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INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 9:48 am
by Heav
Hello. This is a competition for the "best" siderake in 2-state range 1 INT moore neighborhood deterministic rules according to some criteria.
Your siderake must only output on one "side", and must not leave behind other debris.
A spaceship is considered created at the moment where it stops interacting with the siderake and can continue indefinitely with no other obstruction. These are not considered as part of the siderake for scoring purposes, once created.
Your score is (spaceships per generation^2) - (minimum population^2)
For example, this pattern has a minimum population of 13 and 1/8 spaceships per generation. This gives it a rather unfortunate score of -168.984.
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x = 15, y = 9, rule = B2-ck/S
o$o$bo7bo$2bo7bo3bo$3bo$4bo$5bo$6bo$7bo3bo!
The goal is to maximize score. The competition starts immediately. Please give your score to 3 decimal places or more if needed.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 9:56 am
by Heav
Spaceships/generation 1/4, min population 9, score -80.9375
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x = 6, y = 5, rule = B2ae3in4rt/S2n
2o2b2o2$bo3bo$3bobo$3bo!
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 10:08 am
by yujh
There's no point making this thread. Not edited by dvgrn: @dvgrn I'll suggest to mave this thread to the sandbox. Ifinitely large scores can be achieved using these in jslife:
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x = 334, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
125bo$122b4o$122b2o$120bo$120b4o$17b4o98bo10bo$bo2bo12bo3bo96b3o2bo4b
3o$o16bo101b3o5b2o$o3bo13bo2bo98bo6bo$4o117b3obobo$121bo2b2o$122b2o3bo
2b2o$15b2o3b3o100b4o2b2ob4o$4b2o9b2o2bo3bo5bo100b6o24bo$2b2o2bo11bo5bo
3bo94b4o4b4o23bo3bo$2bo2b3o10bo9b3o91b2o3bo29bo$2bo4bo10bo5bo96bo2b2o
31bo4bo9b2o$3b5o11b2obo98b3obobob2o26b5o9b2ob4o$5b2o27bo85bo6bob3o40b
6o$33bo85b3o5b2o2b2o4bo35b4o$bo2bo5b2o21b3o82b3o2bo4bo2bo6b2o76b5o$o8b
4o8b2o96bo9b2o6b2o4bo72bo4bo$o3bo3b2ob2o7b2ob2o95b4o20b2o70bo$4o5b2o
10b4o95bo22b2o4bo67bo3bo$22b2o98b2o26b2o67bo$23bo98b4o23b2o$21bo3bo2b
2o95bo$20bo5bob2o99bobo199b3o$20bo5b4o14bo83bo2bo199bo$20b6o17bo83b2o
22b2o2b2o175bo$43b3o80bo23bobo2b2o$125b4o7b2o7b2o5bo$124bo4bo4bo4bo4bo
bo$124bo2bo5bo6bo5bo$124bo2bo5bo6bo$125bo7bobo2b3o98b4o$126b4obo6b2o
98b6o$44bobo80bo3bo2bo79bobo12b5o3b2ob4o$43bo2bo81bo84bo2bo12bo4bo3b2o
$42b2o84b5o79b2o15bo$41bo93b6o70bo18bo3bo$40b4o84b5o2bo5bo33bo2bo31b4o
18bo$39bo4bo6bo76bo6bo38bo34bo4bo6bo$39bo2bo5b2obo75bo3bo4bo4bo32bo3bo
30bo2bo5b2obo$39bo2bo5bo77b4obo6b2o34b4o31bo2bo5bo$40bo7bo76bo7bo76bo
7bo$41b4obo6b2o34b4o31bo2bo5bo77b4obo6b2o34b4o$42bo3bo4bo4bo32bo3bo30b
o2bo5b2obo75bo3bo4bo4bo32bo3bo$43bo6bo13bo24bo34bo4bo6bo76bo6bo38bo$
43b5o2bo5bo6bo26bo2bo31b4o10b3o5bo65b5o2bo5bo33bo2bo53bo$50b6o7b3o60bo
12bo5bo3bo70b6o89bo3bo$43b5o79b2o11bo3bo68b5o96bo$43bo84bo2bo12bo4bo3b
2o58bo100bo4bo3b2o$42bo3bo2bo79bobo12b5o3b2ob4o53bo3bo2bo94b5o3b2ob4o$
41b4obo106b6o52b4obo106b6o$40bo7bob2o102b4o52bo7bob2o102b4o$39bo2bo5bo
2bo6bo150bo2bo5bo2bo6bo$39bo2bo5bo2bo4bobo49b2o28b2o69bo2bo5bo2bo4bobo
$39bo4bo4b2o6b2o5bo6bo36b2o3b2o23b2o69bo4bo4b2o6b2o5bo$40b4o18bobo6b2o
40b2o95b4o18bobo$41bo21b2o4b3obo137bo21b2o5bo$42b2o24b2obobo138b2o24bo
bo$43bo2bo22b4o140bo2bo22b2o$44bobo21b4o142bobo21bo$40bo26b2o141bo26b
2o$37b4o27b2o137b4o27b2o$37b2o22b2o4bo66bo72b2o22b2o4bo66bo$35bo26b2o
68bo3bo68bo26b2o68bo3bo$35b4o16b2o4bo69bo73b4o16b2o4bo69bo$34bo21b2o
73bo4bo67bo21b2o73bo4bo$33b3o2bo4b2o4b2o4bo75b5o67b3o2bo4b2o4b2o4bo75b
5o$34b3o5b2o6b2o36b4o112b3o5b2o6b2o36b4o$35bo6bobo3bobo36b6o112bo6bobo
3bobo36b6o$36b3obobobo3bobo21b5o9b2ob4o113b3obobobo3bobo21b5o9b2ob4o$
36bo2b2o31bo4bo9b2o117bo2b2o31bo4bo9b2o$37b2o3bo29bo134b2o3bo29bo$38b
4o4b4o23bo3bo130b4o4b4o23bo3bo$45b6o24bo139b6o24bo$38b4o2b2ob4o157b4o
2b2ob4o$37b2o3bo2b2o160b2o3bo2b2o$36bo2b2o165bo2b2o$36b3obobo163b3obob
o$35bo6bo162bo6bo$34b3o5b2o160b3o5b2o$33b3o2bo4b3o157b3o2bo4b3o$34bo
10bo158bo10bo$35b4o166b4o$35bo169bo$37b2o168b2o$37b4o166b4o$40bo169bo!
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x = 215, y = 158, rule = B3/S23
171bo$168b4o$168b2o$166bo$166b4o$165bo10bo$164b3o2bo4b3o$165b3o5b2o$
166bo6bo$167b3obobo$167bo2b2o$168b2o3bo$169b4o2$169b4o$168b2o3bo$167bo
2b2o$167b3obobobo9b3o$152bobo11bo6bobo8b5o$151bo2bo10b3o5b2o8b2ob3o$
150b2o12b3o2bo4b4o6b2o$149bo15bo12bo13b5o$148b6o12b4o4b3o15bo4bo$145b
2o7bo11bo6b2obobob2o10bo$144bo3b3obo15b2o3bo4bob3o10bo3bo$143bo3bo3b2o
bo13b4obo4b2o2b2o4b2o5bo$143bo5b2o3bo16b4o4bo2bo7bo21b2o$143b3o3b4obo
19bo5b2o7bo22bobo$123bobo26bo33b3o23bo$122bo2bo17b3o6bobo31bo$121b2o
19bo5bo5bo$120bo20bo3b2obo3b2o27b3o$119b4o18bo3bo6b3o28bo$118bo4bo6bo
10bo3b2obo3b2o21b3o4bo$118bo2bo5b2obo11bo5bo5bo22bo$118bo2bo5bo15b3o6b
obo7b3o4b3o4bo$119bo7bo24bo9bo8bo$120b4obo17b3o3b4obo7bobo5bo$121bo3bo
