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Non-exploding 34 Life (B34/S34-ae)
Posted: October 23rd, 2023, 8:22 am
by 0-engine Cordership
We all know that 34 Life is explosive. But I managed to make it non-explosive by removing S4a and S4e survival conditions.
With two non-totalistic transitions removed, Two diagonal and orthogonal spaceships are now common.
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x = 3, y = 13, rule = B34/S34-ae
2bo$b2o$bo$bo$bo$b2o$2bo4$2bo$b2o$3o!
Like 34 Life, this rule does contains lots of oscillators an the only common still life,
block.
Edit: Non-exploding 34 Life is
NE34L for short.
Re: Non-exploding 34 Life (B34/S34-a)
Posted: October 23rd, 2023, 11:10 am
by unname4798
You can remove just one transition:
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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B34/S34-a
!
[[ RANDOMIZE ]]
I found a fake spinning glider:
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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B34/S34-a
2bo$2o$b2o!
Re: Non-exploding 34 Life (B34/S34-ae)
Posted: October 23rd, 2023, 3:38 pm
by Disaster16439
This is what I did in Stint34Life1 too(
Stabilized
interesting
34Life):
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x = 134, y = 142, rule = B3aijq4-a5y78/S2ai34-y7e
4bo$3o11b2o$bo2bobobobo2bo2bo$bo2bob2obobob4ob98o$bo2bobo2bobobo4bo96b
o$14b3obo$18bo$18bo3$15b3o3bobobobo3bob3ob3ob3ob3o$15bo4bo2bobobo2bo4b
obobo3bo3bo$15b3o2bo2bob3o2bo2b3obobob3ob3o$17bobo3bo3bobo3bo3bobobo5b
o$15b3obo3bo3bobo3b3ob3ob3ob3o86$25b3o17bo65b2o$25b3o16b3o64b2o7b2o8b
2o$25b3o18b2o13bo9b2o5bo3bo10b5o10b3o9bo2bo6bob2o$46bo5bo8bo8b3o5bobob
o10b5o14bo9b2o6b2o$25b3o7b3o14b2o7bo8b4o3b3ob3o9b5o13b2o$25b3o34b3o7bo
5bobobo$25b3o50bo3bo21$41bo26bo$41b3o23bobo$41b3o22b2obo$68bo17bo$66b
5o14bobo4b2o13bo$65b2o5bo11b2obo3bo2bo10b2ob3o$65b2o3b2o2bo11bo3b2o2bo
10b2ob3o$66b6o2bo9b5obobo16b2o$68bo3bo10b2o4bob4obo10bo$66b2ob6o8b2o4b
o3bobo11bo$67bobo2bo11b5ob4obo13b2o$68bob2o2bo11bo3b4o11b2ob3o$71bo2bo
9b2obo17b2ob3o$72b2o11bobo19bo$86bo!
New interesting rules will be named Stint34Life2, Stint34Life3, etc.
Edit q:
Just 2 transitions away, this rule has
3 independent high-period mechanisms, 1 p14, 1 p28, and 1 p26:
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x = 81, y = 11, rule = B3aijq4-a5y78/S2ai34-ky7
78b3o$47bo30b3o$2bobobo39b3o14b3ob3o9bo$bo5bo32bo5bobo14b3ob3o$o7bo5b
3o22b2o5b3o14b3ob3o9bo$9o4b4o9b2o3b3o6b3o4bo30b3o$b2obob2o5b4o10bo13bo
36b3o$9o4b3o$o7bo$bo5bo$2bobobo!
This rulespace used to be called boring, but it is Exciting!
Edit 2:
Why is apgsearch soooooo slow?!
My 105ht post!
105=3x5x7
Re: Non-exploding 34 Life (B34/S34-a)
Posted: October 24th, 2023, 6:31 am
by 0-engine Cordership
unname4798 wrote: October 23rd, 2023, 11:10 am
You can remove just one transition:
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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B34/S34-a
!
[[ RANDOMIZE ]]
I found a fake spinning glider:
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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B34/S34-a
2bo$2o$b2o!
Yes, removing S4a is enough, but removing S4e too will results in more common diagonal spaceships.
I also had found the spinning glider long before.
