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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 9:13 am
by dvgrn
mniemiec wrote:Gustavo6046 wrote:Five-glider synthesis of C: ...
While adding a bit-spark is a well-known way to convert a ship into a bookend/century, there are already several known ways of creating one from only 3 gliders.
It's still a little difficult to find out what the minimum synthesis is for an active pattern, if you don't know already. I knew that five gliders was way too expensive, but how did I know that?
-- Well, first I checked Golly's Patterns/Life/Syntheses/two-glider-collisions.rle to make sure it couldn't be done with two gliders. Then I checked the LifeWiki and Mark's database under "century", but didn't see anything.
(I had the same problem with "phi spark" the other day, by the way. If no one has a publishable systematic set of stamp collections of these kinds of things, maybe it's time to put one together?)
Anyway, given that there wasn't a two-glider solution, my next idea was to look in my
slow-salvo lookup table. @Gustavo, you might find that really useful. If a pattern shows up as an output in this table, it must be possible to build it with three or four gliders.
In this case, just do a text search for "century" in that linked message, and you'll find that there's a way to hit a boat with one glider to get a century. A boat can be synthesized with two more gliders, so there's one possible three-glider recipe... or actually, a couple of infinite groups of three-glider recipes, but they're all boringly similar.
Post a question here if there's something you don't understand, but really you shouldn't have any trouble finding the right boat+glider interaction -- I think at worst there are only 37 possibilities to check.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 5:10 pm
by Gustavo6046
This is the reaction that can give us a edge in HWSS-to-G tech!
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x = 18, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
14.B$2.2C6B2.5B$C.3BC9B2CB$2.4BC7BCBC$C5BC7B2C$.6C8B$.9BDB2D$3.7B3D$
11.D!
Basic turn is done, lacks some H-to-ship and Hersrch in it.
dvgrn is the one that will do the script for Hersrch.
I run it and find a suitable conduit.
Someone else will be employed of finding a nice H-to-ship.
The earning is the new HWSS-to-G we will earn... as a team!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 5:25 pm
by gmc_nxtman
Gustavo6046 wrote:This is the reaction that can give us a edge in HWSS-to-G tech!
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x = 18, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
14.B$2.2C6B2.5B$C.3BC9B2CB$2.4BC7BCBC$C5BC7B2C$.6C8B$.9BDB2D$3.7B3D$
11.D!
No, I don't think it's very likely that it can.
The lack of an edge-shooting X-to-Ship converter is hindering enough that I would consider this insufficient for "giving us an edge in HWSS-to-G tech".
Gustavo6046 wrote:Basic turn is done, lacks some H-to-ship and Hersrch in it.
dvgrn is the one that will do the script for Hersrch.
I run it and find a suitable conduit.
Someone else will be employed of finding a nice H-to-ship.
The earning is the new HWSS-to-G we will earn... as a team!
Even if this pattern had some potential, I highly doubt that someone could convince another member of this forum to do the Hersrch search for you; I'm sure that you're capable of running the Hersrch search yourself.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 5:29 pm
by Gustavo6046
gmc_nxtman wrote:I'm sure that you're capable of running the Hersrch search yourself.
I found the Hersrch params too confusing (also, why not to use them directly in command line?), and I did not understood the arguments that defined where the Herschel would end.
So, anyway this is the circuitry almost complete:
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x = 87, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
19.2A11.A$18.B2AB9.A.A$19.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$18.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$18.5B
8.B2.A.A3.A.A$18.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A12.A.2A$18.8B4.2A.A.A3.A14.2A.A16.2A$
19.13B2.A.AB2.A32.B2A2B3.2A$17.13B5.A.A2B.A9.A2.3A17.4B2.B2AB$16.15B
5.A2B.2A9.4A2.A12.B.6B3.2B$16.15B4.3B18.A.A9.10B2.2B$15.17B.B.2B16.3A
2.A9.11B2A2B$15.29B8.A5.2A7.12B2A3B.B$14.13B2A11BD4B7.2A5.2B6.18B2A$
13.14B2A9B3D4B2.B.5B4.5B5.15B.B2A$12.2AB3.20BDBD4B.6B6.6B3.15B3.B$11.
A2.A4.19BD13B5.6B2.17B$10.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.2B.16B.B.24B$10.A7.6B14.
19BD23B$9.2A6.9B14.18BD13B.7B$16.4B4.2A15.17B2D12B2.6B$3.2A10.4B5.A
15.17B2D13B2.7B$4.A9.4B7.3A12.7B.9BD13B4.6B$2.A10.4B10.A10.2AB.3B4.
15B10.6B$2.5A5.3DB5.2A14.A.AB9.4B4.6B11.5B$7.A4.2BDB5.A15.A10.5B6.6B
10.6B$4.3AB2.3BD3B.BA.A14.2A10.2A7.9B9.6B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A28.A7.2A4.4B
8.7B$3.4A12B27.3A9.A5.4B7.2B3D2B$.2A2.BA3B2A7B27.A8.3A7.4B5.3BD4B$A2.
3AB.2B2A7B36.A10.4B4.2B3D3B$2A.A.B3.10B48.4B2.8B$3.A8.8B48.4B2.2B2A3B
$3.2A7.9B48.4B.2B2A5B$13.3B2.4B48.13B$11.5B3.4B45.16B$11.2A7.4B44.17B
$12.A8.4B43.16B$9.3A10.4B42.15B$9.A13.4B13.B28.13B$24.4B2C6B2.5B$25.B
C4BC9B2CB$26.6BC7BCBC$26.C5BC7B2C$27.6C8B$27.8BD2B2D3B$29.7B3D2B.2E$
31.6BD4B2E$32.9B.B4.2E$33.8B6.E$34.6B4.BE.E$35.8B.B2E$34.7B2E2B$35.3B
2.BE.EB$33.2EB6.2E$32.E.EB$32.E$31.2E!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 5:40 pm
by gmc_nxtman
Gustavo6046 wrote:So, anyway this is the circuitry almost complete:
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x = 87, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
19.2A11.A$18.B2AB9.A.A$19.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$18.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$18.5B
8.B2.A.A3.A.A$18.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A12.A.2A$18.8B4.2A.A.A3.A14.2A.A16.2A$
19.13B2.A.AB2.A32.B2A2B3.2A$17.13B5.A.A2B.A9.A2.3A17.4B2.B2AB$16.15B
5.A2B.2A9.4A2.A12.B.6B3.2B$16.15B4.3B18.A.A9.10B2.2B$15.17B.B.2B16.3A
2.A9.11B2A2B$15.29B8.A5.2A7.12B2A3B.B$14.13B2A11BD4B7.2A5.2B6.18B2A$
13.14B2A9B3D4B2.B.5B4.5B5.15B.B2A$12.2AB3.20BDBD4B.6B6.6B3.15B3.B$11.
A2.A4.19BD13B5.6B2.17B$10.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.2B.16B.B.24B$10.A7.6B14.
19BD23B$9.2A6.9B14.18BD13B.7B$16.4B4.2A15.17B2D12B2.6B$3.2A10.4B5.A
15.17B2D13B2.7B$4.A9.4B7.3A12.7B.9BD13B4.6B$2.A10.4B10.A10.2AB.3B4.
15B10.6B$2.5A5.3DB5.2A14.A.AB9.4B4.6B11.5B$7.A4.2BDB5.A15.A10.5B6.6B
10.6B$4.3AB2.3BD3B.BA.A14.2A10.2A7.9B9.6B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A28.A7.2A4.4B
8.7B$3.4A12B27.3A9.A5.4B7.2B3D2B$.2A2.BA3B2A7B27.A8.3A7.4B5.3BD4B$A2.
3AB.2B2A7B36.A10.4B4.2B3D3B$2A.A.B3.10B48.4B2.8B$3.A8.8B48.4B2.2B2A3B
$3.2A7.9B48.4B.2B2A5B$13.3B2.4B48.13B$11.5B3.4B45.16B$11.2A7.4B44.17B
$12.A8.4B43.16B$9.3A10.4B42.15B$9.A13.4B13.B28.13B$24.4B2C6B2.5B$25.B
C4BC9B2CB$26.6BC7BCBC$26.C5BC7B2C$27.6C8B$27.8BD2B2D3B$29.7B3D2B.2E$
31.6BD4B2E$32.9B.B4.2E$33.8B6.E$34.6B4.BE.E$35.8B.B2E$34.7B2E2B$35.3B
2.BE.EB$33.2EB6.2E$32.E.EB$32.E$31.2E!
I don't think you can accurately call that "complete", as noone has found a suitable edge-shooting ship factory yet.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 6:02 pm
by Gustavo6046
And this other reaction?
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x = 17, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
16.B$15.2B$2.2C4B6.3B$C.3BC5B2.4B$2.4BC6B2CB$C5BC5BCBC$.6C5B2C$.13B$
3.10B$8.3B$6.4B$6.EC$7.E$4.3E$4.E!
I'll be honest, I changed my reaction to this:
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x = 59, y = 57, rule = LifeHistory
17.2E$18.E14.2E$18.E.EB10.B2CB8.2E$19.ECB.2B7.4B7.B2C2B$21.5B6.4B8.4B
$15.2E4.7B4.5B5.6B5.2E$15.E5.7B3.7B.8B.2B2.B2CB$16.3E2.7B.22B2.2B$18.
E35B$20.36B$21.32B2C2B$21.32B2C3B$12.2E3.2E.B.35B$12.E.E.E.E38B$14.E.
E.B.30B.7B$13.2E.EC23B3.B2.4B.6B$17.B.21B3.3B2.9B$19.20B3.B2CB3.8B$
20.13B.4B5.2E5.8B$21.11B.4B14.7B$18.18B16.6B$17.18B17.2B3D2B$17.17B
18.2BDB$17.16B20.3D$17.8B.6B$17.7B3.4B$17.7B2.4B$17.6B2.4B$16.7B.4B$
15.12B$14.12B$14.11B$12.ECB2.7B$11.E.EB.7B$11.E4.6B2.B$10.2E4.6B.BCE$
16.8BCE$2E13.7B.2B$.E5.2B3.10B$.E.EB.14B$2.ECB.14B$4.16B$4.16B$5.16B$
6.2B2D11B$5.BD4BD8B$4.8BD5BD2B$4.2BD5BD4BDBDB$5.2B6D4B2DB$5.14B$5.8B.
4B$6.7B3.2B$4.4B.B$4.EC$5.E$2.3E$2.E!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 6:50 pm
by Gustavo6046
HWSS-to-G completed:
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x = 108, y = 131, rule = LifeHistory
28.2A$28.A.A$30.A4.2A$26.4A.2A2.A2.A$26.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$28.BABABA.A$29.
B2ABA.A$30.2B.BA$29.3B$20.2A6.4B$21.A6.B2A3B$21.A.AB3.B2A3B$22.2AB.
10B$24.13B$24.14B$24.15B$26.8B2.4B$26.6B5.4B$25.9B4.4B$24.4B4.2A5.4B$
23.4B5.A7.4B$22.4B7.3A5.4B$21.4B10.A6.4B$20.4B19.4B$19.4B21.4B$18.4B
23.4B$17.4B25.4B$16.4B27.4B$15.4B29.4B$14.4B31.4B$13.5B32.4B$12.8B6.
2A23.4B$10.11B5.A25.4B$8.13B2.BA.A26.4B$7.14B2.B2A28.4B$7.17B31.4B$8.
16B32.4B$10.14B33.4B$11.13B34.4B$11.14B34.4B$11.15B34.4B$8.17B4.2A30.
4B$8.17B3.B2AB30.4B$8.17B3.4B31.4B$6.22B.3B2.B6.2A21.4B$5.31B5.A23.4B
$4.33B.BA.A24.4B7.A$3.34B.B2A26.4B6.3A$2.2A35B29.4B8.A$.A.AB3.31B30.
4B6.A.A$.A8.28B32.4B5.A.AB$2A8.27B34.4B5.A3B$11.2B.10B3.10B35.4B6.4B$
10.2B4.11B.9B36.4B5.6B$9.B2AB3.20B38.4B4.7B$10.2A4.12B.4B42.4B2.8B.4B
.B$17.11B.4B43.17B.B2A$15.4B.4B3DB2.3B44.18B2A$15.2A4.4BD2B3.B45.16B.
2B$16.A4.2B3D2B49.16B$13.3A6.6B49.15B$13.A8.7B46.2AB.12B$22.8B44.A.AB
2.11B$23.8B43.A5.10B$23.8B42.2A5.2B2A6B$22.6B2.B2A46.3B2A6B$22.7B.BA.
A46.10B$23.6B4.A46.8B.B2A.A$23.6B4.2A44.7B3.B2AB3A$23.6B50.6B6.B4.A$
22.8B50.6B4.2E.3E$21.8B51.5B6.E.E$21.9B49.6B4.E$21.9B49.6B4.2E$20.10B
48.7B9.E$20.3B2C5B48.2B3D2B7.3E$19.4B2C5B48.4BD3B5.E$19.11B48.3B3D2B
4.BCE$14.2E.E7BD4B49.8B2.4B$14.E.2E2.4B3DB51.3B2C2B2.4B$21.2B2D2BD2.B
46.5B2C2B.4B$23.5B.BCE45.13B$22.8BCE44.16B$6.2E13.7B.2B5.E38.17B$7.E
5.2B3.10B6.3E15.E23.16B$7.E.EB.14B7.E16.3E11.2E11.15B$8.ECB.14B7.CE
14.E14.E.E11.13B$10.16B4.5B13.B2E15.E12.11B8.E$10.16B3.4B14.4B15.2E7.
15B6.3E$11.16B2.5B12.4B4.B.7B4.B4.20B3.E$12.2B2C11B2.5B11.4B.13B4.25B
3.CE$11.BC4BC16B4.26BD32B$10.8BC5BC10B2.4BD21BD31B$10.2BC5BC4BCBC9B2.
4B3D18B2D33B$11.2B6C4B2C11B.4BDBD15B2C2B2D33B$11.32BD15B2C3BD33B$11.
8B.4B2.21B2.2B3.44B$12.7B3.2B3.17B11.10B2.29B.BCE$10.4B.B11.15B16.6B
4.8B.19B.BE.E$10.EC14.15B19.3B9.23B5.E$11.E14.16B20.B11.13B.7B5.2E$8.
3E15.16B20.2E11.4B3.4B.3B.3B$8.E18.7B3.3B.BCE19.E12.4B4.B3.3B2.2B$28.
