliberate misstatement intended to deceive — and calling someone a liar is a pretty grave insult. If a statement is factually incorrect, describe it as such, but don't call it a lie unless you have reason to believe it was placed deliberately. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 00:11, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

==List of rules investigated on Catagolue==
Hi, just wanted to let you know there's no need to update this manually. No real harm in doing so, of course, but I'm keeping it updated semi-automatically, and any changes you make will be overwritten anyway. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 21:15, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
:That I know - I was just doing it to confirm the fact that all rules without B0, B1 and B2 and without survival conditions and with at least B3 were all searched, which seems to now be true. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 21:37, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

::Fair enough - and to qualify my earlier statement, I of course look at the page's history to see if anyone else has changed it, and if so, try to incorporate those changes (such as additions of rule names). [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 11:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

==The list of rules, again==
Re: [http://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_rules_investigated_on_Catagolue/Hexagonal&diff=50686&oldid=50507 this edit] --- since I'm the one maintaining these lists, I'd like you to ask to not make changes like that that'll disrupt my workflow for no good reason. Unless, of course, YOU are volunteering to take over maintainership of these lists, in which case I'll stop updating them so you can go wild. [[User:Apple Bottom|Apple Bottom]] ([[User talk:Apple Bottom|talk]]) 18:16, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

:Surely it wouldn't be that difficult to split up the hexagonal rulespace list so the script could fill them in individually, though? - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 16:17, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

== Check pattern collections before editing ==

Your recent table in the [[Spaceship#Elementary_spaceships|elementary spaceship]] section of the spaceship page has many errors. Please check the [https://github.com/Matthias-Merzenich/jslife-moving relevant pattern collection] before adding information to the wiki.

Just from memory ''at least'' the following are wrong as of this posting (all orthogonal): 3c/9, 2c/10, 5c/15, 10c/20 ~[[User:Sokwe|Sokwe]] 02:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

== "Aircraft carrier" vs. "carrier" ==

I've been slowly going through and making adjustments to various articles, before running the auto-upload script to collect all your new still life patterns (and other recent additions) for the LifeWiki pattern collection.

For some reason I've been unable to stand the idea of creating files with names like "aircraftcarrierbridgeaircraftcarrier_synth.rle", when the old form "carrierbridgecarrier_synth.rle" seems so reasonable by comparison. "Carrier" has been an unambiguous short form of "aircraft carrier" for a long time. I've also ventured to rename one article ( the [[Carrier_siamese_carrier|a.c. siamese a.c one]]) back, because the switch to a new name was only partly done anyway -- the actual article text wasn't adjusted.

Really I'd like to move back all of the pages that now say "aircraft carrier" instead of just "carrier", on similar grounds. I feel a bit guilty about doing that, because you no doubt had some reason for making that change semi-systematically in a lot of places. Does that set of moves still seem like it was a good idea? We still have other articles like [[cis-carrier-tie]] and [[trans-carrier-tie]], which don't match your new additions like [[Cis-aircraft carrier tie snake]].

If I take the responsibility for changing all these back to plain "carrier" and giving them matching pnames, it would probably make sense to also figure out what you were doing to upload object names to Catagolue. How did that work exactly? There's at least one [[https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xs12_3123c4go/b3s23 typo left to be fixed]], anyway.

-- If anyone objects to further changes to these articles, I could easily be convinced to leave them all as they are. There's an awfully big list of things I'd much rather be working on, but it seems like a good idea to get things cleaned up as much as possible before pulling the trigger on the next auto-upload. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 20:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

:I'm fine with them being moved back to their original pages, in cases where the "aircraft carrier" form of the page name is unwieldily long (>5 words). - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 21:14, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

::To be honest, I think most, if not all, of these pages would benefit from "aircraft" being removed, considering that there is virtually no confusion caused by simply calling it a carrier, which also seems to be a more common term than typing out the full name. [[User:Ian07|Ian07]] ([[User talk:Ian07|talk]]) 01:45, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

::: Here are the most recently created or changed article names: [[aircraft carrier bridge aircraft carrier]], [[trans-aircraft carrier tie snake]], [[cis-aircraft carrier tie snake]], [[aircraft carrier bridge snake]], [[aircraft carrier siamese shillelagh]], [[aircraft carrier bridge aircraft carrier]], [[aircraft carrier siamese canoe]], [[aircraft carrier siamese tub with tail]], [[aircraft carrier siamese very long snake]], [[aircraft carrier siamese hook-with-tail hook]], [[aircraft carrier siamese hook-with-tail tail]], [[aircraft carrier tie bipole]], [[aircraft carrier siamese eater tail]], [[aircraft carrier siamese eater head]], [[trans-aircraft carrier down on table]], [[trans-aircraft carrier up on table]], [[cis-aircraft carrier down on table]], [[cis-aircraft carrier up on table]], [[aircraft carrier with feather]].

::: A lot of these were created as new articles for the Great 12-Bit Project, but several were deliberately moved. I'm still not clear on why "aircraft carrier" looked like a better identifier than "carrier". Was it something to do with the alphabetical-order standardization rule that started getting followed about the same time?

::: I'm having a hard time seeing why it would be a good idea to move back to "carrier" for names with >5 words, but not for the rest of the articles. I'll probably change at least the pnames for all of the above, because if I wait until after the bulk upload it will mean more cleanup needed on the server side. Will probably leave the actual article changes for a while in hopes that someone else will make those adjustments. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 13:41, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

==Synthesis patterns==
I've been working my way through the hundreds of patterns collected by the auto-upload script, cleaning up the ones that were incorrect in various ways -- missing RLE headers, bad links, and so on. A recurring theme has been pattern syntheses copied from Mark Niemiec's database, with links included and everything, all loaded on December 21, 2018 ([http://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=RLE:Halfbakery_synth&oldid=52549 example]).

Unfortunately the home.interserv.com links have been dead for years. It's been a good bit of work cleaning all these up, so I'd like to try and make sure that no more _synth contributions show up with those dead URLs in them.

I very recently wrote the new part of the auto-upload script that handles _synth files, so there's no way anyone but me could know how it's supposed to work yet. Will have to find the right place to add some decent documentation. Meanwhile I'm putting this note here just because you're one of the few people that has added _synth files to the RLE namespace so far.

=== Standardization of comment lines ===
There shouldn't be any need to add #N name lines or any URL links in the RLE namespace pattern file. The script will automatically generate an #N header line, plus a link to the pattern article and to the location of the synthesis RLE file once it gets uploaded to conwaylife.com/patterns. An #O line giving the discoverer of the synthesis would be good if the information is available, and zero or more #C lines after that with any further details (though I think usually that kind of thing can just go in the article, and then the automatic link to the article will get people to that information.)

Also I've been adding a comment line with a direct link to the right place in Mark's database. There's no way to auto-generate that line yet, so it seems maybe useful to have it in the RLE: namespace pattern. To get the URL, go to [http://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/lifesrch.htm Mark's search page], paste in the RLE for the pattern being synthesized, and scroll down and find the '''second''' link to the pattern name in the search results table.

