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It would make the carbon chain more reactive, at least once the environment becomes more oxidizing, but it would likely make the isocyanate groups more stable.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 9th, 2021, 1:17 pmWould unsaturation change it's reactiveness/energy output?
Even if they started otherwise, I think they would eventually evolve to use the unsaturated version because they environment is becoming more oxidising and I think stability is obviously a good thing. Now on to conjugation.MathAndCode wrote: March 9th, 2021, 1:52 pm It would make the carbon chain more reactive, at least once the environment becomes more oxidizing, but it would likely make the isocyanate groups more stable.
I think that unsaturated carbon chains would be more prone to oxidation, at least by dioxygen.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 10th, 2021, 10:35 amEven if they started otherwise, I think they would eventually evolve to use the unsaturated version because they environment is becoming more oxidising and I think stability is obviously a good thing. Now on to conjugation.
Wait I got mixed up somehow (I don't know), so forget the first part of the first sentence my earlier post.MathAndCode wrote: March 10th, 2021, 12:24 pm I think that unsaturated carbon chains would be more prone to oxidation, at least by dioxygen.
I think that a maximally stable compound would have the maximum conjugation possible with its level of unsaturation.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 10th, 2021, 1:57 pmWhat combination of saturation and conjugation would create the most stable compound? I think they might evolve that.
How do the two properties affect each other?MathAndCode wrote: March 12th, 2021, 10:05 am I think that a maximally stable compound would have the maximum conjugation possible with its level of unsaturation.
Conjugation requires multiple double or triple bonds, and saturation requires only single bonds.
AFAIK the more saturated they are the more energy they store so I'm taking back what I said about them evolving stable compounds. There's a trade-off between the two (stability and energy). Where might the balance be?MathAndCode wrote: March 12th, 2021, 11:09 am Conjugation requires multiple double or triple bonds, and saturation requires only single bonds.
That's because there are more hydrogen atoms. I think that unsaturated compounds release more energy per oxygen atom that reacts.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 12th, 2021, 11:44 amAFAIK the more saturated they are the more energy they store so I'm taking back what I said about them evolving stable compounds.
Really? How does that work?MathAndCode wrote: March 12th, 2021, 2:04 pm That's because there are more hydrogen atoms. I think that unsaturated compounds release more energy per oxygen atom that reacts.
Carbon prefers to form more single bonds over fewer bonds if some of them are double or triple.
So what configuration makes it have a higher energy? Sorry, I've failed to understand.MathAndCode wrote: March 12th, 2021, 2:42 pm
Carbon prefers to form more single bonds over fewer bonds if some of them are double or triple.
double and triple bonds, especially if they are not conjugatedSchiaparelliorbust wrote: March 13th, 2021, 2:48 pmSo what configuration makes it have a higher energy? Sorry, I've failed to understand.
But this decreases stability, right? Then they might put the high-energy section at the tip of the molecule and the rest will be for stability.MathAndCode wrote: March 13th, 2021, 2:51 pm double and triple bonds, especially if they are not conjugated
It needs to be somewhere accessible but not necessarily the tip.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 13th, 2021, 2:54 pmBut this decreases stability, right? Then they might put the high-energy section at the tip of the molecule and the rest will be for stability.
I can only think of branching or maybe putting them on the outside of a curve. Can you think of anything else?MathAndCode wrote: March 13th, 2021, 2:58 pm It needs to be somewhere accessible but not necessarily the tip.
I can see no reason why the functional groups couldn't be removed from the middle of the molecule.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 13th, 2021, 2:59 pmI can only think of branching or maybe putting them on the outside of a curve. Can you think of anything else?
Which functional groups?MathAndCode wrote: March 13th, 2021, 3:07 pm I can see no reason why the functional groups couldn't be removed from the middle of the molecule.
isocyanate
Don't we need that though? Or do you mean move it somewhere else?
The organisms would get energy from reacting it, so it would be destroyed.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 14th, 2021, 1:25 pmDon't we need that though? Or do you mean move it somewhere else?
I thought you meant removing it altogether. Where do you want to put the saturated bits?MathAndCode wrote: March 14th, 2021, 1:47 pm The organisms would get energy from reacting it, so it would be destroyed.
I think that the part that doesn't have isocyanate groups can be saturate without any detriments.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: March 14th, 2021, 2:10 pmI thought you meant removing it altogether. Where do you want to put the saturated bits?
Good then. Anything else we should figure out?MathAndCode wrote: March 14th, 2021, 2:13 pm I think that the part that doesn't have isocyanate groups can be saturate without any detriments.
We should figure out whether or not they can develop photosynthesis.