5B8.BE.E17.E14.4B6.B2CB.B2CB$28.5B2C9.E17.2E14.4B6.2E3.2E$32.C2BC2.2E
4.2E33.4B$32.CBCB3.E2.2E36.4B$33.C4B.E.E.E37.4B$35.BCE.E2.E39.4B$35.B
EB.E43.4B$33.E4.E45.4B$33.5E47.4B$86.4B$33.2E.2E49.4B$33.2E.2E50.4B$
89.4B$90.4B$91.4B$92.4B$93.4B$94.4B$95.4B$96.4B$97.4B$98.4B$99.4B$
100.4B$101.4B$102.4B$103.4B$104.4B!
Now it's time for the Optimization Game.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 10:30 pm
by dvgrn
Gustavo6046 wrote:HWSS-to-G completed...
Now it's time for the Optimization Game.
Okay, I'll make a move:
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x = 108, y = 109, rule = LifeHistory
21.2A$21.A.A$23.A4.2A$19.4A.2A2.A2.A$19.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$22.A.A.A.A$23.
2A.A.A$27.A2$13.2A$14.A7.2A$14.A.A5.2A$15.2A7$25.2A$25.A$26.3A$28.A$
28.A.2A$26.2A2.A$26.A3.A.A$24.A.A4.2A$24.2A7$29.2A$29.2A2$41.2A$41.A$
39.A.A$39.2A$2.2A$.A.A$.A$2A3$10.2A$10.2A3$15.2A$16.A$13.3A$13.A4$31.
2A$31.A.A$33.A$33.2A7$23.2A73.A$23.2A71.3A$95.A$14.2A.A77.2A$14.A.2A
2$30.2A71.2A$30.2A72.A$6.2A28.A67.A.2A$7.A26.3A59.2A4.3A2.A$7.A.A23.A
62.2A3.A3.2A$8.2A23.2A66.4A$87.2A15.A$86.A.A12.3A$69.A16.A13.A$14.2A
51.3A15.2A14.5A$12.A4.A48.A38.A$18.A5.A28.2A11.2A11.A23.A$12.A5.A4.A.
A27.2A24.3A21.2A$13.6A4.2A57.A$81.2A$96.2A$96.A$93.2A.A$10.2A80.A2.A$
11.A81.2A$8.3A67.2A$8.A33.2A34.2A$42.A.A$33.2A9.A$32.A2.A2.2A4.2A$32.
A.A4.A2.2A21.2A3.A$33.A5.A.A.A21.A3.A.A$36.2A.A2.A23.A3.A.A$36.A2.A
13.2A12.A3.A.A.2A$33.A4.A15.A10.A.4A2.A.2A$33.5A13.3A10.A.A3.A.A$51.A
12.A.A2.A2.2A.2A$33.2A.2A27.A3.2A2.A.A$33.2A.2A35.A.A10.2A$74.A11.2A!
This is a little faster, but actually has a bounding box that's 42 cells bigger. There's bound to be something even faster, and smaller too. Can you complete this version?
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x = 70, y = 84, rule = LifeHistory
26.2A$26.A$24.A.A$24.2A7$29.2A$29.2A2$41.2A$41.A$39.A.A$39.2A$2.2A$.A
.A$.A$2A3$10.2A$10.2A35.2A$48.A8.3A$48.A.A8.A$15.2A32.2A7.3A$16.A$13.
3A$13.A9$50.2A$50.2A14.2A$66.A$67.3A$69.A$23.2A8.2A$23.2A8.2A3.A21.2A
$37.A.A20.A$14.2A.A20.A.A17.A.A$14.A.2A22.A17.2A$40.2A$30.2A$30.2A$6.
2A28.A$7.A26.3A$7.A.A23.A$8.2A23.2A4$14.2D48.2A$12.D4.D46.2A$18.D5.D$
12.D5.D4.D.D$13.6D4.2D$59.2A$59.2A$63.2A$63.2A$10.2A$11.A$8.3A46.2A$
8.A33.2A13.2A$42.A.A$33.2A9.A$32.A2.A2.2A4.2A$32.A.A4.A2.2A$33.A5.A.A
.A$36.2A.A2.A$36.A2.A$33.A4.A$33.5A2$33.2A.2A$33.2A.2A!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 2:09 am
by mniemiec
dvgrn wrote:Well, first I checked Golly's Patterns/Life/Syntheses/two-glider-collisions.rle to make sure it couldn't be done with two gliders. Then I checked the LifeWiki and Mark's database under "century", but didn't see anything.
Hmm. A pattern search-by-name for "Century" should have found it under methuselahs. Regardless, looking on the Methuselahs page would find it quickly enough. It's also called a Bookend, and there are a very large number of objects that contain bookends in their structures, and/or names. Finally, a pattern search for one of the early generations should find it.
(I had the same problem with "phi spark" the other day, by the way. If no one has a publishable systematic set of stamp collections of these kinds of things, maybe it's time to put one together?)
That's a good idea. I have a specific set of syntheses for simple long-lived unstable patterns (i.e. methuselahs), but I haven't yet put together a similar set of short-lived unstable patterns. That's probably a good idea to add to my list.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 10:54 am
by Gustavo6046
My move next:
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x = 85, y = 113, rule = LifeHistory
37.2E$37.E.E$39.E4.2E$35.4E.2E2.E2.E$35.E2.C.C.E.E.2E$37.BCBCBC.E$38.
B2CBC.E$39.2B.BE$38.3B$29.2E6.4B$30.E6.B2C3B$30.E.EB3.B2C3B$31.ECB.
10B$33.13B$33.14B$33.15B$35.8B2.4B$35.6B5.4B$4B30.9B4.4B$.4B28.4B4.CE
5.4B$2.4B26.4B5.E7.4B$3.4B24.4B7.3E5.4B$4.4B22.4B10.E6.4B$5.4B20.4B
19.4B$6.4B18.4B21.4B$7.4B16.4B23.4B7.E$8.4B14.4B25.4B6.3E$9.4B12.4B
27.4B8.E$10.4B10.5B28.4B6.E.C$11.4B8.8B6.2E19.4B5.E.CB$12.4B5.11B5.E
21.4B5.E3B$13.4B2.13B2.BE.E22.4B6.4B$14.18B2.BCE24.4B5.6B$15.20B27.4B
4.7B$16.19B28.4B2.8B.4B.B$17.18B29.17B.BCE$18.17B30.18BCE$19.17B29.
16B.2B$20.17B28.16B$19.17B4.2E23.15B$19.17B3.B2CB20.ECB.12B$19.17B3.
4B19.E.EB2.11B$17.22B.3B2.B6.2E8.E5.10B$16.31B5.E8.2E5.2B2C6B$15.33B.
BE.E14.3B2C6B$14.34B.BCE16.10B$13.EC35B18.8B.B2C.E$12.E.EB3.31B17.7B
3.B2CB3E$12.E8.28B18.6B6.B4.E$11.2E8.27B20.6B4.2E.3E$22.2B.11B2.10B
20.5B4.E2.2E$21.2B4.11B.9B19.8B.E.E$20.B2CB3.20B20.8BC.E.2E.E$21.2E4.
12B.4B14.2E7.6B.2BCB.E.2E$28.16B15.E6.7B2.2B2.E$26.4B.13B15.E.EB3.7B
3.B.2E$26.EC4.11B17.ECB2.8B2.E.E2.2E$27.E4.11B19.11B2.2E2.E2.E$24.3E
6.6B.4B18.11B7.2E$24.E8.7B.4B17.11B$33.8B.4B15.11B$34.8B.4B15.7B.2B$
34.9B.4B14.11B$33.6B.4B.4B14.10B$33.7B.4B.4B13.12B$34.6B2.4B.4B13.13B
$34.6B3.4B.4B9.17B$34.6B4.4B.4B7.17B$33.8B4.4B.4B5.2B2C16B$32.8B6.4B.
