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Re: Thread for basic questions

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Resu wrote: July 16th, 2025, 2:42 pmNo, I wanted to know about the original one.
Offhand I'm not seeing that that old message posted anywhere. Here's the relevant part:
On 30 September 1992, Alan Wechsler wrote:Subject: Who called that HWSS a [27deee6]?

> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:17 EDT
> From: John Conway
>
> ... I have been noting down life configurations in octal for quite a
> long time. So the trouble is that the speakers of this language have
> hitherto been solipsistic! Let's get everyone talking it. JHC

Well then, let's get a formal description down in the archives:

Life patterns that fit in fairly small rectangles can be described by
short character strings as follows. Each column is represented by one
character. Each row is assigned a "weight"; the bottom row has weight
1, the next weight 2, the next 4, the next 8, and so on. A column is
assigned a score by adding the weights of the live cells in that column.
The character that represents the column is then the nth character in
the following (0-origin) string: "0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz",
although encoding columns more than 4 rows tall is deprecated. (In
other words, we deprecate the use of characters to the right of "f".)

To mark representations of this sort, we recommend enclosure in square
brackets. For example, [153] is a male glider and [532] a female one.

We usually prefer the bounding rectangle of the pattern be chosen,
although there are times when this is unwieldy; for example, "A blinker
has two phases, [070] and [222].". Here the bounding rectangle has been
chosen to retain a coordinate frame between phases. This issue should
seldom arise; the recommended use of this notation is to describe single
patterns, usually for purposes of naming: "We call the p2 oscillator
[318c] a `beacon'.".

Some notes on canonicalization. Even assuming that the bounding
rectangle is chosen, there are still, in general, 8 orientations to
choose from. We recommend putting the rectangle in "landscape" rather
than "portrait" orientation, so that it has no fewer rows than columns.
Then choose the orientation with the numerically smallest representation.
When describing an oscillator, pick the phase with the smallest number
of rows, breaking ties by choosing the numerically smallest
representation. Thus, the blinker is [111] rather than [7]; the glider
is shown in male phase [153] rather than in female [163]; the eater is
[178c]; and the toad is always shown resting [1332] rather than panting
[2994]. And, oddly enough, we prefer the more populous but squatter
phase of the HWSS, [27deee6], to having to use big digits in [21hh197].
HWSSes are still encoded as 27deee6 in modern apgcodes -- one of the four-rows-tall phases.

I'm not sure why encoding five-rows-tall patterns was "deprecated"; the extension that happened to make "Extended Wechsler format" seems to have been un-deprecating the sixteen additional characters, g through v, that allow five-row encoding.
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Re: Thread for basic questions

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pifricted wrote: July 10th, 2025, 9:51 am Is there a rule is CU but no demonoid or orthogonoid, becauce to build any things need an even larger object to store?
I think Banks-IV answers this question.

Q:
How does ADD, SUB and MUL components work? What sub-components are used inside them?

EDIT: Nevermind. Help me test this.

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Could two orthogonal spaceships support a glider bouncing back and forth infinitely between them?
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Haycat2009 wrote: July 18th, 2025, 3:59 am Could two orthogonal spaceships support a glider bouncing back and forth infinitely between them?
Depending on your definition of "spaceship" and "bounce", sure. Here's a candidate from 8 June 1998, by David Bell:

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x = 747, y = 150, rule = B3/S23
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ob2obo22b2o5b2o625b2o5b2o22bob2obo5bobobobo5bob2obo$o3bobo3b5ob5o3bob
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5b3obo16bo23bo$44b2o21b2o609b2o21b2o$44b5o15b5o609b5o15b5o$47b2o15b2o
615b2o15b2o8$46bo7bo637bo7bo$40b2obobob2o3b2obobob2o625b2obobob2o3b2o
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o619bo3bobo5bobo5bobo3bo$41b2o6bobo6b2o627b2o6bobo6b2o$38b2o9bobo9b2o
621b2o9bobo9b2o$38b2ob2o15b2ob2o621b2ob2o15b2ob2o$42bo15bo629bo15bo6$
51b2o5b2o627b2o5b2o$43b4obobobo5bobobob4o27b2o5b2o539b2o5b2o27b4obobo
bo5bobobob4o$42b3obobob2obo3bob2obobob3o18b4obobobo5bobobob4o523b4obo
bobo5bobobob4o18b3obobob2obo3bob2obobob3o$42bo3bobo13bobo3bo17b3obobo
b2obo3bob2obobob3o521b3obobob2obo3bob2obobob3o17bo3bobo13bobo3bo$43bo
b3o5b2ob2o5b3obo18bo3bobo13bobo3bo521bo3bobo13bobo3bo18bob3o5b2ob2o5b
3obo$43b2o21b2o19bob3o5b2ob2o5b3obo523bob3o5b2ob2o5b3obo19b2o21b2o$43b
5o15b5o19b2o21b2o523b2o21b2o19b5o15b5o$46b2o15b2o22b5o15b5o523b5o15b5o
22b2o15b2o$90b2o15b2o529b2o15b2o17$46b2o5b2o5b2o5b2o609b2o5b2o5b2o5b2o
$44bo3bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3bo3bo605bo3bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$44bo3bobob3o5b3o
bobo3bo605bo3bobob3o5b3obobo3bo$44bo5b2o2b3ob3o2b2o5bo18bo3b3o5b3o3bo
531bo3b3o5b3o3bo18bo5b2o2b3ob3o2b2o5bo$44b2ob3o15b3ob2o15b2ob5ob2o3b2o
b5ob2o525b2ob5ob2o3b2ob5ob2o15b2ob3o15b3ob2o$44bo25bo13bob2obo5bobobo
bo5bob2obo521bob2obo5bobobobo5bob2obo13bo25bo$45bo3bo15bo3bo13bo3bobo
3b5ob5o3bobo3bo519bo3bobo3b5ob5o3bobo3bo13bo3bo15bo3bo$46bo2bo15bo2bo
18b3o5b2o3b2o5b3o527b3o5b2o3b2o5b3o18bo2bo15bo2bo$84bo2bob3o13b3obo2b
o521bo2bob3o13b3obo2bo$86bo23bo525bo23bo!
I'm sure there are much smaller and closer-together convoys that can do the same kind of trick at a much lower period. I just grabbed the first example I saw, to see if it matches what you're looking for. There are a lot of these high-period traveling glider-loop spaceships -- c/5 ones using spiders, c/10 ones using copperheads and fireships, etc.

If the above is too complicated to be a "bounce", what are the criteria for a successful bounce?
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What mathematical constant calculators have been created?

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Resu wrote: July 21st, 2025, 10:26 am What mathematical constant calculators have been created?
I can remember pi, phi, e, sqrt(2), and the April Fool's inverse-of-the-fine-structure-constant calculator.

It's quite easy these days to compile calculator patterns for lots of other constants, though. See 9.6.1, Computing Other Constants in the Life textbook.
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Is this a wave?

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x = 10, y = 77, rule = B3/S23
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dvgrn wrote: July 18th, 2025, 11:29 am
Haycat2009 wrote: July 18th, 2025, 3:59 am Could two orthogonal spaceships support a glider bouncing back and forth infinitely between them?
Depending on your definition of "spaceship" and "bounce", sure. Here's a candidate from 8 June 1998, by David Bell:

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x = 747, y = 150, rule = B3/S23
34bo5bo665bo5bo$33b3o3b3o663b3o3b3o$32bobobobobobo661bobobobobobo$31b
3ob2ob2ob3o659b3ob2ob2ob3o$32bobobobobobo661bobobobobobo$12bo7bo12b3o
3b3o12bo7bo621bo7bo12b3o3b3o12bo7bo$6b2obobob2o3b2obobob2o7bo5bo7b2ob
obob2o3b2obobob2o609b2obobob2o3b2obobob2o7bo5bo7b2obobob2o3b2obobob2o
$3b3obob3o9b3obob3o15b3obob3o9b3obob3o603b3obob3o9b3obob3o15b3obob3o9b
3obob3o$3bo3bobo5bobo5bobo3bo4b2o9bo3bobo5bobo5bobo3bo603bo3bobo5bobo
5bobo3bo9b2o4bo3bobo5bobo5bobo3bo$7b2o6bobo6b2o7bo2bo12b2o6bobo6b2o611b
2o6bobo6b2o12bo2bo7b2o6bobo6b2o$4b2o9bobo9b2o5b2o10b2o9bobo9b2o605b2o
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b3o605b3obobob2obo3bob2obobob3o$44bo3bobo13bobo3bo605bo3bobo13bobo3bo
$45bob3o5b2ob2o5b3obo607bob3o5b2ob2o5b3obo$45b2o21b2o607b2o21b2o$45b5o
15b5o607b5o15b5o$48b2o15b2o613b2o15b2o5$75b3o3b3o579b3o3b3o$74bo3bobo
3bo577bo3bobo3bo$74bo3bobo3bo577bo3bobo3bo$74bo3bobo3bo577bo3bobo3bo$
75b3o3b3o579b3o3b3o$49bo3b3o5b3o3bo23bo3b3o5b3o3bo527bo3b3o5b3o3bo23b
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2ob5ob2o17b2ob5ob2o3b2ob5ob2o$44bob2obo5bobobobo5bob2obo3b2o8bob2obo5b
obobobo5bob2obo517bob2obo5bobobobo5bob2obo8b2o3bob2obo5bobobobo5bob2o
bo$43bo3bobo3b5ob5o3bobo3bobo2bo6bo3bobo3b5ob5o3bobo3bo515bo3bobo3b5o
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3b2o5b3o523b3o5b2o3b2o5b3o11b2o6b3o5b2o3b2o5b3o$44bo2bob3o13b3obo2bo13b
o2bob3o13b3obo2bo517bo2bob3o13b3obo2bo13bo2bob3o13b3obo2bo$46bo23bo17b
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5b3o3bo$3b2ob5ob2o3b2ob5ob2o691b2ob5ob2o3b2ob5ob2o$bob2obo5bobobobo5b
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bobob2o$37b3obob3o9b3obob3o619b3obob3o9b3obob3o$37bo3bobo5bobo5bobo3b
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51b2o5b2o627b2o5b2o$43b4obobobo5bobobob4o27b2o5b2o539b2o5b2o27b4obobo
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b2obo3bob2obobob3o521b3obobob2obo3bob2obobob3o17bo3bobo13bobo3bo$43bo
b3o5b2ob2o5b3obo18bo3bobo13bobo3bo521bo3bobo13bobo3bo18bob3o5b2ob2o5b
3obo$43b2o21b2o19bob3o5b2ob2o5b3obo523bob3o5b2ob2o5b3obo19b2o21b2o$43b
5o15b5o19b2o21b2o523b2o21b2o19b5o15b5o$46b2o15b2o22b5o15b5o523b5o15b5o
22b2o15b2o$90b2o15b2o529b2o15b2o17$46b2o5b2o5b2o5b2o609b2o5b2o5b2o5b2o
$44bo3bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3bo3bo605bo3bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$44bo3bobob3o5b3o
bobo3bo605bo3bobob3o5b3obobo3bo$44bo5b2o2b3ob3o2b2o5bo18bo3b3o5b3o3bo
531bo3b3o5b3o3bo18bo5b2o2b3ob3o2b2o5bo$44b2ob3o15b3ob2o15b2ob5ob2o3b2o
b5ob2o525b2ob5ob2o3b2ob5ob2o15b2ob3o15b3ob2o$44bo25bo13bob2obo5bobobo
bo5bob2obo521bob2obo5bobobobo5bob2obo13bo25bo$45bo3bo15bo3bo13bo3bobo
3b5ob5o3bobo3bo519bo3bobo3b5ob5o3bobo3bo13bo3bo15bo3bo$46bo2bo15bo2bo
18b3o5b2o3b2o5b3o527b3o5b2o3b2o5b3o18bo2bo15bo2bo$84bo2bob3o13b3obo2b
o521bo2bob3o13b3obo2bo$86bo23bo525bo23bo!
I'm sure there are much smaller and closer-together convoys that can do the same kind of trick at a much lower period. I just grabbed the first example I saw, to see if it matches what you're looking for. There are a lot of these high-period traveling glider-loop spaceships -- c/5 ones using spiders, c/10 ones using copperheads and fireships, etc.

If the above is too complicated to be a "bounce", what are the criteria for a successful bounce?
Are there any that use sparks to bounce the gliders?
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Haycat2009 wrote: July 23rd, 2025, 2:51 am Are there any that use sparks to bounce the gliders?
I don't have an example for just bouncing between two spaceships, but if you allow multiple bounces then there are solutions.

The one shown here uses only duoplet sparks, which is as simple as you can get.

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islptng wrote: March 8th, 2025, 4:29 am I want a precompiled one. RPi 4b, Raspberry Pi OS(i.e. debian), I hope Golly 4.3
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Who created Life 1.06?

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Resu wrote: July 25th, 2025, 4:30 am Who created Life 1.06?
Whether you mean the file format or the Life simulator/editor program, it was Alan Hensel. Life 1.05 format was invented around 1991 based on an older Xlife format.

By April 1995, Alan Hensel's program had been bumped up to version 1.06, and apparently supported either RLE or a coordinate list after a "#Life 1.06" header (and still also supported Life 1.05 format of course). Kellie Evans described the program as "Life 1.06 (which runs Conway's Game of Life at an amazingly fast rate)".
On 10 Feb 1996 Alan Hensel wrote:Subject: #Life 1.05 pattern format

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> What's Alan's format?

