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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: May 19th, 2023, 11:39 am
by Period1GliderGun
Haycat2009 wrote: May 18th, 2023, 11:38 pm
I have been trying to figure out this for a while but why are almost all B34 rules explosive?
Mainly it's rules in the B34/S23 and B34/S34 rulespace that explode. Rules such as B34/S15 do not explode.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: May 26th, 2023, 9:37 pm
by LaundryPizza03
Period1GliderGun wrote: May 19th, 2023, 11:39 am
Haycat2009 wrote: May 18th, 2023, 11:38 pm
I have been trying to figure out this for a while but why are almost all B34 rules explosive?
Mainly it's rules in the B34/S23 and B34/S34 rulespace that explode. Rules such as B34/S15 do not explode.
Because those birth transitions are exceptionally powerful. B3 allows outward expansion, and B4 additionally makes it even easier for cells to be born around the edges of a finite pattern.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: May 28th, 2023, 11:50 pm
by Haycat2009
LaundryPizza03 wrote: May 26th, 2023, 9:37 pm
Period1GliderGun wrote: May 19th, 2023, 11:39 am
Haycat2009 wrote: May 18th, 2023, 11:38 pm
I have been trying to figure out this for a while but why are almost all B34 rules explosive?
Mainly it's rules in the B34/S23 and B34/S34 rulespace that explode. Rules such as B34/S15 do not explode.
Because those birth transitions are exceptionally powerful. B3 allows outward expansion, and B4 additionally makes it even easier for cells to be born around the edges of a finite pattern.
Thanks! A summary of the transitions that make B34 rules explosive:
B4a, B4w and B4n makes it even easier for cells to be born around the edges of a finite pattern.
B4k promotes chaotic growth
B4y, B4z, B4r and B4q allows long-lasting regions of chaotic activity (In order of effect strength)
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: May 29th, 2023, 6:05 am
by Naszvadi
Is Langton's Ant
Turing-complete?
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: May 29th, 2023, 10:44 am
by EvinZL
Under what seems to be the standard-definition of turing-completeness here,
Langton's ant is turing complete.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 1st, 2023, 1:37 am
by unname551
Life, but this birth transition is disabled:
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 1st, 2023, 8:54 am
by hotdogPi
unname551 wrote: July 1st, 2023, 1:37 am
Life, but this birth transition is disabled:
thread:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5598&p=145110
rule:
Code: Select all
x = 4, y = 3, rule = MAPABYXfhZofugWaH7oaIDogBZofuhogOiAaIDogIAAgAAWaH7oaIDogGiA6ICAAIAAaIDogIAAgACAAIAAAAAAAA
3o$o2bo$2b2o!
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 1st, 2023, 12:09 pm
by unname551
hotdogPi wrote: July 1st, 2023, 8:54 am
unname551 wrote: July 1st, 2023, 1:37 am
Life, but this birth transition is disabled:
thread:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5598&p=145110
rule:
Code: Select all
x = 4, y = 3, rule = MAPABYXfhZofugWaH7oaIDogBZofuhogOiAaIDogIAAgAAWaH7oaIDogGiA6ICAAIAAaIDogIAAgACAAIAAAAAAAA
3o$o2bo$2b2o!
It should be flipped upside down.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 8th, 2023, 5:05 am
by unname551
Find MAP version of B2/S/NW111000111.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 8th, 2023, 5:15 am
by FWKnightship
unname551 wrote: July 8th, 2023, 5:05 am
Find MAP version of B2/S/NW111000111.
Code: Select all
x = 3, y = 1, rule = MAPFhYAABYWAABoaAAAaGgAAGhoAABoaAAAgIAAAICAAABoaAAAaGgAAICAAACAgAAAgIAAAICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
obo!
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 8th, 2023, 5:38 am
by unname551
Find MAP version of B135/S135/NW111000111.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 8th, 2023, 10:27 am
by FWKnightship
unname551 wrote: July 8th, 2023, 5:38 am
Find MAP version of B135/S135/NW111000111.
Code: Select all
x = 1, y = 1, rule = MAPaWlpaWlpaWmWlpaWlpaWlpaWlpaWlpaWaWlpaWlpaWmWlpaWlpaWlmlpaWlpaWlpaWlpaWlpaWmWlpaWlpaWlg
o!
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 8th, 2023, 10:48 am
by unname551
Find MAP version of B135/S0246/NW111000111
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 8th, 2023, 8:30 pm
by FWKnightship
unname551 wrote: July 8th, 2023, 10:48 am
Find MAP version of B135/S0246/NW111000111
Code: Select all
x = 1, y = 1, rule = MAPaWmWlmlplpaWlmlplpZpaZaWaWmWlmlpaWmWlmlplpaWlmlplpZpaWlplpZpaZaWaWmWlmlplpaWlmlplpZpaQ
o!
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 15th, 2023, 9:39 pm
by H. H. P. M. P. Cole
This is my first post here. Thank you very much (to the moderators) for allowing me to join.
My question: Is there a rule (can be outer-totalistic, isotropic, or LtL (Larger-than-Life)) that you have encountered with as many 4-cell stable objects (still-lifes or oscillators) as possible? Let's start from 39.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 15th, 2023, 10:18 pm
by GUYTU6J
H. H. P. M. P. Cole wrote: July 15th, 2023, 9:39 pm
This is my first post here. Thank you very much (to the moderators) for allowing me to join.
My question: Is there a rule (can be outer-totalistic, isotropic, or LtL (Larger-than-Life)) that you have encountered with as many 4-cell stable objects (still-lifes or oscillators) as possible? Let's start from 39.
Welcome to the forums!
There are range-1 isotropic rules known to have a family of
3-cell oscillators or
3-cell spaceships, adjustable
ad infinitum.
