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Re: Let's create a Semitic - like language!

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BokaBB wrote: January 25th, 2021, 7:47 am Schaparelio, please continue making letters!
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I will when I want to. I'll make some today, though please don't ask me to it if I haven't been doing it for a day or something. I haven't forgotten about this.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:14 am
BokaBB wrote: January 25th, 2021, 7:47 am Schaparelio, please continue making letters!
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I will when I want to. I'll make some today, though please don't ask me to it if I haven't been doing it for a day or something. I haven't forgotten about this.
Okay,sorry,I felt like you forgot.
A few days is enough I think.
Let's discuss phonology. I want to have glottal stop.
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BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:24 am Okay,sorry,I felt like you forgot.
A few days is enough I think.
Let's discuss phonology. I want to have glottal stop.
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I agree. Let's have it. I think we should have the affricates /d̠ʒ/ and /pf/.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:29 am
BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:24 am Okay,sorry,I felt like you forgot.
A few days is enough I think.
Let's discuss phonology. I want to have glottal stop.
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I agree. Let's have it. I think we should have the affricates /d̠ʒ/ and /pf/.
Probably,but I think that we shouldn't have too much affricates.
How I can know in th future if you forgot ot not?
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BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:31 am Probably,but I think that we shouldn't have too much affricates.
I don't think we should have more affricates either.
BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:31 am How I can know in th future if you forgot ot not?
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Ok fine, I admit that I forgot about making the letters, though I probably would have remembered due to the tabs I have open for the letters. If I haven't done anything for at least three days, you can remind me.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:34 am
BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:31 am Probably,but I think that we shouldn't have too much affricates.
I don't think we should have more affricates either.
BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:31 am How I can know in th future if you forgot ot not?
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Ok fine, I admit that I forgot about making the letters, though I probably would have remembered due to the tabs I have open for the letters. If I haven't done anything for at least three days, you can remind me.
Okay,no ploblem.
I think the script should look like it initially was small pictures of things which had letter they represented at the beginning(as real alphabet indeed did)but got simplified over time.
Let's have some prototype roots and words just to allow making letters. I leave that to you.
We should make them follow our phonotactics later.
Please try not to make this language sound like Arabic,which sounds rather harsh and to some extent even violent(sorry,Arabs here,but you probably also think so at least a bit). Hebrew sounds better.
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BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:39 am Okay,no ploblem.
I think the script should look like it initially was small pictures of things which had letter they represented at the beginning(as real alphabet indeed did)but got simplified over time.
Let's have some prototype roots and words just to allow making letters. I leave that to you.
We should make them follow our phonotactics later.
Please try not to make this language sound like Arabic,which sounds rather harsh and to some extent even violent or evil. Hebrew sounds better.
Have a good day!

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I unfortunately don't know much about how Arabic sounds, and a big part of how a language sounds is probably due to stress, which is complicated to figure out. Though I do know a good deal of Arabic words due to there being a lot of them in Turkish. I would like to remind you that we will evolve this language to sound like Arabic, or at least have triconsonantal roots.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:45 am
BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 6:39 am Okay,no ploblem.
I think the script should look like it initially was small pictures of things which had letter they represented at the beginning(as real alphabet indeed did)but got simplified over time.
Let's have some prototype roots and words just to allow making letters. I leave that to you.
We should make them follow our phonotactics later.
Please try not to make this language sound like Arabic,which sounds rather harsh and to some extent even violent or evil. Hebrew sounds better.
Have a good day!