4B5.B2C6B.4B3.CE$32.9B6.4B.4B3.8B4.B5.E$32.9B7.4B.4B2.6B13.3E$31.10B
4.B3.2B3.4B.7B14.E$31.3B2C5B3.ECB.3B4.4B.6B$30.4B2C5B3.EC3BC6.9B6.2E$
30.11B4.B.BC.E6.8B6.E$25.2E.E12B7.BE.E6.8B2.BE.E$25.E.2E2.8B12.E7.7B
2.BCE$32.7B2.B9.2E7.9B$34.5B.BCE17.9B$33.8BCE17.8B$17.2E13.7B.2B5.E
12.8B.2B$18.E5.2B3.10B6.3E12.13B$18.E.EB.14B7.E15.13B$19.ECB.14B7.CE
14.14B$21.16B4.5B13.14B$21.16B3.4B14.4B2.10B$22.16B2.5B12.4B2.11B.B$
23.2B2C11B2.5B11.4B.14BCE$22.BC4BC16B4.26BCE$21.8BC5BC10B2.28B$21.2BC
5BC4BCBC9B2.28B$22.2B6C4B2C11B.24B$22.48B2C$22.8B.4B2.21B2.2B2.6B2CB.
B$23.7B3.2B3.17B11.8BCE$21.4B.B11.15B15.4B.BCE$21.EC14.15B17.2B3.B$
22.E14.16B15.2B$19.3E15.16B14.B2CB$19.E18.7B3.3B.BCE13.2E$39.5B8.BE.E
$39.5B2C9.E$43.C2BC2.2E4.2E$43.CBCB3.E2.2E$44.C4B.E.E.E$46.BCE.E2.E$
46.BEB.E$44.E4.E$44.5E2$44.2E.2E$44.2E.2E!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:38 pm
by dvgrn
Gustavo6046 wrote:My move next:
Ah, the competition is getting tough now. 74x113, recovers in 773 ticks. You had 85x113 only because of some blue state-2 OFF cells that you didn't need.
Did you know that two of the eaters in that H-to-G are actually only there to suppress gliders? So we could avoid having that output glider cross the H-to-G, and also get rid of the Fx77 conduit. Unfortunately that turns out to be a little bigger and a little slower:
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x = 80, y = 113, rule = LifeHistory
26.2A$26.A.A$28.A4.2A$24.4A.2A2.A2.A$24.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$27.A.A.A.A$28.
2A.A.A$32.A2$18.2A$19.A7.2A$19.A.A5.2A$20.2A7$30.2A$30.A$31.3A$33.A7$
26.2A$26.A$24.A.A$24.2A3$70.A$68.3A$67.A$67.2A$29.2A$29.2A$75.2A$76.A
$76.A.2A$68.2A4.3A2.A$68.2A3.A3.2A$2.2A69.4A$.A.A55.2A15.A$.A56.A.A
12.3A$2A56.A13.A$56.A.A14.5A$54.3A.2A17.A$10.2A41.A21.A$10.2A40.A.A
20.2A$52.A.A$53.A$15.2A$16.A$13.3A$13.A$37.2A$37.2A2$31.2A$31.A.A$33.
A23.2A$33.2A22.A.A$59.A$50.2A7.2A$50.2A2$40.A.2A$38.3A.2A$23.2A12.A$
23.2A13.3A.2A16.2A$40.2A2.A15.A$14.2A.A25.A.A12.A.A$14.A.2A21.A.2A.A.
A11.2A$39.2A.A2.A$30.2A10.A$30.2A10.2A$6.2A28.A3.2A2.A.A$7.A26.3A2.A
2.A2.2A$7.A.A23.A6.2A$8.2A23.2A4$14.2C48.2A$12.C4.C46.2A$18.C5.C$12.C
5.C4.C.C$13.6C4.2C$59.2A$59.2A$63.2A$63.2A$10.2A$11.A$8.3A46.2A$8.A
33.2A13.2A$42.A.A$33.2A9.A$32.A2.A2.2A4.2A$32.A.A4.A2.2A$33.A5.A.A.A$
36.2A.A2.A$36.A2.A$33.A4.A$33.5A2$33.2A.2A$33.2A.2A!
It looks to me like that H-to-G converter that you chose is kind of big and slow and oversized. The elementary conduits collection has several other converters that produce a southeast glider of the right color, plus another glider for the output. Here's one:
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x = 381, y = 97, rule = LifeHistory
343.2A$343.A.A$345.A4.2A$341.4A.2A2.A2.A$341.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$344.A.A.A.
A$345.2A.A.A$349.A2$335.2A$336.A7.2A$336.A.A5.2A$337.2A7$321.2A24.2A
22.A$321.2A24.A21.3A$348.3A17.A$350.A17.2A3$376.2A$377.A$377.A.2A$
306.A62.2A4.3A2.A$369.2A3.A3.2A$374.4A$335.2A23.2A15.A$335.A.A21.A.A
12.3A$337.A21.A13.A$337.2A18.A.A14.5A$355.3A.2A17.A$354.A21.A$353.A.A
20.2A$353.A.A$354.A$316.2A$317.A$314.3A$314.A$338.2A$338.2A2$332.2A$
332.A.A$334.A23.2A$334.2A22.A.A$360.A$351.2A7.2A$351.2A2$341.A.2A$
339.3A.2A$324.2A12.A$324.2A13.3A.2A16.2A$341.2A2.A15.A$315.2A.A25.A.A
12.A.A$315.A.2A21.A.2A.A.A11.2A$340.2A.A2.A$331.2A10.A$331.2A10.2A$
307.2A28.A3.2A2.A.A$308.A26.3A2.A2.A2.2A$308.A.A23.A6.2A$309.2A23.2A
4$315.2C48.2A$313.C4.C46.2A$4.2A313.C5.C$4A.2A306.C5.C4.C.C$6A308.6C
4.2C$.4A355.2A$360.2A$364.2A$364.2A$311.2A$312.A$309.3A46.2A$309.A33.
2A13.2A$343.A.A$334.2A9.A$333.A2.A2.2A4.2A$333.A.A4.A2.2A$334.A5.A.A.
A$337.2A.A2.A$337.A2.A$334.A4.A$334.5A2$334.2A.2A$334.2A.2A!
... 75x97, recovery in 627 ticks. Your move!
(I think there are still better options... but you might have to find an H-to-G that only produces one glider, really quickly. Luckily you can get an output glider from somewhere else.)
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 3:23 pm
by Gustavo6046
I tried to take a different approach, but this is kinda bigger and slower...
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x = 573, y = 141, rule = LifeHistory
502.B$501.3B$500.4B7.2E$499.7B6.E$497.10B5.E.EB$497.10B6.E.CB.B20.E
11.2E$496.12B6.C3BCE18.E.E9.B2CB$495.15B3.3B.BCE10.E3.2E2.E.E9.3B$
495.20B3.B10.E.E2.E2.2E.2E9.B.B$496.20B10.E2.E.E3.E.E2.B8.5B$496.20B
8.3E3.E.4E2.EB2C6.6B$490.B3.22B7.E8.E3.E.E.2C4.8B$489.ECB.22B8.CE6.E
2.BE.E2.13B$489.EC25B4.5B5.E.2BC.E5.13B$490.26B3.4B7.2E.2BC.2B2.15B$
490.27B2.5B10.5B2.15B$2B2C3B485.B2.9B2C11B2.5B11.4B.17B$C3B.CB489.6BC
3B.C16B4.29B$6BC488.13BC5BC3BA6B2.4BD11B2C13B$C5BC488.6B.C5BC4BCBC2B
2A5B2.4B3D9B2C14B$.6C487.5B4.6C4B2C3B2A6B.4BDBD20B3.B2C$493.4B6.30BD
19B4.E2.E$492.4B9.9B2.21B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2E.E$491.4B14.B2.2B3.17B14.6B7.