17bo5b2o3bo5bo$122bo20bo3bo3b2obo2b2obo2bo$122b5o17bo3b3obo4bo9b2o$
145b2o7bo3b4o3bo4bo$122b5o21b6o2bo7bo$122bo26bo6b2obo4bo5bo$121bo3bo2b
o21b2o7bo4b6o$120b4obo25bo2bo$107bo11bo7bobo7b5o10bobo$104b4o10bo2bo5b
o9bo4bo$104b2o12bo2bo5b5o5bo$102bo15bo4bo14bo3bo3b2o$102b6o11b4o4b2obo
2bo6bo4b2ob3o$99bobo18bo6bo2bo15b5o$98b7obo14b2o4bo4bob2o11b3o$97b2o7b
o15bo2bo6bo2bo$96b2o4b2o4b2o13bobo2bo3bo2bo$97b2o4bo2bo19bobo4b2o5b3o$
78bo25bobo31b5o$75b4o18b2o39b3o$75b2o19b2o2b2o4bobo31bobo$73bo21b2o2b
3o4bo27b2o6bo$73b4o17b3obo6bo2bo26b2o$72bo10bo11b2o2b3o4bo21b2o4bo$71b
3o2bo4b3o12b2o2b2o4bobo20b2o$72b3o5b2o15b2o17b2o4b2o4bo$73bo6bo23bobo
8b2o6b2o$74b3obobo16b2o4bo2bo8bobo3bobo$74bo2b2o17b2o4b2o4b2o3bobobo3b
obo$75b2o3bo16b2o7bo4b3o$76b4o18b7obo4bo3bo$99bobo9b4o4b4o$76b4o22b6ob
2o7b6o$75b2o3bo21bo7b3o4b2ob4o$74bo2b2o25b2o6bo5b2o$74b3obobobo21b4o$
59bobo11bo6bobo8b2o14bo$58bo2bo10b3o5b2o8b2ob3o6bo23b3o$57b2o12b3o2bo
4b4o6b5o4bo3bo21bo$56bo15bo12bo6b3o4bo27bo$55b6o12b4o4b3o15bo4bo$52b2o
7bo11bo6b2obobobo11b5o$51bo3b3obo15b2o3bo4bobo$50bo3bo3b2obo13b4obo4b
2obo$50bo5b2o3bo16b4o4b2o$50b3o3b4obo19bo5bo6bobo$30bobo26bo32b2obo$
29bo2bo17b3o6bobo29b2o$28b2o19bo5bo5bo34bo$27bo20bo3b2obo3b2o26b2o2b2o
b2o$26b4o18bo3bo6b3o24bobo$25bo4bo6bo10bo3b2obo3b2o11b2o7b2o5bo$25bo2b
o5b2obo11bo5bo5bo8bo4bo4bobo$25bo2bo5bo15b3o6bobo7bo6bo5bo$26bo7bo24bo
9bo6bo$27b4obo17b3o3b4obo7bobo2b3o$28bo3bo17bo5b2o3bo5bo6b2o$29bo20bo
3bo3b2obo2b2obo2bo$29b5o17bo3b3obo4bo$52b2o7bo3b4o$29b5o21b6o2bo7b6o$
29bo26bo6b2obo4bo5bo6b2o$28bo3bo2bo11bo9b2o7bo4bo11b2o$27b4obo12bo3bo
8bo2bo10bo4bo7bo$14bo11bo7bobo7bo14bobo12b2o$11b4o10bo2bo5bo9bo4bo$11b
2o12bo2bo5b5o5b5o5b3o$9bo15bo4bo22b5o$9b6o11b4o4b2obo2bo11b2ob3o$6bobo
18bo6bo2bo8b2o5b2o$5b7obo14b2o4bo4bobo$4b2o7bo15bo2bo6bo8bo$3b2o4b2o4b
2o13bobo2bo3b3o4bo$4b2o4bo2bo19bobo9bo2bo$11bobo51b2o$4b2o42b2o13b2o2b
o$3b2o2b2o4bobo30b4o13bo2b3o$2b2o2b3o4bo26bo5b2obo9b2o2bo4bo$b3obo6bo
2bo24b2o4bo11bobo3b5o$2b2o2b3o4bo20bo4bobo17bo6b2o$3b2o2b2o4bobo8b4o6b
2o$4b2o17b6o4bobo$11bobo8b2o4b2o$4b2o4bo2bo8bobo2b2o$3b2o4b2o4b2o3bobo
bo$4b2o7bo4b3o7bo12b2o$5b7obo4bo3bo18bobo$6bobo9b4o19bo$9b6ob2o7b2o$9b
o7b3o4b2ob4o$11b2o6bo5b6o$11b4o11b4o$14bo$33b2o$33bobo$33bo$6b6o$6bo5b
o$6bo$7bo4bo$9b2o$25b2o$25bobo$b2o13b2o7bo$2ob4obo6bo2bo$b5o2bo9bo11bo
$2b3o3bo5b2o7b2o4bobo$15bo7b2o4bo$27bo4bo$b4o22bo$bo3bo21bo$bo28bo2b5o
$2bo2bo7b2o14bo3bo4bo$12b2ob3o15bo$13b5o16bo3bo$14b3o7b6o6bo$24bo5bo$
24bo$25bo4bo$27b2o!
