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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: April 24th, 2022, 5:55 pm
by C28
wwei47 wrote: April 24th, 2022, 5:53 pm Another:

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x = 21, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo8b3o$2b2o8b3o$11bobo$11b2o7$5b2o12b2o$6bo12b2o$3b3o$3bo!
that was found by MathAndCode.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: April 27th, 2022, 2:04 am
by yoleo
(Cross-posting from discord) Messing around with the 5-gen H predecessor from the R49, I found a transparent block placement:

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x = 11, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory
2$3.A$3.3A$3.3A$2.A3.A2.2C$2.4A3.2C$2.A.2A!
!
And there is sufficient clearance that it attaches to a conduit 1. I did a CatForce search with block and eater, 2 catalysts--here's a block placement that creates a B output at gen 112, though there's a fair amount of junk you'd need to suppress to make it a conduit:

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x = 35, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
4$2.A$2.3A$2.3A$.A3.A2.2A$.4A3.2A22.D$.A.2A27.2D$33.2D$32.2D7$31.2A$
31.2A!
This placement of eaters sends the active region south, with no cleanup required:

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x = 43, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
28bo$27bobo$27bobo$26b2ob3o$32bo$26b2ob3o$26b2obo4$30b2o$30bo$28bobo$
28b2o2$bo$b3o$b3o$o3bo2b2o$4o3b2o31bo$ob2o34b3o$37bo$37b2o!
EDIT: 1 blinker away from an H->H. If anyone can find a catalyst placement that eliminates the blinker left behind from the red cells when they turn in on gen 113, we'll have a finished conduit

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x = 37, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
3$32.2A$33.A$32.A$32.2A2$.A$.3A$.3A$A3.A2.2A$4A3.2A22.D3.2A$A.2A27.2D
2.2A$32.2D$31.2D7$30.2A$30.2A3$16.2A$17.A8.2D$14.3A5.D.3D$14.A8.3D$
24.D!
EDIT^2: lol so this is a rediscovery. Looking at the linked post, the Rx262 even uses the same placement of eater 1's that I mention above! While less satisfying than finding a new conduit, it's still gratifying to know that I'm at least using the search tools effectively.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: April 27th, 2022, 2:44 am
by GUYTU6J
yoleo wrote: April 27th, 2022, 2:04 am (Cross-posting from discord) Messing around with the 5-gen H predecessor from the R49, I found a transparent block placement...
Congratulations! You have rediscovered the classical transparent block reaction for these two dependent conduits: HFx107B (as in F166) and HR203B (as in Rx262).

(I didn't want to make this post at first and instead sent you a private message, but you seemed to forget to check it just now. So I have deleted it.)

Amd also, please reduce viewer size.

---

While I am here, a question: why has nobody decided to document conduits like the Rx262, F193 and the HLx111R on LifeWiki?

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: April 27th, 2022, 4:36 am
by dvgrn
GUYTU6J wrote: April 27th, 2022, 2:44 am While I am here, a question: why has nobody decided to document conduits like the Rx262, F193 and the HLx111R on LifeWiki?
My own reason for not adding any more conduits to the LifeWiki, is that it was a lot of work just to add the seventeen "classical era" (before 2000) Herschel conduits -- and now that we've got many hundreds of conduits, it just seems much more effective to look up conduits in the Elementary Conduits Collection, than to look them up on the LifeWiki.

Entity Valkyrie added quite a few of the commonest "modern" elementary conduits a while back, but then stopped at (what seemed to me to be) just about the right place. There are lots of conduits that hardly ever actually get used or discussed, so it doesn't seem like anyone will want to look them up in the LifeWiki very often. E.g., Rx262 is a little bit too big to be useful in the gun collection, I think.

If anyone has a different judgment from mine about some of these, I probably won't actually object to them getting added. The three conduits you mentioned are all fairly good candidates to add -- either they're Spartan, or they're near-Spartan and fairly compact. I just tend to think that it would be silly if big awkward conduits like the Bx290 each got their own page.

Maybe a lot of elementary conduits could get a redirect to the Elementary conduits article, though, which has a link to the Elementary Conduits Collection? Not sure, that might still be kind of clutter-y.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: April 28th, 2022, 8:09 am
by GUYTU6J
(Sorry if I am going a bit off-topic here...)
dvgrn wrote: April 27th, 2022, 4:36 am ...
If anyone has a different judgment from mine about some of these, I probably won't actually object to them getting added. The three conduits you mentioned are all fairly good candidates to add -- either they're Spartan, or they're near-Spartan and fairly compact. I just tend to think that it would be silly if big awkward conduits like the Bx290 each got their own page.
...
Right now I have added F131 (for the unusual pattern recognition) and R126 (for the small p504 Herschel loop).

Speaking of Bx290, I noticed that it shares some catalysts with HLx111R. Searching for a while returns a surprising amount of elementary conduits starting with the particular combination of snake on bookend (for minimum population, or cis-mirrored bookend for easier glider construction) and snake (or fishhook, again for the two distinct merits):

HLx111R and HL166W (original discovery)
Sokwe wrote: September 8th, 2012, 5:34 am I have been running ptbsearch with some larger catalysts, and I recently found a reaction that gives a new stable H->R converter:

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x = 27, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
24b2o$24b2o12$o$obo20b2o$3o20bo$2bo10b2o3b2o4b3o$11bo2bo4bo6bo$11b3o4b
o$18b2o$11b2obo$11bob2o!
...
Using the same initial reaction, I also found a stable converter that converts a Herschel to the block-and-glider methuselah:

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x = 38, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$10bo10bo$10b3o8bobo$13bo8b2o$12b2o11$2o$bo32b2o$bobo30bo$2b2o31b
3o$37bo6$2bo$2bobo20b2o$2b3o20bo$4bo10b2o3b2o4b3o$13bo2bo4bo6bo$13b3o
4bo$20b2o$13b2obo$13bob2o!
HF110B
simeks wrote: September 29th, 2015, 8:58 pm A new H-to-B. Works with Conduit 1 for an Fx169:

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x = 118, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
19.C63.C$17.3C61.3C$16.C63.C$16.2C62.2C$26.C63.C$12.2C12.3C47.2C12.3C
$12.2C8.2C5.C46.2C8.2C5.C$22.2C4.2C56.2C4.2C4$30.2D62.2D21.D$31.2D62.
2D18.3D$30.2D62.2D2.2A15.D.D$30.D63.D3.2A15.D6$95.2A$E63.E30.A$E.E20.
2C39.E.E20.2C4.A.A$3E20.C40.3E20.C5.2A$2.E10.2C3.2C4.3C39.E10.2C3.2C
4.3C$11.C2.C4.C6.C48.C2.C4.C6.C$11.3C5.C.C53.3C5.C.C$20.2C62.2C$11.3C
61.3C$11.C2.C60.C2.C$13.2C62.2C!
Lx86
Kazyan wrote: March 14th, 2016, 10:19 pm Here's a nice little HLx86H:

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x = 35, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
16.A11.B$16.3A8.3D$19.A7.BDB$18.2A6.2B3D$18.5B3.5B$6.2A12.12B$7.A11.
13B$7.A.AB8.12B$8.2AB.3B4.12B$10.22B$10.22B$11.20B$10.21B$8.23B$6.23B
.B2A$6.2BC13B2.5B.BA.A$5.3BCBC4B.7B2.2B6.A$6.2B3C4B2.3B.B4.B6.2A$5.5B
C4B4.2B2A3.2A$4.10B4.BA2.A4.A$4.3B12.3A5.A.A$2.4B22.2A$2.2A15.3A$3.A
15.A2.A$3A18.2A$A!
HLx185B and HF214B
AbhpzTa wrote: April 13th, 2016, 11:01 am HLx185B(92):

