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MathAndCode wrote: February 25th, 2021, 6:15 pm They would probably develop a way to do that anyway in order to be able to recycle their own proteins.
That sounds good. What would they not digest then?
MathAndCode wrote: February 25th, 2021, 6:15 pm One example is glutathione.
Should we figure out how they might synthesize it?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 8:13 amThat sounds good. What would they not digest then?
probably not the compounds that are found in the prey but not the predators, such as the pigments used for photosynthesis.
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 8:13 amShould we figure out how they might synthesize it?
I think that the only really important part is the thiol group.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 11:30 am I think that the only really important part is the thiol group.
Which part is that? I can see the SH part, but I don't know what other part of the molecule belongs in the thiol group.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 12:21 pmWhich part is that? I can see the SH part, but I don't know what other part of the molecule belongs in the thiol group.
SH is the complete thiol group.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 12:57 pm SH is the complete thiol group.
Oh, ok. When I looked up thiol it showed a radical group connected to it. Do we need to figure out how the thiol group is synthesised or not?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:01 pmOh, ok. When I looked up thiol it showed a radical group connected to it.
It has to be attached to some larger molecule at a carbon atom, but the actual group only consists of one sulfur atom and one hydrogen atom.
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:01 pmDo we need to figure out how the thiol group is synthesised or not?
I wouldn't be concerned about it.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:04 pm It has to be attached to some larger molecule at a carbon atom, but the actual group only consists of one sulfur atom and one hydrogen atom.
Yes, I realized that.
MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:04 pm I wouldn't be concerned about it.
Good. So predators use glutathione to neutralize reactive oxygen species. What might prey do in response?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:10 pmGood. So predators use glutathione to neutralize reactive oxygen species. What might prey do in response?
The prey would probably excrete more reactive oxygen species, evolve movement capabilities, and evolve some sort of defensive spike proteins.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:29 pm The prey would probably excrete more reactive oxygen species, evolve movement capabilities, and evolve some sort of defensive spike proteins.
The spike proteins would especially discourage engulfing. The predators might secrete some acid or some other corrosive substance to disintegrate them.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:36 pmThe spike proteins would especially discourage engulfing. The predators might secrete some acid or some other corrosive substance to disintegrate them.
But how would that not harm the predator equally?
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 1:52 pm But how would that not harm the predator equally?
They could eject a vesicle, but maybe it would be hard to synthesize it in the first place.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:02 pmThey could eject a vesicle, but maybe it would be hard to synthesize it in the first place.
Yes, and it would be difficult to target.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:31 pm Yes, and it would be difficult to target.
Ok, let's scrap that idea. What would predators do then (if anything)?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:35 pmOk, let's scrap that idea. What would predators do then (if anything)?
They could excrete sulfuric acid in order to denature the spike proteins.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:43 pm They could excrete sulfuric acid in order to denature the spike proteins.
Isn't that basically the same thing?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:44 pmIsn't that basically the same thing?
Yes, but I had previously forgotten that those creatures will probably have gotten used to acidity earlier.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:52 pm Yes, but I had previously forgotten that those creatures will probably have gotten used to acidity earlier.
Ok, good. Would they secrete it with vesicles or vacuoles or somwthing else? I also think this is enough adapting for now.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:57 pmOk, good. Would they secrete it with vesicles or vacuoles or somwthing else? I also think this is enough adapting for now.
They would likely excrete it via vesicles.
Actually, would the creatures be used to sulfuric acid? They would have a lot of sulfate (and, to a lesser extent sulfite), but if they aren't electrically charged, then there would have to be a bunch of every hydrons as well.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:00 pm They would likely excrete it via vesicles.
Actually, would the creates be used to sulfuric acid? They would have a lot of sulfate (and, to a lesser extent sulfite), but if they aren't electrically charged, then there would have to be a bunch of every hydrons as well.
What are "creates"?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:12 pmWhat are "creates"?
I meant creatures. I have corrected my typo.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:00 pm They would likely excrete it via vesicles.
Actually, would the creatures be used to sulfuric acid? They would have a lot of sulfate (and, to a lesser extent sulfite), but if they aren't electrically charged, then there would have to be a bunch of every hydrons as well.
How does sulfuric acid form naturally? Also, there is a substantial amount of isocyanic acid, but it wouldn't be nearly as acidic.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:22 pmHow does sulfuric acid form naturally? Also, there is a substantial amount of isocyanic acid, but it wouldn't be nearly as acidic.
The creatures oxidize sulfur dioxide.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:25 pm The creatures oxidize sulfur dioxide.
With the arrival of oxygen then there might be a slight increase in the amount of sulfuric acid (but not much because oxygen there wouldn't be too much that deep down).
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:28 pmWith the arrival of oxygen then there might be a slight increase in the amount of sulfuric acid (but not much because oxygen there wouldn't be too much that deep down).
Yes, but they already had another method.
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MathAndCode wrote: February 26th, 2021, 3:29 pm Yes, but they already had another method.
They did? Could you remind me of it?
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