And so on. Their periods increase by 2^n.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 10:10 am
by Heav
yujh wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 10:08 am
There's no point making this thread. Not edited by dvgrn: @dvgrn I'll suggest to mave this thread to the sandbox. Ifinitely large scores can be achieved using these in jslife:
Code: Select all
x = 334, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
125bo$122b4o$122b2o$120bo$120b4o$17b4o98bo10bo$bo2bo12bo3bo96b3o2bo4b
3o$o16bo101b3o5b2o$o3bo13bo2bo98bo6bo$4o117b3obobo$121bo2b2o$122b2o3bo
2b2o$15b2o3b3o100b4o2b2ob4o$4b2o9b2o2bo3bo5bo100b6o24bo$2b2o2bo11bo5bo
3bo94b4o4b4o23bo3bo$2bo2b3o10bo9b3o91b2o3bo29bo$2bo4bo10bo5bo96bo2b2o
31bo4bo9b2o$3b5o11b2obo98b3obobob2o26b5o9b2ob4o$5b2o27bo85bo6bob3o40b
6o$33bo85b3o5b2o2b2o4bo35b4o$bo2bo5b2o21b3o82b3o2bo4bo2bo6b2o76b5o$o8b
4o8b2o96bo9b2o6b2o4bo72bo4bo$o3bo3b2ob2o7b2ob2o95b4o20b2o70bo$4o5b2o
10b4o95bo22b2o4bo67bo3bo$22b2o98b2o26b2o67bo$23bo98b4o23b2o$21bo3bo2b
2o95bo$20bo5bob2o99bobo199b3o$20bo5b4o14bo83bo2bo199bo$20b6o17bo83b2o
22b2o2b2o175bo$43b3o80bo23bobo2b2o$125b4o7b2o7b2o5bo$124bo4bo4bo4bo4bo
bo$124bo2bo5bo6bo5bo$124bo2bo5bo6bo$125bo7bobo2b3o98b4o$126b4obo6b2o
98b6o$44bobo80bo3bo2bo79bobo12b5o3b2ob4o$43bo2bo81bo84bo2bo12bo4bo3b2o
$42b2o84b5o79b2o15bo$41bo93b6o70bo18bo3bo$40b4o84b5o2bo5bo33bo2bo31b4o
18bo$39bo4bo6bo76bo6bo38bo34bo4bo6bo$39bo2bo5b2obo75bo3bo4bo4bo32bo3bo
30bo2bo5b2obo$39bo2bo5bo77b4obo6b2o34b4o31bo2bo5bo$40bo7bo76bo7bo76bo
7bo$41b4obo6b2o34b4o31bo2bo5bo77b4obo6b2o34b4o$42bo3bo4bo4bo32bo3bo30b
o2bo5b2obo75bo3bo4bo4bo32bo3bo$43bo6bo13bo24bo34bo4bo6bo76bo6bo38bo$
43b5o2bo5bo6bo26bo2bo31b4o10b3o5bo65b5o2bo5bo33bo2bo53bo$50b6o7b3o60bo
12bo5bo3bo70b6o89bo3bo$43b5o79b2o11bo3bo68b5o96bo$43bo84bo2bo12bo4bo3b
2o58bo100bo4bo3b2o$42bo3bo2bo79bobo12b5o3b2ob4o53bo3bo2bo94b5o3b2ob4o$
41b4obo106b6o52b4obo106b6o$40bo7bob2o102b4o52bo7bob2o102b4o$39bo2bo5bo
2bo6bo150bo2bo5bo2bo6bo$39bo2bo5bo2bo4bobo49b2o28b2o69bo2bo5bo2bo4bobo
$39bo4bo4b2o6b2o5bo6bo36b2o3b2o23b2o69bo4bo4b2o6b2o5bo$40b4o18bobo6b2o
40b2o95b4o18bobo$41bo21b2o4b3obo137bo21b2o5bo$42b2o24b2obobo138b2o24bo
bo$43bo2bo22b4o140bo2bo22b2o$44bobo21b4o142bobo21bo$40bo26b2o141bo26b
2o$37b4o27b2o137b4o27b2o$37b2o22b2o4bo66bo72b2o22b2o4bo66bo$35bo26b2o
