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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 16th, 2023, 5:47 pm
by Anivec
Yes! I finally figured out how to get something out of one of my partials (G-to-R+G, and like most of these new G-to-Xs it's repeat time is 90)
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x = 61, y = 56, rule = LifeHistory
37.B$35.5B$33.2E5B2E$32.B2E5B2EB$32.11B$32.11B$2.A25.B3.11B2.2B$A.A23.
4B2.17B$.2A22.24BDB$25.23B3DB$25.25BD$23.2AB.22B$22.A.AB2.19B$22.A5.18B
$21.2A6.16B$30.16B$32.15B$30.18B$30.2A3.9B.4B$31.A2.9B3.4B$28.3A3.8B5.
4B$28.A4.9B6.4B$34.7B8.4B$33.2B2E4B9.4B$33.BE2BE3B10.4B$33.2B2E4B.B9.
4B$34.11B8.4B$35.12B7.4B$24.C9.14B7.4B$23.2BC8.14B8.4B$23.3CB6.14B10.
4B$24.4B5.16B9.3B$25.4B3.10B5.2A10.2B$26.4B2.10B5.A12.B$27.4B.10B6.3A
$26.17B7.A$25.19B$24.20B$23.22B$24.22B5.A$24.22B3.3A$26.20B2.A$27.17B
.BA2.A$28.18B4A$31.15B$32.4B2E5B2.B2A$30.5B.2E.4B4.A$30.2A8.2B5.A.2A$
31.A7.2A2B.2A.A2.A$28.3A7.AB.A2B.A.2A$28.A8.A.2AB2.A$37.A5.A$38.6A.A$
40.A3.A.A$43.A2.A$44.2A!
Conduit 1 just barely gets it’s glider out:
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x = 62, y = 63, rule = LifeHistory
51.2A$51.2A2$58.A.2A$58.2A.A3$37.B$35.5B$33.2E5B2E$32.B2E5B2EB$32.11B
13.A$32.11B12.A.A$2.A25.B3.11B2.2B9.2A$A.A23.4B2.17B$.2A22.24BDB$25.23B
3DB$25.25BD$23.2AB.22B$22.A.AB2.19B$22.A5.18B$21.2A6.16B$30.16B$32.15B
$30.18B$30.2A3.9B.4B$31.A2.9B3.4B$28.3A3.8B5.4B$28.A4.9B6.4B$34.7B8.4B
$33.2B2E4B9.4B$33.BE2BE3B10.4B$33.2B2E4B.B9.4B$34.11B8.4B$35.12B7.4B$
24.C9.14B7.4B$23.2BC8.14B8.4B$23.3CB6.14B10.4B$24.4B5.16B9.3B$25.4B3.
10B5.2A10.2B$26.4B2.10B5.A12.B$27.4B.10B6.3A$26.17B7.A$25.19B$24.20B$
23.22B$24.22B$24.22B$26.20B2.2A$27.17B.BA2.A$28.18B3A$31.15B$32.4B2E5B
2.B2A.A.2A$30.5B.2E.4B4.A.2A.A$30.2A8.2B5.A$31.A7.2A2B.2A.A$28.3A7.AB
.A2B.A.2A$28.A8.A.2AB2.A$37.A5.A$38.6A.A$40.A3.A.A$43.A2.A$44.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
Posted: November 17th, 2023, 4:57 am
by HerscheltheHerschel
H-to-D without gliders (remove the white blocks to get a dove output)
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x = 71, y = 63, rule = LifeHistory
59.2C$59.2C5$47.A20.2C$39.2A5.A.A19.2C$40.A4.2BAB$40.A.AB2.2B$41.2AB.
B.6B$43.11B9.B$34.A9.10B7.5B$33.A.A7.13B3.3B3DB3.2C$33.A.A5.20BD2BDB3.
2C$31.3A.2A4.19BD2BD2B$30.A4.B5.20B2D3B$31.3AB2AB3.25B$33.A.2A28B$37.
28B$37.7B3D19B$37.7BDBD19B$38.6BD2BD3B6.8B$37.9B2D3B9.2B$37.15B$38.13B
$19.2A17.12B$20.A.B16.10B$20.A.AB18.10B$21.2A2B17.11B3.B$6.2A14.4B13.
14B2.3B$7.A15.4B11.20B$7.A.A14.4B8.23B.B$8.2A15.4B6.25B2A$9.4B13.4B5.
25B2A$10.4B7.2A4.4B3.27B$11.4B5.B2AB4.4B.28B$12.4B5.3B5.27B2.B$13.4B3.
B.B6.31B$14.4B.6B4.32B$15.10B2.34B$7.2A7.45B$8.A8.42B.B2A$8.A.AB6.39B
3.BA.A$9.2AB.3B2.38B7.A$11.21B3D18B10.2A$11.23BD17B$12.20B3D14B$11.38B
$9.39B$7.19B3.17B$7.2BC15B5.14B$6.3BCBC4B.7B7.13B$7.2B3C4B2.6B7.7B.5B
$6.5BC4B3.6B6.2A7.3B$5.10B6.4B7.A6.2A$4.4B12.B2A2B4.3A7.A$4.3B14.2A.B
2A2.A7.A.A$2.4B18.BA.A.A7.2A$2.2A23.A.2A$3.A23.A$3A23.2A$A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 17th, 2023, 10:41 pm
by yoleo
EDIT: Here's something delightfully weird and spartan. I haven't found a good way to cleanly extract one of the B outputs, but I'm sure there's something that doesn't require resorting to Bellman:
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x = 34, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
$10b2o$10bobo7bo$12bo5b3o$12b2o3bo$17b2o4$30b2o$9bo20b2o$10bo$10b2o14b
o$9b2o14bobo$9bo14bo2bo$25b2o16$20bo$19bobo$19b2o!
Barrister found a way to cleanly eliminate the block from the B, without producing the other output. Name BB91B:
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x = 24, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory
6.A.2A$4.4A.3A$3.A8.A$3.A2.2AB3A$2.2A.A.A.A$A2.A.2A2B$2A2.5B$4.5B$4.
