Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits
Posted: August 26th, 2023, 10:38 am
Add the 162nd fun fact - 165th fun fact to the fun fact page
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As far as I understand, LifeWiki pretty much always has the latest version of LifeViewer these days. You might need to hard-refresh your browser to get rid of an older cached copy. Or do you mean some update that isn't in Build 1042 yet?
Update that isn't in Build 1042 yet.dvgrn wrote: August 29th, 2023, 9:43 amAs far as I understand, LifeWiki pretty much always has the latest version of LifeViewer these days. You might need to hard-refresh your browser to get rid of an older cached copy. Or do you mean some update that isn't in Build 1042 yet?
But... what update, then? Requests for new features would generally go somewhere like the Pattern Viewer for forum threads discussion, not in this "Suggested LifeWiki edits" thread.
dvgrn wrote: August 13th, 2021, 9:11 amThe old version of the Bx106 article was apparently using Cartesian coordinates. The old standard from the Hersrch database was to use Golly coordinates (increasing down and to the right, which is a very old screen-coordinates standard also shared by Life32, MCell, XLife and so on). The labels in the h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle collection use Cartesian coordinates, but that's been a relatively rare choice in the Conway's Life world for the last several decades -- it probably makes more sense to change those h-to-h labels than to change everything else.GUYTU6J wrote: August 13th, 2021, 2:33 am Is the displacement of Fx119 (20, -14), as in h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle and the previous version of Bx106 article, or (20, 14), as in the Fx119 article, or (-20, 14), as in the Herschel conduit article? I've just edited the Bx106 to remove the weird wanted displacement category; for now the part about Fx119 is taken out due to the question above.
The Herschel conduit article uses standard Golly coordinates also, it just specifies a non-standard orientation of a Herschel as the starting point. The content of that article came from an old Life Lexicon entry, but that entry has since been patched to use the Hersrch-standard orientation of a Herschel which is also used by h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle. I'd say we should update the table in the Herschel conduit article to match the Herschel orientation and coordinate system that is used by (almost?) all of the conduit articles that the table links to.
C28 wrote: September 11th, 2023, 9:04 am why does the wiki have Category:Conduits with output offset (x,y) categories when almost all of them have only one page in them?
Are there any objections to switching the Herschel shown in Herschel conduit to standard Hersrch orientation, and then changing the y-value signs accordingly?confocaloid wrote: September 11th, 2023, 11:49 am I think these issues could benefit from more attention / additional discussion.
dvgrn wrote: August 13th, 2021, 9:11 am The Herschel conduit article uses standard Golly coordinates also, it just specifies a non-standard orientation of a Herschel as the starting point. The content of that article came from an old Life Lexicon entry, but that entry has since been patched to use the Hersrch-standard orientation of a Herschel which is also used by h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle. I'd say we should update the table in the Herschel conduit article to match the Herschel orientation and coordinate system that is used by (almost?) all of the conduit articles that the table links to.
none here, though i'm not sure why we bother to list the displacement values for conduits at all.dvgrn wrote: September 11th, 2023, 3:07 pmAre there any objections to switching the Herschel shown in Herschel conduit to standard Hersrch orientation, and then changing the y-value signs accordingly?confocaloid wrote: September 11th, 2023, 11:49 am I think these issues could benefit from more attention / additional discussion.
dvgrn wrote: August 13th, 2021, 9:11 am The Herschel conduit article uses standard Golly coordinates also, it just specifies a non-standard orientation of a Herschel as the starting point. The content of that article came from an old Life Lexicon entry, but that entry has since been patched to use the Hersrch-standard orientation of a Herschel which is also used by h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle. I'd say we should update the table in the Herschel conduit article to match the Herschel orientation and coordinate system that is used by (almost?) all of the conduit articles that the table links to.
Re: coordinates in gmc_nxtman's collection -- it's way way past time for an update to Golly's h-to-h collection anyway. I have now done the first bit of coordinate-fixing, and have put in a request here for volunteers to find and add discoveries since 2017.
The dx/dy/dt information can be useful to know, if presented systematically. The question is how to present it in a useful way.C28 wrote: September 11th, 2023, 3:29 pm ...
none here, though i'm not sure why we bother to list the displacement values for conduits at all.
I like that page, but you mention a F128, F150, Lx86, F244, F246, F250, F256, BF187H, HF110B, HF157R, BR146H. WHat are they actually? Can you put them in lifeviewers on that User:Confocal/H page please?confocaloid wrote: September 11th, 2023, 3:46 pmThe dx/dy/dt information can be useful to know, if presented systematically. The question is how to present it in a useful way.C28 wrote: September 11th, 2023, 3:29 pm ...
none here, though i'm not sure why we bother to list the displacement values for conduits at all.
For example, see an incomplete table User:Confocal/H. It includes a number of (both elementary and composite) H-to-H conduits.
Sort the table by "x-y", then sort by "m", look through the conduits with output orientation "F", and you'll discover that F171, F117, F166, F114 are interchangeable in certain contexts: all these conduits have x - y = 46.
Not counting composite conduits with an intermediate Herschel, most listed components are the known conduits from the existing H-to-H collection.Haycat2009 wrote: September 15th, 2023, 10:58 amI like that page, but you mention a F128, F150, Lx86, F244, F246, F250, F256, BF187H, HF110B, HF157R, BR146H. WHat are they actually? Can you put them in lifeviewers on that User:Confocal/H page please?confocaloid wrote: September 11th, 2023, 3:46 pmThe dx/dy/dt information can be useful to know, if presented systematically. The question is how to present it in a useful way.C28 wrote: September 11th, 2023, 3:29 pm ...
none here, though i'm not sure why we bother to list the displacement values for conduits at all.
For example, see an incomplete table User:Confocal/H. It includes a number of (both elementary and composite) H-to-H conduits.
Sort the table by "x-y", then sort by "m", look through the conduits with output orientation "F", and you'll discover that F171, F117, F166, F114 are interchangeable in certain contexts: all these conduits have x - y = 46.
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x = 22, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
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x = 19, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
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Are there many known similar conduits that could then be added as well, for the same reasons?
On it.wirehead wrote: October 14th, 2023, 9:49 am Is the OCA Discovery of the Year page going to be updated with the 2022 results now that the voting is closed (and has been for two weeks)?
The thing with that rule is it just isn't very *interesting*. It's impossible to engineer anything, it's impossible to make anything really besides chaotic growth. Thus a wiki article wouldn't to it much good. Many rules are similar to this one actually, in that they make pretty patterns but nothing else.haaaaaands wrote: October 14th, 2023, 1:16 pm this rule isn't mentioned anywhere: R2,C80,S0,5,B2-3,5-7,P95,25,4. plz note that i ***didn't*** discover this rule.
The template documentation is on the subpage Template:Conduit/Doc. Unfortunately I don't think I can help with updating it, because
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x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
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