68bo3bo68bo26b2o68bo3bo$35b4o16b2o4bo69bo73b4o16b2o4bo69bo$34bo21b2o
73bo4bo67bo21b2o73bo4bo$33b3o2bo4b2o4b2o4bo75b5o67b3o2bo4b2o4b2o4bo75b
5o$34b3o5b2o6b2o36b4o112b3o5b2o6b2o36b4o$35bo6bobo3bobo36b6o112bo6bobo
3bobo36b6o$36b3obobobo3bobo21b5o9b2ob4o113b3obobobo3bobo21b5o9b2ob4o$
36bo2b2o31bo4bo9b2o117bo2b2o31bo4bo9b2o$37b2o3bo29bo134b2o3bo29bo$38b
4o4b4o23bo3bo130b4o4b4o23bo3bo$45b6o24bo139b6o24bo$38b4o2b2ob4o157b4o
2b2ob4o$37b2o3bo2b2o160b2o3bo2b2o$36bo2b2o165bo2b2o$36b3obobo163b3obob
o$35bo6bo162bo6bo$34b3o5b2o160b3o5b2o$33b3o2bo4b3o157b3o2bo4b3o$34bo
10bo158bo10bo$35b4o166b4o$35bo169bo$37b2o168b2o$37b4o166b4o$40bo169bo!
Code: Select all
x = 215, y = 158, rule = B3/S23
171bo$168b4o$168b2o$166bo$166b4o$165bo10bo$164b3o2bo4b3o$165b3o5b2o$
166bo6bo$167b3obobo$167bo2b2o$168b2o3bo$169b4o2$169b4o$168b2o3bo$167bo
2b2o$167b3obobobo9b3o$152bobo11bo6bobo8b5o$151bo2bo10b3o5b2o8b2ob3o$
150b2o12b3o2bo4b4o6b2o$149bo15bo12bo13b5o$148b6o12b4o4b3o15bo4bo$145b
2o7bo11bo6b2obobob2o10bo$144bo3b3obo15b2o3bo4bob3o10bo3bo$143bo3bo3b2o
bo13b4obo4b2o2b2o4b2o5bo$143bo5b2o3bo16b4o4bo2bo7bo21b2o$143b3o3b4obo
19bo5b2o7bo22bobo$123bobo26bo33b3o23bo$122bo2bo17b3o6bobo31bo$121b2o
19bo5bo5bo$120bo20bo3b2obo3b2o27b3o$119b4o18bo3bo6b3o28bo$118bo4bo6bo
10bo3b2obo3b2o21b3o4bo$118bo2bo5b2obo11bo5bo5bo22bo$118bo2bo5bo15b3o6b
obo7b3o4b3o4bo$119bo7bo24bo9bo8bo$120b4obo17b3o3b4obo7bobo5bo$121bo3bo
17bo5b2o3bo5bo$122bo20bo3bo3b2obo2b2obo2bo$122b5o17bo3b3obo4bo9b2o$
145b2o7bo3b4o3bo4bo$122b5o21b6o2bo7bo$122bo26bo6b2obo4bo5bo$121bo3bo2b
o21b2o7bo4b6o$120b4obo25bo2bo$107bo11bo7bobo7b5o10bobo$104b4o10bo2bo5b
o9bo4bo$104b2o12bo2bo5b5o5bo$102bo15bo4bo14bo3bo3b2o$102b6o11b4o4b2obo
2bo6bo4b2ob3o$99bobo18bo6bo2bo15b5o$98b7obo14b2o4bo4bob2o11b3o$97b2o7b
o15bo2bo6bo2bo$96b2o4b2o4b2o13bobo2bo3bo2bo$97b2o4bo2bo19bobo4b2o5b3o$
78bo25bobo31b5o$75b4o18b2o39b3o$75b2o19b2o2b2o4bobo31bobo$73bo21b2o2b
3o4bo27b2o6bo$73b4o17b3obo6bo2bo26b2o$72bo10bo11b2o2b3o4bo21b2o4bo$71b
3o2bo4b3o12b2o2b2o4bobo20b2o$72b3o5b2o15b2o17b2o4b2o4bo$73bo6bo23bobo
8b2o6b2o$74b3obobo16b2o4bo2bo8bobo3bobo$74bo2b2o17b2o4b2o4b2o3bobobo3b
obo$75b2o3bo16b2o7bo4b3o$76b4o18b7obo4bo3bo$99bobo9b4o4b4o$76b4o22b6ob
2o7b6o$75b2o3bo21bo7b3o4b2ob4o$74bo2b2o25b2o6bo5b2o$74b3obobobo21b4o$
59bobo11bo6bobo8b2o14bo$58bo2bo10b3o5b2o8b2ob3o6bo23b3o$57b2o12b3o2bo
