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That sounds good. What would they not digest then?MathAndCode wrote: February 25th, 2021, 6:15 pm They would probably develop a way to do that anyway in order to be able to recycle their own proteins.
Should we figure out how they might synthesize it?
probably not the compounds that are found in the prey but not the predators, such as the pigments used for photosynthesis.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 8:13 amThat sounds good. What would they not digest then?
I think that the only really important part is the thiol group.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 8:13 amShould we figure out how they might synthesize it?
Which part is that? I can see the SH part, but I don't know what other part of the molecule belongs in the thiol group.MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 11:30 am I think that the only really important part is the thiol group.
SH is the complete thiol group.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 12:21 pmWhich part is that? I can see the SH part, but I don't know what other part of the molecule belongs in the thiol group.
Oh, ok. When I looked up thiol it showed a radical group connected to it. Do we need to figure out how the thiol group is synthesised or not?
It has to be attached to some larger molecule at a carbon atom, but the actual group only consists of one sulfur atom and one hydrogen atom.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:01 pmOh, ok. When I looked up thiol it showed a radical group connected to it.
I wouldn't be concerned about it.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:01 pmDo we need to figure out how the thiol group is synthesised or not?
Yes, I realized that.MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:04 pm It has to be attached to some larger molecule at a carbon atom, but the actual group only consists of one sulfur atom and one hydrogen atom.
Good. So predators use glutathione to neutralize reactive oxygen species. What might prey do in response?
The prey would probably excrete more reactive oxygen species, evolve movement capabilities, and evolve some sort of defensive spike proteins.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:10 pmGood. So predators use glutathione to neutralize reactive oxygen species. What might prey do in response?
The spike proteins would especially discourage engulfing. The predators might secrete some acid or some other corrosive substance to disintegrate them.MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:29 pm The prey would probably excrete more reactive oxygen species, evolve movement capabilities, and evolve some sort of defensive spike proteins.
But how would that not harm the predator equally?Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:36 pmThe spike proteins would especially discourage engulfing. The predators might secrete some acid or some other corrosive substance to disintegrate them.
They could eject a vesicle, but maybe it would be hard to synthesize it in the first place.
Yes, and it would be difficult to target.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:02 pmThey could eject a vesicle, but maybe it would be hard to synthesize it in the first place.
Ok, let's scrap that idea. What would predators do then (if anything)?
They could excrete sulfuric acid in order to denature the spike proteins.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:35 pmOk, let's scrap that idea. What would predators do then (if anything)?
Isn't that basically the same thing?MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:43 pm They could excrete sulfuric acid in order to denature the spike proteins.
Yes, but I had previously forgotten that those creatures will probably have gotten used to acidity earlier.
Ok, good. Would they secrete it with vesicles or vacuoles or somwthing else? I also think this is enough adapting for now.MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:52 pm Yes, but I had previously forgotten that those creatures will probably have gotten used to acidity earlier.
They would likely excrete it via vesicles.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:57 pmOk, good. Would they secrete it with vesicles or vacuoles or somwthing else? I also think this is enough adapting for now.
What are "creates"?MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:00 pm They would likely excrete it via vesicles.
Actually, would the creates be used to sulfuric acid? They would have a lot of sulfate (and, to a lesser extent sulfite), but if they aren't electrically charged, then there would have to be a bunch of every hydrons as well.
I meant creatures. I have corrected my typo.
How does sulfuric acid form naturally? Also, there is a substantial amount of isocyanic acid, but it wouldn't be nearly as acidic.MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:00 pm They would likely excrete it via vesicles.
Actually, would the creatures be used to sulfuric acid? They would have a lot of sulfate (and, to a lesser extent sulfite), but if they aren't electrically charged, then there would have to be a bunch of every hydrons as well.
The creatures oxidize sulfur dioxide.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:22 pmHow does sulfuric acid form naturally? Also, there is a substantial amount of isocyanic acid, but it wouldn't be nearly as acidic.
With the arrival of oxygen then there might be a slight increase in the amount of sulfuric acid (but not much because oxygen there wouldn't be too much that deep down).
Yes, but they already had another method.Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:28 pmWith the arrival of oxygen then there might be a slight increase in the amount of sulfuric acid (but not much because oxygen there wouldn't be too much that deep down).
They did? Could you remind me of it?