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Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 3:43 am
by {censored}
Are there any rules that are capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds(like spacedhip made of 50 cells arising from 10)?
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 4:06 am
by Schiaparelliorbust
{censored} wrote: March 29th, 2021, 3:43 am
Are there any rules that are capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds(like spacedhip made of 50 cells arising from 10)?
Yes. There are a ton. I'll look for examples now. Can we move this thread to thread for basic non-CGoL questions?
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 4:23 am
by {censored}
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 29th, 2021, 4:06 am
{censored} wrote: March 29th, 2021, 3:43 am
Are there any rules that are capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds(like spacedhip made of 50 cells arising from 10)?
Yes. There are a ton. I'll look for examples now. Can we move this thread to thread for basic non-CGoL questions?
No need.
What I said is a bit simplistic. A ratio like 100:10 is more extreme.
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 4:40 am
by Schiaparelliorbust
{censored} wrote: March 29th, 2021, 4:23 am
No need.
What I said is a bit simplistic. A ratio like 100:10 is more extreme.
From 5S:
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x = 8, y = 9, rule = B2-an3aejnr4cjnqr5cejn6ei7e/S1c2-ce3jkry4ceiqtz5e7e8
2$3bo$2bo$3bo$2bo$3bo!
#C [[ GRAPH ]]
Minpop: 5
Maxpop: 229
Also, the ratio you said is just 10:1. Did you mean something with minpop 10 and maxpop 100?
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 5:36 am
by {censored}
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 29th, 2021, 4:40 am
{censored} wrote: March 29th, 2021, 4:23 am
No need.
What I said is a bit simplistic. A ratio like 100:10 is more extreme.
From 5S:
Code: Select all
x = 8, y = 9, rule = B2-an3aejnr4cjnqr5cejn6ei7e/S1c2-ce3jkry4ceiqtz5e7e8
2$3bo$2bo$3bo$2bo$3bo!
#C [[ GRAPH ]]
Minpop: 5
Maxpop: 229
Also, the ratio you said is just 10:1. Did you mean something with minpop 10 and maxpop 100?
Nice.
Anything with that or similar ratio.
What about 1:100 or even 1:1000 ratio?
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 5:40 am
by GUYTU6J
One of my soup search results in OCA gave me a 19-cell predecessor (see gen 18) to a 2898~4083-cell 235×951 88c/176o spaceship.
This tidy C1 soup generates an ov_q176:
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2in3aceir4eity5i6ek7e/S2-in3-aey4ai5ci7c
2o2b3obo2bobo$3ob2o3b2o$2b4o2bo5bo$4o2bobo2b2o$bob2o2b2o3bo$2o2b4ob2ob
4o$4o2bo2b2ob3o$obo3bob2o2b2obo$3bo3bobo2b2o$3bobo4b3o$bo2b4o4bo$bo7b
3o2bo$2bo6b2obo$o2b4o3b3o2bo$b4o2b2o2b4o$3o2bo5bo3bo!
That's a ridiculously natural, fast, robust frontend engine with a high period and gigantic but clean plume.
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 7:22 am
by yujh
So anyways, i'll still sugest to delete the whole thing and move it to the questions thread.
Also, delete my post！
Edit: move to pm, {censored}!
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 7:23 am
by {censored}
yujh wrote: March 29th, 2021, 7:22 am
So anyways, i'll still sugest to delete the whole thing and move it to the questions thread.
Also, delete my post！
No.
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 7:25 am
by {censored}
GUYTU6J wrote: March 29th, 2021, 5:40 am
One of my soup search results in OCA gave me a 19-cell predecessor (see gen 18) to a 2898~4083-cell 235×951 88c/176o spaceship.
This tidy C1 soup generates an ov_q176:
Code: Select all
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2in3aceir4eity5i6ek7e/S2-in3-aey4ai5ci7c
2o2b3obo2bobo$3ob2o3b2o$2b4o2bo5bo$4o2bobo2b2o$bob2o2b2o3bo$2o2b4ob2ob
4o$4o2bo2b2ob3o$obo3bob2o2b2obo$3bo3bobo2b2o$3bobo4b3o$bo2b4o4bo$bo7b
3o2bo$2bo6b2obo$o2b4o3b3o2bo$b4o2b2o2b4o$3o2bo5bo3bo!
That's a ridiculously natural, fast, robust frontend engine with a high period and gigantic but clean plume.
THIS IS JUST WONDERFUL!!!!DREAMS COMING TRUE!!!!!!!
Sorry for two consecutive posts,I had to deal with some people.
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 8:01 am
by Schiaparelliorbust
GUYTU6J wrote: March 29th, 2021, 5:40 am
One of my soup search results in OCA gave me a 19-cell predecessor (see gen 18) to a 2898~4083-cell 235×951 88c/176o spaceship.
This tidy C1 soup generates an ov_q176:
Code: Select all
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2in3aceir4eity5i6ek7e/S2-in3-aey4ai5ci7c
2o2b3obo2bobo$3ob2o3b2o$2b4o2bo5bo$4o2bobo2b2o$bob2o2b2o3bo$2o2b4ob2ob
4o$4o2bo2b2ob3o$obo3bob2o2b2obo$3bo3bobo2b2o$3bobo4b3o$bo2b4o4bo$bo7b
3o2bo$2bo6b2obo$o2b4o3b3o2bo$b4o2b2o2b4o$3o2bo5bo3bo!
That's a ridiculously natural, fast, robust frontend engine with a high period and gigantic but clean plume.
I also found this a while ago once:
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x = 64, y = 64, rule = B3ainq4jrty5iy6ckn8/S2-ci3-a4iqz5cjq7e8
bob2ob4o2bo2b2o2b2o4b5o2bo3b2o5bob2obo3bo2b3obo$b2o2bobo2bob3obob2o3b
2o3b2o3b3obo2bobo2b3o2b3o3bo2b2o2bo$4bobob3o2bo3bob2o2b4o3b4o3bobo4b2o
bob4obo2b2ob2o$b5o2bo3b3o2b2obo3bob2obobobo2b2o2b2o2bo3bo2bo3bobo2b3o$
2b3o2b4o2bob2obob3o2bo2b4o2b2ob6ob4obo2b2obobobo2b2o$2obo2bo2bob3obobo
b4o2bo2bo3b2o6b3o2bo2bo7b4ob3o$bo2bobobob2o3b4ob3obobo3b3o3b3o3b3obo4b
7o2bo2bo$ob4o4b5o3bo3b2o2bo2b2o2bo5b2o2b3ob3obo2bo3bo3bo$2bo5bo2bobob
2o3bo5b2o2b5ob4o3b2o2b3ob2ob3o3bob2o$2bo3b3obob2o3bo2bo2bo2b3o3b3ob5ob
obobob2obobo2bo3bo$2obobob4o7b4ob2o2b4o10bo5bo3bo3bo2b3ob2o$bo2bob2o2b
2o2bo3bobo3b3ob3o2bo7bo2bo2b4o2b2o3b2ob2o$bob2ob5ob3o4b2obo2b2obo2b3ob
2o2b2o5b5ob2obo4b2obo$o8b2obo3bo2bobob3ob6ob2o2b2o2bob3o2bobo4bo3b3o$o
2bo2bobo3bob2obobobo4b3o2bo2b5o4b2o2b2obob2o2b2o2b2obo$2b2ob4o2b3ob3o
3b3obo2bobo3bob3ob2o3b2o3bo3b2obob5o$2o2bobobo3b3ob2o2b2obobob3o3bob3o
3b2ob2obobobob3ob3o$3o2b2o5bo2bo2b3o3bob2o5bo5b3obob5o2b2o3b4obo$2o4b
3ob3obobo2b3ob2o6b5o2bobobo3bobo3b2o2b6o$2ob3o5bo4bo5b4o2b3o2bobo3b2o
3b3ob2o2b2obobo2b2o$o3bo3b3ob2obo5bo4b3obobo3b9obo4bobo2b5ob2o$obo2bo
2b2ob2obob3obo4bo4bo2bo4b4obo3b4o2b3o2b4o$o3bobo4bo3b2ob4obob2obo2bobo
3b3o4b2ob4o4bo2bobo2bo$3obo2b3o2b4o2bobobob2o2bob2o4bobobo4bob3o2bob2o
bo2b2obo$2ob2o4b2o2bo4bob4o3b2o2bo2bo2bob5o2b3ob5o3b3obo$5ob3ob2ob2o2b
3ob3ob2obob4o2b2o2b4o2bob2o2bo3bobobob2o$10o2b3obob2o2bobo8b2ob3o8b2o
2bob6o2b3o$b3obo2b5o3b2ob2ob2o2bo3b2ob5o2b4ob4o2bobo4b2o$b2obobo2bo3b
3obobob2ob2o7b2obobo2bo3b2o2bobo3b5ob3o$o3b2ob7o12bob3ob2o3bobobo2b3o
4b4o3bob3o$o2b2o2bo2bo2b2o4bo2bob3o3b2o2b2o2b4obob2ob5o2b2obo2b3o$2b2o
3b3o7b2o2b2o6b10o2b2ob5ob5o2bo2b2obo$b3obo2b2ob4o2b4o2b4ob3obo3b2o2b2o
2bo3b3o3bobob3ob2o$2b2ob2o4bo2bobo5bo3bo2b2o5b5o3bob2o2b2obo2bo4bobo$o
bo3b4o6bo2b2o8b3ob3o2bo6bob2o2b2o3b7o$obobo3b2o2b3obo4bob3obo2bob5ob2o
2bo2b2o3bo2bobob2o3b2o$obo2bobo2bo2b2ob6o2b3obo3b2o2bo3bo2bob3obob6o5b
o$ob2ob2o2bo2b3o2bob4ob5o3b2o3bo2b3o2bo3bo4b2o3bo2bo$2ob5ob2obo4b5ob2o
b3obobobo2bo4b2obo4bo4b2ob2o3bo$3o3b3o2bob2o2b2o9bo2b3o3bobo3b2o3bo2bo
b3obob3o$ob3o3b3o3bobob7o3b2o4b2ob6o2bob2o3b3o2bo3b3o$4o3bo4bob2o2bobo
6bo3bo4bo2bobo2bob5o3b2obob3obo$b2o2b3o2b5ob4obobob3o4b4o2bob3o2b3o2b
2o2bobo3bob2o$obo5bo2bob4ob2obo3b2o2b4o2bo7b2obo3bo2b4obobo2bo$2o2b4o
3b2o2bob7obob4o6b3o3b2o5bob2obo$4obo2bobo6bo3bob4ob3ob2o5b2obo4b3obo2b
3o2bo2bo$2o3bo2b2o3b2o2b2o2bob3o2bob2obo2bo2bobo2bobob3o3bo2b4ob2o$2bo
2b2ob2ob3o3b2o5bobob2ob2o3bobobo3b4ob5o2b3ob4o$3b5o3b4o2bob2o2b5o4b4ob
o3bob2obo3bo2b2o3b4o$obo2b6obob2ob2o2bo3bobo2bo2b4o3b2ob2obob2o3b2ob2o
5bo$b2o2b4o5b6ob3o2bob6obob5o2b2obo3bo3b2o2b2o2bo$2b2o4b2obobob4ob4ob
2ob3ob8obo2b7o3bo2b2o3bo$2bo5b2obobob2o3b2o2bobobobo2bo2b3o5bo2b2o3b4o
5bo$3o3b3o2bo2b2obobo2b2o2b3ob2obob2obobob6o2bob5ob2ob3o$o5bobo4b2obo
7b2ob4ob2obo5b2o3b3o2b8ob2obo$2bo2bobob2o3bob2obobob3o3bobobo3bobo2b4o
b3o8bob3o$3bob3o4bob3obobo3b2o2bobo2b2o2b2obob2o2b3o2bo7b2ob2o$b3obob
2ob2obob2ob2o3bobo4b6o2bo3b2obo2bo2bob2obo2b2ob2o$3obo2bo3bo2bo2b2o2bo
2bo2bob2ob3o3bob2ob2obo3b4o3bo2bo2bo$3b2obob3o6bo5b5o3b2obo4bobob2ob2o
b2o2b4obob2o$b3o3b4o2b3ob2obo2bobob3obo3bo3b2o2bob2obobob2o2b2o2b2obo$
obobo6bob4ob2o3bo3bobo3bo3b3o2bo2bo2b2ob3o4bobob2o$o5bo2b3obo10bobob2o
bo2bo2bobo2b4o2bob5o5b2o$3bobob2o3b3o5bo6b2obo5b4o2bob2o2b3ob3obo5b2o!
Run in Golly. It forms at around generation 60k. The rule is the one with
your p35256 oscillator . Actually Naszvadi had pointed out a 6c/12 engine that can make similar spaceships, but this one is replicator based.
{censored} wrote: March 29th, 2021, 7:25 am
Sorry for two consecutive posts,I had to deal with some people.
I don't know who you're dealing with, but you can just edit your posts. Nothing's stopping you.
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 8:03 am
by {censored}
I forgot that that exists for a moment.
Re: Rules capable of constructing big objects out of small seeds?
Posted: March 29th, 2021, 11:17 am
by Moosey
It would be better to post questions like these in the thread for basic non-GoL questions, which would take up less space.
To answer the question, there are a lot; for instance, anything in
this thread; for instance, this two-cell seed expands to an object with about 753000000 cells:
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x = 3, y = 1, rule = B2-ak3acy4aerz5aiqy6-ik7e/S01c2-kn3kny4at5-ekry6ain78
obo!