It's the "#Life 1.05" or ".LIF" format.

It is a format designed to be readable by text editors, easy to edit, and fairly compact. I designed it back around 1991 based on what I remembered of the Xlife format, so the two formats are very similar.

Xlife can read my patterns with little difficulty. Also, WLife and WinLife for Windows, and Andrew Trevorrow's LifeLab 3.0 for the Mac all can read my patterns.
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What patterns are named after insects? Why?

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Resu wrote: July 26th, 2025, 4:07 pm What patterns are named after insects? Why?
Some self-supporting spaceships are named after insects, such as leaf bug and water strider, but I think the fact they are named after insects is just a coincidence - crawler-based spaceships are usually named after bugs, which is probably based on the first such example, the Caterpillar, which is probably named because caterpillars crawl to move.

(Assuming that 'insect' has to fit the Wikipedia definition.)
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What is stdin? This?

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Resu wrote: July 27th, 2025, 8:19 am What is stdin? This?
In the context of apgsearch, stdin symmetries allow you to use RLEs in a text file as substitution for soups - see Tutorials/Catagolue stdin symmetry. As far as I am aware, it is currently only supported by v5, but I should be able to work on porting it to v1.1 Py3 once I get program-side object verification working.

The two largest stdin symmetries for b3s23 are moog_stdin and 5Glider_stdin, and in the case of the latter, contributing involves using a C++ program to generate the RLEs and then use apgsearch to census them.
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How can this be attached to a 2c/3 Wire?

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x = 20, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
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2bo$b6o2bobo2b3o$9bobo$3b6o3b5o$3bo13bo$4b3o7b3o$6bo7bo$4b2o4bo4b2o$4b
o4bobo4bo$b2obo4bobo4bob2o$bobo6bo6bobo2$9b3o$9b4o$8bo3bo!

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Resu wrote: July 28th, 2025, 4:00 am How can this be attached to a 2c/3 Wire?
The signal heading northwest is already following a short segment of 2c/3 wire. It's possible to attach another 2c/3 wire at 90 degrees. You can find examples in the "Faster 2c/3 Wires" thread, for example.
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Does there exist any 3c wicks? Or any wicks with a speed greater than c for that matter?
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hotcrystal0 wrote: July 28th, 2025, 2:59 pm Does there exist any 3c wicks? Or any wicks with a speed greater than c for that matter?
Does this count as a 3c wick?

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x = 56, y = 8, rule = B3/S23:T57,57
32b2o2bo$8b2o2bo9bobobob6o6bob2o2bo$o3b6o3bob2ob3obo2bobo4bo4b2ob4o4bo
bo2b2o$b3o4b2o3bob2o5bo2b3o3bo2b4o6b2o2bob2o3bo$b3o4b2o3bob2o5bo2b3o3b
o2b4o6b2o2bob2o3bo$o3b6o3bob2ob3obo2bobo4bo4b2ob4o4bobo2b2o$8b2o2bo9bo
bobob6o6bob2o2bo$32b2o2bo!
Its stationary period is 19, but the left edge moves at 3c.

EDIT: This is a rediscovery, it appears to have been originally described in this 2012 post by Jackk.
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Are there unit cells for generation rules?

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Resu wrote: July 29th, 2025, 5:28 pm Are there unit cells for generation rules?
Technically possible, but it would be much easier to implement that in a processor instead.
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Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: July 4th, 2024, 1:25 am
2c/3 receiver, now down to repeat time 708:
In something of a bump for this avenue of discussion, how fast of a repeat time can the receiver be overclocked to?

Also bumping to see if newer discoveries (e.g. the herschel splitter) can perhaps help reduce the repeat time to below 700

EDIT: Good job! Below 600 definitely seems possible now (Perhaps getting below 500 too?)
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How common is this active region?

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Resu wrote: August 2nd, 2025, 2:36 am How common is this active region?

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2o$obo$2bo$o2bo$b3o$2bo!

I'm getting only three octo3obj resultss, and it's not appearing in the top 3980 in census.rle.
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Periods discovered:

All evens ≤128 except 52,58,78,82,92,94,98,104,118,122

5-15,㉕-㉛,㉟㊺,51,63,65,73,75
1㊳㊵㊹㊼㊽,54,56,72,74,80,90,92
217,240,300,486,576

Guns: 20,21,32,54,55,57,114,117,124,126
SKOPs: 32,74,76,102,196
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