x = 12, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$10bo$8bobo$8b2o7$o$obo$3o$bo4$3b2o$3b2o10$b3o$3bo$3b2o!
I think it is new, and it's quite a nice one. It won't be a Herschel conduit until someone finds an H-to-E that can connect to it, and unfortunately A for awesome's HF182E doesn't line up. But let's keep collecting these things when we find them, and remembering to post the words "E conduit" in the message every time, so that Google can help locate them again.
Ordinarily I'd say that things like this should go in the Elementary Conduits thread, but the rest of the E discussion is on this thread so maybe it might as well stay here.
x = 12, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$10bo$8bobo$8b2o7$o$obo$3o$bo4$3b2o$3b2o10$b3o$3bo$3b2o!
I think it is new, and it's quite a nice one. It won't be a Herschel conduit until someone finds an H-to-E that can connect to it, and unfortunately A for awesome's HF182E doesn't line up. But let's keep collecting these things when we find them, and remembering to post the words "E conduit" in the message every time, so that Google can help locate them again.
Ordinarily I'd say that things like this should go in the Elementary Conduits thread, but the rest of the E discussion is on this thread so maybe it might as well stay here.
Posting "E conduit" isn't enough, since a search would just ignore the "E". I typed "Eheptomino conduit", where "Eheptomino" is one word (or else the search would again ignore the "E"). Is there a way to make the search not ignore one and two-letter words?
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Here's an interesting start to a possible E heptomino conduit which *is* compatible with the known H-to-E conduit. The boat doesn't have to be a boat, but something needs to be there in order to make the transparent block re-coalesce and prevent the nearby eater from being destroyed. If we can restore the boat though, it might be possible to get more out of this than just a glider.
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: May 20th, 2020, 7:06 pmPosting "E conduit" isn't enough, since a search would just ignore the "E". I typed "Eheptomino conduit", where "Eheptomino" is one word (or else the search would again ignore the "E"). Is there a way to make the search not ignore one and two-letter words?
The PHPBB-based search system just plain isn't very good -- doesn't seem to have an option to index one- and two-letter words, or hyphenated combinations, or word combinations in quotes that have to be in that specific order.
Google, on the other hand, knows about "E-heptomino" already, which is why I mentioned Google being able to help. It will probably start returning results for "E conduit" in a day or three.
x = 41, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
27.A$25.3A$20.2A2.A$20.A.A2.A$6.4B.B9.B.2A2.A2.2A$6.7B.3B3.2B2.A.2A2.
A.A$6.12B.2BAB.A6.AB6.2A$6.14BA.A.A5.2B7.A$2D4.14B.2A.2A4.3B3.BA.A$D.
D7.9B9.7B.B2A$D9.9B8.10B$10.11B4.12B$10.11B.15B$6.19BD12B$6.19BDBD11B
$6.19B3D12B$6.21BD11B$6.32B$6.3BC15B6.6B$6.2B2C13B9.3B$6.3C7B2.4B10.3B
$6.C14B12.B$6.5B5.2C2B$7.3B6.C2B$17.3C$19.C2$3.D$.D.D$.3D$2.D!
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Another thing one could check is if the following bait can be remade in any way. Or if a boat factory strategy works (the 2 that I know do not work, :/)
Edit: I really should have clarified this earlier, but the H-to-E was not found by me (it was found by A for Awesome). All I did was find two E-to-X converters that were compatible with that H-to-E converter.
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A for awesome wrote:Any hope of restoring this blinker?...
Sorry, meant to answer this sooner. I don't know about a Bellman solution, but here's a related old-hat result. It's possible to restore the useful two-thirds of that blinker, repeatedly, with a p6 pipsquirter:
#C p6 Herschel fanout (64 and 65 steps)
#C The fanout uses Noam Elkies' p6 pipsquirt. One of the two output
#C Herschels (appearing in gen 64) is turned right w.r.t. the input
#C Herschel, the other one (gen 65) is turned left and flipped.
#C Dietrich Leithner, 1 December 1997
x = 30, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory
13.2A$13.A.A$15.A$11.4A.2A$11.A2.A.A.A$9.2A2.2A.A.A$8.A2.2A2.2A.A.2A$
7.A.2A2.2A.A.A.2A$7.A3.2A4.A$8.3A.A.3A$10.A3.A2$12.A$10.2BA$9.5B$5.2B
2.7B$3.D13B2.2B2.2B$.DBD22BD$B3D22BDBD$.D24B3DB$3.25BD$8.B.17B$11.9B.
B$10.8B$10.7B$9.11B$9.12B$9.12B$10.11B$8.4B.4B3CB$8.2A4.4BC2B$9.A4.2B
3C2B$6.3A6.6B$6.A8.7B$17.B.4B$20.4B$21.3B$23.B2A$23.BA.A$26.A$26.2A!
I guess that this didn't make it into Hersrch in the form of Lx65p6 and Rx64p6 conduits, only because lower-period forms of both conduits were available. Makes it easy to forget about this nice Herschel-splitting reaction, though.
It might be worth looking at this again, especially if higher-period pipsquirters are found. I guess p7 or p8 pipsquirters wouldn't work, though -- haven't checked higher periods.
