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The intended meaning of "with the other part" is unnecessarily hard to understand, since the linked edit removed an explicit clarification that the p228 oscillator is a LCM oscillator (so it has at least two interacting parts).Pulsar quadrant is used in the smallest known oscillator of period 228, with the other part being the [[p76 pi-heptomino shuttle]].
That revision explicitly clarifies in plain text that "the other part" means a part of the p228 oscillator (as opposed to a part of pulsar quadrant or something else).Pulsar_quadrant&oldid=145486 wrote:== LCM oscillators ==
Pulsar quadrant is used in the smallest known oscillator of period 228, a [[LCM oscillator]] with the other part being the [[p76 pi-heptomino shuttle]].
Hmm, well, I wouldn't want to restore it exactly. A minor part of the awkwardness was that it said "a LCM oscillator" instead of "an LCM oscillator", and we can probably improve it a little bit in other ways. It didn't seem really clear what "the other part" meant in TYCF's version either, because no "first part" is mentioned. We could tryconfocaloid wrote: February 9th, 2024, 6:18 pm I think the previous revision by TYCF should be restored...
The "lack of overall consistency" part isn't going to be addressed one way or another with this edit. That would take a decision by the community, and a significant editing campaign -- because there are a lot of section-heading links, and they're not just the "Commonness" ones.confocaloid wrote: February 9th, 2024, 6:18 pmThat revision also successfully avoids links in section headings (which lead to accessibility problems and lack of overall consistency).
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WingsThat's not true. TYCF's version moved the link into the section. The same page is now linked from the linked word "commonness":dvgrn wrote: February 9th, 2024, 11:21 pm[...] Also, TYCF's version completely removed the link to the list of common oscillators. [...]
Ah, I see. The actual text of TYCF's version no longer had any links --confocaloid wrote: February 10th, 2024, 3:11 amThat's not true. TYCF's version moved the link into the section. The same page is now linked from the linked word "commonness":dvgrn wrote: February 9th, 2024, 11:21 pm[...] Also, TYCF's version completely removed the link to the list of common oscillators. [...]
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=145486
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldid=145487
-- but for the specific case where the header is followed by that "Needs occurrence info" template, the template then provides the correct "commonness" link (and it had been doing that all along, duplicating the link in the header, not related to TYCF's edit).== Commonness ==
{{Needs occurrence info|type=oscillator}}
Actually, the template did not previously provide any links at all. I think adding the links to the template is an improvement.dvgrn wrote: February 10th, 2024, 9:48 am[...] -- but for the specific case where the header is followed by that "Needs occurrence info" template, the template then provides the correct "commonness" link (and it had been doing that all along, duplicating the link in the header, not related to TYCF's edit). [...]
An example of an explicit linking to related pages can be seen in Elevener#Occurrence. The links are added immediately below the heading, using template:related. That makes it immediately visible which pages are actually linked:dvgrn wrote: February 10th, 2024, 9:48 am[...]
It seems like this will need some attention going forward, since "Needs occurrence info" is presumably intended to be temporary. Two more spot-checks at random: in para-bookend and bun the text includes the word "common", so if we wanted to we could easily move the link from the header to that word. But in tub with very long tail, the current wording doesn't include "common" or "commonness" anywhere, so there'd be a little bit of custom rework to be done there -- if it's important to keep the link at all. [...]
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{{related|List of common still lifes|List of still lifes with 11 cells}}
Elevener is [...]Hmm... it's not an improvement quite yet, but it will be soon. That change always links to "List of common oscillators" no matter what the type is, so it's serving up irrelevant links in a lot of articles like where the type is "still life" now -- see, e.g., "century eater". EDIT: Correction, there are just a couple of articles of that type -- I didn't scan to the end of the search list.confocaloid wrote: February 10th, 2024, 10:16 am Actually, the template did not previously provide any links at all. I think adding the links to the template is an improvement.
yes! raze the pages!TYCF wrote: February 12th, 2024, 5:52 am Delete pages in Category:Speedy deletion and Category:Pending deletion?
Sorry. (HotdogPi has reverted it.)confocaloid wrote: February 12th, 2024, 4:05 pm https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=144504
Incorrect change in spelling of periods (e.g. it should be "p32 honey farm hassler", not "P32 honey farm hassler" and so on). Should be changed back to follow the convention.
hotdogPi wrote: February 13th, 2024, 11:40 amBoth statements cannot be true.It has been proven that B23 rules without S0 cannot support spaceships,[citation needed] however examples are known in the ten rules B2367(8)/S2467(8), B235(78)/S14678, and B2357(8)/S3678 (where transitions in brackets are optional). All known are photons.
confocaloid wrote: February 12th, 2024, 4:05 pm https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=119237
Undiscussed change to the template; likely to create future problems with consistency. I think should be reverted, until (whatever the bigger idea behind that change is) is discussed here on the forums and until/unless there's some observable consensus on that.