I'd actually like to suggest holding off on copying large amounts of information from Mark Niemiec's database for the next little while, though. An updated version of Mark's database might show up any year now, and possibly any month, and it may become possible to set up automatic links from pattern pages somehow. Anyway the new version of the database will probably have better syntheses for a lot of patterns, so there's not too much point in uploading lots of static copies of the current state of the database.

Sound reasonable? I'm just making half of this up as I go along, trying to get this auto-upload trick to work... Suggestions would be welcome for where the documentation for _synth standardization should go. Where would ''you'' look for it? [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 11:52, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

==[[Familiar fours]]==
Shortly after Land of lakes and four eaters were removed (by dvgrn or someone), you added them back. Can we please not have edit wars? There’s already been one this year. [[User:Moosey|Moosey]] ([[User talk:Moosey|talk]]) 18:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

: Agreed. At the very least, I'd like to see an explanation of A) what these patterns even are and B) whether their names have actually been used anywhere other than the wiki. Even then, are they really "familiar" enough to be mentioned in the article? I ''might'' have seen a constellation of two bi-ponds once, but definitely not four eaters. [[User:Ian07|Ian07]] ([[User talk:Ian07|talk]]) 19:43, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

:: I agree with Ian07. If you really need to add them to the article, please, at the bare minimum, provide an image or RLE or something of each. [[User:Moosey|Moosey]] ([[User talk:Moosey|talk]]) 01:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

::: The second round of re-adding the exact same text should definitely not have happened the way it did. In a case like this where there's very clear disagreement about what belongs or doesn't belong in an article, it's just plain not good enough to provide a reference only in an edit summary. Most LifeWiki users don't obsessively read the edit summaries...

::: I've added a reference where it belongs, and with any luck have also changed the offending text just enough that it will be acceptable to everyone. (But if someone edits it further, I promise not to just change it back without any discussion.) [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 16:21, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

== Demonstrating symmetries ==

Hello! I have seen that you are starting to reupload symmetry images and use them for the new [[Kinetic symmetry#Still lifes]]. They look a bit too small and extra marks besides the black-and-white soup are hard to see. How about a LifeViewer-based solution, like [[Template:Sym-demo]] that I invented for symmetry articles before static/minor-static/kinetic division? [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 09:39, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

: I don't think viewers can get that small, and I've had a lot of difficulties with pages that include a lot of viewer windows (which was one of the reasons behind em splitting the symmetry page in the first place). - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 13:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

:: Mmm, indeed, a lot of viewers could impose stress on page loading. But I'd say their advantage lies in the simplicity of formatting in a nice, consistent manner. Now that I think about it, images should be able to do that equally well if carefully generated with the same param settings. [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 14:45, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

== The two templates you're adding ==

# There are many p2s with 17-20 bits without syntheses.
# The frequency of some of the objects you're adding the template to (such as Phoenix 1) '''is''' known. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 21:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

:# Yes, I did end up noticing that. I have the cases I've added it to so far on mind and will revisit them to clarify this.
:# Keep in mind these templates are placeholders for now - they're intended to be replaced with their actual frequency.
- [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 21:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

== Why did <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki> get removed in many pages? ==

On short pages where sections are easily seen, table of contents does not seem very necessary. [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 08:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

: It was used somewhat inconsistently across pattern pages, and since I intended to make them more consistent (and didn't see much of a problem with the table of contents being present) I ended up just getting rid of it. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 15:12, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

== You recently re-split a combined [[Wing]] article ==

The recent history of [[Wing]] is a little worrisome. A couple of people discussed (on [[Talk:Wing]], where such things are supposed to be discussed) the idea of merging the three wing-variant articles.

Now, maybe your plan of adding categories to make three articles again is a good idea -- I can't really tell.

But it does seem clear that just jumping in and undoing someone else's recent changes is not terribly polite. Did you just not notice the existence of that Talk-page discussion, or what exactly happened there? In the future, can you please check carefully for discussions of this kind, before reverting recent changes?

If you add your own opinion to the relevant discussion, give fair warning of upcoming changes, and wait a reasonable amount of time to see if there are objections, then nobody will complain about this kind of thing.

It looks like you've left some further cleanup that will need to happen, if your three-pages proposal is accepted. For example, you seem to have "This article is about the induction coil." twice in the Wing article, and "Cordership" isn't reliably capitalized. [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 14:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

: I did not in fact know said talk page discussion existed. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 16:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

== Image replacement ==
Why are you lowering the resolution of still life images? [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 01:08, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
:Just noticed that they were smaller (although it's hard to tell anything visually since the wiki does not seem to update its images very consistently). The next uploads should be of a comparable resolution. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 01:11, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

== Worrisome reference to 13-bit still lifes ==

[https://www.conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Long%5E4_boat&curid=9866&diff=89078&oldid=82042 This edit comment] brings up the specter of a project that I was really hoping would never show up again.

The last time that the idea came up of adding a separate article for each of the 240 13-bit still lifes regardless of notability, was exactly three years ago today --
[https://discord.com/channels/357922255553953794/370570978188591105/527906609872240660 12/27/2018, on Discord].

muzik: how many are there, 500?
muzik: nah, 240
muzik: looks manageable, but definitely not today
Ian07: i agree with dvgrn, 12-bit seems to be a good limit
muzik: maybe i'll have all the 13 bit objects in by 2025
dvgrn: Maybe I'll put them all in a nice simple "13-bit still lifes" article in 2024, then, to proactively prevent the pointless proliferation of pages.

I'm not sure we really need a LifeWiki article for 13-bit still lifes at all, since we already have [https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/p1-13.htm Mark Niemiec's catalogue] among others. But I'm fairly sure that we **don't** need two hundred and forty separate articles about not particularly interesting 13-bit still lifes. I strongly suspect that I can dig up a lot of votes against the 240-separate-articles model, along the lines of Ian07's comment from three years ago.

The more of these separate articles that get created, the higher the likelihood gets that when someone clicks on the "Random page" link in the left-side links bar, they'll get directed to something completely uninteresting.

So... please discuss! Why does this project of creating a maze of twisty little articles, all alike, seem like a good idea? And to anyone else reading this, does this project seem like a good idea to you, and why or why not? [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 01:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

: I definitely remembered there being somewhat of an apprehension (if that's the correct word) towards pages for all 240 still lifes, but I didn't remember it being ''this'' great; I thought it was simply due to the large amount of work that would be needed to create all such pages. With these concerns in light, I probably won't go ahead and create individual pages for each and every one (the only ones that will probably get pages in the near future are those AB planned on creating back in 2016-17, and any others that are provably notable, particularly the more common ones that are yet to get a page).

