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Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 10:51 am
by BokaBB
Another language project by me for making a tonal language.
I won't be authoritary,I promise. Please join.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 11:11 am
by Schiaparelliorbust
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 10:51 am
Another language project by me for making a tonal language.
I won't be authoritary,I promise. Please join.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
I don't know. I don't know if I can even speak something like this. I can try though.
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 11:19 am
by BokaBB
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 21st, 2020, 11:11 am
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 10:51 am
Another language project by me for making a tonal language.
I won't be authoritary,I promise. Please join.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
I don't know. I don't know if I can even speak something like this. I can try though.
I think I can do that relatively well.
What number of tones we should have?I recommend 2-6.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 3:19 pm
by BokaBB
I invite fluffykitty here.
Do you forgive me?
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 3:22 pm
by fluffykitty
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 3:19 pm
I invite fluffykitty here.
I think I'll wait until this is a bit more fleshed out to join.
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 3:19 pm
Do you forgive me?
Okay.
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 3:36 pm
by BokaBB
fluffykitty wrote: November 21st, 2020, 3:22 pm
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 3:19 pm
I invite fluffykitty here.
I think I'll wait until this is a bit more fleshed out to join.
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 3:19 pm
Do you forgive me?
Okay.
Thanks infinitely!
Can you at least say your preferred tone number?
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 3:41 pm
by fluffykitty
How about three?
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 3:43 pm
by BokaBB
fluffykitty wrote: November 21st, 2020, 3:41 pm
How about three?
Looks relatively good. Let's ask the rest.
What will be our orthography?I personally would prefer to write with Chinese Pinyin with diacritics since I find it to be easiest to write and remember. However, that way we are limited to 4 tones.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 3:49 pm
by Schiaparelliorbust
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 3:43 pm
fluffykitty wrote: November 21st, 2020, 3:41 pm
How about three?
Looks relatively good. Let's ask the rest.
What will be our orthography?I personally would prefer to write with Chinese Pinyin with diacritics since I find it to be easiest to write and remember. However, that way we are limited to 4 tones.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Three is fine if I'm ever going to speak this language. I don't know if I can automatically adjust tone for meaning, it's not something my brain is wired to do. That should also be easy to type.
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 3:58 pm
by BokaBB
We are probably going to have āàá tones (ignore a, just look ar diacritics). We can remove ā if most agree.
Pinyin is the easiest way to write tones I know of.
Here is a proposed phonology:
/a/ /e/ /ə/ /i/ /o/ /u/ are the vowels (say if you don't like /ə/,it might be tough to type).
/b/ /c/ /d/ /f/ /ɡ/ /j/ /k/ /l/ /m/ /n/ /p/ /r/ /s/ /ʈʂ/ /t/ /v/ /x/ are the consonants.
Just a proposal,I am open to changes of every kind.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:03 pm
by fluffykitty
What do you think of /ɣʷ/?
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:07 pm
by BokaBB
fluffykitty wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:03 pm
What do you think of /ɣʷ/?
What kind of meaning has that W above?
Can you direct me to a link to hear its sound?I don't think I can input it, altrough I can /ɣ/. I will need some learning to pronounce it. Wikipedia claims it exists in Serbian,but it doesn't, in the example Wikipedia gave Х is /h/ as usually.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:15 pm
by fluffykitty
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:07 pm
fluffykitty wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:03 pm
What do you think of /ɣʷ/?
What kind of meaning has that W above?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labialization
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:07 pm
Can you direct me to a link to hear its sound?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Labi ... cative.ogg
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:22 pm
by BokaBB
An interesting sound, altrough we are going to need a simple way to write it if we want it. I think w is capable of that.
Let's ask others about that sound.
Isn't it a bid weird to have a weird sound and no similar sounds?I think we either should remove your sound or add similar ones,best /w/.
Other suggestions?
Also,can you make a new spreadsheet for this language, please?
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:26 pm
by fluffykitty
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:28 pm
by BokaBB
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:22 pm
Isn't it a bid weird to have a weird sound and no similar sounds?I think we either should remove your sound or add similar ones,best /w/.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:32 pm
by fluffykitty
Maybe we could change /x/ to /xʷ/. That would make a nice pair.
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:39 pm
by BokaBB
fluffykitty wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:32 pm
Maybe we could change /x/ to /xʷ/. That would make a nice pair.
I agree.
Can I get its sound?
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:43 pm
by fluffykitty
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:45 pm
by BokaBB
Okay,but I think we would need /w/ then to keep this language natural - looking, which I want.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:47 pm
by fluffykitty
Okay, but then how would we write /ɣʷ/?
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:48 pm
by BokaBB
fluffykitty wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:47 pm
Okay, but then how would we write /ɣʷ/?
Y?
What about writing /ə/?I have no problem with removing it.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:54 pm
by fluffykitty
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:48 pm
Y?
<y> isn't used for anything else so far, so that would work.
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:48 pm
What about writing /ə/?I have no problem with removing it.
Okay.
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 4:58 pm
by BokaBB
fluffykitty wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:54 pm
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:48 pm
Y?
<y> isn't used for anything else so far, so that would work.
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:48 pm
What about writing /ə/?I have no problem with removing it.
Okay.
Should we remove /ə/ then?I didn't quite understood what you meant with ,,Okay.". If not,we need a way to write it. Maybe a digraph?
The links with the pronunciations of the rare sounds MUST be in the spreadsheet.
I think we need to make at least some words, just to mark that we began this seriously.
I leave them to you.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a tonal language!
Posted: November 21st, 2020, 5:12 pm
by fluffykitty
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:58 pm
Should we remove /ə/ then?I didn't quite understood what you meant with ,,Okay.". If not,we need a way to write it. Maybe a digraph?
Yes, let's remove it.
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:58 pm
The links with the pronunciations of the rare sounds MUST be in the spreadsheet.
Added.
BokaBB wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:58 pm
I think we need to make at least some words, just to mark that we began this seriously.
Not necessarily. For Hunting's project we didn't make any words or affixes until around page 5.