A very simple rule with just two isotropic transitions have another infinite class of 4-cell oscillators based on bounded XOR replicators:
Code: Select all
x = 51, y = 14, rule = B2a/S0
obo$2bo2bo2$o2bo$3bo4bo2$o4bo$5bo8bo2$o8bo$9bo16bo2$o16bo$17bo32bo!
If you have an explicit example rule that backs up the number 39, you may just as well post it directly — no need to ask this kind of question beforehand
EDIT: or did you get it from
this post, which suggests that there are this many patterns with
MCPS = 4?
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 16th, 2023, 2:26 am
by unname4798
Find INT version of
Edit: No one?
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 18th, 2023, 12:17 am
by H. H. P. M. P. Cole
GUYTU6J wrote: July 15th, 2023, 10:18 pm
H. H. P. M. P. Cole wrote: July 15th, 2023, 9:39 pm
This is my first post here. Thank you very much (to the moderators) for allowing me to join.
My question: Is there a rule (can be outer-totalistic, isotropic, or LtL (Larger-than-Life)) that you have encountered with as many 4-cell stable objects (still-lifes or oscillators) as possible? Let's start from 39.
Welcome to the forums!
There are range-1 isotropic rules known to have a family of
3-cell oscillators or
3-cell spaceships, adjustable
ad infinitum.
A very simple rule with just two isotropic transitions have another infinite class of 4-cell oscillators based on bounded XOR replicators:
Code: Select all
x = 51, y = 14, rule = B2a/S0
obo$2bo2bo2$o2bo$3bo4bo2$o4bo$5bo8bo2$o8bo$9bo16bo2$o16bo$17bo32bo!
If you have an explicit example rule that backs up the number 39, you may just as well post it directly — no need to ask this kind of question beforehand
EDIT: or did you get it from
this post, which suggests that there are this many patterns with
MCPS = 4?
Thank you for your kind reply. I am still learning how to post my questions.
Your solution is very interesting and simple. I have not thought of this method before.
The rule I was referring to is my own. Here is the rule with the 39 4-cell still-lifes and oscillators:
Code:
Select all
x = 191, y = 25, rule = R3,C2,S2,B3,N+
b2o11b2o13b2o12bobo15bobo15b2o15b2o8bobo9b2o12b2o8bobo11b2o13bobo13bo
2bo$o2bo9bo3bo9bo4bo9bo3bo13bobo14b2o16bobo7bo2bo7bo2bo11b2o8b2o13b2o
13bobo13bo2bo9$b2o11b2o13b2o12bobo15bobo15b2o15b2o8bobo9b2o12b2o8bobo
26bobo13bo2bo2$o2bo9bo3bo9bo4bo9bo3bo13bobo14b2o16bobo7bo2bo7bo2bo11b
2o8b2o28bobo13bo2bo9$b2o11b2o13b2o12bobo15bobo15b2o15b2o8bobo9b2o12b2o
8bobo42bo2bo3$o2bo9bo3bo9bo4bo9bo3bo13bobo14b2o16bobo7bo2bo7bo2bo11b2o
8b2o44bo2bo!
The range-4 version has 114, and in general the range-n version has at least n(2n^3+3n^2-2n+3)/6.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 29th, 2023, 10:04 am
by unname4798
MAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA as a ruletable (symmetries: none)
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: July 31st, 2023, 5:21 pm
by MEisSCAMMER
unname4798 wrote: July 29th, 2023, 10:04 am
MAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA as a ruletable (symmetries: none)
Python:
Code: Select all
with open("aaa.rle", "x") as aaa:
print("@RULE AAA\n\n@TABLE\nn_states:2\nneighborhood:Moore\nsymmetries:none", file=aaa)
for i in range(0,256):
bin_string = [x for x in bin(i+256)[3:]]
print("0,", end="", file=aaa)
for j in bin_string:
print(j + ",", end="", file=aaa)
print("0", file=aaa)
print("1,", end="", file=aaa)
for j in bin_string:
print(j + ",", end="", file=aaa)
print("0", file=aaa)
That should do it
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: August 1st, 2023, 1:35 am
by unname4798
MEisSCAMMER wrote: July 31st, 2023, 5:21 pm
unname4798 wrote: July 29th, 2023, 10:04 am
MAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA as a ruletable (symmetries: none)
Python:
Code: Select all
with open("aaa.rle", "x") as aaa:
print("@RULE AAA\n\n@TABLE\nn_states:2\nneighborhood:Moore\nsymmetries:none", file=aaa)
for i in range(0,256):
bin_string = [x for x in bin(i+256)[3:]]
print("0,", end="", file=aaa)
for j in bin_string:
print(j + ",", end="", file=aaa)
print("0", file=aaa)
print("1,", end="", file=aaa)
for j in bin_string:
print(j + ",", end="", file=aaa)
print("0", file=aaa)
That should do it
RULETABLE please!
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: August 1st, 2023, 3:47 am
by Anivec
Is a static tape possible in Hutton32?
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: August 1st, 2023, 4:01 am
by unname4798
AlbertArmStain wrote: August 1st, 2023, 3:47 am
Is a static tape possible in Hutton32?
Yes
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: August 1st, 2023, 4:37 am
by Anivec
unname4798 wrote: August 1st, 2023, 4:01 am
AlbertArmStain wrote: August 1st, 2023, 3:47 am
Is a static tape possible in Hutton32?
Yes
Is it readable though?
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Posted: August 1st, 2023, 6:43 am
by unname4798
AlbertArmStain wrote: August 1st, 2023, 4:37 am
unname4798 wrote: August 1st, 2023, 4:01 am
AlbertArmStain wrote: August 1st, 2023, 3:47 am
Is a static tape possible in Hutton32?
Yes
Is it readable though?
No