I thought the change harmless enough when making it that I didn't deem it to require discussion, there isn't anything else that a 'name' parameter could mean and the "rulename" seems extraneous when the template is already entitled LinkCatagolueRule. The LinkForumThread template's parameter is only "name," not "postname," and you didn't complain when I changed LinkCatagolue (the object-linking template) to match in August. (I did, however, later change it to be even more permissive and allow it to be given as an unnamed parameter following the rule, which you reverted with sound reasoning, I was too hasty then, sorry.)confocaloid wrote: February 12th, 2024, 4:05 pm https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=119237
Undiscussed change to the template; likely to create future problems with consistency. I think should be reverted, until (whatever the bigger idea behind that change is) is discussed here on the forums and until/unless there's some observable consensus on that.
Just because I (or anyone else) didn't complain about some change, doesn't mean that change was/is a good idea.DroneBetter wrote: February 13th, 2024, 6:13 pmI thought the change harmless enough when making it that I didn't deem it to require discussion, there isn't anything else that a 'name' parameter could mean and the "rulename" seems extraneous when the template is already entitled LinkCatagolueRule. The LinkForumThread template's parameter is only "name," not "postname," and you didn't complain when I changed LinkCatagolue (the object-linking template) to match in August. (I did, however, later change it to be even more permissive and allow it to be given as an unnamed parameter following the rule, which you reverted with sound reasoning, I was too hasty then, sorry.)confocaloid wrote: February 12th, 2024, 4:05 pm https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=119237
Undiscussed change to the template; likely to create future problems with consistency. I think should be reverted, until (whatever the bigger idea behind that change is) is discussed here on the forums and until/unless there's some observable consensus on that.
There is no lag for me.confocaloid wrote: February 13th, 2024, 11:48 am https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=145602
Multiple issues, including:
- Too many animated viewers on a page. When there are many viewers on a single page, they should not generally be animated, to avoid browser lag.
What accessibility reader doesn't allow links in headers to be clicked? And surely including only one utterance of the rule name that appears in the table-of-contents entry (and including the link in it) reduces the total clutter?confocaloid wrote:
- Links / markup should be removed from section headings (markup in headings creates problems with accessibility and visual clutter)
I think it is unambiguous insofar as the wiki is concerned, since Outer-totalistic cellular automaton redirects to Life-like cellular automaton.confocaloid wrote:
- "22 outer-totalistic rules" does not clarify that the rules are all two-state rules on the square grid with range-1 Moore neighbourhood. There are also hexagonal rules; there are rules with higher-range neighbourhoods; there are three-dimensional rules; there are multistate rules; all such rules also can be outer-totalistic. However, neither of those rulespaces is covered by the list.
Should be changed to "22 Life-like rules", which excludes rulespaces that were not intended to be covered by the list.
The only case of that is the excerptconfocaloid wrote:
- Inline external links should be moved from the main part of the page to the end, in the footnotes section and/or "External links" section (keeping only internal links to other wiki pages in the main part of the page).
which contains the link as part of the quotation.One of the few rules known to support replicators.
Oh, nice catch, it is in fact because I was referencing my File:OT map (Gray, speed colouring) (annotated).png image when making it and apparently got the left side's S0 the wrong way around in the left (B0less) half of the Gray code, I will reply to hotdogPi directly also.confocaloid wrote:hotdogPi wrote: February 13th, 2024, 11:40 amBoth statements cannot be true.It has been proven that B23 rules without S0 cannot support spaceships,[citation needed] however examples are known in the ten rules B2367(8)/S2467(8), B235(78)/S14678, and B2357(8)/S3678 (where transitions in brackets are optional). All known are photons.
Well, there *is* lag for me. Besides that, multiple animations on a page are fairly distracting (and those spaceships don't really need to be animated).
That may be a reason to think about reorganizing the whole page. There are many short sections, which don't really need to be sections. Another possibility (imo better) would be to present them as a bulleted list, with separate sections left only when the content does not fit in a list item (more than a paragraph with a few links).DroneBetter wrote: February 13th, 2024, 6:27 pm And surely including only one utterance of the rule name that appears in the table-of-contents entry (and including the link in it) reduces the total clutter?
Actually that should be a separate page, rather than a redirect. The redirect is imprecise.DroneBetter wrote: February 13th, 2024, 6:27 pm I think it is unambiguous insofar as the wiki is concerned, since Outer-totalistic cellular automaton redirects to Life-like cellular automaton.
There are also (at least) Catagolue links scattered across the page. I think it would be better to collect external links in footnotes/external links sections, and reorganize the page to convert short sections into list items.DroneBetter wrote: February 13th, 2024, 6:27 pmThe only case of that is the excerptconfocaloid wrote:
- Inline external links should be moved from the main part of the page to the end, in the footnotes section and/or "External links" section (keeping only internal links to other wiki pages in the main part of the page).
which contains the link as part of the quotation.One of the few rules known to support replicators.