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x = 49, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory
31.D$30.3D$29.2D2BD$28.6B$28.6B13.2C$27.7B12.C.C$28.7B2.2B7.C$29.11B
5.2C$17.C11.13B.BC$17.3C8.16B3C$20.C8.14B.B2.C$19.2C9.13B3.2C$19.4B2.
3B4.11B$21.10B2.9B$19.22B.B$19.24BC$18.24BC.C$17.22B3.BC$17.20B$18.
17B$18.16B$15.14B.B$7.2C6.15B$8.C5.15B$8.C.CB2.15B$9.2CB.15B$11.20B$
11.20B$12.20B$11.22B$9.24B$7.25B$7.2BE13B.10B$6.3BEBE4B.7B2.2B4.2C$7.
2B3E4B2.3B.B4.B4.C$6.5BE4B4.2B2C3.2C4.3C$5.10B4.BC2.C4.C6.C$4.4B12.3C
5.C.C$4.3B22.2C$2.4B14.3C$2.2A16.C2.C$3.A18.2C$3A$A!
HF214B(92):

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x = 50, y = 43, rule = LifeHistory
26.C$26.3C7.2C$29.C5.B2CB$28.2C6.3B3.3B$28.5B4.B.7B$30.17BD$29.19BD$
17.C11.19B2D$17.3C8.19B2D$20.C8.18BD$19.2C9.14B$19.4B2.3B4.10B$21.10B
2.9B$19.22B.B$19.24BC$18.24BC.C$17.22B3.BC$17.20B$18.17B$18.16B$15.
14B.B$7.2C6.15B$8.C5.15B$8.C.CB2.15B$9.2CB.15B$11.20B$11.20B$12.20B$
11.22B$9.24B$7.25B$7.2BE13B.10B$6.3BEBE4B.7B2.2B4.2C$7.2B3E4B2.3B.B4.
B4.C$6.5BE4B4.2B2C3.2C4.3C$5.10B4.BC2.C4.C6.C$4.4B12.3C5.C.C$4.3B22.
2C$2.4B14.3C$2.2A16.C2.C$3.A18.2C$3A$A!
Most recently HF132B
MathAndCode wrote: January 16th, 2022, 11:50 pm Here is a new H->B conduit, whose systematic name is HF132B.

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x = 27, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory
24.2D$15.2A8.2D$15.2A7.2D$24.D6$22.2A$22.2A14$C$C.C$3C$2.C10.2A3.2A$11.
A2.A4.A$11.3A4.A$18.2A$11.3A$11.A2.A$13.2A!
I have decided that the main article will be about HLx111R because of the commonly used composite BBx187H, and the rest will be given a brief description in that article. Is it feasible?

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: April 28th, 2022, 1:56 pm
by dvgrn
GUYTU6J wrote: April 28th, 2022, 8:09 am Right now I have added F131 (for the unusual pattern recognition) and R126 (for the small p504 Herschel loop).

Speaking of Bx290, I noticed that it shares some catalysts with HLx111R...

I have decided that the main article will be about HLx111R because of the commonly used composite BBx187H, and the rest will be given a brief description in that article. Is it feasible?
That all sounds good to me -- those are all very reasonable conduits to have articles about. Maybe further discussion of this kind of thing could go in the Suggested LifeWiki Edits thread, or on the LifeWiki Tiki Bar -- not that I mind it here, it just maybe shouldn't go on too long.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: May 24th, 2022, 4:41 pm
by EvinZL
I don't seem to have posted this bandersnatch-based G4 receiver before

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x = 38, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
31.A$4.A25.A$3.A.A24.3A$3.A.A$.3A.2A$A4.B11.2A$.3AB2AB2.2B4.B2AB$3.A.
2A6B.7B$5.18B$7.16B2.B$6.21B$6.18BA2B$6.17BA3B$3.2B.17B3A2B$2.2A25B$
2.2AB.6BA9BA7B$3.B2.5BABA7BABA7B$5.5BA2BA7BABA9B3.2A$6.5B2A9BA10BD2.
2A$6.27B2D$5.29B2D$4.2A28BD$4.2A27BD$5.2B.7B2.13B$9.6B2.11B.3B$10.4B
3.11B2.2A$13.2B3.5BA3B3.A$12.B2AB3.3BABAB5.3A$13.2A4.4B2AB7.A$19.7B$
19.7B$21.4B$19.5B$19.2A$20.A$17.3A$17.A!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: May 24th, 2022, 4:57 pm
by apg
EvinZL wrote: May 24th, 2022, 4:41 pm I don't seem to have posted this bandersnatch-based G4 receiver before

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x = 38, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
31.A$4.A25.A$3.A.A24.3A$3.A.A$.3A.2A$A4.B11.2A$.3AB2AB2.2B4.B2AB$3.A.
2A6B.7B$5.18B$7.16B2.B$6.21B$6.18BA2B$6.17BA3B$3.2B.17B3A2B$2.2A25B$
2.2AB.6BA9BA7B$3.B2.5BABA7BABA7B$5.5BA2BA7BABA9B3.2A$6.5B2A9BA10BD2.
2A$6.27B2D$5.29B2D$4.2A28BD$4.2A27BD$5.2B.7B2.13B$9.6B2.11B.3B$10.4B
3.11B2.2A$13.2B3.5BA3B3.A$12.B2AB3.3BABAB5.3A$13.2A4.4B2AB7.A$19.7B$
19.7B$21.4B$19.5B$19.2A$20.A$17.3A$17.A!
That's potentially very useful: it produces a Herschel on the opposite output colour as the previous amphibious receiver, and with a one-tick difference:

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x = 207, y = 112, rule = LifeHistory
119.4D2.4D4.D6.D3.3D2.D3.D$119.D3.D.D3.D2.2D5.2D2.D5.D3.D$119.D3.D.D
3.D3.D4.D.D2.D5.D3.D$119.4D2.4D4.D3.D2.D2.4D2.5D$119.D3.D.D2.D4.D3.5D
.D3.D.D3.D$119.D3.D.D3.D3.D6.D2.D3.D.D3.D$119.4D2.D3.D2.3D5.D3.3D2.D
3.D7$79.2A98.2A$78.B2A2B95.B2A2B$79.4B96.4B$68.A11.4B3.3B78.A11.4B3.
3B$68.3A8.4B4.5B76.3A8.4B4.5B$71.A6.14B79.A6.14B$70.2AB5.14B78.2AB5.
14B$70.5B3.16B76.5B3.16B$72.5B.16B78.5B.16B$72.22B78.22B$72.23B77.23B
$71.24B4.3B69.24B4.3B$71.24B.7B68.24B.7B$71.23B.B2A5B68.23B.B2A5B$70.
25BA2BA5B66.25BA2BA5B$68.4BC23B2A6B64.4BC23B2A6B$67.6BC29B64.6BC29B$
67.6B2C17B.6B.2B65.6B2C17B.6B.2B$68.4B2C16B2.8B.B66.4B2C16B2.8B.B$69.
3BC16B4.6B.B2A66.3BC16B4.6B.B2A$69.20B8.B3.A.A65.20B8.B3.A.A$69.21B
12.2A65.21B12.2A$70.19B4.B76.19B4.B$71.20B.B2A76.20B.B2A$71.8B3D11B2A
76.8B3D11B2A$70.9BD14B76.9BD14B$69.9B3D13B75.9B3D13B$68.24B76.24B$67.
22B.B76.22B.B$66.10B.12B17.F59.10B.12B17.F$65.8B5.11B76.8B5.11B$64.8B
34.F57.8B34.F$63.8B92.8B$62.8B36.F55.8B36.F$61.8B92.8B$60.8B92.8B$59.
8B92.8B$58.8B92.8B$57.8B92.8B$56.8B92.8B$55.8B92.8B$54.8B92.8B$53.8B
92.8B$52.8B92.8B$51.8B92.8B$50.8B92.8B$49.8B92.8B$48.8B92.8B$47.8B92.
8B$46.8B92.8B$45.8B92.8B$44.8B92.8B$43.8B92.8B$42.8B92.8B$41.8B92.8B$
40.8B92.8B$39.8B92.8B$38.8B92.8B$37.8B92.8B$36.8B92.8B$35.8B92.8B$34.
8B92.8B$33.8B92.8B$32.8B66.A25.8B$4.B26.8B66.A.A23.8B$4.2B24.8B67.A.A
22.8B$4.3B22.8B66.3A.2A20.8B$4.4B20.8B66.A4.B11.2A7.8B$5.4B18.8B68.3A
B2AB2.2B4.B2AB5.8B$6.4B16.8B71.A.2A6B.7B3.8B$7.4B5.2A7.8B74.26B$8.4B
3.B2AB5.8B6.A70.23B7.A$9.4B3.3B4.8B5.3A69.23B6.3A$10.5B2.B4.8B5.A72.
22B6.A$11.9B.8B6.2A71.21B7.2A$8.3B.16B8.B68.2B.22B7.B$8.19B9.3B65.2A
25B6.3B$.B3.21B9.6B63.2AB.6BA17B4.6B$2AB.22B.B3.B2.10B61.B2.5BABA17B
2.10B$2A43B3.2B2.2B53.5BA2BA30B3.2B2.2B$.B.31BD3B2A15BD52.5B2A20BD3B
2A15BD$4.7B2A21B2D2B2A15BDBD50.27B2D2B2A15BDBD$5.B.4B2A22B2D18B3DB48.
29B2D18B3DB$9.26BD21BD48.2A28BD21BD$8.A3.22BD21B50.2A27BD21B$6.3A5.
12B2.3B5.13B.B56.2B.7B2.13B5.13B.B$5.A8.13B3.3B3.7B.B66.6B2.11B.3B3.
7B.B$5.2A9.5B.4B5.2A79.4B3.11B2.2A$16.B2A2B4.2B4.A83.2B3.9B3.A$17.2A
5.BA2B4.3A79.B2AB3.7B5.3A$24.A.A7.A80.2A4.7B7.A$25.A95.7B$121.7B$123.
4B$121.5B$121.2A$122.A$119.3A$119.A!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 8th, 2022, 1:46 am
by yoleo
Cross-posting from discord a 90-degree turning century conduit, CL48C, found via CatForce:

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x = 23, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
14.A.2A$12.3A.2A$11.A$11.A.2A.2A$10.2A.2A.A$11.B4.A$10.2AB3A$10.2A.A$
7.5B7.A.2A$.3D3.4B6.3A.2A$.DBD.7B4.A$BD2BD8B3.A.2A.2A$3B2D8B2.2A.2A.A
$.12B3.B4.A$13B.B2AB3A$6B3C4B.B2A.A$.7BC6B$2.3BCB2C6B$2.3B2C8B$2.13B$
2.11B.B2A$3.8B3.BA.A$4.B2.2B8.A$17.2A!
The clearance is good enough that you can feed it into itself (not quite good enough to fit two in the circuit, though):

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x = 45, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
7$15.2A.A$15.2A.3A$21.A$15.2A.2A.A$16.A.2A.2A7.A$7.2A.A5.A11.3A4.A.2A
$7.2A.3A4.3A.2A4.A5.3A.2A$13.A5.A.2A4.2A3.A$7.2A.2A.A18.A.2A.2A$8.A.
2A.2A16.2A.2A.A$8.A28.A$9.3A.2A16.2A.3A$11.A.2A16.2A.A$6.2A32.A.2A$7.
A14.3D13.3A.2A$7.A.A12.D.D12.A$8.2A12.D2.D11.A.2A.2A$24.2D10.2A.2A.A$
18.2D22.A$16.2D.D16.2A.3A$16.D10.3C6.2A.A$6.A.2A6.3D10.C$4.3A.2A16.C.
2C$3.A22.2C$3.A.2A.2A10.2D$2.2A.2A.A11.D2.D12.2A$8.A12.D.D12.A.A$2.2A
.3A13.3D14.A$2.2A.A32.2A$11.A.2A16.2A.A$9.3A.2A16.2A.3A$8.A28.A$8.A.
2A.2A16.2A.2A.A$7.2A.2A.A18.A.2A.2A$13.A3.2A4.2A.A5.A$7.2A.3A5.A4.2A.
3A4.3A.2A$7.2A.A4.3A11.A5.A.2A$15.A7.2A.2A.A$24.A.2A.2A$24.A$25.3A.2A
$27.A.2A!
Are there any other uses for this?

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 8th, 2022, 6:44 am
by Jormungant
With some annoying adaptations, there is a follow up C-to-G that can be used:

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x = 41, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
25.2A$24.B2AB$13.B5.2A4.2B$12.3B4.A.A4.2B$11.4B5.AB2.5B.B$10.7B4.3B2A
2B.B2A$8.10B3.2BA2BA3B2A$8.10B2.4BABAB.2B3.A$7.12B2.4BA2B5.A.A$6.15B
3.3B6.A.A$6.20B4.2A.A.2A$7.20B2.A2.A4.A$7.20B2.2A.A.3A$.B3.22B3.B.A.A
$2AB.22B3.2ABA$2A25B2.2A2.A$.30B.2A$.19B3D7B6.A$3.B2.14BDBD8B4.A.A$7.
13BD2BD8B3.A.A$6.16B2D8B2.2A.3A$6.6B.19B3.B4.A$5.5B4.18B.B2AB3A$4.4B
7.10B3C4B.B2A.A$3.4B11.9BC6B$2.4B14.4BCB2C6B$.4B16.3B2C8B$4B17.13B$3B
18.11B.B2A$2B20.8B3.BA.A$B22.B2.2B8.A$36.2A!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 21st, 2022, 9:35 am
by cvojan
Originally posted on the discord
CL9P variant that has a domino-spitting catalyst:

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x = 18, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
5b2o4b2o$5bobo2bobo$6b2o2b2o$2b2o10b2o$bobo10bobo$bo5b2o7bo$2o5bobo6b
2o$9bo$8b2o!
HF eater that works in all eight orientations:

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x = 16, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
11bo$10bobo$10bobo$b2o8bo$obo$obo$bo10b2o$12bobo$14bo$14b2o2$3bo$2bobo
$bo2bo$2b2o7$5b2o$5bo$6b3o$8bo!
Miscellaneous J interactions

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x = 41, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
39b2o$38bobo$6b2o20b2o8b2o$6b2o20b2o$8b3o19b3o3$6b2o$6bobo$7b2o4$2o$2o
!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 21st, 2022, 9:54 am
by dvgrn
cvojan wrote: June 21st, 2022, 9:35 amHF eater that works in all eight orientations:

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x = 16, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
11bo$10bobo$10bobo$b2o8bo$obo$obo$bo10b2o$12bobo$14bo$14b2o2$3bo$2bobo
$bo2bo$2b2o7$5b2o$5bo$6b3o$8bo!
Wow! That one is quite impressive. It's hard to go back through twenty-odd years of old not-quite clean conduit results and find the ones that were "good except for an Annoying Honeyfarm", but that's a nice Spartan component and has impressive clearance -- even if the pre-honeyfarm starts a few cells from the edge of a reaction envelope, this mechanism might be able to get rid of the whole thing.

