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I will when I want to. I'll make some today, though please don't ask me to it if I haven't been doing it for a day or something. I haven't forgotten about this.BokaBB wrote: January 25th, 2021, 7:47 am Schaparelio, please continue making letters!
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BokaBB
Okay,sorry,I felt like you forgot.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:14 amI will when I want to. I'll make some today, though please don't ask me to it if I haven't been doing it for a day or something. I haven't forgotten about this.BokaBB wrote: January 25th, 2021, 7:47 am Schaparelio, please continue making letters!
Have a good day!
BokaBB
I agree. Let's have it. I think we should have the affricates /d̠ʒ/ and /pf/.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:24 am Okay,sorry,I felt like you forgot.
A few days is enough I think.
Let's discuss phonology. I want to have glottal stop.
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BokaBB
Probably,but I think that we shouldn't have too much affricates.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:29 amI agree. Let's have it. I think we should have the affricates /d̠ʒ/ and /pf/.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:24 am Okay,sorry,I felt like you forgot.
A few days is enough I think.
Let's discuss phonology. I want to have glottal stop.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
I don't think we should have more affricates either.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:31 am Probably,but I think that we shouldn't have too much affricates.
Ok fine, I admit that I forgot about making the letters, though I probably would have remembered due to the tabs I have open for the letters. If I haven't done anything for at least three days, you can remind me.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:31 am How I can know in th future if you forgot ot not?
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BokaBB
Okay,no ploblem.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:34 amI don't think we should have more affricates either.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:31 am Probably,but I think that we shouldn't have too much affricates.Ok fine, I admit that I forgot about making the letters, though I probably would have remembered due to the tabs I have open for the letters. If I haven't done anything for at least three days, you can remind me.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:31 am How I can know in th future if you forgot ot not?
Have a good day!
BokaBB
I unfortunately don't know much about how Arabic sounds, and a big part of how a language sounds is probably due to stress, which is complicated to figure out. Though I do know a good deal of Arabic words due to there being a lot of them in Turkish. I would like to remind you that we will evolve this language to sound like Arabic, or at least have triconsonantal roots.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:39 am Okay,no ploblem.
I think the script should look like it initially was small pictures of things which had letter they represented at the beginning(as real alphabet indeed did)but got simplified over time.
Let's have some prototype roots and words just to allow making letters. I leave that to you.
We should make them follow our phonotactics later.
Please try not to make this language sound like Arabic,which sounds rather harsh and to some extent even violent or evil. Hebrew sounds better.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Yes,I know.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:45 amI unfortunately don't know much about how Arabic sounds, and a big part of how a language sounds is probably due to stress, which is complicated to figure out. Though I do know a good deal of Arabic words due to there being a lot of them in Turkish. I would like to remind you that we will evolve this language to sound like Arabic, or at least have triconsonantal roots.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:39 am Okay,no ploblem.
I think the script should look like it initially was small pictures of things which had letter they represented at the beginning(as real alphabet indeed did)but got simplified over time.
Let's have some prototype roots and words just to allow making letters. I leave that to you.
We should make them follow our phonotactics later.
Please try not to make this language sound like Arabic,which sounds rather harsh and to some extent even violent or evil. Hebrew sounds better.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Fine!
I don't think the look of the letters matters too much. I'm making them look the way they look because of the constraints of the clay medium.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 1:14 pm Fine!
What do you think about the thing I said about the letters recently?
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BokaBB
Can I see them?Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 1:16 pmI don't think the look of the letters matters too much. I'm making them look the way they look because of the constraints of the clay medium.BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 1:14 pm Fine!
What do you think about the thing I said about the letters recently?
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Done. I'll make some more right now.
Yes.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 4:42 pmDone. I'll make some more right now.
Edit: Can we discuss consonants?
What do you suggest? Let's at least have all the basic (un)voiced plosives /ptk/.
Of course. Also /ngrbfch/.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 12:48 pmWhat do you suggest? Let's at least have all the basic (un)voiced plosives /ptk/.
/b/ is just voiced /p/ (I think). You seem to really like palatals. Instead of /c/, is propose /ɲ/.
I just use common sounds.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:03 pm/b/ is just voiced /p/ (I think). You seem to really like palatals. Instead of /c/, is propose /ɲ/.
/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" soundBokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:05 pmI just use common sounds.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:03 pm/b/ is just voiced /p/ (I think). You seem to really like palatals. Instead of /c/, is propose /ɲ/.
I am not sure about that last, please tell me about some advantages of both.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:11 pm
/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" sound
Wikipedia wrote: The nasal [ɲ] is also common, occurring in around 35 percent of the world's languages
/ts/?Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:11 pm/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" soundBokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:05 pmI just use common sounds.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:03 pm
/b/ is just voiced /p/ (I think). You seem to really like palatals. Instead of /c/, is propose /ɲ/.
I am not sure about that last, please tell me about some advantages of both.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
[ŋ] appears in about 63% of languages, according to https://phoible.org/parameters. [c] only in about 13%.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:13 pmMoosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:11 pm
/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" soundWikipedia wrote: The nasal [ɲ] is also common, occurring in around 35 percent of the world's languages
There is a language without /a/?Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:15 pm[ŋ] appears in about 63% of languages, according to https://phoible.org/parameters. [c] only in about 13%.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:13 pmMoosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:11 pm
/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" soundWikipedia wrote: The nasal [ɲ] is also common, occurring in around 35 percent of the world's languages
The 50 most common sounds (ignoring tones), in order, are:
[mikjuapwntlsbŋeoghdrfɲt̠͡ʃʔɛʃɔiːaːzuːd̠͡ʒvɾt̪ətseːoːkʰpʰxĩn̪ãũɨʈʒ]
^ if that influences your decisions @BokaBB
I'm a bit surprised by this-- /ə/ isn't in the top 35 and ʈ is more common than ʒ. [c] comes in at #54. poor ʝ is #200
of course there is, there's a lot of languages and no phoneme is in all of them-- in fact, (many dialects of) english doesn't use /a/ except in the diphthong /aɪ/ not to mention many of my conlangs have no /a/BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:37 pmThere is a language without /a/?Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:15 pm[ŋ] appears in about 63% of languages, according to https://phoible.org/parameters. [c] only in about 13%.
The 50 most common sounds (ignoring tones), in order, are:
[mikjuapwntlsbŋeoghdrfɲt̠͡ʃʔɛʃɔiːaːzuːd̠͡ʒvɾt̪ətseːoːkʰpʰxĩn̪ãũɨʈʒ]
^ if that influences your decisions @BokaBB
I'm a bit surprised by this-- /ə/ isn't in the top 35 and ʈ is more common than ʒ. [c] comes in at #54. poor ʝ is #200
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Hawaiian doesn't even have /s/, so you shouldn't be that surprised.
Wikipedia wrote:The open front unrounded vowel, or low front unrounded vowel, is a type of vowel sound, used in some spoken languages.