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I unfortunately don't know much about how Arabic sounds, and a big part of how a language sounds is probably due to stress, which is complicated to figure out. Though I do know a good deal of Arabic words due to there being a lot of them in Turkish. I would like to remind you that we will evolve this language to sound like Arabic, or at least have triconsonantal roots.
Yes,I know.
There are Arabic videos on Mr. Internet to listen to.
We will have triconsonantal words for sure, about sound.... we will see.
It is not the most important part of the message,that about letters is far more.
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I made more letters.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 1:10 pm I made more letters.
Fine!
What do you think about the thing I said about the letters recently?
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BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 1:14 pm Fine!
What do you think about the thing I said about the letters recently?
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I don't think the look of the letters matters too much. I'm making them look the way they look because of the constraints of the clay medium.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 1:16 pm
BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 1:14 pm Fine!
What do you think about the thing I said about the letters recently?
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I don't think the look of the letters matters too much. I'm making them look the way they look because of the constraints of the clay medium.
Can I see them?
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BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 4:38 pm Can I see them?
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Done. I'll make some more right now.
Edit: Can we discuss consonants?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 26th, 2021, 4:42 pm
BokaBB wrote: January 26th, 2021, 4:38 pm Can I see them?
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Done. I'll make some more right now.
Edit: Can we discuss consonants?
Yes.
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BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 12:41 pm Yes.
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What do you suggest? Let's at least have all the basic (un)voiced plosives /ptk/.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 12:48 pm
BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 12:41 pm Yes.
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What do you suggest? Let's at least have all the basic (un)voiced plosives /ptk/.
Of course. Also /ngrbfch/.
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BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 12:53 pm Of course. Also /ngrbfch/.
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/b/ is just voiced /p/ (I think). You seem to really like palatals. Instead of /c/, is propose /ɲ/.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:03 pm
BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 12:53 pm Of course. Also /ngrbfch/.
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/b/ is just voiced /p/ (I think). You seem to really like palatals. Instead of /c/, is propose /ɲ/.
I just use common sounds.
I am not sure about that last, please tell me about some advantages of both.
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BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:05 pm
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:03 pm
BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 12:53 pm Of course. Also /ngrbfch/.
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/b/ is just voiced /p/ (I think). You seem to really like palatals. Instead of /c/, is propose /ɲ/.
I just use common sounds.
I am not sure about that last, please tell me about some advantages of both.
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/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" sound
κ is measurable iff there is a nontrivial elementary embedding j:V→M (M transitive) with critical point κ
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Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:11 pm
/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" sound
Wikipedia wrote: The nasal [ɲ] is also common, occurring in around 35 percent of the world's languages
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Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:11 pm
BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:05 pm
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:03 pm
/b/ is just voiced /p/ (I think). You seem to really like palatals. Instead of /c/, is propose /ɲ/.
I just use common sounds.
I am not sure about that last, please tell me about some advantages of both.
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/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" sound
/ts/?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:13 pm
Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:11 pm
/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" sound
Wikipedia wrote: The nasal [ɲ] is also common, occurring in around 35 percent of the world's languages
[ŋ] appears in about 63% of languages, according to https://phoible.org/parameters. [c] only in about 13%.

The 50 most common sounds (ignoring tones), in order, are:
[mikjuapwntlsbŋeoghdrfɲt̠͡ʃʔɛʃɔiːaːzuːd̠͡ʒvɾt̪ətseːoːkʰpʰxĩn̪ãũɨʈʒ]

^ if that influences your decisions @BokaBB

I'm a bit surprised by this-- /ə/ isn't in the top 35 and ʈ is more common than ʒ. [c] comes in at #54. poor ʝ is #200
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Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:15 pm
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:13 pm
Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:11 pm
/ŋ/ is more common than /c/ (or /ɲ/); /c/ isn't really a "common" sound
Wikipedia wrote: The nasal [ɲ] is also common, occurring in around 35 percent of the world's languages
[ŋ] appears in about 63% of languages, according to https://phoible.org/parameters. [c] only in about 13%.

The 50 most common sounds (ignoring tones), in order, are:
[mikjuapwntlsbŋeoghdrfɲt̠͡ʃʔɛʃɔiːaːzuːd̠͡ʒvɾt̪ətseːoːkʰpʰxĩn̪ãũɨʈʒ]

^ if that influences your decisions @BokaBB

I'm a bit surprised by this-- /ə/ isn't in the top 35 and ʈ is more common than ʒ. [c] comes in at #54. poor ʝ is #200
There is a language without /a/?
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BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:37 pm
Moosey wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:15 pm
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:13 pm
[ŋ] appears in about 63% of languages, according to https://phoible.org/parameters. [c] only in about 13%.

The 50 most common sounds (ignoring tones), in order, are:
[mikjuapwntlsbŋeoghdrfɲt̠͡ʃʔɛʃɔiːaːzuːd̠͡ʒvɾt̪ətseːoːkʰpʰxĩn̪ãũɨʈʒ]

^ if that influences your decisions @BokaBB

I'm a bit surprised by this-- /ə/ isn't in the top 35 and ʈ is more common than ʒ. [c] comes in at #54. poor ʝ is #200
There is a language without /a/?
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of course there is, there's a lot of languages and no phoneme is in all of them-- in fact, (many dialects of) english doesn't use /a/ except in the diphthong /aɪ/ not to mention many of my conlangs have no /a/
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BokaBB wrote: January 29th, 2021, 1:37 pm There is a language without /a/?
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Hawaiian doesn't even have /s/, so you shouldn't be that surprised.
Wikipedia wrote:The open front unrounded vowel, or low front unrounded vowel, is a type of vowel sound, used in some spoken languages.
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