4b4o6b5o4bo3bo21bo$56bo15bo12bo6b3o4bo27bo$55b6o12b4o4b3o15bo4bo$52b2o
7bo11bo6b2obobobo11b5o$51bo3b3obo15b2o3bo4bobo$50bo3bo3b2obo13b4obo4b
2obo$50bo5b2o3bo16b4o4b2o$50b3o3b4obo19bo5bo6bobo$30bobo26bo32b2obo$
29bo2bo17b3o6bobo29b2o$28b2o19bo5bo5bo34bo$27bo20bo3b2obo3b2o26b2o2b2o
b2o$26b4o18bo3bo6b3o24bobo$25bo4bo6bo10bo3b2obo3b2o11b2o7b2o5bo$25bo2b
o5b2obo11bo5bo5bo8bo4bo4bobo$25bo2bo5bo15b3o6bobo7bo6bo5bo$26bo7bo24bo
9bo6bo$27b4obo17b3o3b4obo7bobo2b3o$28bo3bo17bo5b2o3bo5bo6b2o$29bo20bo
3bo3b2obo2b2obo2bo$29b5o17bo3b3obo4bo$52b2o7bo3b4o$29b5o21b6o2bo7b6o$
29bo26bo6b2obo4bo5bo6b2o$28bo3bo2bo11bo9b2o7bo4bo11b2o$27b4obo12bo3bo
8bo2bo10bo4bo7bo$14bo11bo7bobo7bo14bobo12b2o$11b4o10bo2bo5bo9bo4bo$11b
2o12bo2bo5b5o5b5o5b3o$9bo15bo4bo22b5o$9b6o11b4o4b2obo2bo11b2ob3o$6bobo
18bo6bo2bo8b2o5b2o$5b7obo14b2o4bo4bobo$4b2o7bo15bo2bo6bo8bo$3b2o4b2o4b
2o13bobo2bo3b3o4bo$4b2o4bo2bo19bobo9bo2bo$11bobo51b2o$4b2o42b2o13b2o2b
o$3b2o2b2o4bobo30b4o13bo2b3o$2b2o2b3o4bo26bo5b2obo9b2o2bo4bo$b3obo6bo
2bo24b2o4bo11bobo3b5o$2b2o2b3o4bo20bo4bobo17bo6b2o$3b2o2b2o4bobo8b4o6b
2o$4b2o17b6o4bobo$11bobo8b2o4b2o$4b2o4bo2bo8bobo2b2o$3b2o4b2o4b2o3bobo
bo$4b2o7bo4b3o7bo12b2o$5b7obo4bo3bo18bobo$6bobo9b4o19bo$9b6ob2o7b2o$9b
o7b3o4b2ob4o$11b2o6bo5b6o$11b4o11b4o$14bo$33b2o$33bobo$33bo$6b6o$6bo5b
o$6bo$7bo4bo$9b2o$25b2o$25bobo$b2o13b2o7bo$2ob4obo6bo2bo$b5o2bo9bo11bo
$2b3o3bo5b2o7b2o4bobo$15bo7b2o4bo$27bo4bo$b4o22bo$bo3bo21bo$bo28bo2b5o
$2bo2bo7b2o14bo3bo4bo$12b2ob3o15bo$13b5o16bo3bo$14b3o7b6o6bo$24bo5bo$
24bo$25bo4bo$27b2o!
And so on. Their periods increase by 2^n.
...what? These have a very low score. They do not emit spaceships frequently. Recall that a spaceship is considered created at the moment where it stops interacting with the siderake
and can continue indefinitely with no other obstruction.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 10:32 am
by yujh
Fine ok then so this easy to think of(-9)
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 5:15 pm
by Heav
yujh wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 10:32 am
Fine ok then so this easy to think of(-9)
actually, this is not a siderake and thus not a valid submission
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 7:44 pm
by yujh
Oh man, you didn’t say that it couldn’t be 0ships/gen!