7B5.B$5.6B3.5B$3.17B2.B$2.18B.B2A$.21B2A$B2C17B.2B$2B2C14BEB$B2C14BEB
E$BC14BE2BE$3B.13B2EB$5.14B$6.12B$6.10B$6.10B$6.11B$6.11B$5.12B$4.12B
$5.3BD5B$7.2D6B$6.2D7B$6.B2D6B$8.7B$8.6B$10.3B$12.AB$11.A.A$11.2A!
It looks like it could be fed into itself, but barrister isn't finding a weld that works. It's only 1 cell that's problematic.
EDIT: the block of the B is consumed independent of the bottom boat catalysis, so we may be able to get more B-to-X's out of this setup.
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 17th, 2023, 11:02 pm
by Anivec
yoleo wrote: November 17th, 2023, 10:41 pm
EDIT: Here's something delightfully weird and spartan. I haven't found a good way to cleanly extract one of the B outputs, but I'm sure there's something that doesn't require resorting to Bellman:
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x = 34, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
$10b2o$10bobo7bo$12bo5b3o$12b2o3bo$17b2o4$30b2o$9bo20b2o$10bo$10b2o14b
o$9b2o14bobo$9bo14bo2bo$25b2o16$20bo$19bobo$19b2o!
Barrister found a way to cleanly eliminate the block from the B, without producing the other output. Name BB91B:
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x = 24, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory
6.A.2A$4.4A.3A$3.A8.A$3.A2.2AB3A$2.2A.A.A.A$A2.A.2A2B$2A2.5B$4.5B$4.
7B5.B$5.6B3.5B$3.17B2.B$2.18B.B2A$.21B2A$B2C17B.2B$2B2C14BEB$B2C14BEB
E$BC14BE2BE$3B.13B2EB$5.14B$6.12B$6.10B$6.10B$6.11B$6.11B$5.12B$4.12B
$5.3BD5B$7.2D6B$6.2D7B$6.B2D6B$8.7B$8.6B$10.3B$12.AB$11.A.A$11.2A!
It looks like it could be fed into itself, but barrister isn't finding a weld that works. It's only 1 cell that's problematic.
EDIT: the block of the B is consumed independent of the bottom boat catalysis, so we may be able to get more B-to-X's out of this setup.
Funny loop found by Kazyan:
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x = 38, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
20bob2o$18b4ob3o$11bob2o2bo8bo$11b2obo2bo2b2ob3o$14bob2obobobo$7b2o5bo
2bob2o$7bo7bo$8b3ob3o$10bobo$11bo2$23bobo10b2o$22bo3bo9b2o$22bo4bo$12b
2o8bo4bo4bo$12b2o9bo3bo3bobo$23bo2bo3bo2bo$31b2o8$5b2o$4bo2bo$4bobo10b
o$5bo11b3o$12bo2bobo$2o11bo2b2o$2o11bo2bo$15bo$26bo$25bobo$23b3ob3o$
22bo7bo$17b2obo2bo5b2o$14bobobob2obo$12b3ob2o2bo2bob2o$11bo8bo2b2obo$
12b3ob4o$14b2obo!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 21st, 2023, 12:56 pm
by HerscheltheHerschel
Jason's P22 object-to-P
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x = 6, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
b3o$o3bo$o4bo$b2obo$3bo5$2o$2o!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 21st, 2023, 1:01 pm
by confocaloid
HerscheltheHerschel wrote: November 21st, 2023, 12:56 pm
Jason's P22 object-to-P
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x = 6, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
b3o$o3bo$o4bo$b2obo$3bo5$2o$2o!
Unfortunately you're going to be shot down by someone who does not believe that that active object can be useful as a conduit intermediate, but what I can say is that this is interesting, even if not strictly on-topic here.
confocaloid wrote: September 27th, 2023, 12:57 pm
Period1GliderGun wrote: September 27th, 2023, 12:49 pm
hotdogPi wrote: September 27th, 2023, 12:42 pm
It's a "Jason's p22" output. It's more common than you might think.
so with some splitters we could have a p15 G-to-Jason's p22?
"Almost": there would be an unwanted interaction between the two halves, and the eater 1s would get in the way.
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x = 36, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
22.2A3.A2.A3.2A$22.5A4.5A$22.2A3.A2.A3.2A7$29.2A$29.2A7$13.D14.A$13.
3D13.A$16.D10.3A$15.2D2$18.D$17.D.D9.2A$16.D3.D8.2A$17.D2.D$17.D2.D$
18.2D6$16.2D$15.D2.D$15.D2.D$5.2A8.D3.D$5.2A9.D.D$17.D2$19.2D$6.3A10.
D$6.A13.3D$7.A14.D7$5.2A$5.2A7$2A3.A2.A3.2A$5A4.5A$2A3.A2.A3.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 21st, 2023, 4:41 pm
by dvgrn
confocaloid wrote: November 21st, 2023, 1:01 pm
Unfortunately you're going to be shot down by someone who does not believe that that active object can be useful as a conduit intermediate...
"Shooting down" HerscheltheHerschel isn't quite what I want to do -- but it's true that I do seem to be spending a lot more time than I want to these days, moving posts to more appropriate threads.
@HerscheltheHerschel, what I
would like to beg you to do is to pay attention to the types of patterns that get posted on collection threads like this one, and to try harder to avoid posting things on these threads that don't match the criteria.
I don't either believe or disbelieve that a Jason's p22 active object might someday be an input or an output to an elementary conduit. But I do believe that the above "Jason's P22 object-to-P" doesn't belong on
this particular thread yet.
As soon as
1) you can exhibit a working connection from X-to-Jason's-P22-object-to-Y,
2) you can exhibit another working connection from W-to-Jason's-P22-object-to-Y or X-to-Jason's-P22-object-to-Z, and
3) there are workable ways to supply X and/or W inputs and consume Y and/or Z outputs,
then the Jason's P22 object will become a standard active object, and converters for it will belong on this thread. Until then, we have plenty of other threads for
more speculative conduits -- please see the link list in the first post.
I'm happy to leave these three posts in here, though, unless somebody reports them -- as a good placeholder reminder (for the next year, let's say) of what the limits are for posts to this particular thread. I just have to make my best effort to prevent fifty more similarly misclassified posts from showing up here in quick succession, given the encouragement from this Jason's-P22-object post.
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 27th, 2023, 8:42 am
by affamatodidio
RT114 B-G
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x = 88, y = 116, rule = B3/S23
48b2o$24bo23bo$24b3o19bobo$27bo18b2o$26b2o5$19b2o$9b2o8b2o$9b2o36b2o$
47bobo$48b2o$2o$2o3$40bo$26b2o11bobo$2bo23b2o12b2o$3bo$3b2o$2b2o$2bo2$
7b2o13b2o$7b2o13bo$20bobo$20b2o2$16b2o$15bobo$16bo$67b2o$43bo23bo$43b
3o19bobo$46bo18b2o$45b2o5$38b2o$28b2o8b2o$28b2o36b2o$66bobo$67b2o3$19b
2o$9b2o8b2o$9b2o48bo$45b2o11bobo$45b2o12b2o$2o$2o4$26b2o13b2o$2bo23b2o
13bo$3bo35bobo$3b2o34b2o$2b2o$2bo32b2o$34bobo$7b2o13b2o11bo$7b2o13bo63b
2o$20bobo39bo23bo$20b2o40b3o19bobo$65bo18b2o$16b2o46b2o$15bobo$16bo3$
57b2o$47b2o8b2o$47b2o36b2o$85bobo$86b2o3$38b2o$28b2o8b2o$28b2o48bo$64b
2o11bobo$64b2o12b2o3$19b2o$9b2o8b2o$9b2o$45b2o13b2o$45b2o13bo$2o56bob
o$2o56b2o2$54b2o$53bobo$26b2o13b2o11bo$2bo23b2o13bo$3bo35bobo$3b2o34b
2o$2b2o$2bo32b2o$34bobo$7b2o13b2o11bo$7b2o13bo$20bobo$20b2o2$16b2o$15b
obo$16bo!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 27th, 2023, 9:02 am
by apg
Nice! That extensible B conduit can also yield a Herschel output by using a mechanism from the elementary conduits collection:
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x = 122, y = 81, rule = LifeHistory
81.2E$82.E14.2E$82.E.EB10.B2EB8.2E$83.2EB.2B7.4B7.B2E2B$85.5B6.4B8.4B
$79.2E4.7B4.5B5.6B5.2E$79.E5.7B3.7B.8B.2B2.B2EB$80.3E2.7B.22B2.2B$82.
E35B$84.36B$85.32B2E2B$85.32B2E3B$76.2E3.2E.B.35B$76.E.E.E.E38B$78.E.
E.B.30B.7B$77.2E.2E23B3.B2.4B.6B$81.B.21B3.3B2.9B$83.20B3.B2EB3.8B$
84.13B.4B5.2E5.8B$85.11B.4B14.7B$82.18B16.5B$81.18B17.2B3D$81.17B19.B
DB$81.16B20.3D$81.8B.6B22.B$81.7B3.4B$81.7B2.4B$81.6B2.4B$80.7B.4B$
79.12B$78.12B$77.12B$76.4B.7B$75.4B.7B$74.4B2.6B$73.4B3.6B$72.4B4.7B$
71.4B4.8B$70.4B3.10B$69.4B3.13B$69.5B.14B$68.21B$61.2A4.21B$51.2A7.B
2AB3.19B.3B$49.2B2AB5.5B2.15B2.3B2.2E$49.4B6.21B3.2B3.E$49.6B4.4BD16B
4.EB3.3E$50.5B.8BD16B2.E.E5.E$48.16B2D15B2.2E$42.2A4.15B2D15B$32.2A7.
B2AB3.15BD17B$30.2B2AB6.4B2.34B$30.4B8.19B.B4.B2A9B4.2A$30.6B4.4BD16B
7.2A10B3.A$31.5B.8BD16B10.9BA.A$29.16B2D15B11.6B.B2A$23.2A4.15B2D15B
12.8B$13.2A7.B2AB3.15BD17B11.4B2A2B$11.2B2AB6.4B2.34B13.BABAB$11.4B8.
19B.B4.B2A9B4.2A10.BA$11.6B4.4BD16B7.2A10B3.A$4.2A6.5B.8BD16B10.9BA.A
$3.B2AB3.16B2D15B11.6B.B2A$3.3B4.15B2D15B12.8B$4.B5.15BD17B11.4B2A2B$
2.4B3.34B13.BABAB$2.21B.B4.B2A9B4.2A10.BA$2.4BC16B7.2A10B3.A$2.5BC16B
10.9BA.A$.6B2C15B11.6B.B2A$6B2C15B12.8B$.5BC17B11.4B2A2B$.23B13.BABAB
$5.B4.B2A9B4.2A10.BA$11.2A10B3.A$15.9BA.A$16.6B.B2A$16.8B$16.4B2A2B$
18.BABAB$19.BA!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 27th, 2023, 9:48 am
by Sokwe
Nice find, although it is a rediscovery (first posted
here). The top B-to-G is included in the elementary conduits collection, but I don't think the extension was ever included because it technically isn't a B-to-B, so there was nowhere to put it. It might be worth revisiting that decision. Unfortunately as I recall, the block directly above the initial B gets in the way of most input conduits.
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 29th, 2023, 4:12 pm
by Anivec
An R to Lom found by ljkiernan
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x = 48, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
37.3D$34.B2D2BD$34.BD2B2DB$33.2B3D3B$33.9B$33.9B$33.9B$24.B2.2B3.10B$
6.9B8.19B$5.10B7.19B$5.11B6.19B$4.14B3.21B.2A$3.33B3.2AB2.A$3.4BC26B
4.AB.A2.A.2A$3.4B2C25B5.2A.A.A.2A$3.3B2C26B6.A.2A$4.30B6.A$5.29B7.3A$
4.31B.BA5.A$4.9B2.B.B4.B2E11BA.A$2.6B2.3B10.2E11B.2A$2.2A23.8B$3.A24.
6B$3A26.3B$A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 29th, 2023, 4:24 pm
by Period1GliderGun
AlbertArmStain wrote: November 29th, 2023, 4:12 pm
An R to Lom found by ljkiernan
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x = 48, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
37.3D$34.B2D2BD$34.BD2B2DB$33.2B3D3B$33.9B$33.9B$33.9B$24.B2.2B3.10B$
6.9B8.19B$5.10B7.19B$5.11B6.19B$4.14B3.21B.2A$3.33B3.2AB2.A$3.4BC26B
4.AB.A2.A.2A$3.4B2C25B5.2A.A.A.2A$3.3B2C26B6.A.2A$4.30B6.A$5.29B7.3A$
4.31B.BA5.A$4.9B2.B.B4.B2E11BA.A$2.6B2.3B10.2E11B.2A$2.2A23.8B$3.A24.
6B$3A26.3B$A!
related B-to-LoM that releases a backward glider:
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x = 32, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o$27b2o$23b2o3bo$2bo19bo2bo2bob2o$3bo19b2obobob2o$3b2o19bob2o$2b2o
20bo$2bo22b3o$21bo5bo$7b2o11bobo$7b2o12b2o!
The clearance is not exactly stellar, however.
EDIT: No glider, but slightly better input clearance:
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x = 32, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o3$27b2o$23b2o3bo$2bo19bo2bo2bob2o$3bo19b2obobob2o$3b2o19bob2o$2b
2o20bo$2bo22b3o$21bo5bo$7b2o11bobo$7b2o12b2o!
EDIT2: Removing the catalyst gives a spartan B-blinker; maybe something else could be made:
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x = 23, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o5$2bo$3bo$3b2o$2b2o$2bo$21bo$7b2o11bobo$7b2o12b2o!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 29th, 2023, 6:33 pm
by Anivec
G-to-pi found by me, repeat time is 90 ticks:
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x = 30, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
13.2A$13.A.A$16.A2.2A$11.4A.A3.A$10.A2.A.A.3A$10.2A2.BA.A$14.BABAB3A$
14.2B2A.A2.A$13.6B2.A.A$12.4B6.A.A.2A$11.6B7.A.A$11.6B6.2A.A$5.2B3.8B
4.3B.A.2A$3.4B2.11B2.B4A2.A$.21B.AB2.2A$3D21B3A$D23B2.A$3D21B2.A.A$2.
21B4.2A$4.19B$4.19B$5.18B$5.18B$6.16B$7.4B.9B$6.4B.9B$5.B2A2B.8B$6.2A
2.9B$11.7B$10.2B2E4B$10.BE2BE3B$10.2B2E4B.B$11.11B$12.12B4.B$.C9.15B.
B2A$2BC8.17B2A$3CB6.17B.B$.4B5.15B$2.4B3.10B2.4B$3.4B2.10B3.B$4.4B.10B
$3.17B$2.19B$.20B$22B$.22B$.22B$3.20B2.2A$4.17B.BA2.A$5.18B3A$8.15B$9.
4B2E5B2.B2A.A.2A$7.5B.2E.4B4.A.2A.A$7.2A8.2B5.A$8.A7.2A2B.2A.A$5.3A7.
AB.A2B.A.2A$5.A8.A.2AB2.A$14.A5.A$15.6A.A$17.A3.A.A$20.A2.A$21.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 29th, 2023, 7:24 pm
by confocaloid
AlbertArmStain wrote: November 29th, 2023, 6:33 pm
G-to-pi found by me, repeat time is 90 ticks:
Code: Select all
x = 30, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
13.2A$13.A.A$16.A2.2A$11.4A.A3.A$10.A2.A.A.3A$10.2A2.BA.A$14.BABAB3A$
14.2B2A.A2.A$13.6B2.A.A$12.4B6.A.A.2A$11.6B7.A.A$11.6B6.2A.A$5.2B3.8B
4.3B.A.2A$3.4B2.11B2.B4A2.A$.21B.AB2.2A$3D21B3A$D23B2.A$3D21B2.A.A$2.
21B4.2A$4.19B$4.19B$5.18B$5.18B$6.16B$7.4B.9B$6.4B.9B$5.B2A2B.8B$6.2A
2.9B$11.7B$10.2B2E4B$10.BE2BE3B$10.2B2E4B.B$11.11B$12.12B4.B$.C9.15B.
B2A$2BC8.17B2A$3CB6.17B.B$.4B5.15B$2.4B3.10B2.4B$3.4B2.10B3.B$4.4B.10B
$3.17B$2.19B$.20B$22B$.22B$.22B$3.20B2.2A$4.17B.BA2.A$5.18B3A$8.15B$9.
4B2E5B2.B2A.A.2A$7.5B.2E.4B4.A.2A.A$7.2A8.2B5.A$8.A7.2A2B.2A.A$5.3A7.
AB.A2B.A.2A$5.A8.A.2AB2.A$14.A5.A$15.6A.A$17.A3.A.A$20.A2.A$21.2A!
Connections (G --> H + "half-duplex" 180-degree G):
Code: Select all
x = 174, y = 70, rule = LifeHistory
4B38.4B43.4B$.4B38.4B43.4B$2.4B38.4B43.4B$3.4B38.4B43.4B$4.4B38.4B43.
