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BokaBB wrote: October 27th, 2020, 12:11 pm Chemical CA are my new project that aims to make a multi - state cellular automaton with states that will behave very similarly to real life chemical elements.
Have a good day!

BokaBB

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 27th, 2020, 12:12 pm

BokaBB wrote: October 27th, 2020, 12:11 pm Chemical CA are my new project that aims to make a multi - state cellular automaton with states that will behave very similarly to real life chemical elements.
Have a good day!

BokaBB

Ok, let's start with a simple CA that can simulate combustion (burning). It will have carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen.

Moosey wrote: October 27th, 2020, 1:18 pm

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 27th, 2020, 12:12 pm nah
just make a ca that models a very simple artificial chemistry (I described one earlier)

Well you did say let's make a carbon/oxygen CA, and isn't that what burning is (minus the hydrogen)? Valence electrons would be too complicated I think.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 27th, 2020, 2:39 pm

Weird quotes what wrote: October 27th, 2020, 1:18 pm

Musi wrote: October 27th, 2020, 12:12 pm nah
just make a ca that models a very simple artificial chemistry (I described one earlier)

Well you did say let's make a carbon/oxygen CA, and isn't that what burning is (minus the hydrogen)? Valence electrons would be too complicated I think.

Moosey wrote: October 27th, 2020, 3:02 pm

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 27th, 2020, 2:39 pm

Yeah, but a specific goal such as burning may be a bit too specific; I think we should make something that models a very simple artificial chemistry. The system I described earlier would not involve valence electrons, but simply limits set on types of bonds that can form.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 27th, 2020, 3:12 pm

Moosey wrote: October 27th, 2020, 3:02 pm

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 27th, 2020, 2:39 pm

Yeah, but a specific goal such as burning may be a bit too specific; I think we should make something that models a very simple artificial chemistry. The system I described earlier would not involve valence electrons, but simply limits set on types of bonds that can form.

Just saying that we could start simpler to see if it even works. It would be a huge disappointment if we made more states and it didn't work because of a fundamental flaw.
Did you change my name to weird quotes what because I quoted without saying much on your thread?

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 1:29 am Noo! Let me join!

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 3:16 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 1:29 am Noo! Let me join!

Let you join where? No one's stopping you from posting here.

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:04 am You are progressing too fast, as if it were a progressive chess game.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:07 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:04 am You are progressing too fast, as if it were a progressive chess game.

Ok then, to recap, I think we should make a CA that can simulate combustion(burning) with hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen. We should make it as a proof of concept before we start making something bigger.

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:08 am You can also use TPT as a reference.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:10 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:08 am You can also use TPT as a reference.

What is TPT?

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:11 am The Powder Toy.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:16 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:11 am The Powder Toy.

I just looked it up, never heard about it before but I guess we can use it. Though in this CA I don't want gravity. Molecules should move on their own. What should happen when they collide? Remember we are using the Moore neighbourhood so we can't instantly make larger molecules bring smaller molecules with them or have them stop altogether.

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:17 am

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:16 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:11 am The Powder Toy.

I just looked it up, never heard about it before but I guess we can use it. Though in this CA I don't want gravity. Molecules should move on their own. What should happen when they collide? Remember we are using the Moore neighbourhood so we can't instantly make larger molecules bring smaller molecules with them or have them stop altogether.

I think you can turn off gravity in TPT, but I can't check right now - ask BokaBB.

Re: Collision, they do what they should do in real life.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:21 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:17 am

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:16 am
I just looked it up, never heard about it before but I guess we can use it. Though in this CA I don't want gravity. Molecules should move on their own. What should happen when they collide? Remember we are using the Moore neighbourhood so we can't instantly make larger molecules bring smaller molecules with them or have them stop altogether.

I think you can turn off gravity in TPT, but I can't check right now - ask BokaBB.

Re: Collision, they do what they should do in real life.

If they don't chemically react they should just rebound, going in the opposite directions that they came from. Bu that could be challenging to make, especially with large molecules because you have to have the whole molecule start moving at the same time. You can't have a few atoms start moving before others.

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:46 am Bonds can conduct force. When one atom begins to move, the rest of the molecule is pulled.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:48 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:46 am Bonds can conduct force. When one atom begins to move, the rest of the molecule is pulled.

But we're using the Moore neighbourhood. Influence can only move so fast.

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:50 am

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:48 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:46 am Bonds can conduct force. When one atom begins to move, the rest of the molecule is pulled.

But we're using the Moore neighbourhood. Influence can only move so fast.

A few atoms start moving before others is not that much of a problem, especially when we're at a macro perspective.

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:17 am

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:16 am

Hunting wrote: October 28th, 2020, 6:11 am The Powder Toy.

I just looked it up, never heard about it before but I guess we can use it. Though in this CA I don't want gravity. Molecules should move on their own. What should happen when they collide? Remember we are using the Moore neighbourhood so we can't instantly make larger molecules bring smaller molecules with them or have them stop altogether.

I think you can turn off gravity in TPT, but I can't check right now - ask BokaBB.

Re: Collision, they do what they should do in real life.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 10:14 am Ok, can we get started on designing the combustion CA?

BokaBB wrote: October 28th, 2020, 10:17 am

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 10:14 am Ok, can we get started on designing the combustion CA?

Yes!
Can you visit my project Country CA?
Have a good day!

BokaBB