Actually, coming to think of it, upon closer inspection it seems it does have drops in framerate during webpage scrolling, I suppose I have gotten used to it. (My laptop is usually hot when I'm using it due to conducting searches of one kind or another, and has occasional momentary freezes at the best of times (and crashes at the worst, which are usually accompanied by playing very loud square waves into my headphones), so I suppose I have gotten used to such things.)confocaloid wrote: February 13th, 2024, 6:52 pm Well, there *is* lag for me. Besides that, multiple animations on a page are fairly distracting (and those spaceships don't really need to be animated).
I intended for this page to have every entry expanded with progress reports and partial results and notes of existence of other things like wickstretchers (which I doubtlessly missed), this is only the preliminary version, ideally they all ought to be longer than lit items.confocaloid wrote: That may be a reason to think about reorganizing the whole page. There are many short sections, which don't really need to be sections. Another possibility (imo better) would be to present them as a bulleted list, with separate sections left only when the content does not fit in a list item (more than a paragraph with a few links).
I would like more description of discoveries in other neighbourhoods as well. (There are 64 nonequivalent INT von Neumann rules (though no spaceships, since B1 is necessary to escape the bounding box) and 8192 nonequivalent OT hexagonal ones, maybe May13's and the various others' results could be put into something like glider.db.) However, at present the LifeWiki is mostly Moore-exclusive, and it is accepted as the default (and omittable) in the page-titling scheme.confocaloid wrote: Actually that should be a separate page, rather than a redirect. The redirect is imprecise.
I still think the wording should be changed to "Life-like rules". Life-like cellular automata are (outer-totalistic) two-state rules on square grid with range-1 Moore neighbourhood. But there are multiple other rulespaces (different grid/neighbourhood/number of states), which also can be outer-totalistic. I believe the list was not intended to go beyond Life-like rules (and didn't).
You always seem to like needlessly putting Catagolue links into footnotes or "(Catagolue: here)"s following the string describing them instead of hyperlinking the string directly (which, as demonstrated by the quarter-century-old page regarding which we are discussing, has been the convention for a long time), and conversely decrease pages' readability in doing so. I have spoken with galoomba, who agrees with me on this.confocaloid wrote: There are also (at least) Catagolue links scattered across the page. I think it would be better to collect external links in footnotes/external links sections, and reorganize the page to convert short sections into list items.
I suggested reorganizing since some sections are likely to remain short, and are likely to work better as brief list items.DroneBetter wrote: February 13th, 2024, 8:30 pmI intended for this page to have every entry expanded with progress reports and partial results and notes of existence of other things like wickstretchers (which I doubtlessly missed), this is only the preliminary version, ideally they all ought to be longer than lit items.confocaloid wrote: That may be a reason to think about reorganizing the whole page. There are many short sections, which don't really need to be sections. Another possibility (imo better) would be to present them as a bulleted list, with separate sections left only when the content does not fit in a list item (more than a paragraph with a few links).
For wiki pages, the convention that I know is that external links shouldn't go in the body of the article. In almost all cases, the main part of the article should contain only links to other wiki pages.DroneBetter wrote: February 13th, 2024, 8:30 pmYou always seem to like needlessly putting Catagolue links into footnotes or "(Catagolue: here)"s following the string describing them instead of hyperlinking the string directly (which, as demonstrated by the quarter-century-old page regarding which we are discussing, has been the convention for a long time), and conversely decrease pages' readability in doing so.confocaloid wrote: There are also (at least) Catagolue links scattered across the page. I think it would be better to collect external links in footnotes/external links sections, and reorganize the page to convert short sections into list items.
WP:External links wrote:External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article.
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With rare exceptions, external links should not be used in the body of an article. Instead, include appropriate external links in an "External links" section at the end of the article, and in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable.
What are you suggesting that it should be changed to? The pattern is p5 and emits a domino spark (i.e., it's a volcano).b-engine wrote: February 17th, 2024, 7:16 am The heavyweight volcano in the infobox isn't a heavyweight volcano at all; it doesn't emit side spark in the fashion of HWSS. I think the infobox pattern should be changed.
I suggest to change it to 56P5, 148P5 or something similar, even though the side sparks of 56P5 are weak.dvgrn wrote: February 17th, 2024, 9:47 am What are you suggesting that it should be changed to? The pattern is p5 and emits a domino spark (i.e., it's a volcano).
Heavyweight spaceships emit domino sparks. That's the main criterion. Notice the first three patterns in the gallery, including Dean Hickerson's original variant, also don't produce the extra dot spark in the same place that an HWSS produces it -- that's an optional extra, you might say.
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