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hibiscus wrote: Was wondering - do you any of you think it would be a good idea to apply Gamification to something like the Glider database so as to incentivize newcomers into installing search programs and finding spaceships? I plan to keep this separate from the Glider database, so no one is forced into getting points. Points could be awarded depending on the offset (c/7 spaceships would give you 1 point, 2c/7 spaceships give you 2 points, etc). This is probably a terrible idea but I'm open to criticism.

AforAmpere wrote: Doesn’t seem like a terrible idea, there are achievements on Catagolue after all. Perhaps points should be awarded based on current rarity of the speed or something though

AforAmpere wrote: A different way of quantifying rarity than just total counts could be to measure the taxicab distance in OT to the nearest rule that has a ship of that speed, giving some higher value if that speed is new across OT. That might incentivize finding new speeds in less explored spaces. This should probably be combined with something else to still incentivize filling in gaps.

NimbleRogue wrote: I made the goal of 50 NRSS in speciation, to spur on people looking into it. I think the plan went very well. I bet if we find a way to gamify some goals we could have a lot more activity towards them.

hibiscus wrote: Exactly what I was thinking, the amount of rules a spaceship works in could also be used to figure out points. Non-endemic spaceships are useful since they work in many rules and as such cover many gaps

AforAmpere wrote: I’ve been wanting to see or set up a tracker for the gliderdb to see how close we are to filling up theoretically possible rules, that would definitely be a good thing to have. Number go up is usually a good hook.

Mathemagician314 wrote: May 29th, 2024, 7:28 am There could be both points and achievements -- for example, you get an achievement for finding your first new spaceship, an achievement for finding five or ten new spaceships in one rule, and finding a new endemic spaceship (and achievements give you points as well). This might be too far, but you could even add a level system based on how many points you have... although that might backfire and cause unnecessary competition.

1. The spaceship is nontrivial and nonadjustable, but may be extendable.
2. There exists a rule in which the shaceship exists and has the smallest known minpop for its speed.

hibiscus wrote: May 29th, 2024, 9:01 am Endemic: find a spaceship which works in only one rule
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• Total finds:
  • Find the first spaceship in a rule. The INT rulespace is so large that we will likely keep finding new rules with easy-to-find spaceships until the universe goes dim; but the small, low-period ones can be quickly exhausted by EPE, and should fill the majority of rules where spaceships exist.
  • Find 100, 1000, or 10000 new spaceships. MatchPatt2 and EPE can quickly find lots of similar spaceships.
• By rules:
  • Find a new spaceship in an interesting rulespace: outer-totalistic, non-B0 without survival (i.e. phoenix rules), and self-complementary.
  • Find a new spaceship for each of the following rule families: B0, B1e, B2a, and non-relativstic (with none of the aforementioned transitions).
• By speed:
  • Find a new spaceship for each of the following reduced speeds: c/1o, c/2o, c/2d, 2c/3o, c/3o, c/3d, c/4o, c/4d, 2c/5o, c/5o, c/5d, c/6o, c/6d, c/7o, c/7d, c/8o, c/8d, c/9o, c/9d, c/10o, and c/10d. (subject to revision)
  • Find a new spaceship for 10 different slopes.
  • Find an orthogonal spaceship with speed at least 4c/5o, but less than c.
  • Find 100 new non-reduced speeds. MatchPatt2 and EPE can find these quickly.
  • Find a new spaceship with period greater than 10000.
• Miscellaneous:
  • Find a new counterfeit alpha-glider (shaped like bo$2bo$3o! with any orientation)
  • Find a new counterfeit beta-glider (shaped like obo$b2o$bo! with any orientation)
  • Find a new 3-cell spaceship with period at least 100.

LaundryPizza03 wrote: May 29th, 2024, 6:53 pm I guess we should focus on INT rules with or without B0, and lay out some ground rules for inclusion.

hibiscus wrote: May 29th, 2024, 11:43 pm So we've currently got 3 image ideas for the Endemic achievement:
endemic.png
The image I would have added (it if it wasn't for some sort of limit),
new1.png
H. H. P. M. P. Cole's idea, a tick surrounded by red X's,
new2.png
and LaundryPizza03's idea, if I understanded it correctly.
Which one would work better?

CasperWen8805181 wrote: June 1st, 2024, 1:15 am are these ones endemic?