: As for the "one page for all 13-cell still lifes" solution, this is definitely preferable as a result. Having such a page on the wiki is preferable to only having Mark's catalogue as a list, simply due to it being a wiki page - anyone can edit and update it, be it with updated synthesis costs, pattern names, or anything else that may arise, rather than having a page that can only be updated by Mark. The same can be said for the Catagolue xs13 listing as well, as even if it being open-source makes editing it easier, it still depends on Adam actually pushing those changes to the site. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 02:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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: We don't need all 240 13-cell still lifes. We also don't need quite a lot of the pages you created (look in [[:Category:Articles of unclear notability]] and [[:Category:Pending deletion]]). Also change wing back into one article and it's called a dead spark coil no matter what you say it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:hotdogPi|hotdogPi]] ([[User talk:hotdogPi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/hotdogPi|contribs]]) 01:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

:: Well this was a needlessly hostile response. Hadn't we already addressed all of these before? I remember having already clarified my reason for splitting wing back into three articles (and admitted I hadn't seen the talk page discussion beforehand), and am absolutely in major vocal support of moving xs18 back to dead spark coil despite this statement seemingly implying otherwise. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 02:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

== Blocked ==

I didn't want to have to do this, I ''especially'' didn't want to have to do this myself, but I do think your editing tendencies need to be seriously addressed. I'm really hoping that this can be reinstated quickly, because you definitely have made ''a lot'' of valuable contributions, and I believe you'll continue to do so. As you've seen, there's been a lot of pushback from multiple users regarding your quite numerous edits over the last few days. What pushed me to do this, though, was the revelation that you had (rather covertly) removed NOTOC tags from hundreds of pages without consensus.

{{Cquote|It was used somewhat inconsistently across pattern pages, and since I intended to make them more consistent (and didn't see much of a problem with the table of contents being present) I ended up just getting rid of it.}}

I really don't think this is a good reason at all. The table of contents is, admittedly, a bit weird in that it's automatically added on to pages with at least four sections, unless you specifically remove them. This is great on Wikipedia, where the sections are generally several paragraphs each; not so much on LifeWiki. On these smaller pages, which are typical of LifeWiki unlike other wikis, the TOC does take up quite a significant portion of the page size without aiding much in navigation, which is why the prevailing practice has been to use NOTOC except for unusually long pages. When numerous editors have actively chosen to add NOTOC or something similar to hundreds of pages across the wiki, consider asking yourself why they chose to do so before undoing these additions. And, in general, I don't think "consistency" should be the overall end goal of editing - consistency is nice, but it shouldn't be enforced at the expense of quality, and most editors seem to agree that omitting the TOC from such short pages increases the quality.

Sure, none of this is really the end of the world, however, the issue I find is that you did this (and, of course, thousands of other edits over the last few days) without seeking consensus from other users first, and, in this case, without alerting anybody to the fact that you performed them until someone else inquired about it. Bundling up these kinds of edits is okay, but ''please'' make sure you ask other users if it's really a good idea to do certain things before you go editing on this scale.

Again, I'm sorry about doing this, and I'm hoping that you can be unblocked within the next 24 hours, if not earlier, by either me or Dave.

[[User:Ian07|Ian07]] ([[User talk:Ian07|talk]]) 02:12, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

: Understood. I'd be all up for reading notoc to all afflicted pages (to my memory, I've only removed it from still life pages, and maybe some oscillators as well, so it shouldn't be hard to fix the pages in question) immediately after unblocking (unless someone has a dedicated bot set up to do it instead). Is there anything else in specific that needs addressed before unblocking? - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 02:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

:: I don't think anything else needs addressing before unblocking -- so I've gone ahead and unblocked the block. Ian07 isn't the only one who hates doing this kind of thing.

:: I'd just like to request that you talk over the 13-bit still life project in the "Please discuss" area (previous section, above) with whoever shows up to talk about it, before you embark on any more actual article creation... and start a similar discussion about future large projects. A new topic on the Tiki Bar is often a good way to give everybody fair warning -- yes, half the time probably nobody will say anything at all, but then at least the odds are a lot better that your plan isn't going to be controversial, and people can't say that they haven't been warned.

:: In 2018 it seemed to me that the 12-bit still life project added a lot of pages that weren't really needed. But they represented a lot of work and were hard to delete for that reason... along with the fact that it would have been a lot of work to delete them! So I was glad that the project reached that stopping point and didn't continue. If you don't stop after the 12-bit still lifes, why stop after the 13-bitters? -- but you have to stop somewhere! [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 02:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

::: Ha, it looks like some responses already showed up in that section. Re: the "needlessly hostile response" -- try not to take it that way: think of it as "you've accidentally thrown several people into a minor state of panic, by appearing to be determined to carry on with some ideas that seemed problematic". Some people may not have seen all of your responses at the time that they were writing '''their''' responses, just as you didn't see some Talk-page feedback when you were making your changes.

::: All in all, this is really a fairly awkward method of communication... so please give everyone the benefit of the doubt for the time being, and in the longer term keep an eye on the recent-changes list as you get back into editing stuff, so that you can reliably notice people who are trying to get your attention. Thanks! [[User:Dvgrn|Dvgrn]] ([[User talk:Dvgrn|talk]]) 02:51, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

----

All xs12 pages should have NOTOC readded. I've also made other changes along the way (removing viewerconfig from xs12 pages that had it since it did nothing, as well as removing some templates and categories I added years ago but didn't get around to doing much with). Work on readding notoc other still life pages will hopefully be done in the nearish future. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 03:25, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

== Object notability again ==

That many xWss-on-xWSS variants are listed in [[List of common spaceships]] does not mean they warrant their own LifeWiki page. Similar logic applies to what are in [[List of common oscillators]].

What is more, not all items mentioned in [[User:Apple Bottom/TODO]] (which end up moved to [[User:AwesoMan3000/Catagolue objects needing pages]]) are pageworthy as well; the idea came from a single user and no community consensus has been reached, so restarting the project should be considered carefully.[[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 03:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

: Personally I'm of the opinion that any spaceship that shows up naturally is notable. Unlike still lifes and oscillators, natural spaceships are far, far less varied (only around 50 of them if I remember right), and as such there's considerably more that can be said about them. I do plan on expanding the existing natural spaceship pages somewhat before creating more though. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 18:03, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

::Flotillas are boring in the same way that LCM oscillators are boring. They're all pretty much identical, too. [[User:HotdogPi|HotdogPi]] ([[User talk:HotdogPi|talk]]) 18:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

:: Exactly what is "more that can be said about <nowiki>[many xWss-on-xWSS variants]</nowiki>"? Constituents? Frequency? Synthesis costs/methods? See, you can just incorporate these in the table on the List of common spaceships page. Do you expect every of them has at least one unique interesting fact to mention on the page, something like [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=134152#p134152 a novel converter]? I don't, and even if there is, adding a Note column to the table is more preferable. [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 03:33, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

== The swap between cis- and trans-loaf on table ==

Apparently it has the potential to make things confusing. Is it agreed by others? [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 11:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

: I believe there were some mentions of it not lining up well with boats as I'd had it previously (as well as cis- and trans- just being weird with loaves in general). Can't remember anything in specific, though.
: Also, "cis" and "trans" have only been used for loaves on tables for two weeks or so anyway, so any confusion should be limited to said timeframe. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 11:35, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

== Color for neighbourhood images ==

Why do you decide to change from the good old green scheme to a custom blue scheme? [[User:GUYTU6J|GUYTU6J]] ([[User talk:GUYTU6J|talk]]) 08:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

: The wiki and forums use a blue-and-white color scheme, and as such this was done to match it. Also, a lot of the neighbourhood and transition images are inconsistent anyway, which I'm trying to fix. - [[User:AwesoMan3000|AwesoMan3000]] ([[User talk:AwesoMan3000|talk]]) 08:05, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

== Glossary tag on user pages ==
Would you please remove the glossary designation from:

*User:AwesoMan3000/Page drafts/Appendage
*User:AwesoMan3000/Page drafts/Exceptional sparkling springs
*User:AwesoMan3000/Page drafts/Sparkling spring?