I’m here to prove infinitely large scores could be easily constructed (and hashlife friendly???)
我人傻了
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Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 9:03 pm
by Aleph
yujh wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 7:44 pm
I’m here to prove infinitely large scores could be easily constructed (and hashlife friendly???)
Brilliant!
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 23rd, 2021, 9:14 pm
by FWKnightship
Spaceships/generation 1/6, min population 8, score -63.9722
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x = 6, y = 7, rule = B2ace5/S456
b2o$o$2bo$3bo$5bo$5bo$4bo!
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 26th, 2021, 12:15 pm
by Heav
yujh wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 7:44 pm
Oh man, you didn’t say that it couldn’t be 0ships/gen!
I’m here to prove infinitely large scores could be easily constructed (and hashlife friendly???)
我人傻了image.jpg
I *did* specify it had to be a siderake, though, which 0 ships/generation cannot be.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 26th, 2021, 12:59 pm
by Cyclotrons
May I suggest changing the scoring system? The ships per generation part contributes so little to the final score that it may as well not be there.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 26th, 2021, 1:14 pm
by Heav
I think in some special cases it might actually be able to contribute significantly.
However, do let me know if you have suggestions.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 26th, 2021, 6:22 pm
by Aleph
yujh wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 7:44 pm
I’m here to prove infinitely large scores could be easily constructed (and hashlife friendly???)
((2/5)n)^2-(16+2n)^2=not enough
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x = 85, y = 7, rule = B1e2cen3-aij4ijqrt5cjry6-ei/S1e2ain3cny4nwyz5ijn6ak8
82b2o$82bobo$2o2bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo$obo79b
2o$2o2bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo$82bobo$82b2o!
Seriously, though. Is a positive score even possible? The period of the breeder that creates the guns should be a multiple of the period of the guns, so that the guns are all in phase and hit the minimum population at the same time. We want to maximize the ships created per generation and minimize the size of the guns.
The size of the breeder does not matter because it only adds a linear amount to the negative part of the score, while the guns add a quadratic amount. The period of the breeder does not matter because we can put the gun-deleting spaceship further back to increase n.
Let's pretend that spaceships are allowed to touch and still be considered created. They're not, but ignoring that only serves to show how ridiculous this is. Note that I'm also pretending that we're allowed to shoot on both sides (we're not). If the size of a gun is q cells and the period of a gun is p, then we have a score of approximately ((2/p)n)^2-(qn)^2.
The minimum possible value for p is 2.
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x = 23, y = 2, rule = B2ae3e5y/S1e5i
2o18b2o$19bo2bo!
Oh wait, q is 2, so we have n^2-(2n)^2. Score is negative.
Let's make q equal to 1, and pretend that the ships fired the "wrong way" don't exist, to make things easier for ourselves. In reality, they would become part of q, inflating it to a ridiculous number.
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x = 13, y = 3, rule = B1e2e4cr5y6cn/S2n3nq5y
o10bo$10bobo$10b3o!
p now has to be at least 3, which means that we have (2n/3)^2-n^2. Still negative.
All I can say is good luck. You'll need it.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 7:06 am
by yujh
wwei47 wrote: April 26th, 2021, 6:22 pm
yujh wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 7:44 pm
I’m here to prove infinitely large scores could be easily constructed (and hashlife friendly???)
((2/5)n)^2-(16+2n)^2=not enough
Seriously, though. Is a positive score even possible? The period of the breeder that creates the guns should be a multiple of the period of the guns, so that the guns are all in phase and hit the minimum population at the same time. We want to maximize the ships created per generation and minimize the size of the guns.
The size of the breeder does not matter because it only adds a linear amount to the negative part of the score, while the guns add a quadratic amount. The period of the breeder does not matter because we can put the gun-deleting spaceship further back to increase n.
Let's pretend that spaceships are allowed to touch and still be considered created. They're not, but ignoring that only serves to show how ridiculous this is. Note that I'm also pretending that we're allowed to shoot on both sides (we're not). If the size of a gun is q cells and the period of a gun is p, then we have a score of approximately ((2/p)n)^2-(qn)^2.