E$490.4B23.4BA10B14.9B6.2E$489.4B23.4BABA8B15.EC4.4B$488.4B24.16B15.E
5.4B$487.4B25.16B12.3E7.4B10.2E$486.4B27.7B3.3B.BCE10.E10.4B9.E$485.
4B29.5B8.BE.E21.4B10.E$484.4B30.5B2C9.E15.2E5.4B5.5E$483.4B35.C2BC2.
2E4.2E15.E5.4B4.E$482.4B36.CBCB3.E2.2E17.E.EB.7B2.B2CE$481.4B38.C4B.E
.E.E18.ECB.7B3.2B.E$480.4B41.BCE.E2.E21.12B3CE$479.4B42.BEB.E24.7B2C
3BCB2.2E$478.4B41.E4.E25.7B2C2B.B2CE2.E$477.4B42.5E26.10B3.B.E.2E$
476.4B73.8B8.E$475.4B44.2E.2E24.9B7.2E$474.4B45.2E.2E23.4B2.3B$473.4B
73.4B3.5B$472.4B73.4B7.CE$471.4B73.4B8.E$456.E13.4B73.4B10.3E$456.3E
10.4B65.E7.4B13.E$459.E8.4B64.3E6.4B$458.EC7.4B64.E8.4B$458.5B3.4B64.
BCE6.4B$460.3B2.4B38.2E6.2E16.4B5.4B$450.2E7.9B39.E7.E16.4B5.4B$450.E
8.8B41.3E.2E.E8.E6.4B5.4B$447.2E.E.B3.10B44.E.E.E8.E.E4.4B5.4B$447.E
2.E2CB.2B2C7B45.CB9.2BCB3.4B5.4B$448.2E2.BC3B2C7B44.4B7.B.2B3.4B5.4B$
450.E3C12B43.5B5.5B3.4B5.4B$450.E.2B3.7B.BCE42.4B4.6B2.4B5.4B$451.E2C
B2.7B.BE.E39.21B3.B.4B$454.E4.4B5.E38.30B$449.5E5.4B5.2E37.30B$449.E
10.4B42.31B$451.E9.4B40.32B$450.2E10.4B38.32B$463.4B36.4B3.23B2.BCE$
464.4B34.4B6.17B.B4.BE.E$465.4B32.4B9.2B.10B11.E$466.4B30.4B13.9B12.
2E$467.4B28.4B15.11B$468.4B26.4B16.12B$469.4B24.4B17.12B7.2E$470.4B
22.4B19.11B2.2E2.E2.E$471.4B20.4B18.4B.4B3DB2.E.E2.2E$472.4B18.4B19.E
C4.4BD2B3.B.2E$473.4B16.4B21.E4.2B3D2B2.2B2.E$474.4B14.4B19.3E6.6B.2B
CB.E.2E$475.4B12.4B20.E8.8BC.E.2E.E$476.4B10.4B30.8B.E.E$477.4B8.4B
32.5B4.E2.2E$478.4B6.4B33.6B4.2E.3E$479.4B4.4B33.6B6.B4.E$480.4B2.4B
34.7B3.B2CB3E$481.8B36.8B.B2C.E$482.6B37.10B$483.4B37.3B2C6B$482.6B
30.2E5.2B2C6B$481.8B30.E5.10B$480.4B2.4B29.E.EB2.11B$479.4B4.4B29.ECB
.12B$478.4B6.4B30.15B$477.4B8.4B29.16B$476.4B10.4B28.16B.2B$475.4B12.
4B27.18BCE$474.4B14.4B25.17B.BCE$473.4B16.4B23.4B2.8B.4B.B$472.4B18.
4B21.4B4.7B$471.4B20.4B19.4B5.6B$470.4B22.4B10.E6.4B6.4B$469.4B24.4B
7.3E5.4B5.E3B$468.4B26.4B5.E7.4B5.E.CB$467.4B28.4B4.CE5.4B6.E.C$466.
4B30.9B4.4B8.E$465.4B32.6B5.4B6.3E$464.4B33.8B2.4B7.E$463.4B32.15B$
462.4B33.14B$461.4B34.13B$460.4B33.ECB.10B$459.4B33.E.EB3.B2C3B$458.
4B34.E6.B2C3B$457.4B34.2E6.4B$456.4B44.3B$455.4B46.2B.BE$454.4B46.B2C
BC.E$453.4B46.BCBCBC.E$452.4B45.E2.C.C.E.E.2E$451.4B46.4E.2E2.E2.E$
450.4B51.E4.2E$449.4B50.E.E$448.4B51.2E$447.4B$446.4B$445.4B$444.4B$
443.4B$442.4B$441.4B$440.4B$439.4B$438.4B$437.4B$436.4B$435.4B$434.4B
$433.4B$432.4B$431.4B$430.4B$429.4B$428.ABAB$428.2AB$429.A!
What about we use online Excel to record these results? The winner in the Optimization Game will be decided by a score, based on a "((XSize*YSize) / 25) - RepeatRate" formula in the own file.
I am not very good at statistics, which are the exact stats of this wrong move?
EDIT: I got the right direction now! I still don't understand how to set up the Hersrch script...
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x = 157, y = 111, rule = LifeHistory
4$122.2A$121.B2AB$122.2B$121.2B$120.4B$119.6B$119.6B$119.5B.B$114.A4.
8B6.2A$54.B58.A.A2.9B5.A2.A$53.3B56.2BAB.14BA.A.A$52.4B7.2E48.2B2.15B
2A2.2A$51.7B6.E49.18B2.A.A$49.10B5.E.EB45.19B2A2.A$49.10B6.E.CB.B42.
19B.A.A$48.12B6.C3BCE41.19BA2.2A$47.15B3.3B.BCE40.21B2A2.A$47.20B3.B
36.A5.19B4.2A$48.20B10.E28.3A3.18B$48.20B8.3E31.A2.18B$42.B3.22B7.E
33.2A3.17B.B$41.ECB.22B8.CE32.24B2A$41.EC25B4.5B34.21BA2BA$42.26B3.4B
35.23B2AB$42.27B2.5B20.B.7B3.24B.2B$44.B2.9B2D11B2.5B14.B.13B3.24B$
48.6BD4BD16B4.41B3D4B.2B$47.13BD5BC10B2.4BD38BD4B$47.6B.D5BD4BCBC9B2.
4B3D36B3D2B$46.5B4.6D4B2C11B.4BDBD15B2A23B$45.4B6.30BD15B2A23B$44.4B
9.9B2.18B.2B2.2B3.11B2.17B$43.4B14.B2.2B3.17B11.10B4.14B$42.4B23.15B
16.6B3.3B2.11B$41.4B23.15B19.3B4.2A4.4B.6B$40.4B24.16B20.B5.A3.4B.8B$
31.A7.4B25.16B20.2A.3A3.4B2.9B$29.3A6.4B27.7B3.3B.BCE19.A.A4.4B3.9B$
28.A8.4B29.5B8.BE.E18.A.A3.4B5.B2E7B$27.A.A6.D3B30.5B2C9.E19.A3.4B5.