Here's hoping somebody has a memorable problem that this solves -- I'd definitely like to get it into the Elementary Conduits Collection somehow, but we don't currently have a place to collect either half of a "HF -> nothing" conversion.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 25th, 2022, 8:00 pm
by Kazyan
New C-to-G; found on June 22, 2022:

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x = 24, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$8bobo2b2o$4b2obo2bobobo5bo$5bob2obobo5b3o$5bo4bob2o3bo$6b3obo6b2o
$o7bobo$3o6bo$3bo$2b2o3$5b2o$4bo2bo$5b2o8bo$14bobo$14bobo$15bo$20b3o$
20bobo$20bo2bo$22b2o!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 26th, 2022, 5:24 am
by Jormungant
Kazyan wrote: June 25th, 2022, 8:00 pm New C-to-G; found on June 22, 2022:

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x = 24, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$8bobo2b2o$4b2obo2bobobo5bo$5bob2obobo5b3o$5bo4bob2o3bo$6b3obo6b2o
$o7bobo$3o6bo$3bo$2b2o3$5b2o$4bo2bo$5b2o8bo$14bobo$14bobo$15bo$20b3o$
20bobo$20bo2bo$22b2o!
Well, I fear that would be some anachronism :/
Since this is in the thread from last year
GUYTU6J wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 3:06 am
MathAndCode wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 1:41 am
hotcrystal0 wrote: November 21st, 2021, 11:15 amEdit: Transparent beehive

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x = 10, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$obo$bo2$7bo$6b3o$8b2o!
That yields a periodic C→G conduit...
That transparent beehive is the basis of an century eater on LifeWiki, which was featured in Callahan's bistable switch in 1994. There is a 2016 list of transparent objects that is worth checking.

Blending that honey farm with the beehive+fishhook combo in RNE-19T84 is clever, though. I looked at this list of honey farm catalysts, and then I realized that half of beehive push catalyst works:

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x = 25, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
9.4B$8.4B$7.4B$6.4B$5.4B$4.6B7.2A$3.7B7.A$3.9B2.BA.A$2.11B.B2A$2.9BA
3B7.A$3.7BABA2B5.3A$3.7BABA2B4.A$5.B2.3BA3B4.A.2A$9.7B2.2A.A.A$10.5B
2.AB2.B2.A$10.6B.B7A$11.10B$11.7B.B3A$9.11BAB.A$7.B2E9B3.2A$5.2BE2BE
8B$4.4B2E9B$4.13B.B2A$3.14B.BA.A$2.15B4.A$2.2B3C9B5.2A$2.4BC8B$3BCB2C
4B2.B$3B2C8B$13B$12B$.9B$2.B2.2B!
This new CNE... (I cannot find a recognizer script for that) converter may lead to new edgeshooters, like this one with syringe and HR43C, but its clearance is -2 lanes:

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x = 36, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
20.4B$19.4B$18.4B$17.4B$16.4B$15.6B7.2A$14.7B7.A$14.9B2.BA.A$13.11B.B
2A$13.9BA3B7.A$14.7BABA2B5.3A$14.7BABA2B4.A$16.B2.3BA3B4.A.2A$20.7B2.
2A.A.A$21.5B2.AB2.B2.A$21.6B.B7A$22.10B$22.7B.B3A$7.A12.11BAB.A$7.3A
8.B2E9B3.2A$10.A5.2BE2BE8B$5.4A.A4.4B2E9B$4.A3.A.2A3.13B.B2A$4.2A2.2B
.B.15B.BA.A$6.A.20B4.A$4.3A8B3D9B5.2A$2A.A3.10BD8B$2A.A.2A3.4BDB2D4B
2.B$3.A.A3.5B2D8B$3.A.A3.15B$4.A3.15B$8.13B$7.11B$8.11B$8.11B$8.11B8.
A$6.2AB2.4B3DB3.2A2.A.A$5.A.AB3.4BD2B3.A.A2.A.A$5.A6.2B3D2B4.B.2A2.A$
4.2A7.6B3.2B2.A.A$13.7B.2BAB.A.2A$13.9BA.A.A$14.8B.A2.4A$14.6B4.2A3.A
$13.6B6.B.A$13.7B3.B2AB2A$14.8B.B2A$14.10B3.2A$13.3B2E6B4.A$7.2A5.2B
2E6B3.A$8.A5.10B3.2A$8.A.AB2.11B$9.2AB.2B3A7B$11.6BA8B$11.5BA10B$11.
16B.2B$12.17B2A$14.13B.B2A$15.8B.4B.B$16.7B$16.6B$16.4B$14.A3B$13.A.A
B$13.A.A$14.A$11.3A$11.A!
So now it is time to do serious research to find something at a reasonable recovery time that connects to PF*39C. Hopefully there will be an alternative edge-shooter replacing the old L156+RNE-19T84 one when it is not easy to remove the extra perpendicular glider.

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x = 28, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$20bo$18bobo$18b2o$14bo10bo$13bobo7b3o$13bobo6bo$14bo7bob2o$21b2o
bobo$20bo6bo$21b7o2$23b3o$23bo2bo$11b2o12b2o$10bo2bo$11b2o$22b2o$22bob
o$24bo$24b2o7$o$3o$3bo$2bo$2b2o4$6b3o4b2o$8bo4b2o$6b3o7$4bo$3bobo$3b2o!
Further remarks: the complex still life is simply to delete a leftover boat on the other side. A Spartan version of this C-to-G seems hard as there is little space for catalysts on this side.
Our conduit collection is getting outdated ^^

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 28th, 2022, 3:21 am
by Entity Valkyrie 2
Failure to tame Bx221.999...:

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x = 52, y = 37, rule = 12ColorMarkedLife
12.2A4.A$12.2A3.A.A$18.A10.A$29.3A$13.3V16.A$9.2K4.V15.2A$9.2K2.3V24.
A6.A$.O36.3A5.A.A$O.O34.A8.A.A$O.O34.2A6.2A.3A$.O49.A$12.D15.2A3.pB
11.2A.3A$10.D.D15.2A2.2pB11.2A.A$10.3D18.2pB$10.D21.2pB3$50.2A$50.A$
48.A.A$48.2A$18.2R19.3L$18.2R21.L$39.3L4$16.Q$16.Q.Q$16.3Q$18.Q23.2U$
42.2U$28.2A$28.2A2.2A$32.A.A$34.A$34.2A!
Though, I am friendly with the somewhat similar looking Bx125. Here are some results:

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x = 767, y = 38, rule = 12ColorMarkedLife
.O59.O59.O59.O59.O59.O59.O59.O59.O59.O59.O59.O59.O$O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.
O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O$O.O57.O.O
57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O57.O.O$.O
35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A
23.O35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A23.O35.A$12.D23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.D
23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.
D23.A.A33.D23.A.A33.D23.A.A$10.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A31.D.
D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A
31.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A31.D.D23.A.A$10.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.
3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.
3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.
3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A29.3D9.2A11.2A.3A$10.
D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.
2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A
17.A28.D11.2A17.A28.D11.2A17.A$35.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.
3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A54.2A.3A$
35.2A.A56.2A.A56.2A.A56.2A.A6.A49.2A.A56.2A.A56.2A.A56.2A.A56.2A.A56.
2A.A56.2A.A56.2A.A56.2A.A$223.3A$222.A$171.A50.2A61.2A56.2A$169.3A
113.A57.A$168.A100.2V12.A.A55.A.A56.2V$21.2R58.2R58.2R25.2A31.2R58.2R
6.2V12.2A36.2R18.2A38.2R17.2V39.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R$21.2R58.
2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R58.2R$160.2V$159.
V2.V4.2A$101.2L6.2A49.2V5.A.A46.2V$102.L.L4.2A58.A45.V2.V187.2A$19.Q
25.2V32.Q22.3L34.Q28.A30.Q16.2V41.Q59.Q12.V46.Q26.A.A30.Q59.Q25.2V32.
Q59.Q25.2V32.Q25.2V32.Q25.2V$19.Q.Q23.2V32.Q.Q21.L35.Q.Q27.3A27.Q.Q
57.Q.Q57.Q.Q9.3V45.Q.Q26.A30.Q.Q21.2V.V32.Q.Q23.2V32.Q.Q57.Q.Q23.2V
32.Q.Q23.2V32.Q.Q23.2V$19.3Q57.3Q57.3Q29.A27.3Q57.3Q57.3Q10.V46.3Q26.
2A29.3Q20.V2.2V32.3Q57.3Q57.3Q57.3Q57.3Q$21.Q59.Q59.Q59.Q59.Q59.Q59.Q
59.Q20.2V37.Q59.Q59.Q59.Q59.Q$44.2V58.2H538.2V59.2V$33.2A9.2V47.2A7.H
2.H47.2A58.2A58.2A58.2A58.2A58.2A58.2A58.2U58.2A8.V2.V46.2A9.V2.V45.
2A10.2V$33.A59.A8.3H48.A59.A59.A59.A59.A59.A59.A59.2U15.2A41.A9.V.V
47.A11.V.V45.A11.2V$34.3A3.2A52.3A6.H50.3A57.3A57.3A57.3A57.3A57.3A
57.3A63.V7.A2.A42.3A7.V49.3A9.V47.3A$36.A4.A54.A59.A59.A59.A59.A59.A
60.A.2A5.2A48.A9.2A50.2V8.3A45.A3.2A54.A59.A$36.A.3A413.2A.A.2A5.A.A
57.A.A50.2V60.A61.2A57.2A$35.2A.A415.A.A11.A59.A54.2A3.2A.A.2A43.3A
62.2A57.2A$457.3A.A6.2A58.2A53.2A4.A.2A.A43.A$460.2A127.A$457.2A129.
2A$457.A$458.A$457.2A!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 28th, 2022, 8:33 am
by EvinZL
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: June 28th, 2022, 3:21 am Failure to tame Bx221.999...:

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x = 52, y = 37, rule = 12ColorMarkedLife
12.2A4.A$12.2A3.A.A$18.A10.A$29.3A$13.3V16.A$9.2K4.V15.2A$9.2K2.3V24.
A6.A$.O36.3A5.A.A$O.O34.A8.A.A$O.O34.2A6.2A.3A$.O49.A$12.D15.2A3.pB
11.2A.3A$10.D.D15.2A2.2pB11.2A.A$10.3D18.2pB$10.D21.2pB3$50.2A$50.A$
48.A.A$48.2A$18.2R19.3L$18.2R21.L$39.3L4$16.Q$16.Q.Q$16.3Q$18.Q23.2U$
42.2U$28.2A$28.2A2.2A$32.A.A$34.A$34.2A!

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x = 46, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory
9.4B$8.6B$6.8B$6.7B$5.9B4.2A$4.9B5.A$4.9B2.BA.A6.2A$4.10B.B2A7.A$16B
10.A$3B2A11B9.2A$3B2A11B9.B8.A6.A$14B9.3B6.3A5.A.A$13B8.6B4.A8.A.A$
13B5.10B3.2A6.2A.3A$14B3.16B7.B4.A$6BD15B2A7B8.2AB3A$4BDBD15B2A9B.2B
3.2A.A$4B3D34B$4BD34B$.38B$8.18B.12B$9.31B4.2A$8.31B5.A$8.9B2.20B2.BA
.A$8.9B2.21B.B2A$9.33B$11.31B$11.31B$12.28B$10.21B.7B$8.19B5.6B$8.2BC
15B7.6B$7.3BCBC4B.7B8.5B$8.2B3C4B2.6B9.2B$8.4BC4B3.6B7.2A$9.7B6.4B7.A
$21.B2A2B8.A$22.2A.B2A5.2A$25.BA.A$28.A$28.2A!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 28th, 2022, 8:12 pm
by Entity Valkyrie 2
EvinZL wrote: June 28th, 2022, 8:33 am
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: June 28th, 2022, 3:21 am Failure to tame Bx221.999...:

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x = 52, y = 37, rule = 12ColorMarkedLife
12.2A4.A$12.2A3.A.A$18.A10.A$29.3A$13.3V16.A$9.2K4.V15.2A$9.2K2.3V24.
A6.A$.O36.3A5.A.A$O.O34.A8.A.A$O.O34.2A6.2A.3A$.O49.A$12.D15.2A3.pB
11.2A.3A$10.D.D15.2A2.2pB11.2A.A$10.3D18.2pB$10.D21.2pB3$50.2A$50.A$
48.A.A$48.2A$18.2R19.3L$18.2R21.L$39.3L4$16.Q$16.Q.Q$16.3Q$18.Q23.2U$
42.2U$28.2A$28.2A2.2A$32.A.A$34.A$34.2A!

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x = 46, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory
9.4B$8.6B$6.8B$6.7B$5.9B4.2A$4.9B5.A$4.9B2.BA.A6.2A$4.10B.B2A7.A$16B
10.A$3B2A11B9.2A$3B2A11B9.B8.A6.A$14B9.3B6.3A5.A.A$13B8.6B4.A8.A.A$
13B5.10B3.2A6.2A.3A$14B3.16B7.B4.A$6BD15B2A7B8.2AB3A$4BDBD15B2A9B.2B
3.2A.A$4B3D34B$4BD34B$.38B$8.18B.12B$9.31B4.2A$8.31B5.A$8.9B2.20B2.BA
.A$8.9B2.21B.B2A$9.33B$11.31B$11.31B$12.28B$10.21B.7B$8.19B5.6B$8.2BC
15B7.6B$7.3BCBC4B.7B8.5B$8.2B3C4B2.6B9.2B$8.4BC4B3.6B7.2A$9.7B6.4B7.A
$21.B2A2B8.A$22.2A.B2A5.2A$25.BA.A$28.A$28.2A!
I mean, extract a signal from that glider.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 29th, 2022, 7:25 am
by Jormungant
Nothing new here (more or less) but two "legacy" H-to-g in the conduit collection can be refurbished as a R-to-g with repeat time 192:

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x = 203, y = 153, rule = LifeHistory
14$77.2E11.E5.B59.4B$76.BEBEB7.3E4.2B60.4B$77.B2EB.2B3.E6.3B61.4B$78.
B.6B.2E4.4B62.4B9.2E$76.13B3.4B64.4B6.2B2EB$75.12B4.4B66.4B5.4B$75.
12B3.4B68.4B4.6B$75.13B.4B70.4B4.6B$70.2E4.16B72.4B.2B.6B$70.E.E3.15B
74.13B$71.EB5.12B76.13B$70.2B6.11B72.2E4.12B$69.4B5.10B73.E.E4.11B$
68.19B75.EB5.10B$68.18B75.2B7.9B$67.18B75.4B5.9B$67.18B74.18B$67.17B
75.16B$68.16B74.16B$69.15B74.16B$70.16B72.16B$70.16B73.16B$70.2E12B.B
2E72.15B$70.2E11B2.BE.E72.13B$71.11B6.E72.13B$72.8B8.2E71.2E12B$72.7B
82.2E11B$72.7B83.11B$72.7B84.8B$71.9B83.7B$50.2A20.5BE2B83.7B$25.2A
24.A19.5BEBE84.7B$26.A14.2A7.A11.2E8.5B2EB82.9B$26.A.AB10.B2AB6.2A11.
E8.8B61.2A20.5BE2B$27.2AB.2B7.4B7.B11.E.EB2.2B.10B34.2A24.A19.5BEBE$
29.5B6.4B7.3B10.2EB.16B33.A14.2A7.A11.2E8.5B2EB$23.2A4.7B4.5B5.6B2.B
8.18B32.A.AB10.B2AB6.2A11.E8.8B$23.A5.7B3.7B.12B8.19B32.2AB.2B7.4B7.B
11.E.EB2.2B.10B$24.3A2.7B.22B8.19B34.5B6.4B7.3B5.B4.2EB.16B$26.A24BD
7B8.18B29.2A4.7B4.5B5.6B2.3B5.19B$28.23B2D6B8.16B31.A5.7B3.7B.14B5.
20B$29.21B2D30B33.3A2.7B.25B2.22B$29.50B38.A24BD18BD14B$20.2A3.2A.B.
19B2.27B41.23B2D17BDBD10B$20.A.A.A.A23B.26B43.21B2D18B3D9B$22.A.A.B.
21B2.7B.16B45.43BD6B$21.2A.2A22B13.8B.3B38.2A3.2A.B.19B2.27B$25.B.21B
12.8B2.5B36.A.A.A.A23B.26B$27.19B13.10B4.2E38.A.A.B.21B2.7B.16B$28.
13B2.2B15.9B4.E38.2A.2A22B13.8B.3B$29.11B19.9B2E4.3E39.B.21B12.8B2.5B
$26.14B27.B2E6.E41.19B13.10B4.2E$25.15B28.B50.13B2.2B15.9B4.E$25.14B
81.11B19.9B2E4.3E$16.A8.12B80.14B18.8B.B2E6.E$15.A.A2.2A3.B3D4B.2B80.
15B17.9B2.B$14.A.A2.A.A3.2BD4B84.14B17.4B.4B$14.A2.2A6.2B3D2B75.A8.
12B18.4B4.B$15.A.A7.6B75.A.A2.2A3.B3D4B.2B18.4B$14.2A.A2.A3.7B74.A.A
2.A.A3.2BD4B21.4B$17.A.A.A2.7B74.A2.2A6.2B3D2B20.4B$14.4A2.A3.6B76.A.
A7.6B20.4B$14.A3.2A4.6B75.2A.A2.A3.7B19.4B$16.A.B6.6B77.A.A.A2.7B18.
4B$15.2AB2AB3.7B74.4A2.A3.6B$18.2AB.8B75.A3.2A4.6B$15.2A3.10B77.A.B6.
6B$15.A4.6B2A3B75.2AB2AB3.7B$16.A3.6B2A2B5.2A72.2AB.8B$15.2A3.10B5.A
70.2A3.10B$19.11B2.BA.A70.A4.6B2A3B$19.7B3C2B.B2A72.A3.6B2A2B5.2A$18.
8BC6B73.2A3.10B5.A$17.10BC5B77.11B2.BA.A$14.2B.16B77.7B3C2B.B2A$13.2A
18B76.8BC6B$13.2AB.17B74.10BC5B$14.B.4B.8B2.4B70.2B.16B$21.7B4.4B68.
2A18B$22.6B5.4B67.2AB.17B$24.4B6.4B67.B.4B.8B2.4B$26.3BA5.4B73.7B4.4B
$27.BA.A5.4B73.6B5.4B$28.A.A6.2B76.4B6.4B$29.A87.3BA5.4B$30.3A85.BA.A
5.4B$32.A86.A.A6.2B$120.A$121.3A$123.A30$74.3C$74.C$75.C$165.3C$165.C
$166.C!
I guess the issue that made them "legacy" is the fact that this backward spark make the usual b-to-h conduit unusable, but these seem to be healty r-to-g no? (I thought anything with repeat time below 300 was fair game for that collection)

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 29th, 2022, 1:21 pm
by dvgrn
Jormungant wrote: June 29th, 2022, 7:25 am Nothing new here (more or less) but two "legacy" H-to-g in the conduit collection can be refurbished as a R-to-g with repeat time 192...

I guess the issue that made them "legacy" is the fact that this backward spark make the usual b-to-h conduit unusable, but these seem to be healty r-to-g no? (I thought anything with repeat time below 300 was fair game for that collection)
300 is a good cutoff repeat time for the ECC, though I don't think there's an official limit -- there's a P-to-L in there with a repeat time of 552, for example. The official 300-tick limit that I know about is part of the collection rules for gmc_nxtman's h-to-h collection in Golly's Signal-Circuitry folder.

It's too bad that there aren't more X-to-R conduits that actually deliver an R with a nice amount of space all around it, the way the HLx111R does. Even the old G6->R Herschel receiver doesn't allow those R-to-Gs to connect. Is there anything that works besides HLx111R? -- some of those oddball stop-and-restart conduits, maybe, that turn a signal into a beehive + glider which turns back into an R?

By "legacy" do you mean "colored yellow instead of green"? I seem to remember that yellow in the ECC is the marker for "composite" -- i.e., it doesn't really belong in the Elementary Conduits Collection, but it's interesting/potentially useful enough that somebody put it there anyway.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: June 29th, 2022, 5:52 pm
by Jormungant
dvgrn wrote: June 29th, 2022, 1:21 pm It's too bad that there aren't more X-to-R conduits that actually deliver an R with a nice amount of space all around it, the way the HLx111R does. Even the old G6->R Herschel receiver doesn't allow those R-to-Gs to connect. Is there anything that works besides HLx111R?
Yes, later on I noticed that it seemed nothing else worked, but there is also a b-to-r that does in fact work:

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x = 110, y = 93, rule = LifeHistory
6$97.4B$96.4B$95.4B$94.4B$93.4B$92.4B$91.4B4.2E$75.E14.4B5.E$75.3E11.
4B3.BE.E$78.E9.6B2.B2E$77.2E8.10B$62.2B13.4B5.12B$61.4B14.2B3.14B$61.
5B12.21B$60.6B11.22B$59.8B9.22B$59.8B9.24B$59.10B.2B3.22B.2E$58.10B2E
28BEBE$57.11BEBE17B3.6B.B2E$49.2E5.13BE18B3.6B2.B$50.E5.32B5.3B$50.E.
EB.33B$51.2EB.33B$53.36B.BE$53.13B3.B.B4.B2E11BE.E$53.14B10.2E11B.2E$
49.2E4.12B14.8B$48.B2E2B.12B16.6B$49.16B18.3B$50.10B5.2B$50.10B5.2E$
50.10B5.E$50.10B6.3E$50.10B8.E$41.C8.10B$41.3C6.4B.5B$44.C5.B.B2.5B$
43.C.C10.9B$44.C10.9B$55.9B$35.A19.10B$35.3A7.2A8.10B$38.A5.B2AB7.11B
$37.2A6.3B3.3B.5BD5B$37.5B4.B.11B3D5BA.2A$39.17BD2BD5B2.2A.A$38.19BD
7B$26.A11.19B2D6B$26.3A8.19B2D6B$29.A8.18BD7B$28.2A9.14B.7B.3B$28.4B
2.3B4.10B5.B.B3.B2A$30.10B2.9B5.B2AB2.BA.A$28.22B.B5.2A4.B2A$28.24BA
8.4B$27.24BA.A7.2A$26.22B3.BA9.A$26.20B13.3A$27.17B15.A$27.16B$24.14B
.B$16.2A6.15B$17.A5.15B$17.A.AB2.15B$18.2AB.15B$20.20B$20.20B$21.20B$
20.22B$18.24B$16.25B$16.2BC13B.10B$15.3BCBC4B.7B2.2B4.2A$16.2B3C4B2.
3B.B4.B4.A$15.5BC4B4.2B2A3.2A4.3A$14.10B4.BA2.A4.A6.A$13.4B12.3A5.A.A
$13.3B22.2A$11.4B14.3A$11.2A16.A2.A$12.A18.2A$9.3A$9.A!
Still have to worry about that natural h-glider coming down, but at least the above is 2nd way

