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Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 9th, 2024, 11:52 am
by otismo
then you say where - I will start
The Exploded Toad
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 9th, 2024, 11:54 am
by otismo
HWSS eaten by a pair of CandleFroBra
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x = 150, y = 107, rule = B3/S23
7bo134bo$6bobo132bobo$7bo134bo$12bo124bo$6b2obob2obo31bo28b3o25bo31bob
2obob2o$9b4obo30bobo28bo25bobo30bob4o$46bo24b3o3bo25bo$9b3o29bo18bo10b
obo2bobo5bo23bo29b3o$6b5o28bob2obob2o5b3o4bo9b2o2bo3bo4bobo16b2obob2ob
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ob2o8bo3bo2bo43b2o$13b2o27b3o8b8o3b2o7bo15b2o14b3o27b2o$43b5o6b5o5b2o
36b5o29b2ob2o$b2o43bo56bo33bo2bo6b2o$b2o36b2o68b2o25bo4bo5b2o$39b2o68b
2o25bo3bo$8b3o51b4o15b2o2bo19b2ob2o26bo3bo$8b2ob2o38b2o4b2o7bo10b2o2b
2o3bo10b2o6bo2bo28bobo6bo$11b2o38b2o4b2o2b2o3bo10b2o7bo10b2o5bo4bo28bo
5b4o$10b4o47b2o2bo16b4o19bo3bo31b5obo$3bo6bo2b2o28b3o59bo3bo30b4o$3bob
o8b2o25b2ob2o53bo6bobo30b2o$3bob2o34b2o55b4o5bo31bob3o$40b4o54bob5o27b
o7b4o$39b2o2bo6bo51b4o24b2o9b2o$38b2o8bobo54b2o24b2o$2b2o7b2o34b2obo
51b3obo30b2o7b2o$3bo7bo90b4o7bo24bo7bo$3o9b3o88b2o9b2o19b3o9b3o$o13bo
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3o9b3o16b4o22b3o9b3o$25b2o12bo13bo16bo3bo21bo13bo$26bo46b2o$28bo43b2o$
26b2o44b2o$27b2o42bobo$40b6o18b6o2bo10b3o10b6o18b6o$39bo5bo17bo5bo15bo
10bo5bo17bo5bo$15bo2bobo24bo23bo2bo10bobo10bo23bo8bobo2bo$13b2obob3o
18bo4bo18bo4bo2bobo23bo4bo18bo7b3obob2o$14bo6bo19b2o22b2o5b2o25b2o27bo
6bo$13b2o5bo51b2o11b2o42bo5b2o$26b2o45b2o10b2o34bo2bo$14bo5b2o3bobo42b
o3bo47bobo3b2o5bo$13bo6bo5bo43b4o49bo5bo6bo$14b3obob2o106b2obob3o$14bo
bo2bo52b2o56bo2bobo$72b2o7$18b2o110b2o$17b4o108b4o$13bob2ob2obo56b2o
48bob2ob2obo$12bo2b2o60bo2bo52b2o2bo$11b3o2b2o2b2o4bo51b3o42bo4b2o2b2o
2b3o$11b3o2bob4o3bobo47b3o44bobo3b4obo2b3o$12bo2bo3bo2bo3b2o47bo3b2o
41b2o3bo2bo3bo2bo$13b4obo2b3o53b2obo45b3o2bob4o$13b2o2b2o2b3o23b2o22b
2o5bobob2obo5b3o7b2o23b3o2b2o2b2o$18b2o2bo3bo18bo4bo18bo4bo2bo2bobob2o
6b3o4bo4bo18bo3bo2b2o$13bob2ob2obo3b3o23bo23bo2b3o17bo23b3o3bob2ob2obo
$14b4o6bo3bo16bo5bo17bo5bo5bo16bo5bo16bo3bo6b4o$15b2o7b2ob2o17b6o18b6o
4bobo15b6o17b2ob2o7b2o$79bo2bo9b3o$78bo3b2o7b3o$79b3o$81bo$39bo13bo42b
o13bo$39b3o9b3o42b3o9b3o$42bo7bo48bo7bo$41b2o7b2o46b2o7b2o$o13bo120bo
13bo$3o9b3o21b2o74b2o21b3o9b3o$3bo7bo23b2o7b2o2b2o50b2o2b2o7b2o23bo7bo
$2b2o7b2o24bo6bo3b2o50b2o3bo6bo24b2o7b2o$44b3ob2obo46bob2ob3o$16b2o31b
o2bo44bo2bo31b2o$4b2o2b2o7b2o31b2o46b2o31b2o7b2o2b2o$4b2o3bo6bo33b2o
46b2o33bo6bo3b2o$2bob2ob3o130b3ob2obo$bo2bo37b2o42bobo17b2o37bo2bo$2b
2o37b2obo19b2o19bo19bob2o37b2o$2b2o38bo2bo5b2o7b2obo2bob2o10b2o2bo4bo
7b2o5bo2bo38b2o$43b2o6b2o7b2o2bo4bo10b2obo2bob2o7b2o6b2o$10b2o53bo18b
2o52b2o$9bob2o26b2o25bobo40b2o26b2obo$b2o5bo2bo27b2o68b2o27bo2bo5b2o$b
2o6b2o58b2o68b2o6b2o$45b3o21b2o10b2o19b3o$13b2o41b2o11bo11b2o9b2o41b2o
$13b2o25b2ob2o10bo2bo3bo5bobo16bo3bo2bo10b2ob2o25b2o$40b2obobo10b2o3bo
bo4bob2o4b2o8bobo3b2o10bobob2o$6b3o37bo14bobo3bo6bo2b2o7bobo14bo37b3o$
41bo4bo15bo5b3o4b2o10bo15bo4bo$9b2ob2o27bo4bo26bo29bo4bo27b2ob2o$8bobo
b2o28bo2b2o25bo30b2o2bo28b2obobo$7bo37b2o56b2o37bo$7bo4bo124bo4bo$7bo
4bo124bo4bo$7b2o2bo126bo2b2o$7b2o132b2o!