2B2E8B$26.BA.A5.BDBD35.C2BC2.2E4.2E21.4B6.12B$25.3BA5.2B2D36.CBCB3.E
2.2E22.4B8.10B$23.4B6.4B38.C4B.E.E.E34.10B14.2B$21.6B5.4B41.BCE.E2.E
35.11B12.4B$20.7B4.4B42.BEB.E37.13B11.4B$13.B.4B.8B2.4B41.E4.E37.15B
9.6B2.B$12.2AB.17B42.5E39.15B8.2B2E2B.B2E$12.2A18B86.17B3.B.3BE2BE3B
2E$13.2B.16B43.2E.2E38.18B.7B2E2B.2B$16.16B43.2E.2E36.32B$17.15B82.4B
E28B$18.12B.B2A79.4BEBE27B$18.11B2.BA.A78.4BEBE27B$19.10B5.A79.4BE29B
$19.6B2A2B5.2A80.5B3.2B.B4.B2.13B.B$19.6B2A3B88.B7.3B6.12B.B2E$19.10B
88.3B5.B2EB6.14B2E$15.A.2AB.8B87.B2EB6.2E8.11B.2B$13.3AB2AB3.7B87.2E
17.11B$12.A4.B6.6B107.10B$13.3A.2A4.6B112.7B$15.2A2.A4.5B111.8B$18.A.
A.8B111.8B$14.A.2A.A.A8B111.8B$14.2A.A.BA2B.5B109.EB.9B$17.A2.2B2.2B
3D108.E.E11B$17.2A.B4.BDB109.2E.11B$15.2A2.A.A3.3D113.11B$14.A2.A2.2A
4.B104.2E8.11B$15.2A96.2A17.E8.11B$114.A17.E.EB5.11B$101.A11.A19.2EB.
3B.10B$101.3A9.2A20.17B$104.A9.B20.17B$91.2A10.2A9.3B19.16B$73.2A17.A
10.5B5.6B16.19B$74.A17.A.AB9.4B3.10B11.21B$61.A11.A19.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B
3.2B2.23B2E$61.3A9.2A20.7B.13B2A15BD17B.B2E$64.A9.B20.21B2A15BDBD4B.
9B3.B$51.2A10.2A9.3B19.37B3D4B2.6B$52.A10.5B5.6B16.40BD4B2.6B.2B$52.A
.AB9.4B3.10B11.46B4.7B2E$53.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.19B.B3.13B.4B10.6B.B
2E$55.7B.13B2A15BD13B7.7B.B5.3B12.6B.B$55.21B2A15BDBD4B.6B19.4B13.4B$
56.37B3D4B2.B.5B17.2E16.4B$55.40BD4B7.2A18.E14.4B.B2E$53.46B8.A16.3E
15.2E3.BE.E$51.18B.B3.13B.4B16.3A13.E18.E6.E$51.2BD13B7.7B.B4.2A2B19.
A29.3E7.2E$50.3BDBD4B.6B19.A.AB50.E$51.2B3D4B2.B.5B17.A$50.5BD4B7.2A
16.2A$49.10B8.A$48.4B16.3A$47.2A2B19.A$46.A.AB$46.A$45.2A!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 3:49 pm
by dvgrn
dvgrn wrote:... 75x97, recovery in 627 ticks. Your move!
Also inside 100x100 is this small HWSS-to-Herschel converter. Here the Herschel is capped by an H-to-G, but you could add Herschel circuitry directly to the output H instead of just getting a glider out. Maybe the HWSS-to-H with the smallest bounding box could be a separate Optimization Game:
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x = 99, y = 88, rule = LifeHistory
19.2A8.4B$20.A7.4B$9.2A.2A3.3A7.4B$9.2A.A4.A8.4B$12.A.3B8.4B$12.A.2A
2B6.4B$13.A2BAB5.4B$14.B2A2B3.4B$15.4B2.4B$11.13B$11.12B$11.11B$12.
10B$11.11B$12.10B28.2A$10.8B3DB28.A.A$10.2A3.4BD2B30.A4.2A$11.A3.2B3D
2B26.4A.2A2.A2.A$8.3A5.6B26.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$8.A7.7B27.BABABA.A$16.8B27.
B2ABA.A$17.8B27.2B.BA$17.9B25.3B$16.6B.4B15.2A6.4B$16.7B.4B15.A6.B2A
3B$17.6B2.4B14.A.AB3.B2A3B$17.6B3.4B14.2AB.10B$17.6B4.4B15.13B$16.8B
4.4B14.14B$15.8B6.4B10.A2.15B$15.9B6.4B7.3A4.8B2.4B$15.9B7.4B5.A7.6B
5.4B$14.10B8.4B4.2A5.9B4.4B$14.3B2A5B9.9B4.4B4.2A5.4B$13.4B2A5B10.6B
5.4B5.A7.4B$13.11B10.8B2.4B7.3A5.4B$8.2A.A12B8.15B10.A6.4B$8.A.2A2.8B
10.14B19.4B$15.7B2.B7.13B21.4B$17.5B.B2A4.2AB.10B23.4B$16.8B2A3.A.AB
3.B2A3B26.4B$2E13.7B.2B4.A6.B2A3B27.4B$.E5.2B3.10B6.2A6.4B30.4B$.E.EB
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4A.2A2.A2.A29.4B3.5B$5.BC4BC10B16.A4.2A32.4B2.3B$4.8BC5BC11B6.A.A39.
9B7.2A$4.2BC5BC4BCBC11B5.2A41.8B8.A$5.2B6C4B2C12B13.A35.10B3.B.A.2A$
5.26B11.3A35.7B2A2B.B3A2.A$5.8B.17B10.A38.7B2A3BAB2.2A$6.7B3.2B.11B
11.2A37.12B4A$4.4B.B9.10B10.4B35.2AB.7B3.2B.A$4.EC14.9B9.3B20.A15.A.A
B.7B2.B3A$5.E14.8B9.4B.3B.B12.3A15.A5.4B4.A$2.3E15.8B2.18B10.A17.2A5.
4B5.5A$2.E16.8B2.16B2A2B5.B3.2A11.A10.4B10.A$19.8B2.16B2A2B3.8B11.3A
7.4B9.A$19.9B.20B.8B16.A5.4B10.2A$18.40B15.2A4.4B$18.21B2.2B.15B14.9B
6.2A$17.19B8.17B14.6B7.A$18.16B11.19B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$18.15B12.35B4.
A2.A$17.17B12.7B.27B3.B2A$17.17B11.25B2A14B$18.14B.B2A8.26B2A13B$19.
10B4.BA.A8.8B2.29B$19.9B8.A8.6B11.2B.B.17B$20.8B8.2A8.5B10.3B4.15B$
20.7B19.4B7.2A.2BA5.15B$20.7B19.4B7.A.2BA.A5.13B$19.8B17.2AB.B9.A2.BA
.A2.13B$19.7B17.A.AB12.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$19.4B2AB17.A13.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$
20.3B2AB16.2A12.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$19.6B31.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$20.5B32.A
3.2A2.A.A9.3B$20.4B41.A.A9.B2AB$21.5B40.A11.2A$24.2A$24.A$25.3A$27.A!