Or... I don't remember if this Herschel splitter has been thoroughly checked against the current gun collection. Seems as if it would be easy enough to attach a syringe to the input. But it would only work for p6N, of course.
Whoa, a new elementary L122 conduit... right? It doesn't seem to come apart into pieces -- that transparent block is not the standard one. Cross-posting this from Useless Discoveries; this doesn't look useless at all.
x = 27, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory
13.B$12.3D$12.BDB$11.3D2B$11.5B$10.6B$10.6B$11.5B$11.6B$10.6B$10.7B$
11.6B$11.6B$11.6B$10.8B$9.8B$9.9B$9.9B$2.2A4.10B$2.A.A3.3B2A5B$4.A2.
4B2A5B$4.2A.11B$6.12B$4.2A2.10B$2.A2.A13B$2.2A3.13B$6.15B$6.16B$5.11B
3.4B$5.11B4.4B$4.5BC6B5.4B$4.5BCBC4B.B4.4B$4.5B3C5B2A4.4B$4.7BC3B.B2A
5.3B$4.10B3.B7.2B$4.9B13.B$6.5B$5.7B$5.3BA3B4.2A$4.3BABA3B4.A$4.3BABA
3B4.A.2A$4.4BA4B2.B2A2.A$2.2AB.5B.BA2B2.2A$.A.AB.7B5A$.A5.3B.2A.B2.A$
2A9.BAB.2A$10.2BA.A$7.A2.A.A.A$7.4A.2A$11.A$9.A.A$9.2A!
New conduits that produce extra glider outputs are pretty rare, especially with numbers as low as 122. Is there a way to make it work with an Fx77 or F116 prefix?
dvgrn wrote: July 20th, 2020, 7:14 pmNew conduits that produce extra glider outputs are pretty rare, especially with numbers as low as 122. Is there a way to make it work with an Fx77 or F116 prefix?
x = 54, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory
40.B$39.3D$39.BDB$38.3D2B$38.5B$37.6B$37.6B$38.5B$38.6B$37.6B$37.7B$38.
6B$38.6B$38.6B$37.8B$12.A23.8B$12.3A21.9B$15.A20.9B$14.2A4.2B7.2A4.10B
$10.B3.8B7.A.A3.3B2A5B$8.4B4.7B8.A2.4B2A5B$7.6B.9B8.2A.11B$7.6B.10B9.
12B$6.19B6.2A2.10B$5.19B5.A2.A13B$5.17B7.2A3.13B$6.15B12.15B$4.17B12.
16B$2.21B9.11B3.4B$2.2BC21B3.2B.11B4.4B$.3BCBC4B.24BD6B5.4B$2.2B3C4B2.
23BDBD4B.B4.4B$.5BC4B2.23B3D5B2A4.4B$10B4.24BD3B.B2A5.3B$3B10.28B3.B7.
2B$2B12.16B.9B13.B$B13.12B7.5B$14.9B9.7B$13.11B8.3BA3B4.2A$14.7B.B2A6.
3BABA3B4.A$16.4B2.BA.A5.3BABA3B4.A.2A$15.B2A2B5.A5.4BA4B2.B2A2.A$16.2A
7.2A2.2AB.5B.BA2B2.2A$28.A.AB.7B5A$25.2A.A5.3B.2A.B2.A$25.A.2A9.BAB.2A
$37.2BA.A$34.A2.A.A.A$34.4A.2A$38.A$36.A.A$36.2A!
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dvgrn wrote: July 20th, 2020, 7:14 pmNew conduits that produce extra glider outputs are pretty rare, especially with numbers as low as 122. Is there a way to make it work with an Fx77 or F116 prefix?
x = 27, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
13.B$12.3D$12.BDB$11.3D2B$11.5B$10.6B$10.6B$11.5B$11.6B$10.6B$10.7B$
11.6B$11.6B$11.6B$10.8B$9.8B$9.9B$9.9B$2.2A4.10B$2.A.A3.3B2A5B$4.A2.
4B2A5B$4.2A.11B$6.12B$4.2A2.10B$2.A2.A13B$2.2A3.13B$6.15B$6.16B$5.11B
3.4B$5.11B4.4B$4.5BC6B5.4B$4.5BCBC4B.B4.4B$4.5B3C5B2A4.4B$4.7BC3B.B2A
5.3B$4.10B3.B7.2B$4.9B13.B$6.5B$5.7B$5.3BC3B$4.3BCBC3B$4.3BCBC3B$4.4B
C4B$2.2AB.5B.B2A$.A.AB.5B.BA.A$.A5.3B5.A$2A3.7B3.2A$5.2A.B.2A$6.A3.A$
3.3A5.3A$3.A9.A!
There's another non-stable conduit that has needed a way to push a beehive back by one cell, for a long time (so it just has to use a pentadecathlon, and is therefore p15). But of course this reaction is way too specific to apply to that situation.
Also, wouldn't you know, this makes yet another conduit that produces parallel gliders 17hd apart, whereas you need 18hd to be able to pry two lanes apart using Snarks (and Bandersnatches can't help).
Is there anything a little more Spartan-ish that can replace that eater4? Seems like a new use for an eater4 comes along only quite rarely, so this is a bit of a surprise.