OR
HWSS eaten by a pair of Toads
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 14th, 2024, 7:47 pm
by otismo
The HiveShip
- the two Hive version...
- HiveShip.png (11.96 KiB) Viewed 1704 times
- the four hive version...
- 4hive-HiveShip.png (5.34 KiB) Viewed 1701 times
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 14th, 2024, 11:18 pm
by LuveelVoom
If you give us the soup which the first one came out of you’ll be instantly famous
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 14th, 2024, 11:25 pm
by confocaloid
I don't really get what "The Exploded Toad" is supposed to mean (and the post does not help with understanding that, either).
More importantly, I don't understand the purpose of this forum thread (and the posts here do not help with understanding that, either). Is this a duplicate of
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=493?
otismo wrote: November 9th, 2024, 11:52 am
then you say where - I will start
The Exploded Toad
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 15th, 2024, 2:12 am
by b-engine
otismo wrote: November 14th, 2024, 7:47 pm
The HiveShip
HiveShip.png
4hive-HiveShip.png
Clearly both of them aren't still lifes due to B3ej and D4y:
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x = 18, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
b2o10b2o$o2bo8bo2bo$b2o8bob2obo$bobo7bobobobo$2b2o8bob2obo$bo2bo8bo2b
o$2b2o10b2o!
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 15th, 2024, 2:01 pm
by d/dx
Since I don't know what this thread is about I say I Have Not Seen It.
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 15th, 2024, 5:28 pm
by otismo
OK ok this thread is about
Pattern Recognition
which will be a great help if we can spot it in the Morphology
leading to new catalysts and so forth
I did not want to spoil the fun
but the super serious guys are all over this one
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x = 14, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
3o7b3o$o2bo6b4o$b3o7b3o8$2o8b2o$obo7b3o$b2o8b2o!
adding the Domino to the Two-Tail Ship gives the Exploded Toad, otherwise Lumps-of-Muck
just like adding the Dot to a Ship gives the Exploded Ship
the Two-Hive Ship is a Predecessor
for the famous reaction that emits twelve Gliders
Life Lexicon gives this two-tail predecessor for Gliders-by-the-Dozen
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x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
2o2bo$o3bo$o2b2o!
the Two-Hive Ship is an intermediate phase...
this is supposed to be a fun thing
but if enough people are serious about it, we will be spotting a lot of useful stuff !
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 18th, 2024, 12:34 am
by confocaloid
otismo wrote: November 15th, 2024, 5:28 pm
OK ok this thread is about
Pattern Recognition
[...]
this is supposed to be a fun thing
but if enough people are serious about it, we will be spotting a lot of useful stuff !
Being able to "see" known patterns, subpatterns, components can help when one is exploring CGoL/CA.
(It becomes much easier to have fun playing with possibilities, when one can see the possibilities.)
There is no incompatibility at all between something being fun, and the same thing being "useful" or "important" in some way. However, there should be some agreement on the rules, and there should be some shared understanding. Otherwise things quickly stop being fun.
The first post basically just said "the exploded toad", without any explanations. But that's neither a commonly understood CGoL/CA-related phrase nor defined in the post.
It isn't fun to have to guess the purpose of a thread. It isn't fun to have to guess the meaning of an unclear/confusing forum post. Some phrases, ideas, ground rules, things need to be defined, explained, illustrated, before any kind of fun becomes possible.
otismo wrote: November 15th, 2024, 5:28 pm
[...]
