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Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 8:26 am
by Hunting
When A and B are both present, C is output. When only A is present, B is output.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 5:12 pm
by fluffykitty
I doubt it. Why do you ask?

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 9:09 pm
by Hunting
fluffykitty wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 5:12 pm I doubt it. Why do you ask?
I working on a random non-notable NTAA circuit that needs to drop marbles.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 9:29 pm
by bubblegum
Hunting wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 9:09 pm I working on a random non-notable NTAA circuit that needs to drop marbles.
Here you go:

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x = 21, y = 14, rule = NoTimeAtAll
4.13A$4.A11.A$C4A.3A7.A.3A$4.3A.7A.A$6.3A5.A.3A$4.3A.3A3.A3.A$B4A.3A.
3A.A.5A$4.A5.C.A.3A.A$4.A3.CAD.A3.3A$4.A3.D.A.A$4.A3.DADC9A$4.A3.C3.A
$4.A3.5A$4.5A!

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 9:31 pm
by Hunting
bubblegum wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 9:29 pm
Hunting wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 9:09 pm I working on a random non-notable NTAA circuit that needs to drop marbles.
Here you go:

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x = 21, y = 14, rule = NoTimeAtAll
4.13A$4.A11.A$C4A.3A7.A.3A$4.3A.7A.A$6.3A5.A.3A$4.3A.3A3.A3.A$B4A.3A.
3A.A.5A$4.A5.C.A.3A.A$4.A3.CAD.A3.3A$4.A3.D.A.A$4.A3.DADC9A$4.A3.C3.A
$4.A3.5A$4.5A!
Nope, I mean, when I say C is output, B is completely empty.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 10:14 pm
by fluffykitty
Hunting wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 9:09 pm I working on a random non-notable NTAA circuit that needs to drop marbles.
I recommend choosing a different rule, or finding a way to build your circuit that doesn't require this kind of manipulation.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 4th, 2020, 12:56 am
by bubblegum
Hunting wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 9:31 pm Nope, I mean, when I say C is output, B is completely empty.
Hm, maybe you should find a rule which doesn't have the concept of false signals, because NTAA's entire concept of not giving an output is giving False, due to the nonexistence of timing.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 4th, 2020, 1:11 am
by Hunting
bubblegum wrote: December 4th, 2020, 12:56 am
Hunting wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 9:31 pm Nope, I mean, when I say C is output, B is completely empty.
Hm, maybe you should find a rule which doesn't have the concept of false signals, because NTAA's entire concept of not giving an output is giving False, due to the nonexistence of timing.
That's why NTAA is confusing - it is both without timing and very timing. There's block/free anyway, so not really.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 4th, 2020, 1:21 am
by MathAndCode
If you're trying to find a way to make a wire pass signals in both directions, I recommend finding another way to make your circuitry work. I once tried to do the same thing for a special type of adder, but eventually, I found another method that allowed me to accomplish the same goal.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 4th, 2020, 1:45 am
by Hunting
MathAndCode wrote: December 4th, 2020, 1:21 am If you're trying to find a way to make a wire pass signals in both directions, I recommend finding another way to make your circuitry work. I once tried to do the same thing for a special type of adder, but eventually, I found another method that allowed me to accomplish the same goal.
How do you make serial gates? I mean take A, B, A, B, A, B... as input.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 4th, 2020, 1:04 pm
by MathAndCode
Hunting wrote: December 4th, 2020, 1:45 amHow do you make serial gates? I mean take A, B, A, B, A, B... as input.
I need to know the broader intention of your circuit. There is no general workaround for two-way wires.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 5th, 2020, 11:40 pm
by Hunting
MathAndCode wrote: December 4th, 2020, 1:04 pm
Hunting wrote: December 4th, 2020, 1:45 amHow do you make serial gates? I mean take A, B, A, B, A, B... as input.
I need to know the broader intention of your circuit. There is no general workaround for two-way wires.
How does serial gates involve two-way wires? My two-way wires is intended to be a workaround for serial gates.

Also, many conduity methuselahs you mentioned were mentioned (and supposedly thoroughly searched by Guam) in CollisionsSearch as one of its defaults as well, for example, the two-blinker thing.

Re: Is there a NoTimeAtAll circuit that...

Posted: December 6th, 2020, 12:08 am
by MathAndCode
Hunting wrote: December 5th, 2020, 11:40 pmHow does serial gates involve two-way wires? My two-way wires is intended to be a workaround for serial gates.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by serial gates. If you mean serial as in transmitting the bits one at a time, here's something that might help.

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x = 28, y = 88, rule = NoTimeAtAll
.A$.2A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A
$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.27A$.A22.
A2.A$.A22.A2.A$3A21.A2.A$A.A21.A2.A$3A21.A2.A$.D22.A2.A$.B22.A2.A$.25A
BD$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.A$.C$.D$.A$.B$.D$.A$.C$.D$.A$.B$.D$.A$.C$.D$.A$
.C$.D$.A$.B$.D$.A$.C$.D$.A$.C$.D$.A$.C$.D!
However, if you only want this in order to ensure that there are not timing errors, there are other methods to do that, such as ensuring that all two-input gates have inputs coming in at 180° from each other.