Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: June 11th, 2024, 8:41 am
i assume empty emptiness means the oscillator-like things it leaves, like plow world but slightly different.
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confocaloid wrote: June 11th, 2024, 8:33 am Welcome to the forums!
The question is a bit unclear; what are you asking about? Random soups grow without leaving any well-separated oscillators. On the other hand, cellular automata such as Conway's Life (B3/S23) have infinitely many distinct oscillators.
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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S0145678 bobob2ob2o$ob4o3bo$bobo2b4o$obobo3bo$bob2o4bo$ob2o2b3o$ob2o2bob2o$bob 4o2bo$bo2b5o$2o5bobo!
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x = 47, y = 11, rule = B3/S0145678
25bob2obo$16bo8b6o$16bo6b10o$7b2o6b3o6b8o7bo3bo$2bo4b2o5b5o6b6o6b3o4b
2o$2o5b2o5b5o4bob6obo4b3o6bo$7b2o6b3o7b6o5b3o$16bo7b8o$16bo6b10o$25b6o
$25bob2obo!nopetommyaweosme wrote: June 11th, 2024, 8:41 am i assume empty emptiness means the oscillator-like things it leaves, like plow world but slightly different.
A Cordership is a spaceship that moves diagonally with simplified speed c/12 (the actual period is higher), and is based on the switch engine from Conway's Life.
1. Corderoids are a family of spaceships that consists of stabilized puffers or unstable "moving" objects. Corderships are a subset of corderoid that consists of corder engines.Banananananan wrote: June 13th, 2024, 5:14 pm Difference between Corderoid and cordership?
Also: can a b1 rule not explode?(any b1, isotropic, or generations)
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# You can find this in Request a Rule to be "Tamed" thread
#R B1e2cek3cjkry4jrw5cny6ck7c/S2kn3-aejr4knqty5ejk6e
!
#C [[ RANDOMIZE ]] Code: Select all
r=(rule)
(rle)
c (settings)
As written, this sounds like a shortcut that would allow finding big still lives without actually searching for big still lives, which would indeed be truly remarkable. Unfortunately as far as I can tell that doesn't really make the problem easier; how do you find things that die in one generation in B3/S0145678?tommyaweosme wrote: June 13th, 2024, 9:07 pm edit: i JUST NOTICED that empty emptiness's b3s0145678 kills still lifes that are in regular life. aka, things that die in one generation in this rule are still lifes in life. take advantage and find small sparks. convert them into life, and get big still life.
maybe useful for heshel condits
It's not too hard to find still lives using software. For example, I just found a large still life in Life using Logic Life Search:tommyaweosme wrote: June 13th, 2024, 9:51 pm by using a spark searcher. its easy to find sparks, more than still lifes
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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
bo3b2o3bob2ob2ob2o$obo2bobo2b2obobo3bo$bobobobo5bo2b2o$3bobob2o4bo3b2o
$2bobo5b2obobo3bo$2bobob4obob2ob4o$b2obo2bo8bo$o2bobo6b3o3b2o$bobob2o
4bo2b2o3bo$2obo3bo2bobo5bo$o2bo3bo3bo5bo$2b2obob4o4b3obo$4b2o4bobobo3b
2o$3o3b2o3bob2obo$o2b2obo2bobo3b2ob2o$3bo2bob2o2b2o3bobo$4b3o3bobo4bo$
b3o3b2obobobo3bo$bo2bo2bobo3b2o2b2o$3b2o3bo!
# ./lls -b 20 20 -s p1 -p '>150'
Getting search pattern...
Done
Preprocessing...
Done
Width: 22
Height: 22
Duration: 2
Number of undetermined cells: 400
Number of variables: 3791
Number of clauses: 124166
x = 22, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbobbboobbboboobooboob$
bobobbobobboobobobbbob$
bbobobobobbbbbobboobbb$
bbbboboboobbbbobbboobb$
bbbobobbbbboobobobbbob$
bbboboboooobobooboooob$
bboobobbobbbbbbbbobbbb$
bobbobobbbbbbooobbboob$
bboboboobbbbobboobbbob$
boobobbbobbobobbbbbobb$
bobbobbbobbbobbbbbobbb$
bbbooboboooobbbbooobob$
bbbbboobbbbobobobbboob$
booobbboobbboboobobbbb$
bobboobobbobobbbooboob$
bbbbobboboobboobbbobob$
bbbbbooobbbobobbbbobbb$
bbooobbboobobobobbbobb$
bbobbobbobobbboobboobb$
bbbboobbbobbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb!
Total solver time: 0.0927116870880127
What is the lifespan of this pattern?tommyaweosme wrote: June 14th, 2024, 3:14 pm (i really want to win highest lifespan on tori b3/s23 by placing a really high period glider tracks with lcm)
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x = 40, y = 40, rule = B3-ry/S23-ky
19bo$18bobo$18bobo$19bo4$27bo$28bo$26b3o2$11b2o$10bobo$12bo2$37b2o$36b
o2bo$b2o34b2o$o2bo$b2o4$30bo$30bobo$30b2o2$13b3o$13bo$14bo7$20bo$19bob
o$19bobo$20bo!
/object/PATHOLOGICAL/b3s23 wrote: On 2022-09-28 at 05:09:53 UTC, haukeworpel wrote:
In b3-rys23-ky there is a glider-beehive collision where the beehive is shifted five cells and the glider is reflected 90 degrees. This "pathological" pattern is four of these reactions arranged in a square that expands with every collision.