User pages ought not be in the glossary. Thanks. [[User:Book|Book]] ([[User talk:Book|talk]]) 22:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

* In this case it is unnecessary to edit pages in userspace of other people. The automatic categories should be added only in main/OCA namespaces now. [[User:Confocal|Confocal]] ([[User talk:Confocal|talk]]) 23:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

User:Muzik/rules-table-suggestion

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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="width: 100%"
|-
! Rule !! Name !! Censuses !! Rule integer
|-
| B012345678/S ||
| 1 census || 511
|-
| B012345678/S0 ||
| 7 censuses || 1023
|-
| B012345678/S01 ||
| 3 censuses || 2047
|-
| B012345678/S012 ||
| 9 censuses || 4095
|-
| B012345678/S0123 ||
| 2 censuses || 8191
|-
| B012345678/S01234 ||
| 8 censuses || 16383
|-
| B012345678/S012345 ||
| 4 censuses || 32767
|-
| B36/S23 || [[HighLife]]
| 26 censuses || 6216
|-
| B3/S23 || [[Conway's Game of Life]]
| 206 censuses || 6152
|}

User:Muzik/rules-suggestion

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to do: update for 2022, maybe arrange into tables?
= Rules =
== 2-state ==
=== ''1D'' ===
''(Supported by Golly (range 1), Mirek's Cellebration, LifeViewer and WolframAlpha, but not searchable)''
=== 2D square tiling Moore ===
* Life (...)
* Range-1 outer-totalistic (...)
* Range-1 isotropic non-totalistic (...)
* Larger than Life (...)
* Extended-range outer-totalistic (...)
=== 2D hexagonal tiling ===
* Range-1 outer-totalistic hexagonal (...)
* Range-1 isotropic non-totalistic hexagonal (...)
* ''(Hexagonal Larger than Life)''
* ''(Hexagonal HROT)''
=== ''2D triangular tiling Moore'' ===
''(Supported by Golly via TriLife.zip, but not searchable)''
== Multistate ==
=== ''1D'' ===
''(Supported by Mirek's Cellebration and WolframAlpha, but not searchable)''
=== 2D square tiling Moore ===
* Range-1 outer-totalistic Generations (...)
* Range-1 isotropic non-totalistic Generations (...)
* Larger than Life Generations (...)
* Extended-range outer-totalistic Generations (empty)
* BSFKL (...)
* Deficient (...)
=== 2D hexagonal tiling ===
* Range-1 outer-totalistic hexagonal Generations (...)
* Range-1 isotropic non-totalistic hexagonal Generations (...)
* ''(Hexagonal Larger than Life Generations)''
* ''(Hexagonal HROT Generations)''
* ''(Hexagonal BSFKL)''

== Custom rules ==
* Custom rules (...)

User:Muzik/Spaceship

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{{#if: {{{slope|}}} |
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<th> [[Speed]] </th>
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This is an infobox template for '''[[spaceship]]s'''. An example can be seen to the right. For general information about how to use pattern templates, see [[LifeWiki:Style guide/Pattern layout]]. To see a live example of this template in action, see [[glider]].

==Special parameters==
The following parameters are optional and should only be specified if their values are known.
*'''dir''': the direction of the spaceship (either dir=Orthogonal, dir=Diagonal or dir=Oblique).
*'''slope''': the slope of the spaceship (for dir=Oblique only, e.g. slope=5).
*'''h''': the [[heat]] of the spaceship (e.g. h=4).
*'''p''': the period of the spaceship (e.g. p=4).
*'''m''': the mod of the spaceship (e.g. m=2).
*'''s''': the speed of the spaceship (e.g. s=c/4).
*'''type''': a subcategory of spaceships – leave blank for a normal spaceship or if you're unsure. The only supported value currently is "type=Puffer engine".

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User:Muzik/RExtended working notes

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== Rules in use ==
Green cells indicate "special" states which are desirable for inclusion within a general [R]Extended rule.
{| class="wikitable"
! State
! [R]History
! [R]Super
! ExtendedLife
! ExtendedLife7
! ExtendedLifeFancy
! StateInvestigator
|-
! 0
| dead
| dead
| dead
| dead
| dead
| dead
|-
! 1
| alive
| alive
| alive
| alive
| alive
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| history
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| style="background-color:#c6efce" | off-birthforcer<ref>https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4009&p=87033#p87033</ref>
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | off-birthforcer
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | on-birthforcer
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| marked alive
| marked alive
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | off-deathforcer
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | off-deathforcer
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | off-deathforcer
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| marked dead
| marked dead
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | birthforcer-deathforcer
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | birthforcer-deathforcer
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | birthforcer-deathforcer
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| marked alive, primordial
| marked alive, primordial
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | blocker
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | blocker
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | blocker
|-
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| style="background-color:#c6efce" | off-deathforcer
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | off-deathforcer
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | reactor
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | reactor
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | reactor
|-
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| marked alive no trail
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| style="background-color:#c6efce" | catalyst
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | off-birthforcer
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| marked dead no trail
! -
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| style="background-color:#c6efce" | on-deathforcer
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! -
| alive trail 2
! -
! -
|-
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! -
| dead trail 2
! -
! -
|-
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! -
| alive trail 3
! -
! -
|-
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! -
| dead trail 3
! -
! -
|-
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! -
| alive no trail 1
! -
! -
|-
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! -
| dying label
! -
! -
|-
! 15
! -
| alive no trail 2
! -
! -
|-
! 16
! -
| decayable label
! -
! -
|-
! 17
! -
| alive no trail 3
! -
! -
|-
! 18
! -
| periodic label 1
! -
! -
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! 19
! -
| alive no trail 4
! -
! -
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! 20
! -
| periodic label 2
! -
! -
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! -
| alive no trail 5
! -
! -
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! 22
! -
| periodic label 3
! -
! -
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! 23
! -
| alive no trail 6
! -
! -
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! 24
! -
| secret label
! -
! -
|-
! 25
! -
| alive no trail 7
! -
! -
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== Existing rules to convert ==
These rules should be converted to [R]Extended on-the-fly:
* extendedlife
* extendedlife_7
* extendedlifefancy
* extendedtlife
* StateInvestigator
* LeapInvestigator

== References ==
<references />

User:Muzik/Page drafts/Sparkling spring

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{{Glossary}}
A '''sparkling spring''' is any period-2 oscillator in which every cell that dies does so of underpopulation. Such oscillators are generally made up of small interacting [[spark]]s, an example being [[lei]], which is comprised of [[banana spark]]s, [[domino]] sparks and [[dot]] sparks, as well as disturbed [[blinker]]s.

A large number of sparkling springs are small oscillators which go largely unnamed and appear in soups only very rarely.

== See also ==
* [[Babbling brook]]
* [[Muttering moat]]
* [[Rumbling river]]

User:Muzik/Page drafts/Perfect speed

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A [[speed]] is said to be '''perfect''' if it is represented as a unit fraction; this means that the speed must be notated as c/n, where c is always 1 and n is any integer.

Any speed where the numerator is 2c is referred to as '''semiperfect'''.

Parity rule

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'''Parity rules''' are a specific class of [[one-dimensional cellular automata]] related to the [[XOR]] operator for two-state patterns, and more generally, the modulo function for higher prime state numbers.

The behaviour of several classes of patterns in two-dimensional cellular automata, notably [[replicator]]s, are dictated by these parity rules.

== Examples in Life ==

User:Muzik/Page drafts/Honey factory

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{{User:Apple Bottom/Stilllife
|name = Honey factory
|pname = honeyfactory
|type = constellation
|c = 40
|bx = 17
|by = 14
|rulemin = B/S23
|rulemax = B34678/S012345678
|rulespecial = [[Conway's Game of Life|Conway Life]]
|nofile = true
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'''Honey factory''' is an uncommon formation of four [[beehive]]s and four [[block]]s. It evolves from 8 cells placed in a row. It appears 1,434 times and 685 times separately in the [[list of common evolutionary sequences]], making it about 1/6 as common as the [[pulsar]] but about three times as common as the [[switch engine]].

== In other rules ==

A strongly related constellation appears within [[DryLife]].

User:Muzik/Page drafts/Floodgate

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{{User:Apple Bottom/Oscillator
|name = Floodgate
|pname = floodgate
|type = Constellation
|c = 32
|bx = 16
|by = 16
|p = 2
|h = 16
|v = 0.40
|rulemin = B3/S23
|rulemax = B3678/S02345678
|rulespecial = [[Conway's Game of Life|Conway Life]]
|rle = true
|animated = true
|viewerconfig = #C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 GPS 2 ]]
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'''Floodgate''' is a somewhat common formation of four [[blinker]]s and four [[boat]]s in the form of two [[boat-tie]]s. It has a predecessor involving two [[T-tetromino]]es.

==Gallery==
<gallery>
Floodgate predecessor.png|Floodgate predecessor consisting of two [[T-tetromino]]es. {{JavaRLE|floodgate_predecessor}}
</gallery>

User:Muzik/Page drafts/Exceptional sparkling springs

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{{Glossary}}
'''Exceptional sparkling springs''' are an arbitrary subclass of [[User:AwesoMan3000/Page drafts/Sparkling spring|sparkling spring]]s which have 12 or more cells, are not part of the [[barberpole]] family, and can be broken down into a set of small, disconnected (orthogonally or diagonally) patterns (most of which are dying sparks) in either of their two phases.

User:Muzik/Page drafts/Appendage

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{{Glossary}}
An '''appendage''' is a [[still life component]] which can be diagonally attached to certain still lifes or other unstable components in order to create larger still lifes. Examples of appendages include the [[tail]] and [[nine]].

User:Muzik/Page drafts

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A list of pages that may or may not end up being deemed important enough for consideration as mainspace articles:

* [[/Honey factory]] - somewhat common constellation, arises from 8 consecutive cells
* [[/Floodgate]] - another somewhat common constellation, arises from two T-tetrominoes
* [[/Sparkling spring]] - form of p2 oscillator classification
* [[/Appendage]] - still life component which connects diagonally to another pattern
* [[/Perfect speed]] - speed which is an integer reciprocal
* [[/Parity rule]] - set of one-dimensional rules governing behaviour in two-dimensional patterns

Things to consider:
* bi-pentadecathlon variants page
* alternate queen bee stabilisations page

User:Muzik/2-state ruletables

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to do: move at least some of this info to "Parity rule"

A020988 for xor-2

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#Dies
#Dies
#[[Blinker]]
#[[Beehive]]
#[[Traffic light]]
#Dies
#[[Honey farm]]
#[[Honey factory]]
#[[Traffic light]] x2
#[[Pentadecathlon]]
#[[Blinker]] x2
#[[Beehive]] x2
#[[Blinker]] x2
#Dies
#Dies
#[[Blinker]] x8
#Altered [[blockade]]
#Dies
#Dies
#[[Block]] x2
#Blinker x2
#Altered [[blockade]]
#Dies
#Dies
#Blinkers, blocks and [[loaf|l]]oaves
#Beehive x2
#[[Boat]]s and beehives
#Blocks
#Blocks and blinkers
#Beehives and blinkers

User:Muzik/New replicator collection/Mixed periods

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to be sorted from the forum post

User:Muzik/New replicator collection/Fixed periods/Periods 1-X

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== Period 1 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (1,0)c/1
| x = 1, y = 2, rule = B2a/S
o$o!
| x = 7, y = 2, rule = B2a/S
obo3bo$obo3bo!
| style="background-color:#dfdfff" | 2
|}

== Period 2 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (2,0)c/2
| x = 1, y = 3, rule = B2a3i/S2i
o$o$o!
| x = 13, y = 3, rule = B2a3i/S2i
o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 3
|-
! (1,0)c/2
| x = 1, y = 4, rule = B2e3i/S1e2k
o$o$o$o!
| x = 7, y = 4, rule = B2e3i/S1e2k
obo3bo$obo3bo$obo3bo$obo3bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 4
|}

== Period 3 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (3,0)c/3
| x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2ac/S
obo$obo!
| x = 21, y = 2, rule = B2ac/S
obo3bobo9bobo$obo3bobo9bobo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 4
|-
! (1,0)c/3
| x = 1, y = 5, rule = B3aei6i/S1e2ik4a
o$o$o$o$o!
| x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3aei6i/S1e2ik4a
obo3bo$obo3bo$obo3bo$obo3bo$obo3bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 5
|}

== Period 4 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (4,0)c/4
| x = 1, y = 3, rule = B2a3i5i/S2i
o$o$o!
| x = 25, y = 3, rule = B2a3i5i/S2i
o7bo15bo$o7bo15bo$o7bo15bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 3
|-
! (2,0)c/4
| x = 2, y = 5, rule = B3ainr4ai/S02ae3a5i
2o$2o$2o$2o$2o!
| x = 14, y = 5, rule = B3ainr4ai/S02ae3a5i
2o2b2o6b2o$2o2b2o6b2o$2o2b2o6b2o$2o2b2o6b2o$2o2b2o6b2o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 10
|-
! (1,0)c/4
| x = 1, y = 4, rule = B2ak3e4i5y/S1c2ci3y4t6a8
o$o$o$o!
| x = 7, y = 4, rule = B2ak3e4i5y/S1c2ci3y4t6a8
obo3bo$obo3bo$obo3bo$obo3bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 4
|}

== Period 5 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (2,0)c/5
| x = 1, y = 5, rule = B2e3eij5ey6i/S12ak5y6i
o$o$o$o$o!
| x = 13, y = 5, rule = B2e3eij5ey6i/S12ak5y6i
o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 5
|}

== Period 6 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (6,0)c/6
| x = 7, y = 2, rule = B2acn3q4i/S01c2kn
o5bo$o5bo!
| x = 43, y = 2, rule = B2acn3q4i/S01c2kn
o5bo5bo5bo17bo5bo$o5bo5bo5bo17bo5bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 4
|-
! (4,0)c/6
| x = 3, y = 5, rule = B2aci3ej6c/S1c2i3er4cy
obo$bo$bo$bo$obo!
| x = 27, y = 5, rule = B2aci3ej6c/S1c2i3er4cy
obo5bobo13bobo$bo7bo15bo$bo7bo15bo$bo7bo15bo$obo5bobo13bobo!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 7
|-
! (3,0)c/6
| x = 4, y = 7, rule = B2kn3-n4cet5jr6e/S2-c3-aekn4einq5cnr6-kn
4o$o2bo$4o2$4o$o2bo$4o!
| x = 22, y = 7, rule = B2kn3-n4cet5jr6e/S2-c3-aekn4einq5cnr6-kn
4o2b4o8b4o$o2bo2bo2bo8bo2bo$4o2b4o8b4o2$4o2b4o8b4o$o2bo2bo2bo8bo2bo$4o
2b4o8b4o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 20
|-
! (2,2)c/6
| x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3aijn4ar/S2aei3ijn45
2b2o$b2obo$2ob2o$ob2o$b2o!
| x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3aijn4ar/S2aei3ijn45
2b2o$b2obo$2ob2o$ob2o$b2o3b2o$5b2obo$4b2ob2o$4bob2o$5b2o4$14b2o$13b2ob
o$12b2ob2o$12bob2o$13b2o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 14
|-
! (1,0)c/6
| x = 1, y = 5, rule = B2ek3aeiy4ekr5y6i/S01e2a3aeky4ay5e6i
o$o$o2$o!
| x = 7, y = 5, rule = B2ek3aeiy4ekr5y6i/S01e2a3aeky4ay5e6i
obo3bo$obo3bo$obo3bo2$obo3bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 4
|}

== Period 7 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (3,0)c/7
| x = 4, y = 5, rule = B2n34cew5c/S238
b2o$o2bo$o2bo$o2bo$b2o!
| x = 22, y = 5, rule = B2n34cew5c/S238
b2o4b2o10b2o$o2bo2bo2bo8bo2bo$o2bo2bo2bo8bo2bo$o2bo2bo2bo8bo2bo$b2o4b
2o10b2o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 10
|}

== Period 8 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (8,0)c/8
| x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2ack3q/S
obo$obo!
| x = 27, y = 2, rule = B2ack3q/S
obo5bobo13bobo$obo5bobo13bobo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 4
|-
! (4,0)c/8
| x = 5, y = 9, rule = B3-ckr5y/S2-i3-aek4ci5c
2bo$b3o$2ob2o$b3o2$b3o$2ob2o$b3o$2bo!
| x = 29, y = 9, rule = B3-ckr5y/S2-i3-aek4ci5c
2bo7bo15bo$b3o5b3o13b3o$2ob2o3b2ob2o11b2ob2o$b3o5b3o13b3o2$b3o5b3o13b
3o$2ob2o3b2ob2o11b2ob2o$b3o5b3o13b3o$2bo7bo15bo!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 22
|-
! (2,2)c/8
| x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2-ak3-jnqr/S15678
2bo$3bo$o$bo!
| x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2-ak3-jnqr/S15678
2bo$3bo$o$bo$6bo$7bo$4bo$5bo5$14bo$15bo$12bo$13bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 4
|}

== Period 9 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (4,0)c/9
| x = 3, y = 4, rule = B2e3iy4j7e/S23-r
bo$obo$obo$bo!
| x = 27, y = 4, rule = B2e3iy4j7e/S23-r
bo7bo15bo$obo5bobo13bobo$obo5bobo13bobo$bo7bo15bo!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 6
|}

== Period 10 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (4,0)c/10
| x = 5, y = 6, rule = B3-eny4q5acek6cn7e8/S2-ci3-ceky4ai5cq6ck
2bo$bobo$o3bo$o3bo$bobo$2bo!
| x = 29, y = 6, rule = B3-eny4q5acek6cn7e8/S2-ci3-ceky4ai5cq6ck
2bo7bo15bo$bobo5bobo13bobo$o3bo3bo3bo11bo3bo$o3bo3bo3bo11bo3bo$bobo5bo
bo13bobo$2bo7bo15bo!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 10
|-
! (2,0)c/10
| x = 1, y = 5, rule = B2ae3ejr4int5ei6i/S2aik3i4c5j6c
o$o$o$o$o!
| x = 13, y = 5, rule = B2ae3ejr4int5ei6i/S2aik3i4c5j6c
o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo$o3bo7bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 5
|}

== Period 11 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (5,0)c/11
| x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2e3einy4ak5ijq7c/S1c2-ai3-ceky4ejny5ceqr6akn7e
bo$obo$bo2$bo$obo$bo!
| x = 33, y = 7, rule = B2e3einy4ak5ijq7c/S1c2-ai3-ceky4ejny5ceqr6akn7e
bo9bo19bo$obo7bobo17bobo$bo9bo19bo2$bo9bo19bo$obo7bobo17bobo$bo9bo19bo!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 10
|-
! (4,0)c/11
| x = 4, y = 5, rule = B2n3/S23-q4n
b2o$o2bo$o2bo$o2bo$b2o!
| x = 34, y = 5, rule = B2n3/S23-q4n
b2o8b2o18b2o$o2bo6bo2bo16bo2bo$o2bo6bo2bo16bo2bo$o2bo6bo2bo16bo2bo$b2o
8b2o18b2o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 10
|}

== Period 12 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (5,0)c/12
| x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3-y7/S2-i3-c4kqt
2b3o$bobobo$o2bo2bo$bobobo$2b3o!
| x = 37, y = 5, rule = B3-y7/S2-i3-c4kqt
2b3o7b3o17b3o$bobobo5bobobo15bobobo$o2bo2bo3bo2bo2bo13bo2bo2bo$bobobo
5bobobo15bobobo$2b3o7b3o17b3o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 15
|-
! (2,2)c/12
| x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3-ey6n/S23-k
2b3o$bo2bo$o3bo$o2bo$3o!
| x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3-ey6n/S23-k
2b3o$bo2bo$o3bo$o2bo$3o3b3o$5bo2bo$4bo3bo$4bo2bo$4b3o4$14b3o$13bo2bo$
12bo3bo$12bo2bo$12b3o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 12
|}