It's quite a bit slower than the latest HWSS-to-G, though.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 4:17 pm
by Kazyan
There's likely something more convenient out there than that HWSS-boat collision. So, I've adapted a Python script to do CatForce runs for collisions of a HWSS with blocks, beehives, boats, loaves, tubs, ponds, ships, and blinkers. I'll report the most promising results shortly--they'll be quick 1-catalyst searches with combine-results turned on, using Bellman favorites in addition to the usual Spartan suspects. Then if those aren't helpful, 2-catalyst searches using a smaller catalyst list.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 4:41 pm
by Gustavo6046
I really tried a lot to optimize that in any means, and my mouse almost broke, but I need a rest by now, I can't continue, especially with a mouse that behaves strangely.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:11 pm
by Gustavo6046
Kazyan wrote:There's likely something more convenient out there than that HWSS-boat collision.
In fact, I breaked a little my rest after reading that and I immediately found this:
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x = 15, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
2.2C$C4.C$6.C$C5.C6.2C$.6C6.2C!
Now I'll continue my rest, later I will make the restore circuitry.
But before that, another plan: a new G-to-H.
If we can do a G-to-HWSS, we can use that HWSS-block collision to generate the pi, a small circuitry to rebuilt the block, which includes the H-to-2H, which one of the out Hs will be the circuit's output.
Simple, right?
EDIT: I thought a little and maybe the pi don't fit. I am going to try another reaction after the rest. Idea: a Python program runs ptbsearch instead of catgl, that will provide the benefit of the transparent catalysts and still find nice stuff to perturb a HWSS.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 6:13 pm
by biggiemac
That HWSS + block -> Pi was investigated by thunk already, it works nicely with a known Pi -> 2G to give this HWSS -> G. But optimization might still be out there, with different targets still.
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x = 379, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory
335.2A$335.A.A$337.A4.2A$333.4A.2A2.A2.A$333.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$335.BABABA
.A$336.B2ABA.A$337.2B.BA$336.3B$327.2A6.4B$328.A6.B2A3B$328.A.AB3.B2A
3B$329.2AB.10B$331.13B$331.14B$331.15B$333.8B2.4B$333.6B5.4B$332.9B4.
4B$331.4B4.2A5.4B$330.4B5.A7.4B$329.4B7.3A5.4B$304.A23.4B10.A6.4B$
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4B10.3A$299.A3.2A2.BA2B2A11.3BD25.4B8.A$285.3B12.3A2.3AB.B2A10.4B27.
4B7.2A$285.4B13.A.A2.2B2.B10.4B29.4B3.5B$286.4B12.BABAB14.4B31.4B2.3B
$287.4B12.BA3B12.4B33.9B7.2A$288.4B12.4B11.4B35.8B8.A$289.4B11.3B11.
4B10.A19.2A5.10B3.B.A.2A$290.4B7.B.4B10.4B9.3A19.A6.7B2A2B.B3A2.A$
291.4B.B3.8B.B4.B.4B9.A23.3A3.7B2A3BAB2.2A$292.6B2.11B2.6B4.2B4.2AB
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10B.4B11.A.A.A.A.A.AB.7B2.B3A$292.23BD3B3.9B.6B10.2A.A.A2.A5.4BD3.A$
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4B10.A$.6C284.4BC9B2C12B2.19B14.A5.4B9.A$C5BC282.C5BC9B2C9B7.17B13.2A
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2.2C3B285.19B9.24B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$296.16B2.2B3.21BD19B4.A2.A$294.
14BD24B.4BDBD20B3.B2A$294.2A2.8BDBD23B2.4B3D9B2A14B$295.A3.B.5B3D23B
2.4BD11B2A13B$292.3A7.4BD24B4.29B$292.A10.9BA19B10.4B.17B$310.3BA.16B
10.5B2.15B$311.3A5.12B6.2A.2BA.19B$312.4B6.9B6.A.2BA.A5.13B$314.2A5.
11B6.A2.BA.A2.13B$314.A5.2AB.7B8.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$315.3A.A.AB2.4B8.A.4A
2.AB2A6.6B$317.A.A5.2B2AB6.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$318.2A7.2A7.A.A2.A2.2A.2A
9.B.B$337.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B$345.A.A9.B2AB$346.A11.2A!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 6:48 pm
by gmc_nxtman
My fail, with a bounding box of 108x83 and a repat time of 855:
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#C Massive room for improvement here.
#C Hint: the H-to-G collection is your friend.
x = 108, y = 502, rule = LifeHistory
45.C11.2C$44.C.C9.B2EB$36.C3.2C2.C.C9.3B$35.C.C2.C2.2C.2C9.B.B$35.C.C
3.C.C2.B8.5B$36.C.4C2.CB2E6.6B$38.C3.C.C.2E4.8B$37.C2.BC.C2.13B$36.C.
2BE.C5.13B$15.2C19.2C.2BE5.15B$15.C6.C17.3B4.15B$11.C.C.C6.3C16.2B.B.
17B$10.C.2C.2C8.C8.29B$10.C4.B8.CE7.4BD11B2E13B$11.3CB2EB6.5B.B2.4B3D
9B2E14B$13.C.2EB.B6.6B.4BDBD20B3.B2E$17.4B4.14BD19B4.C2.C$17.26B2.2B
2.B3.6B5.2C.C$15.25B14.6B7.C$15.2E21B14.9B6.2C$15.2E20B15.CE4.4B$18.
19B16.C5.4B$18.11B2.8B11.3C7.4B$10.2C6.10B5.B3.EC11.C10.4B$10.C6.2B2D
BD7B7.C24.B3D$11.3C2.4B3DB4.EC8.3C22.D3B$13.C7BD4B2.C11.C23.D3B$15.
11B3.3C33.4B$15.4B2E5B5.C34.4B$16.3B2E5B41.4B30.C$16.10B42.4B.B25.3C$
17.9B43.7B22.C$17.9B42.9B21.EC$17.8B42.10B11.2C5.5B$18.8B41.11B2.2B6.
C5.4B$19.6B42.16B2.BC.C5.5B$19.6B4.2C35.16B.B.BEC4.8B$19.6B4.C35.21B
6.8B$18.7B.BC.C34.23B3.6BE2B$18.6B2.BEC35.23B3.5BEBEB$19.8B37.24B.5BE
2BEB$19.8B35.CEB.29B2E2B$18.8B35.C.CB.24B2E5B.BEC$9.C8.7B36.C6.21BE2B
E2B3.BC.C$9.3C6.6B36.2C7.21B2E4B5.C$7.2C3.C4.2B3D2B45.8B2E17B5.2C$6.C
.C2.CE4.4BD2B47.6B2E17B$7.C3.4B.4B3DB48.23B$13.11B49.20B$5.5C2.12B51.
9B3D3B3D$2C2.C4.C2.12B52.8BD4B.D3B$C2.C.BCB4.11B54.8BD3B2.D3B$.C.C.CE
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.C15.C22.C12.18B$3.2C2.E2BE.14B.BAC16.3C20.EC12.B.B3.11B$8.2E18B21.C
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4B11.6B8.C9.9B3.2C$12.12B6.4BD26B2.8B8.C.CB5.12BE.EB$13.3B2.8B4.5BD
21BD14B8.CEB.3B.12B2E2B$19.2BE13B2D18B3D13B11.20B.BEC$19.BEBE11B2D2B
2E15BDBD4B.7B12.17B4.BC.C$17.3B2E12BD3B2E15BD15B12.15B8.C$17.16B.11B
3.2B2.19B11.15B9.2C$18.14B2.10B11.17B8.17B$18.2B3A8B4.6B16.15B.2B2.