4B$5.4B38.4B43.4B$6.4B38.4B43.4B$7.4B38.4B43.4B$8.4B38.4B43.4B$9.4B
38.4B43.4B$10.5BC36.4B43.5BC61.2B$11.2BCBCB36.4B43.2BCBCB59.5B$12.2B
2C2B5.2A22.6B.4B43.2B2C2B5.2A50.7B$13.6B3.B2A2B18.20B2.B34.6B3.B2A2B
47.8B$14.6B3.4B16.5B2A11BD7B34.6B3.4B47.9B$15.6B3.4B11.A2.6BABA8B3D7B
35.6B3.4B11.A10.2A22.10B$16.6B.6B8.3A2.7B2A8BDBD9B34.6B.6B8.3A8.2B2A
2B21.8BA$17.15B4.A6.16BD11B35.15B4.A10.7B3.B16.8BABA$18.15B.B.2A6.10B
2.14BAB35.15B.B.2A9.8B.5B11.10BABA$19.19B8.8B5.10BABA36.19B8.17B2.2B
2.14BAB$20.16B10.8B7.8BABA37.16B10.26BD11B$21.15B4.B5.9B7.8BA39.15B4.
B5.26BDBD9B$20.16B2.4B5.8B6.10B38.16B2.4B5.14B2A9B3D7B$7.2A9.26B2.8B
7.9B26.2A9.26B2.15B2A11BD7B$6.A2.A2.2A4.36B7.8B26.A2.A2.2A4.39B.20B2.
B$7.2A2.A.A4.37B.2A4.7B27.2A2.A.A4.37B4.3B.3B.4B$9.2A.B6.36BA.A5.5B
30.2A.B6.36B12.3B$9.A2.2B.39B.BA7.2B32.A2.2B.40B10.4B$6.2A.A.42B42.2A
.A.44B2.B7.2A$6.A2.A.2A39B43.A2.A.2A42B.B2A7.A$8.2A.2A12BD24B47.2A.2A
12BD31B2A4.3A$12.2B.9B3D22B52.2B.9B3D31B5.A$15.8B5D15B.B.5B53.8B5D15B
.B.B3.5B$15.7B2D3B2D13B7.2A.A51.7B2D3B2D13B8.2B$15.20B.4B9.2AB3A49.
20B.4B$16.19B2.4B9.B4.A49.19B2.4B$17.16B5.4B7.2A.3A51.16B5.4B$18.11B.
B8.4B5.A2.2A54.11B.B8.4B$18.14B8.4B4.2A57.14B8.4B$18.14B9.4B62.14B9.
4B$18.6B3D6B9.4B7.B53.6B3D6B9.4B7.B$18.6BDBD6BA.2A6.4B5.4B51.6BDBD6BA
.2A6.4B5.4B$16.2A6BDBD5B.2A.A7.4B3.5B49.2A6BDBD5B.2A.A7.4B3.5B$15.A.A
12B15.4B.7B47.A.A12B15.4B.7B$15.A4.10B16.12B46.A4.10B16.12B$14.2A5.
11B3.B11.12B5.2A37.2A5.11B3.B11.12B5.2A$21.12B.B2A11.11B5.A45.12B.B2A
11.11B5.A$23.12B2A12.10B2.BA.A47.12B2A12.10B2.BA.A$23.13B14.10B.B2A
48.13B14.10B.B2A$22.14B11.15B49.14B11.15B$13.2A6.13B2.B.3B4.17B40.2A
6.13B2.B.3B4.17B$12.A.A4.14B.5BA2B.19B39.A.A4.14B.5BA2B.19B$12.A5.20B
ABA20B40.A5.20BABA20B$9.2A.2A3.21BABA19B2A36.2A.2A3.21BABA19B2A$9.A2.
A.25BA20B2A3.2A31.A2.A.25BA20B2A3.2A$10.A2.3A45B3.A2.A31.A2.3A45B3.A
2.A$11.2A2.BAB.43B.ABA.A32.2A2.BAB.43B.ABA.A$13.4AB3.42BA.A.2A33.4AB
3.42BA.A.2A$13.A.B.B4.15B4.23BAB.A34.A.B.B4.15B4.23BAB.A$11.A.A.2A5.
13B5.7B3.12B.2B2.A32.A.A.2A5.13B5.7B3.12B.2B2.A$11.2A2.A7.11B7.6B4.9B
4.B.2A.A30.2A2.A7.11B7.6B4.9B4.B.2A.A$15.A.A5.10B8.7B5.4B.2B3.A.A2.A.
A33.A.A5.10B8.7B5.4B.2B3.A.A2.A.A$16.A.A2.2B.8B10.7B5.7B2.2A2.A2.A34.
A.A2.2B.8B10.7B5.7B2.2A2.A2.A$17.A2.AB2A3B15.6B9.2A.A7.2A36.A2.AB2A3B
15.6B9.2A.A7.2A$18.3ABABA18.5B10.A.5A42.3ABABA18.5B10.A.5A$22.A.A18.
3B10.A.A5.A46.A.A18.3B10.A.A5.A$18.5A.3A17.2B10.2A2.2A45.5A.3A17.2B
10.2A2.2A$18.A4.A3.A15.2B16.A45.A4.A3.A15.2B16.A$21.A.A2.2A14.B2AB14.
A49.A.A2.2A14.B2AB14.A$21.2A20.2A15.2A48.2A20.2A15.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: November 30th, 2023, 9:39 am
by Jormungant
G4-to-G:
Code: Select all
x = 143, y = 141, rule = LifeHistory
5$9.C$7.C.C$8.2C61$114.2A$114.A.A$117.A2.2A$112.4A.A3.A$111.A2.A.A.3A
$111.2A2.BA.A$115.BABAB3A$98.4B13.2B2A.A2.A$97.6B11.6B2.A.A$97.8B8.4B
6.A.A.2A$98.7B7.6B7.A.A$91.2A4.9B6.6B6.2A.A$92.A5.10B3.8B4.3B.A.2A$
92.A.AB2.10B2.11B2.B4A2.A$93.2AB.26B.AB2.2A$95.6B3D21B3A$95.6BD23B2.A
$95.6B3D21B2.A.A$95.29B4.2A$93.B3.5B.21B$92.B5.4B3.19B$92.2B.B.6B2.
19B$92.3B2.B.5B.19B$91.5B3.4B2.18B$91.5B3.B4.5B4.9B$92.6B.B4.2B6.9B$
91.8B4.3B6.8B$90.4B.4B3.3B6.9B$88.5B.7B11.7B$88.5B.5B12.2B2C4B$88.2B.
3B3.B13.BC2BC3B$111.2B2C4B.B$112.11B$113.12B4.B$102.C9.15B.B2A$101.B.
C8.17B2A$101.3CB6.17B.B$102.4B5.15B$103.4B3.10B2.4B$104.4B2.10B3.B$
105.4B.10B$104.17B$103.19B$102.20B$101.22B$102.22B$102.22B$104.20B2.
2A$105.17B.BA2.A$106.18B3A$109.15B$110.4B2C5B2.B2A.A.2A$108.5B.2C.4B
4.A.2A.A$108.2A8.2B5.A$109.A7.2A2B.2A.A$106.3A7.AB.A2B.A.2A$106.A8.A.
2AB2.A$115.A5.A$116.6A.A$118.A3.A.A$121.A2.A$122.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 11:56 am
by Anivec
H-to-Pi found by ljkiernan:
Code: Select all
x = 27, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory
$6.2A$6.A.A2.2A$3.A4.A3.A7.2A$3.5A.3A9.A$7.A.A11.A.2A$3.3ABABA3.B5.B
2A.A2.A$2.A2.AB2A2B.4B.3B5.2A$2.2A2.2B.11B3A$9.11BAB.A$9.11B.2AB$7.
16B$5.8BDBD5B$5.2BC5BDBD5B$4.3BCBC3B3D4B$5.2B3C4B2.B$4.5BC4B$4.9B$2.
4B$2.2A$3.A$3A$A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 4th, 2023, 10:31 am
by C28
glider reflector
Code: Select all
x = 38, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
25bo$23b3o$22bo$22b2o2$33b2o$33bo$31bobo$31b2o9$36bo$35bobo$36bo7$28b
2o$28b2o3$bo$2bo15b2o$3o14bo2bo$18b2o3$34b2o$34b2o10$34bo$32b3o$31bo$
29bo2bo$29b4o2$19b2o8b2o$19b2o9bo$13b2o15bob2o$14bo7b2o3b2obo2bo$11b3o
7bo2bo3bob2o$11bo8bob2o3bo$20bo5bo$21b6obo$23bo3bobo$26bo2bo$27b2o!
womp womp
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 4th, 2023, 10:54 am
by dvgrn
C28 wrote: December 4th, 2023, 10:31 am
glider reflector [based on the "G-to-X" beehive factory]...
Nice one! -- another ghive-based 90-degree reflector that doesn't cross paths with the input. It's even a kind of inside-edge edge shooter. There's a huge spark that spills over the edge, but no actual catalysts.
The spark knocks down the repeat time from 90 ticks to 141 ticks. Might there be some interesting uses for that big spark, way out there in the open? And/or can the spark be suppressed by a catalyst to improve the repeat time without losing the transparent output lane? So far I've only found that it can shift a block by (1,1), but that seems ... questionably useful.
confocaloid has added this to the
G-to-X (November 2023) page already -- there's getting to be quite a collection there.
EDIT: Yikes, was not expecting an odd-period-input-stream blinker keeper. Probably not useful, but it does knock the repeat time down to 90 successfully:
Code: Select all
x = 56, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
43bo$41b3o$40bo$40b2o2$51b2o$51bo$49bobo$49b2o2$19b2o8bo$19b2o8bo$29b
o$obo$b2o$bo2$54bo$53bobo$54bo7$46b2o$46b2o4$36b2o$35bo2bo$36b2o2$24b
o$25bo26b2o$23b3o26b2o10$52bo$50b3o$49bo$47bo2bo$47b4o2$37b2o8b2o$37b
2o9bo$31b2o15bob2o$32bo7b2o3b2obo2bo$29b3o7bo2bo3bob2o$29bo8bob2o3bo$
38bo5bo$39b6obo$41bo3bobo$44bo2bo$45b2o!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 4th, 2023, 11:00 am
by C28
dvgrn wrote: December 4th, 2023, 10:54 am
C28 wrote: December 4th, 2023, 10:31 am
glider reflector [based on the "G-to-X" beehive factory]...
The spark knocks down the repeat time from 90 ticks to 141 ticks. Might there be some interesting uses for that big spark, way out there in the open? And/or can the spark be suppressed by a catalyst to improve the repeat time without losing the transparent output lane?
this might help with the repeat time problem without sacrificing anything too useful
Code: Select all
x = 41, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
28bo$26b3o$7b2o16bo$8bo16b2o$7bo$2o5b2o27b2o$bo34bo$bobo30bobo$2b2o30b
2o9$39bo$38bobo$39bo7$31b2o$31b2o3$4bo$5bo15b2o$3b3o14bo2bo$21b2o3$37b
2o$37b2o6$23bo$22b3o$21b5o$20bo5bo$19b2o5b2o9bo$18b2o7b2o6b3o$19bobo3b
obo6bo$20b2o3b2o5bo2bo$32b4o2$32b2o$33bo$16b2o15bob2o$17bo7b2o3b2obo2b
o$14b3o7bo2bo3bob2o$14bo8bob2o3bo$23bo5bo$24b6obo$26bo3bobo$29bo2bo$30b2o!
edit: a wee bit smaller
Code: Select all
x = 41, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
28bo$26b3o$25bo$25b2o$8b2o$2o6b2o26b2o$bo34bo$bobo30bobo$2b2o30b2o9$39b
o$38bobo$39bo7$31b2o$31b2o3$4bo$5bo15b2o$3b3o14bo2bo$21b2o3$37b2o$37b
2o6$23bo$22b3o$21b5o$20bo5bo$19b2o5b2o9bo$18b2o7b2o6b3o$19bobo3bobo6b
o$20b2o3b2o5bo2bo$32b4o2$32b2o$33bo$16b2o15bob2o$17bo7b2o3b2obo2bo$14b
3o7bo2bo3bob2o$14bo8bob2o3bo$23bo5bo$24b6obo$26bo3bobo$29bo2bo$30b2o!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 7th, 2023, 3:00 am
by yoleo
RNW-1T15
Code: Select all
x = 12, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
6.A$4.3A$3.A$3.2A4$.C$.2C$2C4$6.2A.2A$7.A.A$5.A.A.A.A$3.3A2.A.2A$2.A
3.A.A$2.2A2.A.A$7.A!
