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Analysis of honey farm predecessors

Posted: September 2nd, 2022, 9:48 am
by hotdogPi
I went through the honey farm hassler and honey farm shuttle pages and kept track of the way each honey farm generated, as long as it generated asymmetrically. I kept track of the first group of cells I recognized. Anything with only one result that had a direct descendant also on the list was merged into that list. Here is the list, sorted by formation (similar formations are grouped together). Block+blinker has a lot of different ways to form. There may be some that have the same parent where the parent isn't listed because I didn't recognize the parent.

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x = 134, y = 305, rule = LifeHistory
11.A$11.A7.D.3D24.3A7.D$11.A7.D.D36.D$19.D.3D24.2A8.D$10.2A7.D.D.D24.
2A8.D$10.2A7.D.3D24.2A8.D57$9.A10.3D26.A12.3D$8.A.A11.D25.A.A13.D$8.
3A9.3D25.A.A13.D$9.A10.D27.3A13.D$20.3D41.D12$11.A11.3D$9.A15.D$9.A
13.3D$8.A14.D31.A15.3D23.A6.3D$9.A13.3D27.2A16.D24.A.A7.D$9.A43.2A16.
3D21.A2.A5.3D$11.A41.2A16.D.D22.A.A5.D$55.A15.3D23.A6.3D6$23.3D$9.2A
14.D$9.2A12.3D$9.A13.D$9.A13.3D$9.A31$21.3D63.2A9.D.D$3.2A18.D18.2A
14.D.3D23.A2.A8.D.D$2.A2.A15.3D17.A2.A13.D3.D24.3A8.3D$2.A.2A17.D18.
3A13.D.3D25.A11.D$21.3D34.D.D39.D$58.D.3D6$5.A14.3D$4.2A16.D$3.3A14.
3D$5.A16.D$20.3D5$61.3D28.3D$63.D30.D$48.A.A10.3D18.A9.3D$22.3D22.A2.
A10.D19.A.2A7.D$4.2A18.D24.2A10.3D18.2A8.3D$4.3A15.3D$3.A.A18.D$22.3D
5$22.3D$3.A2.A15.D.D$4.A.A15.3D$5.2A15.D.D$22.3D32$120.2A9.3D$78.2A
39.A2.A10.D$16.3D19.2A13.3D22.2A12.D.D24.A.A9.3D$5.A12.D18.A2.A12.D
23.A.A12.D.D24.3A9.D$3.A.2A9.3D34.3D22.A13.3D36.3D$3.A.2A11.D18.3A15.
D22.A15.D$4.A11.3D34.3D38.D10$19.3D$3.3A15.D$2.A.A14.3D$2.A18.D$19.3D
5$19.3D33.D.D$21.D22.2A9.D.D$2.A16.3D21.A.A9.3D$2A.2A16.D21.3A11.D$3.
A.A13.3D22.A12.D34$2.A17.D$.A.2A15.D$.A3.A14.D$2.3A15.D$20.D8$18.3D$
2.2A16.D$.A2.A13.3D$.A3.A14.D$2.3A13.3D25$15.D.D$4.3A8.D.D29.A12.D$4.
2A.2A6.3D28.A.2A10.D$6.3A8.D28.A3.A9.D$17.D29.2A.A9.D$49.A10.D!
Two observations that were surprising to me:
1. The p54 and p55 guns have the same predecessor.
2. I thought this below was one of the most common block+blinker predecessors and the main reason block+blinker is more common than the two objects appearing coincidentally. However, it only appeared exactly once, which means it got merged into block+blinker itself.

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
4o$o2bo$2b2o!

Re: Analysis of honey farm predecessors

Posted: October 24th, 2024, 2:26 pm
by confocaloid
Bumping to crosspost into a thread that seems relevant:
hotdogPi wrote: October 24th, 2024, 2:18 pm

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x = 4, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
bo$2o$obo$2bo$b3o$3bo!
otismo wrote: October 24th, 2024, 2:13 pm
confocaloid wrote: October 24th, 2024, 6:30 am
otismo wrote: October 24th, 2024, 1:22 am [...] what is the oldest known HoneyFarm Predecessor in number of Generations ( or ticks )
Several 2-glider collisions are honey farm predecessors. [...]
[...]
In case gliders happen to be forbidden, here's a gliderless way of obtaining arbitrarily long lived honey farm predecessors, [...]
Thank You

reason I asked is a lot has been made of HoneyFarm Hassling

so we want predecessors that "beehave" - develop/morph

tightly within a bounding box that contains the entire

progression - from beginning to end - all phases...

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x = 6, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
3bo$2bobo$b2ob2o$b3o$3o$4b2o$o$o!

Re: Analysis of honey farm predecessors

Posted: November 1st, 2024, 4:47 am
by otismo
hotdogPi also posted this HF Predecessor

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x = 4, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
bo$2o$obo$2bo$b3o$3bo!
10cell-4X6-70gen-HoneyFarm-Predecessor-hotdogPi.rle

So is this the record longest?

Do we know who discovered it?

Or can we agree that it just

"exists"

therefore

has Latency

EDIT

the state of existing but not yet being developed or manifest

Re: Analysis of honey farm predecessors

Posted: November 1st, 2024, 6:34 am
by confocaloid
otismo wrote: November 1st, 2024, 4:47 am [...]
has Latency
Define latency.