20B$19.BA2BA7B5.3B19.22BD15B$17.3BA10B5.B21.8B.13BDBD4B.7B$17.3BA3BA
5B5.2C19.8B3.2B2E9B3D4B2.6B$17.3BA3BA5B5.C20.CE3.B5.2B2E11BD4B2.7B$
16.4BA9B3.C.C21.C10.18B4.6B$17.4BABA7B2.2C19.3C12.B.3B.4B11.5B$16.15B
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4B41.4B15.C2.B2E$13.C4.7B3.EC40.4B13.3C4.C.C$12.2C4.7B3.C40.D3B14.C4.
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7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$
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7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.7B$18.3BA3B$18.2B3A2B$18.B2ABA2B$
18.B3A3B$18.B3A2B$19.3A2B$19.B2A!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 7:10 pm
by dvgrn
gmc_nxtman wrote:My fail, with a bounding box of 108x83 and a repat time of 855...
#C Hint: the H-to-G collection is your friend.
Indeed it is! The right substitution can make these circuits almost elegant. Or, well, at least they're a lot more elegant than the old pre-syringe pre-Snark circuitry used to be.
The best I seem to be able to manage with this HWSS+boat reaction is a repeat time of 617, which is better than my last posting:
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x = 376, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
339.2A$339.A.A$341.A4.2A$337.4A.2A2.A2.A$337.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$340.A.A.A.
A$341.2A.A.A$345.A2$331.2A$332.A7.2A$332.A.A5.2A$333.2A6$366.A$343.2A
19.3A$343.A19.A$344.3A16.2A$346.A$321.2A$322.A48.2A$311.2A.2A3.3A50.A
$311.2A.A4.A52.A.2A$314.A49.2A4.3A2.A$314.A.2A46.2A3.A3.2A$315.A2.A
50.4A$317.2A36.2A15.A$354.A.A12.3A$354.A13.A$352.A.A14.5A$350.3A.2A
17.A$349.A21.A$348.A.A20.2A$348.A.A$349.A$312.2A$313.A$310.3A$310.A$
333.2A$333.2A2$327.2A$327.A.A$329.A23.2A$329.2A22.A.A$355.A$346.2A7.
2A$346.2A2$336.A.2A$334.3A.2A$319.2A12.A$319.2A13.3A.2A$336.2A2.A$
310.2A.A25.A.A$310.A.2A21.A.2A.A.A$335.2A.A2.A$326.2A10.A$326.2A10.2A
$302.2A28.A3.2A2.A.A$303.A26.3A2.A2.A2.2A$303.A.A23.A6.2A$304.2A23.2A
4$310.2C48.2A$.4A303.C4.C46.2A$6A308.C5.C$4A.2A301.C5.C4.C.C$4.2A303.
6C4.2C$355.2A$355.2A$359.2A$359.2A$306.2A$307.A$304.3A46.2A$304.A33.
2A13.2A$338.A.A$329.2A9.A$328.A2.A2.2A4.2A$328.A.A4.A2.2A$329.A5.A.A.
A$332.2A.A2.A$332.A2.A$329.A4.A$329.5A2$329.2A.2A$329.2A.2A!
It still doesn't come near improving on thunk's HWSS+block solution, though (repeat time 573).
Maybe now is a good time to follow Gustavo's lead, take a break, and give up on the HWSS+boat reaction for now. Will keep my fingers crossed that Kazyan's search will turn up a nicely restored bait object, which might get the repeat time down to something much more more reasonable.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:06 pm
by Kazyan
Not done yet, but there is a nice HWSS + beehive -> Honey Farm reaction that requires no other catalysts. A separate CatForce or Bellman search might be able to restore the beehive by placing something convenient off to the right here:
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x = 15, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
9bobo$8bo$8bo3bo$2o6bo3bo$bo6bo$bobo4bo2bo$2b2o4b3o$13bo$12bobo$12bobo
$13bo5$5b2o$6bo$3b3o$3bo!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 11:11 pm
by thunk
dvgrn wrote:It still doesn't come near improving on thunk's HWSS+block solution, though (repeat time 573).
Which Dave himself improved upon with a
537-tick variant.
This is almost as good as we can hope for without a direct conversion. Kazyan's partial seems like a good start, as there's only one problem to solve here (turning the LOM into a beehive at the right place). If only I had the time right now to seriously experiment with this...
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 28th, 2015, 5:57 am
by Gustavo6046
This still life generates a B-heptomino when striked by a glider. If we can find a synthesis of it, we can (with difficulty) make a restore system !
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x = 9, y = 10, rule = LifeHistory
5.E$5.3E$8.E$3.4E.E$3.E2.2E3$3E$2.E$.E!
Kazyan wrote: A separate CatForce or Bellman search might be able to restore the beehive by placing something convenient off to the right here...
You don't need any program if you have me. I know where to put eaters based on a system where, depending in the pattern to eat, I put a different eater.
A block will eat before being destroyed:
So I evolved and perturbed that reaction with two blocks and a eater until the result started to consume the topleft eater:
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x = 33, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
4B$.4B$2.4B$3.4B5.2B$4.4B2.5B$5.4B.6B3.B$6.11B.3B$7.15B$8.15B$9.5BCBC
6B$10.3BC11B$11.2BC3BC8B5.2E$5.2E4.2BC3BC8B5.E$6.E4.2BC13B.BE.E$6.E.E
B.2BC2BC10B.BCE$7.ECB.2B3C13B$9.9BC10B$9.8BCBC9B$9.8BCBC8B$10.8BC4B2.
B$10.13B.3B$10.6B4.B.B.B2CB$12.3B4.3B3.2E$10.5B4.B2CB$10.EC8.2E$11.E$
8.3E$8.E!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 28th, 2015, 6:04 am
by mniemiec
Gustavo6046 wrote:This still life generates a B-heptomino when striked by a glider. If we can find a synthesis of it, we can (with difficulty) make a restore system ! ...
This is unnecessarily complicated. This still-life takes 6 gliders to make. There are also glider-boat and glider-eater collisions that make B-heptomino,s and and both boat and eater can be synthesized from only 2 gliders.
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 28th, 2015, 6:13 am
by Gustavo6046
Oh ok.
I put ONE (meow) BLOCK and it produced a R-bee, a century and a glider:
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x = 28, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
B$2B$3B$4B10.D$.4B8.D.D$2.4B6.2BD2B$3.4B3.8B$4.4B.CDC6B3.B$5.3BCDB2D
6B.BCE$6.2BC3BC8BCE3.2E$2E4.2BCB2DC6B.2B4.E$.E4.2BC10B5.E.E$.E.EB.2BC
2BC8B4.CE$2.ECB.2B3C8B2D$4.9BC4BDBD$4.8BCBC3BDBD$4.8BCBC4BD$5.8BC4B$
5.13B$5.6B4.B.B2.2C$7.3B4.3B3.2E$5.5B4.B2CB$5.EC8.2E$6.E$3.3E$3.E!
Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns
Posted: October 28th, 2015, 7:24 am
by dvgrn
Gustavo6046 wrote:I put ONE (meow) BLOCK and it produced a R-bee, a century and a glider...
The point is to find a way to put the beehive back in the same location. When you do that, you'll have a pattern worth posting. There's really no point in drawing people's attention to random explosions, unless the output is at least as rare as a *WSS spaceship -- and sometimes not even then.