and this for style points:

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x = 74, y = 74, rule = LifeHistory
3$63.4B$62.4B$61.4B$60.4B$59.4B$58.4B$57.4B4.2E$41.E14.4B5.E$41.3E11.
4B3.BE.E$44.E9.6B2.B2E$43.2E8.10B$28.2B13.4B5.12B$27.4B14.2B3.14B$27.
5B12.21B$26.6B11.22B$25.8B9.22B$25.8B9.24B$25.10B.2B3.22B.2E$24.10B2E
28BEBE$23.11BEBE17B3.6B.B2E$15.2E5.13BE18B3.6B2.B$16.E5.32B5.3B$16.E.
EB.33B$17.2EB.33B$19.36B.BE$19.13B3.B.B4.B2E11BE.E$19.14B10.2E11B.2E$
15.2E4.12B14.8B$14.B2E2B.12B16.6B$15.16B18.3B$16.10B5.2B$16.10B5.2E$
16.10B5.E$16.10B6.3E$16.10B8.E$16.10B$8.2C6.4B.5B$7.B2CB5.B.B2.5B$8.
3B11.9B$7.B.B.B2.B6.9B$7.9B5.9B$4.B2.10B4.10B$4.B.12B3.10B$3.16B2.11B
$4.16B.5BD5B$4.21B3D5BA.2A$6.16BD2BD5B2.2A.A$6.17BD7B$6.17B2D6B$7.15B
2D6B$5.17BD7B$5.14B.7B.3B$5.13B4.B.B3.B2A$5.2B3C7B5.B2AB2.BA.A$5.4BC
6B7.2A4.B2A$3.3BCB2C4B13.4B$2.4B2C6B13.2A$3.10B15.A$5.7B13.3A$7.3B15.
A$5.5B$5.2A.B$6.A.BA2.2A$4.A.A.A.A2.A$4.2A2.A.2A$8.A$7.2A!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: July 13th, 2022, 1:34 am
by Kazyan
Small 180 degree reflector:

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x = 19, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
14b2o$14bo$obo9bobo$b2o9b2o$bo3$11b2o$11b2o3b2o$15bo2bo2$14bo$b2o11bo
2bo$bo5b2o3b2ob2o$2b3o2b2o3b3o$4bo8bo$2b2o$2bo$3bo8b2o$2b2o8b2o!
The Coe's p8 does its job in every phase, so even though this is strictly-speaking a periodic reflector, it can be used as if it were stable.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: July 13th, 2022, 9:55 am
by dvgrn
Kazyan wrote: July 13th, 2022, 1:34 am Small 180 degree reflector... The Coe's p8 does its job in every phase, so even though this is strictly-speaking a periodic reflector, it can be used as if it were stable.
Nice find! Besides the SKOP improvements, along with actual real useful uses yet to be discovered, this will probably turn out to make a number of awkward cleanup problems at least slightly less awkward. Two that come to mind are reducing the repeat time of the un-suppressed Fx119 from 231 to 190 ticks, with some minor cost in increased weirdness:

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x = 131, y = 78, rule = LifeHistory
102.4B$103.4B$104.4B$105.4B$106.4B$54.2A51.4B$53.B2AB11.2A.A.2A33.4B$
54.3B4.A.2A.A2.A.2A2.A30.7B$53.B.B5.2A.A.2A.A4.A.A13.A13.9B$53.5B8.B
2.5A.A12.3A12.11B$53.6B6.2ABA4.A13.A16.13B$53.8B4.2A.A.A3.A12.2A15.
14B$54.13B2.A.A3.A9.4B14.16B$52.13B5.A3.2A8.3B15.17B$51.15B3.B14.4B
14.18B$51.15B3.2B12.5B13.19B$50.17B.4B11.6B12.20B$50.29B2.8B13.20B$
49.9B2D2B2A11BD14B10.21B$48.9BDBD2B2A9B3D13B11.21B$47.2AB3.6BD13BDBD
4B.7B12.19B$46.A2.A4.19BD15B12.17B$45.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B11.18B$45.A
7.6B14.17B8.20B$44.2A6.9B14.15B.2B2.22B$51.4B4.2A15.22BD18B$50.4B5.A
16.8B.13BDBD14B$49.4B7.3A11.8B3.2B2A9B3D13B$48.3CB10.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A
11BD13B$47.3BC24.A10.28B$47.2BC22.3A12.B.3B.4B2.15B$48.B23.A19.4B2.
16B$91.4B2.9B.8B$90.4B2.4B.4B3.6B$89.4B2.4B3.2B3.6B$79.2A7.4B2.4B9.7B
$73.A.2A.A.A6.4B2.4B9.9B$73.2A.A.A7.4B2.4B11.9B$77.2AB5.4B2.4B12.10B$
77.2B5.4B2.4B11.14B$78.2B3.5B.4B10.B.2B2A11BD$77.B2AB.10B10.2A3B2A9B
3DB$78.2A11B11.2A14BDBD$79.B.9B13.15BD$82.7B12.5B2.B2.2B2.2B12.C$74.B
7.2B2AB.3B10.2A4.3B18.C.C$73.2AB.B2A3.B2AB2.2A11.A3.B2AB18.C.C$73.2A
2B3A3.4B2.A9.3A5.2A20.C$74.B.2BAB2A2.2B4.3A6.A$76.3BA2B.AB7.A$78.BA4B
AB$78.2BA.2BA$83.A23$.2C$C.C$2.C!
And there's this old H-to-G that you can do terrible things to, at some cost to the repeat time of the old boojum-reflector or rectifier versions, but you get the second natural glider out instead of the first, along with the SE19T42 one:

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x = 136, y = 86, rule = LifeHistory
103.4B$104.4B$105.4B16.B$106.4B14.3A.A2B$107.4B12.B5A2B$108.4B4.A7.2B
.2A4B$109.4B3.3A4.2B2.BA2BAB.B$110.4B5.A2.4B3.2A3B2A$58.2A51.4B3.2A2.
B2AB3.BAB.B2A$57.B2AB11.2A.A.2A33.4B2.3B.B2A2B7.B$58.3B4.A.2A.A2.A.2A
2.A30.7B3.7B$57.B.B5.2A.A.2A.A4.A.A13.A14.9B.9B.B$57.5B8.B2.5A.A12.3A
13.21B2A$57.6B6.2ABA4.A13.A15.20B.B2AB$57.8B4.2A.A.A3.A12.2A13.20B3.
2B$58.13B2.A.A3.A9.4B13.19B5.2B$56.13B5.A3.2A8.3B15.18B5.B2A$55.15B3.
B14.4B15.17B6.A.A.2A$55.15B3.2B12.5B8.2A5.17B4.A.A.2A.A$54.17B.4B11.
6B8.A5.18B3.2A$54.29B2.8B8.A.AB3.18B$53.9B2D2B2A11BD14B8.2AB.19B$52.
9BDBD2B2A9B3D13B11.21B$51.2AB3.6BD13BDBD4B.7B12.20B$50.A2.A4.19BD15B
12.19B$49.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B11.20B$49.A7.6B14.17B8.22B$48.2A6.9B14.
15B.2B2.25B.2B$55.4B4.2A15.22BD23B2A$54.4B5.A16.8B.13BDBD19B.B2A$53.
4B7.3A11.8B3.2B2A9B3D4B.14B2.B$52.3CB10.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD4B2.14B$
51.3BC24.A10.18B2.9B.6B$51.2BC22.3A12.B.3B.4B2.2B5.11B2.4B$52.B23.A
10.2A7.4B2.3B4.13B2.4B$81.A.2A.A.A6.4B2.4B4.13B3.4B$81.2A.A.A7.4B2.4B
4.13B5.4B$85.2AB5.4B2.4B4.14B6.4B$85.2B5.4B2.4B5.13B8.4B$86.2B3.5B.4B
6.13B9.3B$85.B2AB.10B7.13B10.2B$86.2A11B9.11B$87.B.9B$90.7B$82.B7.2B
2AB.3B$81.2AB.B2A3.B2AB2.2A$81.2A2B3A3.4B2.A$82.B.2BAB2A2.2B4.3A$84.
3BA2B.AB7.A$86.BA4BAB$86.2BA.2BA$91.A32$2C$.2C$C!
EDIT: It successfully un-doubles the old L156-based period doubler that supports the beehive-and-eater attachment to get an extra glider output:

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x = 60, y = 74, rule = LifeHistory
34.2C$33.C2.C$34.2C4$33.8B$33.9B$33.9B$33.9B$34.4B3DB$35.4BD2B$35.2B
3D2B$36.6B$36.7B$36.8B$37.8B$37.8B$36.6B2.B$36.7B.B$37.6B$37.6B$37.6B
$36.8B$35.8B$35.9B$35.9B$34.10B$34.3B2A5B$33.4B2A5B$33.11B$28.2A.A12B
$28.A.2A2.8B$35.7B$36.6B$36.6B$35.7B$36.8B$29.A6.8B9.A$29.3A4.7B8.3A$
20.A11.A2.7B.B6.A$20.3A8.2A3.B2D3B.2B5.2A$23.A7.6B2D13B$22.2A3.B5.17B
9.B$22.8B2.15B2A2B7.2B$24.22BA2BA2B5.3B$24.23B2A3B4.4B$23.19B3.9B.4B$
21.21B4.12B$14.2B2.25B4.10B$14.7BC14B4.4B3.9B$14.7BCBC4B.6B6.4B.9B$
14.7B3C4B2.B.5B5.4B.7B$14.9BC4B7.2A6.10B$14.13B8.A8.4B.2B$14.B.4B2.2B
12.3A6.4B$6.2A7.4B2.3B14.A7.4B$A.2A.A.A6.4B2.4B23.4B$2A.A.A7.4B2.4B
25.4B$4.2AB5.4B2.4B27.4B$4.2B5.4B2.4B29.4B$5.2B3.5B.4B31.4B$4.B2AB.
10B$5.2A11B$6.B.9B$9.7B$.B7.2B2AB.3B$2AB.B2A3.B2AB2.2A$2A2B3A3.4B2.A$
.B.2BAB2A2.2B4.3A$3.3BA2B.AB7.A$5.BA4BAB$5.2BA.2BA$10.A!
That could be kind of handy ... sometimes ... maybe? Could be set up to suppress a signal that follows another one too closely, and send out a glider on a separate lane to indicate that a suppression happened, while letting wider-spaced signals through unaltered. Probably we already had a perfectly good way to do that, but it's still a nice trick.

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: July 14th, 2022, 12:41 am
by Kazyan
R-to-G that won't fit in most situations, but it's worth recording:

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x = 26, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory
4B$.4B$2.4B$3.4B$4.4B10.2A$5.4B9.A.A.2A.A$6.4B10.A.A.2A$7.4B8.B2A$8.
9B3.2B$8.7BA5B$8.5B3A6B$8.6BA8B$8.15B$9.13B$11.9B$11.8B$11.8B$11.7B$
12.6B$11.5B.B2A$10.BA2B3.BA.A$10.A.A7.A$11.A8.2A!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: July 14th, 2022, 2:05 am
by Sokwe
Mitchell Riley posted a new glider-releasing H-to-R on Discord:

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x = 29, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
9.A12.2D$A8.3A5.B3.DBD$3A9.A3.7BD$3.A7.2A3.7B$2.2A3.B3.11B$2.8B3.8B$
4.16B$4.16B$3.19B$.21B$24B.2B$BE26BD$BEBE4B.8BA8B3D$B3E4B2.B.4BABA8BD
$3BE4B7.A2BA7B$7B8.B2A8B$15.10B$13.2AB2.5B$12.A.AB2.4B$12.A6.B$11.2A!
This conduit can support signals following at a compression of only 57 ticks while still releasing the glider. The repeat time is actually only 37 ticks, but I don't know of any compatible R-to-X converters with a repeat time lower than 57.

I used hersrch to construct new smallest known p59, p61, p67, and p77 guns with this new conduit based on Herschel conduit suggestions by Adam P. Goucher and Dave Greene.

The output glider can be deleted without increasing the bounding box of the conduit:

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x = 29, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
9.A7.2A$A8.3A4.B2AB3.2A$3A9.A4.2B4.A$3.A7.2A3.3B.BA.A$2.2A3.B3.10B2A$
2.8B3.9B$4.17B$4.16B$3.19B$.21B$24B.2B$BE26BD$BEBE4B.8BA8B3D$B3E4B2.B
.4BABA8BD$3BE4B7.A2BA7B$7B8.B2A8B$15.10B$13.2AB2.5B$12.A.AB2.4B$12.A
6.B$11.2A!

Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Posted: July 23rd, 2022, 11:53 pm
by Kazyan
Stable G-to-H with a repeat time of 61:

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x = 34, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
10.2A.2A$11.A.A$6.2A.A5.A.2A$5.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$4.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$4.
7AB.B7A$8.3B.B.3B$6.3AB.3B.B3A$B4.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$2B3.2A3.BABAB3.2A$2BC
7.BABAB$CBCB6.2BA2B.B$.2C2B6.B.B.5B3.2B2.2B$2.4B4.20BD$3.4B3.20BDBD$
4.4B2.9B2A9B3DB$5.4B.9B2A11BD$6.25B$7.9B2.B2.3B.4B$8.9B7.4B$.2A5.9B6.
4B$.A.A4.9B6.2A$3.A4.2B2A3B.B2A5.A$3.3A.2BA2BA2B.BA.A.3A$.2A2.BA3BABA
B5.A.A$A2.4A4BA4B3.2A$2A.A.4B5.2A$3.A.2A7.A$3.A.A9.3A$2.2A.A.A9.A$6.
2A!
It has the same color and G-to-H angle as the syringe, so I'm not sure how much use it will get compared to the syringe itself, but it's definitely something.
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