Re: Non-exploding 34 Life (B34/S34-a)
Posted: October 24th, 2023, 6:59 am
by unname4798
0-engine Cordership wrote: October 24th, 2023, 6:31 am
unname4798 wrote: October 23rd, 2023, 11:10 am
You can remove just one transition:
Code: Select all
x = 0, y = 0, rule = B34/S34-a
!
[[ RANDOMIZE ]]
I found a fake spinning glider:
Code: Select all
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B34/S34-a
2bo$2o$b2o!
Yes, removing S4a is enough, but removing S4e too will results in more common diagonal spaceships.
I also had found the spinning glider long before.
In which rule?
Re: Non-exploding 34 Life (B34/S34-a)
Posted: October 24th, 2023, 7:14 am
by 0-engine Cordership
unname4798 wrote: October 24th, 2023, 6:59 am
0-engine Cordership wrote: October 24th, 2023, 6:31 am
unname4798 wrote: October 23rd, 2023, 11:10 am
You can remove just one transition:
Code: Select all
x = 0, y = 0, rule = B34/S34-a
!
[[ RANDOMIZE ]]
I found a fake spinning glider:
Code: Select all
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B34/S34-a
2bo$2o$b2o!
Yes, removing S4a is enough, but removing S4e too will results in more common diagonal spaceships.
I also had found the spinning glider long before.
In which rule?
Non-exploding 34 Life (B34/S34-ae)
Re: Non-exploding 34 Life (B34/S34-ae)
Posted: October 25th, 2023, 1:47 pm
by HerscheltheHerschel
I'm calling the diagonal spaceship "loafship" because in some of it's phases it represents some predecessors of a normal Life loaf
Re: Non-exploding 34 Life
Posted: October 26th, 2023, 10:26 am
by confocaloid
One property of
3/4 Life is that the birth and survival conditions are the same, so the current state of a cell does not affect the new state of the same cell one tick later. This is not true for these variations anymore. It might be possible to find a two-state isotropic cellular automaton with same property. One possibility is B34-int/S34-int, not sure if it is active enough:
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#C [[ RANDOMIZE RANDWIDTH 128 RANDHEIGHT 128 ]]
x = 1, y = 1, rule = B34-int/S34-int
b!
: a
p25 oscillator appeared in C1 census:
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x = 8, y = 4, rule = B34-int/S34-int
bo4bo$3o2b3o$3o2b3o$bo4bo!
It can convert c/3o gliders into c/3d gliders:
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x = 38, y = 19, rule = B34-int/S34-int
18bo8bo8bo$18b3o5b2o6b2obo$18b3o5b2o6b2obo$18bo8bo8bo4$b4o$bo2bo$2o2b
2o$6o$6o$b4o$b4o$6o$6o$2o2b2o$bo2bo$b4o!
: c/3d shuttles
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x = 105, y = 79, rule = B34-int/S34-int
98b2o3$96bo4bo$94b4o2b4o$93b2o3b2o3b2o$93b2o3b2o3b2o$35b2o57b4o2b4o$
34b4o58bo4bo$34bo2bo$33b2o2b2o$34bo2bo60b2o$30bo4b2o4bo$30bo4b2o4bo$
34bo2bo$33b2o2b2o$34bo2bo$34b4o$35b2o15$26bo$26b2o$26b3o2$5b2o3$3bo4bo
$b4o2b4o$2o3b2o3b2o$2o3b2o3b2o$b4o2b4o$3bo4bo3$5b2o15$26bo$26b2o$26b3o
2$5b2o3$3bo4bo$b4o2b4o$2o3b2o3b2o$2o3b2o3b2o$b4o2b4o$3bo4bo3$5b2o!
#C [[ THEME Fire ]]
Re: Non-exploding 34 Life (B3-qy4t/S3-qy4t)
Posted: February 3rd, 2024, 6:01 am
by b-engine
Just back to this old thread. I've rulegolfed 34 Life again so it doesn't explodes while keeping the property of having same B/S conditions and preserve the 3 small spaceships (as well as 2 new common spaceships):
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x = 36, y = 4, rule = B3-qy4-t/S3-qy4-t
9b4o4b4o6bo$b2o6bo2bo4bo2bo4b4o4b3o$4o4b2o2bo4bo2bo4bobo6b2o$10bobo6b
o6b2o7bo!
EDIT:
Found this p46:
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x = 6, y = 4, rule = B3-qy4-t/S3-qy4-t
6o$o4bo$o4bo$6o!
Sadly the final ash of soups are dominated by p6s.