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x = 14, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
3o7b3o$o2bo6b4o$b3o7b3o8$2o8b2o$obo7b3o$b2o8b2o!
adding the Domino to the Two-Tail Ship gives the Exploded Toad, otherwise Lumps-of-Muck
just like adding the Dot to a Ship gives the Exploded Ship
[...]
Manipulations like "adding a domino" or "adding a dot" can appear to be interesting at first. However, unless the added domino/dot could
somehow be produced by a reaction arriving
within the CGoL universe, most such manipulations aren't particularly interesting for "new catalysts and so forth".
Sparker oscillators can produce dots or dominoes, and those sparks can be used to perturb various reactions. However, no sparker can possibly insert a dot in the middle of the ship still life in that way.
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 18th, 2024, 2:21 pm
by otismo
confocaloid wrote: November 18th, 2024, 12:34 am
otismo wrote: November 15th, 2024, 5:28 pm
OK ok this thread is about
Pattern Recognition
[...]
this is supposed to be a fun thing
but if enough people are serious about it, we will be spotting a lot of useful stuff !
Being able to "see" known patterns, subpatterns, components can help when one is exploring CGoL/CA.
(It becomes much easier to have fun playing with possibilities, when one can see the possibilities.)
There is no incompatibility at all between something being fun, and the same thing being "useful" or "important" in some way. However, there should be some agreement on the rules, and there should be some shared understanding. Otherwise things quickly stop being fun.
The first post basically just said "the exploded toad", without any explanations. But that's neither a commonly understood CGoL/CA-related phrase nor defined in the post.
It isn't fun to have to guess the purpose of a thread. It isn't fun to have to guess the meaning of an unclear/confusing forum post. Some phrases, ideas, ground rules, things need to be defined, explained, illustrated, before any kind of fun becomes possible.
otismo wrote: November 15th, 2024, 5:28 pm
[...]
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x = 14, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
3o7b3o$o2bo6b4o$b3o7b3o8$2o8b2o$obo7b3o$b2o8b2o!
adding the Domino to the Two-Tail Ship gives the Exploded Toad, otherwise Lumps-of-Muck
just like adding the Dot to a Ship gives the Exploded Ship
[...]
Manipulations like "adding a domino" or "adding a dot" can appear to be interesting at first. However, unless the added domino/dot could
somehow be produced by a reaction arriving
within the CGoL universe, most such manipulations aren't particularly interesting for "new catalysts and so forth".
Sparker oscillators can produce dots or dominoes, and those sparks can be used to perturb various reactions. However, no sparker can possibly insert a dot in the middle of the ship still life in that way.
but they are interim phases in some reactions none-the-less
if you do not think this has any useful potential then let's just delete it
Thank You !
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 18th, 2024, 2:24 pm
by hotdogPi
confocaloid wrote: November 18th, 2024, 12:34 am
The first post basically just said "the exploded toad", without any explanations. But that's neither a commonly understood CGoL/CA-related phrase nor defined in the post.
I've seen this spark often enough, and it doesn't have a name yet. Once the later post showed exactly what it was, I have no problem with that name.
Re: Have You Seen It ?
Posted: November 18th, 2024, 2:47 pm
by confocaloid
hotdogPi wrote: November 18th, 2024, 2:24 pm
confocaloid wrote: November 18th, 2024, 12:34 am
The first post basically just said "the exploded toad", without any explanations. But that's neither a commonly understood CGoL/CA-related phrase nor defined in the post.
I've seen this spark often enough, and it doesn't have a name yet. Once the later post showed exactly what it was, I have no problem with that name.
I think the situation is mostly the same as with earlier "LL spark" etc.
The spark is there, but it is unclear why this particular spark would deserve a name. Is it particularly useful as a spark? Can it perturb reactions in an unique way that no simpler spark can do?
dvgrn wrote: February 29th, 2024, 9:21 am
Okay, I'll try taking out those two entries. Someone can always restore them if there's some unexpected groundswell of opposition to the removal. (I find that hard to imagine, but my imagination is kind of limited sometimes.)
dvgrn wrote: February 7th, 2023, 10:30 am
hotdogPi wrote: February 7th, 2023, 10:23 am
The two very common sparks on the right need names. The two objects on the left are fairly common examples of patterns that become those sparks.
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x = 22, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
4bo$5o10b3ob3o$4o13bobo8$17bobo$2b3o11bo2bo$bo3bo13bo$o5bo9b3o$o!
Ah, yes, the well-known LL spark and evil-Muppet spark... (no, I didn't really recognize them, and I can't claim that those are their traditional names).