== Period 13 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (4,0)c/13
| x = 1, y = 5, rule = B368/S12578
o$o$o$o$o!
| x = 25, y = 5, rule = B368/S12578
o7bo15bo$o7bo15bo$o7bo15bo$o7bo15bo$o7bo15bo!
| style="background-color:#c6efce" | 5
|-
! (2,2)c/13
| x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2i3-kq4j6ci8/S234j
3b3o$5bo$5bo$o$o$3o!
| x = 18, y = 18, rule = B2i3-kq4j6ci8/S234j
3b3o$5bo$5bo$o$o6b3o$3o6bo$9bo$4bo$4bo$4b3o3$15b3o$17bo$17bo$12bo$12bo
$12b3o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 10
|}

== Period 14 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (4,0)c/14
| x = 3, y = 2, rule = B3/S2-c3-j5-cejk
3o$3o!
| x = 27, y = 2, rule = B3/S2-c3-j5-cejk
3o5b3o13b3o$3o5b3o13b3o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 6
|}

== Period 15 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (5,5)c/15
| x = 9, y = 9, rule = B2-a3/S2ce
bo$ob2o$bo$bo3bo$4bo$3bo3bo$7bo$5b2obo$7bo!
| x = 39, y = 39, rule = B2-a3/S2ce
bo$ob2o$bo$bo3bo$4bo$3bo3bo$7bo$5b2obo$7bo2$11bo$10bob2o$11bo$11bo3bo$
14bo$13bo3bo$17bo$15b2obo$17bo12$31bo$30bob2o$31bo$31bo3bo$34bo$33bo3b
o$37bo$35b2obo$37bo!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 10
|-
! (3,0)c/15
| x = 3, y = 2, rule = B3/S2-c3-j5-cek
3o$3o!
| x = 21, y = 2, rule = B3/S2-c3-j5-cek
3o3b3o9b3o$3o3b3o9b3o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 6
|}

== Period 16 ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Velocity
! Smallest known
! Proof of strength
! Minimum # of [[cell]]s
|-
! (6,0)c/16
| x = 3, y = 4, rule = B3aceik5y/S23-n4aciqz
bo$obo$obo$bo!
| x = 39, y = 4, rule = B3aceik5y/S23-n4aciqz
bo11bo23bo$obo9bobo21bobo$obo9bobo21bobo$bo11bo23bo!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 6
|-
! (4,0)c/16
| x = 3, y = 8, rule = B2i3-cekq4cej6kn/S2-i3-kq4ciqyz5ae
3o$obo$3o3$3o$obo$3o!
| x = 27, y = 8, rule = B2i3-cekq4cej6kn/S2-i3-kq4ciqyz5ae
3o5b3o13b3o$obo5bobo13bobo$3o5b3o13b3o3$3o5b3o13b3o$obo5bobo13bobo$3o
5b3o13b3o!
| style="background-color:#ffffdd" | 16
|}

User:Muzik/New replicator collection/Fixed periods

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User:Muzik/New replicator collection

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A very work in progress project to tabulate classic 1D replicators in OCA, now that their habits are reasonably well described.

User:Muzik/List of other aliases

2023-11-02T16:33:22Z

Nathaniel: Nathaniel moved page User:AwesoMan3000/List of other aliases to User:Muzik/List of other aliases: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "AwesoMan3000" to "Muzik"

This page is intended to keep a record of some rule aliases. Most of the aliases here are either:
* intended to be contributed to Catagolue in the near future;
* in Catagolue, but not LifeViewer, or vice versa, or
* in rulespaces supported by neither Catagolue nor LifeViewer.

== Aliases to contribute to Catagolue ==
if not already, in which case move where applicable

=== {4,4}, isotropic non-totalistic ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| B2ei3eiqry4ny5ajkr/S23ajkr4jnry5inq
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 Bigship]
|-
| B2an3cjr4acij5nqy6ak/S2cn3cqy4cny5e
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 WolfVN-W50_B14_S34V]
|-
| B2en3-a/S23
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 B2ex3-lS23]
|-
| B2ei3-ce4cny/S02-cn3cinqy4c
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 B45_S034_N21]
|-
| B3-ce4aikqtwz5e/S2-cn3-ce4cny5e
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 B578_S4567_N31]
|-
| B2ae/S
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101414 LogicRule]
|}

=== {4,4}, isotropic non-totalistic Generations ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| 03ajkr/2ak/3
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&p=108442#p108442 Fireworld]
|}

=== {6,3}, isotropic non-totalistic ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| B3o/S234-o6
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 HexLife (Saka)]
|}

=== {6,3}, outer-totalistic Generations ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| 2456/23456/4H
| [https://youtu.be/fH1dqgcCcxc Gliders 1]
|-
| 134/2345/5H
| [https://youtu.be/fH1dqgcCcxc Gliders 2]
|-
| 1/123456/15H
| [https://youtu.be/fH1dqgcCcxc Ripples]
|-
| 2/2/3H
| [https://youtu.be/fH1dqgcCcxc Swimming Fish 1]
|-
| 24/24/3H
| [https://youtu.be/fH1dqgcCcxc Swimming Fish 2]
|-
| 12456/234/20H
| [https://youtu.be/fH1dqgcCcxc Waves]
|}

== Catagolue aliases yet to be added to LifeViewer ==
to do: check and verify

=== {4,4}, isotropic non-totalistic ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| B2ei3-acjn4ceijkr5-ejry6-ck7c8/S1c2cen3-iqr4aqwz5-inr6-ae78
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&p=101801#p101801 Red Alert]
|-
| B2ein3cijn4cnrwy5cnq6e/S1c2-ai3acny4anqy5c6ek8
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&p=101801#p101801 Einstein]
|-
| B2n3/S23-q
| [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4267 LeapLife]
|-
| B34ck5/S23aceik4aci
| [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4267 Farespa]
|-
| B34t5y7/S23
| [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4267 B-life]
|}

=== {4,4}, isotropic non-totalistic Generations ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| /2-e/3
| [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4267 Simple Brain]
|}

=== {4,4}, Larger than Life ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| R4,C2,M1,S41..81,B40..80
| [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4267 Majority (LTL)]
|}

== Aliases for rulespaces unsupported by Catagolue to add to LifeViewer ==

=== {4,4}, non-isotropic ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| MAPACD/JSDI//8AAL+/AAB//wAA/f+AgP//AAB//xCA//8IAP//AAD//wAA//8AAH//AAL//wCA//8AAvv7AAL//w
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&p=105912#p105890 loopy]
|-
| MAPA1Az8wMAqgAAUADAAAAAAAAAgMAAAIAAgICAwAAAgAAAAAAAiACqAAAAAAAAAAAAAACAAIgAgACAgIAAAACAAA
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 randomnn]
|-
| MAPABAbrwAA//8AQltdAAD+/8Aa/f8AAP//YgD//wAA//8AAP//QAD//wBA//8AAP/fAgD3+wKA//8AIPZ/AAD//w
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 water]
|-
| MAPAgl/+0Ug/fVAIv/9AADdPwDi9/uAQft5qIDtlQgA/b8gAP//AAD//wAQv/8AAP7+AhD/+gAA/f8EAv//AID//w
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 rules6]
|-
| MAPBSB64CCTqARFBImEADAGBSCTgICTSIAAADCFCSTAAAANAMEUBCKEBchCE00YAE3IACSFACCIQQDIIF4UIIAGSA
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 x-rule]
|-
| MAPEWYRZmaIZogRZhFmZohmiGaIZoiIAIgAZohmiIgAiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101293 pentagonhood]
|-
| MAPT48PDw
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101414 Sierpinski]
|-
| MAPBTBogCKlgABMQ4AUYkgAACWogADgtwAAEpgAABwzAABMOIAAGUgGAO0FAAAVpQAAEkYAAMIzAAClRQCADbeASA
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1622&start=1650#p101414 Snowflakes (MCell)]
|}