RR62P--pretty good clearance for an X-to-Pi conduit
Code: Select all
x = 26, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
18.A.A$13.2A2.A.2A2.A$.4B8.A3.A3.3A$5B3.2A4.3A.2A$6B.B2AB5.A.A.2A$6B.
4B5.2BA.A.A$5B3.2B2.4B.BA2B.A$2BC14B2A2B2A.2A$2B2C13B5.A.A$B2C14B3.A.
A2.A$16B4.2A2.2A$13B$.12B$11B$.10B$2.9B$3.9B$3.9B.BA$3.10BA.A$2.9B.2B
A$3.5B5.B$3.5B$3.BDBD$4.DBD$4.3D!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 7th, 2023, 3:21 am
by confocaloid
yoleo wrote: December 7th, 2023, 3:00 am
RR62P--pretty good clearance for an X-to-Pi conduit
Code: Select all
x = 26, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
18.A.A$13.2A2.A.2A2.A$.4B8.A3.A3.3A$5B3.2A4.3A.2A$6B.B2AB5.A.A.2A$6B.
4B5.2BA.A.A$5B3.2B2.4B.BA2B.A$2BC14B2A2B2A.2A$2B2C13B5.A.A$B2C14B3.A.
A2.A$16B4.2A2.2A$13B$.12B$11B$.10B$2.9B$3.9B$3.9B.BA$3.10BA.A$2.9B.2B
A$3.5B5.B$3.5B$3.BDBD$4.DBD$4.3D!
Here is a failed connection (the block interferes with the HRx65R stage). Is it possible to get the R to that location in another way?
Code: Select all
x = 148, y = 60, rule = LifeHistory
30.A.2A86.A.2A$30.2A.A86.2A.A$24.2A88.2A$25.A2.5A82.A2.5A$25.A.A2.A2.
A81.A.A2.A2.A$23.2A2.2A2B.2A79.2A2.2A2B.2A$24.A.A2.2B83.A.A2.2B$23.A
2.5A82.A2.5A$24.2A2.2BA83.2A2.2BA$26.2AB.3B83.2AB.3B$26.A2.5B7.A74.A
2.5B7.A$24.A.A2.5B6.A.A71.A.A2.5B6.A.A$24.2A3.5B6.BA2B70.2A3.5B6.BA2B
$29.7B5.2B76.7B5.2B$30.6B3.3B4.2A72.6B3.3B4.2A$15.2A10.2B.13B.2B2AB7.
2A47.2A10.2B.13B.2B2AB7.2A$B15.A6.B2.2D15B.4B8.A33.B15.A6.B2.2C15B.4B
8.A$2B14.A.AB2.4B2D15B.6B3.BA.A33.2B14.A.AB2.4B2C15B.6B3.BA.A$3B14.2A
B2.30B.B2A34.3B14.2AB2.30B.B2A$4B15.26B3D6B36.4B15.26B3D6B$.10B8.B2A
25BD6B37.10B8.B2A25BD6B$2.5BC4B7.A2BA22B3D6B38.5BD4B7.A2BA22B3D6B$3.
2B3C4B2.B.4BABA8BD20B41.2B3D4B2.B.4BABA8BC20B$2.3BCBC4B.8BA8B3D6B3.
10B40.3BDBD4B.8BA8B3C6B3.10B$3.2BC26BD5B3.11B41.2BD26BC5B3.11B$3.32B.
B3.11B42.32B.B3.11B$5.21B14.11B3.2A39.21B14.11B3.2A$7.19B14.11B2.A.A
41.19B14.11B2.A.A$8.16B15.12B2.A44.16B15.12B2.A$8.17B14.13B2A44.17B
14.13B2A$6.8B3.9B14.11B45.8B3.9B14.11B$6.2A3.B3.10B2C15.2B.5B2.2A42.
2A3.B3.10B2C15.2B.5B2.2A$7.A7.2A3.5BCBC9.2A6.6B2.A43.A7.2A3.5BCBC9.2A
6.6B2.A$4.3A9.A3.7BC8.B2A2B3.7B2.A.A38.3A9.A3.7BC8.B2A2B3.7B2.A.A$4.A
8.3A4.B2CB.2B2C8.4B.9B3.2A38.A8.3A4.B2CB.2B2C8.4B.9B3.2A$13.A7.2C3.4B
5.15B53.A7.2C3.4B5.15B$27.4B4.16B66.4B4.16B$28.4B3.16B67.4B3.16B$34.
17B73.17B$33.18B72.18B$32.20B70.20B$32.19B71.19B$32.19B71.19B$33.17B
73.17B$32.17B73.17B$32.14B76.14B$32.13B77.13B$33.17B73.17B$31.20B70.
20B$31.17B3D2B68.17B3D2B$31.19B2DB68.19B2DB$31.18B2D3B67.18B2D3B$31.
23B67.23B$32.22B68.22B$33.20B70.20B$34.16B.2B71.16B.2B$34.15B75.15B$
35.B2.9B78.B2.9B$40.6B84.6B$41.3B87.3B!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am
by Jormungant
works for me, but the output is the issue, that tub is almost always in the way:
Code: Select all
x = 69, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
2$27.3D$27.DBD$26.BDBD$26.5B$26.5B5.B$19.15B.2BA$15.21BA.A$12.B.21B.B
A$11.2AB.20B$11.2A21B$12.2B.19B$15.19B$15.21B$14.22B$13.26B4.2A2.2A$
13.11B2D14B3.A.A2.A$14.11B2D13B5.A.A$13.12BD14B2A2B2A.2A$12.16B3.2B2.