Rake same period as th gun and make gun min pop < ships/gen (infinite guns but can delete them, making those guns in a whole ig gun)
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 8:08 am
by Aleph
yujh wrote: April 27th, 2021, 7:06 am
Rake same period as th gun and make gun min pop < ships/gen (infinite guns but can delete them, making those guns in a whole ig gun)
Like I said, I don't think it's possible.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 8:29 am
by yujh
wwei47 wrote: April 27th, 2021, 8:08 am
yujh wrote: April 27th, 2021, 7:06 am
Rake same period as th gun and make gun min pop < ships/gen (infinite guns but can delete them, making those guns in a whole ig gun)
Like I said, I don't think it's possible.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 8:43 am
by cgoler2
My way of doing it is putting a Breeder 1 and two rakes very far away from it so that those rakes destroy the Gosper glider guns.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 8:52 am
by Aleph
yujh wrote: April 27th, 2021, 8:29 am<Image that I can't quote>
A Gosper Glider Gun only emits 1/30 spaceships per generation. But it has more than 1/30 cells. Therefore, you lose more than you gain. This design that's way more efficient doesn't manage to reach a positive score.
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x = 85, y = 7, rule = B1e2cen3-aij4ijqrt5cjry6-ei/S1e2ain3cny4nwyz5ijn6ak8
82b2o$82bobo$2o2bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo$obo79b
2o$2o2bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo$82bobo$82b2o!
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 9:25 am
by yujh
wwei47 wrote: April 27th, 2021, 8:52 am
yujh wrote: April 27th, 2021, 8:29 am<Image that I can't quote>
A Gosper Glider Gun only emits 1/30 spaceships per generation. But it has more than 1/30 cells. Therefore, you lose more than you gain. This design that's way more efficient doesn't manage to reach a positive score.
Code: Select all
x = 85, y = 7, rule = B1e2cen3-aij4ijqrt5cjry6-ei/S1e2ain3cny4nwyz5ijn6ak8
82b2o$82bobo$2o2bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo$obo79b
2o$2o2bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo$82bobo$82b2o!
When at min pop these guns disappear. That is an illustration of how it works. It’s a gun that creates small guns and then delete it!
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 9:34 am
by Aleph
yujh wrote: April 27th, 2021, 9:25 am
When at min pop these guns disappear.
If a gun disappears, it stops shooting spaceships?
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 6:56 pm
by yujh
wwei47 wrote: April 27th, 2021, 9:34 am
yujh wrote: April 27th, 2021, 9:25 am
When at min pop these guns disappear.
If a gun disappears, it stops shooting spaceships?
Yes. I wonder why this question, though
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 27th, 2021, 7:04 pm
by Aleph
yujh wrote: April 27th, 2021, 6:56 pm
Yes. I wonder why this question, though
I thought you had found a way to keep the spaceships shooting while the gun was gone. Also, the population of the gun-clearer contributes only a constant amount, while the guns contribute a quadratic amount.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 28th, 2021, 7:14 am
by yujh
wwei47 wrote: April 27th, 2021, 7:04 pm
yujh wrote: April 27th, 2021, 6:56 pm
Yes. I wonder why this question, though
I thought you had found a way to keep the spaceships shooting while the gun was gone. Also, the population of the gun-clearer contributes only a constant amount, while the guns contribute a quadratic amount.
It doen’t have to. the gun has a ship/gen index for max gun num/15, while it can be shooting the gun for 2^n_1 - x gens and use x gens to delete all guns, reach mom pop, make all guns again and send the signal into a huge loop.
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 28th, 2021, 8:21 am
by Aleph
yujh wrote: April 28th, 2021, 7:14 am
It doen’t have to. the gun has a ship/gen index for max gun num/15, while it can be shooting the gun for 2^n_1 - x gens and use x gens to delete all guns, reach mom pop, make all guns again and send the signal into a huge loop.
Clever! So a fuse burns the guns away until it reaches the puffer, after which guns get puffed out again?
Re: INT rule siderake competition
Posted: April 28th, 2021, 8:47 am
by yujh
wwei47 wrote: April 28th, 2021, 8:21 am
yujh wrote: April 28th, 2021, 7:14 am
It doen’t have to. the gun has a ship/gen index for max gun num/15, while it can be shooting the gun for 2^n_1 - x gens and use x gens to delete all guns, reach mom pop, make all guns again and send the signal into a huge loop.
Clever! So a fuse burns the guns away until it reaches the puffer, after which guns get puffed out again?
Not really what I meant, but that is definitely easier to construct than my idea(though I have no idea if this can be proved to have a score of >0, nice one!)