Mathemagician314 wrote: June 1st, 2024, 7:27 am

CasperWen8805181 wrote: June 1st, 2024, 1:15 am are these ones endemic?

They may be endemic outer-totalistically, but we're thinking in terms of non-totalistic transitions, and anyway, I don't think alternating rules count as rules in the isotropic non-totalistic rulespace, and this project is only considering that rulespace (at least for now). Regardless, any posts here won't make a difference; this would presumably be a separate site or application, with no direct connection to the ConwayLife forums.

Also, other achievement suggestions:

"In Reverse": find a non-monotonic spaceship.
"Backing Up": find a non-monotonic spaceship with a period of ten or greater.

"Knight": Find a knightship.
"Camel": Find a camelship.
"Giraffe": Find a giraffeship.
"Ibis": Find an ibisship.
"Flamingo": Find a flamingoship.
"Zebra": Find a zebraship.
"Antelope": Find an antelopeship.
"Safari": Find at least one of each of the above ships.

"Sloth": Find a knightship, camelship, giraffeship, ibisship, flamingoship, zebraship, or antelopeship with Euclidean speed slower than c/10.
"Snail": Find a knightship, camelship, giraffeship, ibisship, flamingoship, zebraship, or antelopeship with Euclidean speed slower than c/20.
"Martian:" Find an oblique ship that's not needed for the Safari achievement.

In general, I think we should try to have a good mix of "boring" achievements (ex: find a _____ with no conditions) and more interesting achievements (ex: In Reverse, Sloth, Snail). We could also have some hidden achievements, which are more joke-y and sometimes outrageously difficult to get. If we do that, here are some ideas:

"Funny Number": Find a spaceship with period 69.
"How Did You Know?" Find a spaceship with a period equal to the last number of your IP address.

I'm open to suggestion about removing, modifying, or changing names of any of these achievements -- these are just suggestions.

Mathemagician314 wrote: June 1st, 2024, 7:27 am

CasperWen8805181 wrote: June 1st, 2024, 1:15 am are these ones endemic?

They may be endemic outer-totalistically, but we're thinking in terms of non-totalistic transitions, and anyway, I don't think alternating rules count as rules in the isotropic non-totalistic rulespace, and this project is only considering that rulespace (at least for now).

AforAmpere wrote:Seeing how much of INT we can get ships for is also an interesting goal, though I imagine much harder to make a suitable sized database for.

CasperWen8805181 wrote: May 4th, 2024, 8:57 pm Yo Glider, You good lil bro?

Code: Select all

x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2e3-i/S23-j4k|B3/S1e2-e3
bo$2bo$3o!

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B35n/S23n4k|B3/S1e2-e3
bo$2bo$3o!

(c/8 diagonal, p8 oscillator)

Mathemagician314 wrote: June 1st, 2024, 12:56 pm Oh sorry, I thought this was INT. In my opinion, INT would make a more interesting database with more things to find, since the OT rulespace isn't huge (although clearly an INT database would take more work to make). If we're focusing on Life-like cellular automata, some of those achievements may need to be revised as they seem quite difficult or more likely impossible.

CasperWen8805181 wrote: June 1st, 2024, 1:57 pm Wait so alternates don't count?

Mathemagician314 wrote: June 15th, 2024, 6:47 am I like the idea of bounties -- is the idea that you give away some of your own "points", and then whoever completes your bounty first gets those points? We should probably have a minimum number of points you need to give away to start a bounty, otherwise people could just spam them and cause chaos. Also, I know I keep asking this, but have we decided on what form this is going to take? Is it a website, like catagolue? An application, like golly? A database, like gliderdb? If we want to actually implement this idea we should decide.

Mathemagician314 wrote: June 15th, 2024, 6:47 am I like the idea of bounties -- is the idea that you give away some of your own "points", and then whoever completes your bounty first gets those points? We should probably have a minimum number of points you need to give away to start a bounty, otherwise people could just spam them and cause chaos. Also, I know I keep asking this, but have we decided on what form this is going to take? Is it a website, like catagolue? An application, like golly? A database, like gliderdb? If we want to actually implement this idea we should decide.

Banananananan wrote: June 21st, 2024, 5:31 pm [..] finding a new endemic spaceship, can grant you 150.