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Soup search for exploding rules?

Posted: March 18th, 2015, 4:11 pm
by gameoflifeboy
A few weeks ago I realized that many exploding rules can be censused by putting patterns in a torus, where a repeat is bound to happen eventually. For example, in DryLife (23/37), most patterns in a 16 by 16 torus stabilize in a few hundred generations. Even in non-exploding rules, this could be used to find agars. Here is a pattern that creates an interesting agar (EDIT: It's actually a wick):

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B37/S23:T16,16
2obo3b3o3bo$3o2bob2obob2obo$b4ob2obobobo$2bobo2b3obob3o$2b4o2bob2ob3o$
2bob4o2b2obo$b4obo3b2o$bob5obob2ob2o$b3ob2ob2ob2o2bo$bob3ob2ob2obobo$o
4b2o3b2o3bo$2bo3b3ob3o2bo$ob8ob2obo$ob3o3bob2o$2o3b2obob2o2b2o$4ob2o7b
o!
I was thinking a feature could be added to apgsearch to search such rules by adding the torus size as a type of "symmetry", because for different rules there would obviously be different optimal sizes.

Re: Soup search for exploding rules?

Posted: March 27th, 2015, 8:29 pm
by David
Actually, the pattern you posted is a wick. The "wings" of the pattern don't interact each other.

Re: Soup search for exploding rules?

Posted: April 7th, 2015, 3:40 pm
by Alexey_Nigin
It is actually quite easy to modify wsearch for this purpose. Will you install it if I implement this feature?

Re: Soup search for exploding rules?

Posted: April 7th, 2015, 9:13 pm
by Scorbie
gameoflifeboy wrote:A few weeks ago I realized that many exploding rules can be censused by putting patterns in a torus, where a repeat is bound to happen eventually.
There is already a program for this purpose. You can tweak randomagar's source code to make them work in other rules. I'll try my best to help you if you send me a PM (although you should know that I can't explain that well...) There is a program called RandAgar for windows if you don't like the command line interface, but on previous posts I think I saw that you use Ubuntu... so I guess that won't work for you.

Re: Soup search for exploding rules?

Posted: April 7th, 2015, 9:34 pm
by gameoflifeboy
I also use a Windows computer so, I will try to download RandAgar on it. Thanks.