== Exotic rulespace aliases ==

=== {4,3,4}, outer-totalistic ===

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"
! Rulestring
! Alias
|-
| 3D3/3H
| [https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3757&p=68365#p68365 FCC3333]
|}

= Stuff to look through =
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3316&p=100602#p100744
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5174&p=127719#p127719
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2933&start=450
* https://youtu.be/dQJ5aEsP6Fs
* https://youtu.be/4p-s5Oq3QHY
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4390
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4513
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4384
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4574
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4614
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4808
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4797
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4728
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4715
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4703
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4670
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4285
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4667
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4663
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4662
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4653
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4299
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3403
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4942
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4656
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4698
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4704
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4818
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4806
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5158
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5152
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5117
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5112
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5092
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5026
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4619
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5056
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4669
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5277
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5118
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5261
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5205
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4401 alt
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5189
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4672
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4514
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4759
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3582
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5384
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4755
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5407
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4677
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5405
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4647
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5342
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5509
* https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5499

* verify Farespa

* [[User:AwesoMan3000/3-state rules]] when we get native 3-state rule support

* almostlife
* 2Sslow https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3089&p=80670&hilit=symmetries+none#p95176
* kekship alias, hemihighlife, any other 3-state rules created after the previously linked list

stuff for catagolue theme:
https://catagolue.hatsya.com/haul/x19x9x6xforcedallstates255-split/C1/b9597003cc05507f7131fd2d5daf8c73 in order, god bless svgs

User:Muzik/January 2022 activity

2023-11-02T16:33:22Z

Nathaniel: Nathaniel moved page User:AwesoMan3000/January 2022 activity to User:Muzik/January 2022 activity: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "AwesoMan3000" to "Muzik"

= Changes =

== Other changes ==
* Swapped [[Cis-loaf on table]] and [[Trans-loaf on table]]

== Pattern ID changes ==
* 13 loop --> [[xs15_3lkia4z32]]
* 13 loop 2 --> [[Thirteen loop]]

= Redirects to recreate =
These will be tagged accordingly and explained; several will be immediate deletion candidates.

== Incorrect use of "on" when "and" is correct ==
* Cis-dock on dock
* Cis-long house on long house

== Incorrect use of "and" when "on" is correct ==
* Ortho-loaf and table
* Ortho loaf and table
* Cis-boat and cap

== Incorrect use of "on" when "tie" is correct ==
* Eater on boat
* Boat on eater
* Eater 1 on boat
* Quadpole on boat
* Boat on quadpole
* Bipole on boat
* Ship on bipole
* Ship on quadpole
* Bipole on ship
* Quadpole on ship
* Tripole on boat
* Boat on tripole
* Tripole on ship
* Ship on tripole
* Boat on long snake
* Ship on snake
* Ship on aircraft
* Long boat on boat
* Boat on carrier
* Boat on aircraft
* Boat on snake

== Incorrect use of "bridge" when "tie" is correct ==
* Bipole bridge pseudo barberpole
* Bipole bridge pseudo-barberpole
* Pseudo-barberpole bridge bipole
* Aircraft carrier bridge ship

== Unwanted "integral"/"amphisbaena" substitutions ==
* Integral with hook
* Integral with claw
* Integral with tub
* Integral with two tubs
* Integral with tub and hook
* Integral with cis-hook
* Integral with long hook and tub
* Boat amphisbaena (disambiguation)
* Boat amphisbaena
* Cis-boat amphisbaena
* Trans-boat amphisbaena
* Integral with long hook
* Fuse with tail and integral

== Unwanted "hook" usage ==
* Cis-mirrored hook
* Cis-rotated hook
* Cis-hook and R-bee
* Trans-hook and R-bee
* Longhook
* Cis-block on long hook
* Cis-block and long hook
* Cis block and longhook
* Trans-block on long hook
* Trans-block and long hook
* Trans block and longhook
* Trans-block and long bookend
* Beacon on long hook (disambiguation)
* Cis-beacon-up and long hook
* Cis-beacon-down and long hook
* Trans-beacon-up and long hook
* Trans-beacon-down and long hook
* Cis-beacon up and long hook
* Cis-beacon down and long hook
* Trans-beacon up and long hook
* Trans-beacon down and long hook
* Cis-beacon up and longhook
* Dock and long hook
* Longhook and dock
* Long hook and dock

== Unwanted R prefix ==
* Cis-mirrored R-bee
* Trans-mirrored R-bee
* Skew R-bees
* Cis-rotated R-bee
* Trans-rotated R-bee
* Cis-mirrored R-loaf
* Cis-mirrored R-mango
* Cis-R-bee and R-loaf
* Cis-R-bee and R-mango
* R-mango and house
* R-mango and C
* R-bee with feather

== Hook length problem ==
* Cis hook with tail
* Cis-hook with tail
* Inverted very long hook
* Inverted very long hook with tail
* Long long hook with tail
* Extra long hook with tail
* Long trans-hook with tail
* Long cis-hook with tail
* Extra long hook
* Remarkably long hook with tail
* Very long cis-hook with tail

== Tail length problem ==
* Tub with cis-tail
* Tub with extra long tail
* Tub with long cis-tail
* Tub with remarkably long tail
* Extra long tub-shillelagh
* Boat with cis-tail
* Boat with extra long tail

== Names which are not specific enough ==
* Boat line tub
* Cis-boat line tub
* Trans-boat line tub

== Other deprecated terms ==
* Bi cap
* Bicap
** bi-cap is itself partially deprecated, and I haven't seen these variants used
* Up wing on wing
* Up dove on dove
** "up/down" for two induction coils isn't used nearly as often and seemingly goes against convention
* Ortho-loaf on table
** because we don't usually use "ortho" for cases this simple
* Rotated C
** because it's more often known as house anyway
* R-bee on beehive
** "on" is incorrect as there is a physical connection
* Tub with long long tail
** iterated "long" has been deprecated for several years
* Cis fuse with two tails
** prefixes generally have a following hyphen
* Trans-fuse with two tails
** useless distinction as stated earlier
* Python siamese snake
** no other uses of "Python" in siamese naming
* Beehive bend tail
* Beehive with bend tail
** was inconsistent with "Boat with hooked tail"
* Inflected long snake
** "inflected" was inconsistent and seemed misused