4B.BA2B.A$12.17B.4B5.2BA.A.A$14.15B.B2AB5.A.A.2A$16.12B3.2A4.3A.2A$7.
7B.13B8.A3.A3.3A$7.19B10.2A2.A.2A2.A$5.C20B15.A.A$5.BC18B$4.2B2C17B$
3.2B2C2B2A13B2A$3.2BC3B2A13B2A$5.18B$5.10B2.5B$6.6B5.7B$7.3B8.B3.2A$
7.B14.A$6.2A15.3A$6.A18.A$7.A$6.2A!
addendum: Ah... I see that it work your example, silly me, but my input collides with your output... the search is still on guess
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 7th, 2023, 10:13 am
by dvgrn
Jormungant wrote: December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am
works for me, but the output is the issue, that tub is almost always in the way...
There's at least one rather hair-raising exception, where a conduit can be connected to the output --
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x = 38, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
10.B$9.3DB$8.2BD2B$7.B3D2B$7.6B$7.7B$7.8B$8.8B$8.9B$7.6B.4B$7.10B$8.
8B.B$8.6B2.3B$7.3B2EB3.3B$5.5B2E2B.5B9.2A$5.9B.5B9.A$2.B.9B2.6B10.A$.
2A11B.7B5.5A$.2A20B3.BA4.2A$2.22B.5B2A2.A$2.28B.A.2A$4.25B2.A$2.26B2.
2A$2.2AB2.9B3D9B$3.A4.8BDBD8B$3A3.2AB.6BDBD8B$A4.A.AB.16B$5.A5.13B.B$
4.2A7.13BA$15.10BA.A$15.9B.BA$15.9B$14.9B$13.10B$12.11B$13.12B$12.13B
$12.16B4.2A2.2A$12.B2C14B3.A.A2.A$12.2B2C13B5.A.A$12.2BC14B2A2B2A.2A$
12.5B3.2B2.4B.BA2B.A$12.6B.4B5.2BA.A.A$12.6B.B2AB5.A.A.2A$12.5B3.2A4.
3A.2A$13.4B8.A3.A3.3A$25.2A2.A.2A2.A$30.A.A!
... but then that particular input conduit doesn't fit.
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 7th, 2023, 11:04 am
by apg
dvgrn wrote: December 7th, 2023, 10:13 am
... but then that particular input conduit doesn't fit.
It can be connected to a Herschel transceiver:
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x = 92, y = 65, rule = LifeHistory
19.2A$20.A5.3B$20.A.AB.4B$21.2AB.6B$23.8B$23.9B$16.B6.9B$13.3B2A4.9B$
12.2A2B2AB3.10B.B30.B$11.ABA21B28.3DB$11.BA3B.20B25.2BD2B$2.2A7.27B
23.B3D2B$3.A5.30B22.6B$3.A.AB.31B22.7B$4.2AB.32B21.8B$6.34B22.8B$6.
34B22.9B$7.33B21.6B.4B$5.35B21.10B$3.A.2A33B22.8B.B$.3AB2AB2.30B22.6B
2.3B$A4.B5.29B21.3B2EB3.3B$.3A.2A4.6B.11B.10B19.5B2E2B.5B9.2A$3.A.A3.
2AB.4B.11B3.8B19.9B.5B9.A$3.A.A2.A.AB7.11B4.6B16.B.9B2.6B10.A$4.A3.A
10.12B4.4B16.2A11B.7B5.5A$7.2A10.13B23.2A20B3.BA4.2A$20.13B23.22B.5B
2A2.A$18.4B.4B3C4B22.28B.A.2A$18.2A4.4BC6B23.25B2.A$19.A4.2B3C2B.4B
20.26B2.2A$16.3A6.6B2.4B19.2AB2.9B3D9B$16.A8.7B2.4B19.A4.8BDBD8B$27.B
.4B2.4B6.2A7.3A3.2AB.6BDBD8B$30.4B2.4B4.B2AB6.A4.A.AB.16B$31.4B2.4B3.
3B12.A5.13B.B$32.4B2.4B3.B.B10.2A7.13BA$33.4B2.10B20.10BA.A$34.4B2.
11B18.9B.BA$35.4B2.11B17.9B$36.5B.12B14.9B$37.5B.12B12.10B$38.7B2A9B
10.11B$38.6BA2BA10B9.12B$36.9B2A12B7.13B$35.17B2A6B6.16B4.2A2.2A$36.
16B2A8B4.B2D14B3.A.A2.A$35.29B2.2B2D13B5.A.A$35.33BD14B2A2B2A.2A$37.
34B3.2B2.4B.BA2B.A$37.35B.4B5.2BA.A.A$38.B.B2.29B.B2AB5.A.A.2A$39.3B
2.27B3.2A4.3A.2A$38.B2AB2.27B8.A3.A3.3A$39.2A4.24B10.2A2.A.2A2.A$43.
2AB.B.17B18.A.A$42.A.AB2.6B.9B$42.A6.2B5.6B$41.2A11.8B$54.2A5B$54.2A
3B$56.2B$55.4B$55.B2AB$56.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 12th, 2023, 8:04 pm
by affamatodidio
W -> LWSS by ljkiernan1 on discord:
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x = 17, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
10.3D$10.D2BD$9.BD3B$9.BD3B$9.2BDBD$7.B.5B$5.10B$5.7B2C2B$4.2A4BCBC4B
$4.2A4B2C5B$5.B.10B$A6.10B$3A4.9B$3.A3.9B$2.2A4.8B$2.13B$4.10B$3.5B2A
3B$2.6BABA$2.7BAB$4.B.4B$7.2B$5.4B$5.2A$6.A$3.3A$3.A!