I can see several possible ways to interpret the question (i.e. it's still ambiguous). Depending on the interpretation, one can determine several different lower bounds (I don't know whether these lower bounds are attainable):wwei47 wrote: June 7th, 2024, 11:23 amI meant neighborhood; not transition. I completely forgot that that was a word and fell back onto "transition" because I couldn't think of the right word. That is on me.confocaloid wrote: June 7th, 2024, 5:40 amI think you need to include some additional details/explanations about exactly what you are trying to do, before your question becomes clear, unambiguous and answerable. [...]wwei47 wrote: June 6th, 2024, 6:26 pm What is the smallest pattern by bounding box that contains every B34567 transition and every S1234567 transition? I was able to get 15 by 13.Code: Select all
x = 15, y = 13, rule = B/S012345678History .4B.2BABA2BA$.3ABA2BA2B2AB$.ABABA2BABABAB$.BAB2ABABA5B$.4BA2BA2B2A2B$ .BABA2BAB2AB2AB$.7AB3AB2A$2BA3BAB2A2BA2B$BAB5AB2ABA2B$6B5A3BA$.2B2AB 4ABAB2A$2.B2A3BA2BAB2A$2.BA4BA4B2A!
Up to rotations and reflections (one can look through the table),a possible way to interpret the question wrote:A cell can be in one of two states ("off", "on").
A 3-by-3 configuration of cells is said to be strange iff one of the following conditions is met:What is the smallest bounding box area of a known pattern (including all specified cells, both "on" and "off") that contains some orientation of every strange 3-by-3 configuration?
- (a) the middle cell is "off", and the number of "on" neighbours is between 3 and 7;
- (b) the middle cell is "on", and the number of "on" neighbours is between 1 and 7.
A lower bound on the bounding box area is 30, via the same reasoning as before. (To demonstrate every strange condition at least once, the pattern must contain at least 12 distinct fully specified 3-by-3 configurations. If the middle cells of those 12+ configurations lie inside a m-by-n rectangle, then the bounding box of the pattern is (m+2)-by-(n+2). The possibilities are n = 1, m >= 12, bb >= 42; n = 2, m >= 6, bb >= 32; n = 3, m >= 4, bb >= 30.)a possible way to interpret the question wrote:A cell can be in one of two states ("off", "on").
A neighbour-counting condition with range-1 Moore neighbourhood can be fully specified by telling the state of the middle cell ('B' = "off", 'S' = "on") and the number of "on" neighbours of the cell.
The twelve conditions B3, B4, B5, B6, B7, S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6, S7 are said to be strange, and there are no other strange conditions.
What is the smallest bounding box area of a known pattern (including all specified cells, both "on" and "off") that contains every strange condition?
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#C green (LifeHistory state 1) = specified on
#C red (LifeHistory state 4) = specified off
#C Neighbour-counting conditions, left to right: B7, B6, B5, S5, S6, S7, S4, B4, B3, S3, S2, S1.
x = 14, y = 3, rule = LifeHistory
4AD2A2DA4D$A3D4A2D3AD$4AD3ADA4D!
Distinguishing rotations and reflections, there are 218 strange configurations due to (a) and 254 strange configurations due to (b), so the pattern must contain at least 218+254 = 472 distinct fully specified 3-by-3 configurations. If the middle cells of those 472+ configurations lie inside a m-by-n rectangle, then the bounding box of the pattern is (m+2)-by-(n+2). Enumerating possible widths as before gives the lower bound 567 (if n = 19 and m = 25).a possible way to interpret the question wrote:A cell can be in one of two states ("off", "on").
A 3-by-3 configuration of cells is said to be strange iff one of the following conditions is met:What is the smallest bounding box area of a known pattern (including all specified cells, both "on" and "off") that contains every strange 3-by-3 configuration?
- (a) the middle cell is "off", and the number of "on" neighbours is between 3 and 7;
- (b) the middle cell is "on", and the number of "on" neighbours is between 1 and 7.
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x = 98, y = 99, rule = B36/S23
$74b3o$74bo2bo$74bo3bo$75bo2bo$76b3o43$23b3o$22bo2bo$21bo3bo$21bo2bo$
21b3o9$14b3o$13bo2bo$12bo3bo$12bo2bo$12b3o16$15b3o$14bo2bo$13bo3bo$13b
o2bo$13b3o!
The single sentence reply "looks like yes" neither answers the question "Can someone with more computing power figure out if this grows quadratically?" in the preceding post, nor otherwise contributes something valuable to the discussion. Did someone run the pattern (how long? what were the results?) Was there some analysis of the evolution of the pattern?
tommyaweosme wrote: June 13th, 2024, 8:59 pm me have a new format for yall to check out!everything is optional (except rle)Code: Select all
r=(rule) (rle) c (settings)
if rule is emited, its life
if settings is emited, nothing happens
all problem am solve! (just need update to lifeiewer for that happen)
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XXYYTRRRrleC
XX - Width
YY - Height
T - Bounded grid type
RRR - OTCA rulestring
C - Settings
All numbers are in base 64.
RRR and C are optional.
If there is no RRR, the rule would be Life.
If there is no C, default LV settings are used.
T is optional, I just didn't mention it being optional. As for XXYY: