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Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: March 2nd, 2017, 7:43 pm
by Goldtiger997
Extrementhusiast wrote: ...

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x = 57, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
36bobo$36b2o$37bo6$12bo$10bobo$11b2o2$6bobo11bo$7b2o10bo5bobo$7bo11b3o
3b2o$26bo$15bo$13b2o$14b2o17bobo$33b2o$34bo$23bobo$23b2o$24bo$13b2o35b
2o$11bo2bo35bo3b2o$11b3o11bo25bobobo$24b2o$b2o8b5o8bobo24b2o2bo$obo7bo
2bo2bo36bo2bo$2bo7b2o3b2o38b2o3$25b3o$25bo$26bo$b2o$obo6bo$2bo6b2o$8bo
bo9bo$19b2o$5bo13bobo$5b2o$4bobo!
Great Job!!!

It gives a synthesis for muttering moat 1 in 21 gliders:

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x = 140, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
119bobo$119b2o$120bo6$95bo$93bobo$22bobo69b2o$obo19b2o$b2o20bo65bobo
11bo$bo88b2o10bo5bobo$5bobo82bo11b3o3b2o$6b2o101bo$6bo91bo$96b2o$97b2o
17bobo$116b2o$117bo$106bobo$106b2o$107bo$56b2o38b2o35b2o$54bo2bo36bo2b
o35bo3b2o$54b3o37b3o11bo25bobobo$107b2o$54b5o25b2o8b5o8bobo24b2o2bo$
19bobo31bo2bo2bo23bobo7bo2bo2bo36bo2bo$19b2o3bobo26b2o3b2o25bo7b2o3b2o
38b2o$20bo3b2o$17bo7bo$15bobo90b3o$16b2o90bo$109bo$84b2o$83bobo6bo$85b
o6b2o$91bobo9bo$102b2o$88bo13bobo$88b2o$87bobo!
Now all oscillators up to 15-bits are synthesisable!
Extrementhusiast wrote: Oh yeah, just forgot to post the file:...
Are there any other syntheses like these that you have forgotten to post? :D


I think there are now only 4 16-bit oscillators without syntheses:

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x = 51, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
31bo13bobo$2o13b2o4b2o6bobobo11bo2b2o$obo2b3o7bobo4bo6bo5bo7bo2b2o$19b
obo6bobo4bobo11b2o$o2b2obo8bo2bo11bo5bo6b2o$bo5bo8bo3b3o9bobobo12bo$bo
4b2o8bo17bo10bobo$47bo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: March 2nd, 2017, 10:32 pm
by Kazyan
Final step for #3 there:

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x = 26, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
3bo$bobo$2b2o3$2bo$obo$b2o2$14bo$14bobo4bo$6bo7b2o3b2o$7b2o11b2o$6b2o$
12bo4b2o$11bobo3bobo$11bo2bo2bo$12b2o2$10bo$8b2o6bo$10b2o2b2o$9bo6b2o$
15bo2$12b2o$8bo2bo2bo$6bobo3bobo$7b2o4bo$18b2o$4b2o11b2o$5b2o3b2o7bo$
4bo4bobo$11bo2$23b2o$23bobo$23bo3$22b2o$22bobo$22bo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: March 3rd, 2017, 2:47 am
by mniemiec
Kazyan wrote:Final step for #3 there: ...
Very nice! A minor improvement; saves 1 glider in cleanup on both sides:
EDIT: Complete synthesis from 24 gliders:

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x = 151, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
124bo$123bo$87bobo33b3o$82bo4boo40bo$83bo4bo38boo5bo$81b3o35bo8boo3bo$
89bo30bo12b3o$88bo29b3o$88b3o$3bobo39bo59bo19bo$3boo41boo56bobo17bobo
4boo$4bo40boo57bobbo16bobbobboo$105boo18boo5bo$o48bobo92bo$boo19bo19bo
6boo11bo19bo19bo19bo19bobobo$oo20bobo17bobo5bo11bobo3bo13bobo3bo13bobo
3bo13bobo3bo13bo5bo$4boo15bobo17bobo17bobo4bobo10bobo4bobo10bobo4bobo
10bobo4bobo10bobo4bobo$3boo18bo19bo4b3o12bo3bobo13bo3bobo13bo3bobo13bo
3bobo13bo5bo$5bo42bo20bo19bo19bo19bo15bobobo$49bo97bo$bo103boo12bo5boo
$boo43boo56bobbo12boobbobbo$obo42bobo57bobo11boo4bobo$47bo58bo19bo$81b
3o$83bo47b3o$82bo33b3o12bo$88b3o27bo3boo8bo$83bo4bo28bo5boo$83boo4bo
32bo$82bobo41b3o$128bo$127bo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: April 22nd, 2017, 3:59 am
by Goldtiger997
mniemiec wrote: I didn't see any errors, although there are a few minor stylistic things:...
Thanks, I've fixed these, and I think have followed those guidelines for the updated version posted below.
I am curious, when and where did the synthesis for "8G 14-bit P2 #1" come from? The best one I had was 12 gliders, by Extrementhusiast 2015-01-05. Also, "30G 14 bit P2 #4"? The best one I had was from 40 gliders. Where did the improved base still-life synthesis come from?
here and here.

Here are the cheapest syntheses for all oscillators up to 15 bits:
oscill3-15.7z
(7.26 KiB) Downloaded 361 times
There probably are mistakes.

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: April 26th, 2017, 1:05 am
by Kazyan
Final step for Bismuth's p3:

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x = 57, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
31bobo$34bo$34bo$31bo2bo$32b3o4$2bobo$3b2o$3bo$23bobo$24b2o$24bo$18bob
o$19b2o$19bo$34bo$14bobo16bobo4bobo$15b2o15bobo5b2o$15bo15bobo7bo$30bo
bo$3b4o22bobo13b2o$2bo3bo21bobo13b2o$6bo20bobo4bo11bo$2bo2bo20bobo4bob
o3bo$13bo11bobo5b2o4bobo$11bobo10bobo4b2o6b2o$12b2o11bo4bobo$29bobo$
29bo$19b2o3b2obobo$19b2o2bobob2o26b2o$24bo29b2o$o2bo52bo$4bo23b2ob2o$o
3bo16b2ob2o3bobobo$b4o15bobobobo2bobobo$19bobo3bo4b2ob2o8bo$18bobo21b
2o$17bobo22bobo$16bobo$17bo3bo$20bobo$19bo2bo$8b2o10b2o19bo13bo$7bobo
21b2o7b2o12b2o$9bo20b2o8bobo11bobo$32bo5$31bo18b2o$30b3o17bobo$23b3o3b
2obo17bo$22bo2bo3b3o$25bo4b2o$25bo$22bobo$36b2o$36bobo$36bo!
This is what a synthesis looks like when it's juuuust within your skill level.

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: April 26th, 2017, 7:22 am
by dvgrn
Kazyan wrote:Final step for Bismuth's p3...

This is what a synthesis looks like when it's juuuust within your skill level.
Wow. Another stylish but expensive design from Kazyan's workshop --

Is there a known mechanism for building the very-times-N long barge in proximity to the boat-tie-eater thing? I'm sure it can be done somehow, but that construction stage doesn't look like it will be cheap either.

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: April 26th, 2017, 8:29 am
by Kazyan
dvgrn wrote:Is there a known mechanism for building the very-times-N long barge in proximity to the boat-tie-eater thing? I'm sure it can be done somehow, but that construction stage doesn't look like it will be cheap either.
I think you could just drop in a tub with that one pond+glider collision and then grow it out to desired length, two cells at a time. But let's wait until the others prune this step a little. There are at least two places on that long^8 barge where I simply whacked a problematic part with a wrench until it moved out of the way. :lol:

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: April 26th, 2017, 9:28 am
by mniemiec
Kazyan wrote:Final step for Bismuth's p3: ...
Nice! I haven't had the time to examine the starting constellation for feasibility, but I was able to shave off 8 gliders from the final step by replacing 3 of the spaceships:

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x = 139, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
58bobo$58boo$59bo6$36bo$35bo$35b3o$$21bobo$22boo$22bo$16bobo$17boo$17b
o$32bo$12bobo16bobo4bobo$13boo15bobo5boo$13bo15bobo7bo$28bobo$b4o22bob
o13boo$o3bo21bobo13boo$4bo20bobo4bo11bo$obbo20bobo4bobo3bo$11bo11bobo
5boo4bobo$9bobo10bobo4boo6boo35bo29bo29bo$10boo11bo4bobo42boo28boo28b
oo$27bobo61bo$7bo19bo43bobobbo15bo8bobobbo24bobobbo$5bobo9boo3boobobo
43bobobobo12b3o8bobobobo23bobobobo$6boo9boobboboboo37boo5bobobobbo15b
oo5bobobobbo22bobobobbo$22bo41boo7bo20boo7bo29bo$76bobo27bobo27bobo$
26booboo40bobo3bo23bobo3bo23bobo3bo$19booboo3bobobo40bo9bo19bo9bo19bo$
18bobobobobbobobo50bo29bo$17bobo3bo4booboo8bo40bo29bo$16bobo21boo$15bo
bo22bobo70boo$14bobo96bobo$15bo97bo3$6boo31bo$5bobo21boo7boo$7bo20boo
8bobo$23b3o4bo$23bo$24bo3$29bo$28b3o$27boobo$27b3o$28boo!
EDIT: Here is a full synthesis from 80 gliders:

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x = 317, y = 182, rule = B3/S23
146bo$144boo$145boo$$146bo$141bo3boo$142bobbobo$140b3o3$94bo$95boo44b
oo24bo22bo6bo29bo29bo29bo$94boo44bobo23bobo17bo3bobo3bobo27bobo27bobo
27bobo$142bo22bobo19bobboo3bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo$101bo63bo19b3o7bo29b
o29bo29bo$101bobo4bo54bobo27bobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo$41bo59boo
3boo55boo23boo3boo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo$42bo22bobo39boo78bobo30b
o29bo29bo$25boo13b3obboo18boo43boo77bo$4bobo17bobbo16bobbo18bo7boo18b
oo14bobo11booboo15booboo15booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo$5boo
17bobbo16bobbo27bo19bo14bo14bobobo15bobobo15bobobo25bobobo25bobobo25bo
bobo20boo3bobobo$5bo19boo18boo28bobobo15bobobo25bobobo15bobobo15bobobo
25bobobo25bobobo25bobobo20bobobbobobo$76boob3o14boob3o24booboo15booboo
15booboo25booboo25booboo17boo6booboo20bo4booboo$4boo76bo19bo4boo138bob
o$3bobo75boo18boo4bobo139bo$5bo101bo144boo$253boo$49boo201bo3boo$50boo
204bobo$49bo17b3o186bo$67bo$68bo10$126bo$127boo$126boo65bo$193bobo$
125bo67boobboo$125boo69boo$67bo56bobo71bo25bo29bo4bobo22bo$68bo3bo28b
oo28boo30bo29bo29bobo27bobo4boo21bobo$66b3oboo28bobbo26bobbo28bobo27bo
bo27bobo27bobo5bo21bobo$71boo27bobbo26bobbo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo8bo
18bobo4bo$17bo29bo29bo23boo4bo23boo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo22bob
o4bo3bo18bobo4bobo$16bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo22bo4bobo22bo4bobo22b
o4bobo22bo4bobobb3o17bo4bobo$15bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bob
o27bobo27bobo27bobo$15bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo$3bo6boobo
bo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boo
bobo24boobobo$bbo6boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo
24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo$bb3o5bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo
29bo29bo29bo$$3b3o8booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25boo
boo25booboo25booboo25booboo$5bo4boo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobo
bo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo
3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo$4bo5bobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo
16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo
16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo$
11bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16b
o3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo$7b
o$6boo$6bobo24$257bo$196bo60bobo$75bo120bobo58boobboo$14bo60bobo118boo
bboo58boo$14bobo58boobboo118boo61bo25bo$14boobboo58boo121bo25bo29bo29b
obo$17boo61bo25bo29bo29bo29bo29bobo27bobo27bobo$19bo25bo29bo29bobo27bo
bo7bo19bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo$14bo29bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo6boo
19bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo$13bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo8boo17bob
o4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo$12bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bob
o27bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo$11bobo4bo22bo
bo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo4bo17bobo5boo20bobo5boo20bobo5boo20bob
o5boo20bobo5boo$10bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bob
obboo16bobo4boo21bobo4boo21bobo4boo21bobo4boo21bobo4boo$11bo4bobo22bo
4bobo22bo4bobo22bo4bobo22bo4bobo3bobo16bo4bobo22bo4bobo22bo4bobo22bo4b
obo22bo4bobo$15bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27b
obo$15bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo$10boobobo24boobobo24boobo
bo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo$9bob
oboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24boboboo24b
oboboo24boboboo$10bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo29bo$$14booboo25b
ooboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo$
7booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bo
bobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17boob
oo3bobobo$6bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobo
bbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobb
obobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo$7bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16b
o3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo14b
obo3bo4booboo14bobo3bo4booboo14bobo3bo4booboo$182bo33bo29bo27bobo$183b
oo56bo33bo$182boobboo54boo$185bobo53boobboo$187bo56bobo$246bo5$236bobo
$236boo$237bo6$214bo$213bo$213b3o$$199bobo$200boo$79bo120bo$18bo60bobo
112bobo$18bobo58boobboo110boo$18boobboo58boo111bo$21boo61bo25bo29bo29b
o39bo$23bo25bo29bo29bobo27bobo27bobo18bobo16bobo4bobo$18bo29bobo27bobo
27bobo27bobo27bobo20boo15bobo5boo$17bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo
21bo15bobo7bo$16bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo37bobo$15bobo27bobo
27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo11b4o22bobo13boo$14bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bob
o27bobo11bo3bo21bobo13boo$13bobo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4bo22bobo4b
o22bobo4bo11bo20bobo4bo11bo$12bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bo
bo20bobo4bobo20bobo4bobo6bobbo20bobo4bobo3bo$11bobo5boo20bobo5boo20bob
o5boo20bobo5boo20bobo5boo20bobo5boo18bo11bobo5boo4bobo$10bobo4boo21bob
o4boo21bobo4boo21bobo4boo21bobo4boo21bobo4boo18bobo10bobo4boo6boo35bo
29bo29bo$11bo4bobo22bo4bobo22bo4bobo22bo4bobo22bo4bobo22bo4bobo19boo
11bo4bobo42boo28boo28boo$15bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo37bobo61b
o$15bo29bo29bo29bo19bo9bo29bo19bo19bo43bobobbo15bo8bobobbo24bobobbo$
10boobobo24boobobo24boobobo24boobobo17bobo4boobobo19boo3boobobo17bobo
9boo3boobobo43bobobobo12b3o8bobobobo23bobobobo$9boboboo24boboboo24bobo
boo24boboboo19boo3boboboo20boobboboboo19boo9boobboboboo37boo5bobobobbo
15boo5bobobobbo22bobobobbo$10bo29bo29bo29bo20boo7bo29bo39bo41boo7bo20b
oo7bo29bo$120bobo131bobo27bobo27bobo$14booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo
13bo11booboo25booboo35booboo40bobo3bo23bobo3bo23bobo3bo$7booboo3bobobo
17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3b
obobo27booboo3bobobo40bo9bo19bo9bo19bo$6bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobo
bo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo
26bobobobobbobobo50bo29bo$5bobo3bo4booboo14bobo3bo4booboo14bobo3bo4boo
boo14bobo3bo4booboo14bobo3bo4booboo14bobo3bo4booboo24bobo3bo4booboo8bo
40bo29bo$4bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo37bobo21boo$5bo27bobo27bob
o27bobo27bobo27bobo37bobo22bobo70boo$o33bo29bo27bobo27bobo27bobo37bobo
96bobo$boo56bo33bo29bo29bo39bo97bo$oobboo54boo$3bobo53boobboo$5bo56bob
o119boo31bo$64bo118bobo21boo7boo$185bo20boo8bobo$201b3o4bo$201bo$202bo
3$207bo$206b3o$205boobo$205b3o$206boo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: April 26th, 2017, 2:01 pm
by BobShemyakin
mniemiec wrote:
Kazyan wrote:Final step for Bismuth's p3: ...
...
EDIT: Here is a full synthesis from 80 gliders:

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rle
Reduced to 74G with start:

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x = 36, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo11bo$b2o9b2o$13b2o$29b2ob2o$16bo13bobobo$15b2o13bobobo$15bobo
13b2ob2o7$19b2o$4b2o13bobo$5b2o12bo$4bo!
Bob Shemyakin

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: May 11th, 2017, 9:33 pm
by Kazyan
Took a look at this again. A bit of improvement to the southwest:

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x = 35, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
obo17bo$b2o16bo$bo17b3o2$8bo17bo$6bobo15b2o$7b2o16b2o2$29bobo$29b2o$
30bo4$14b2o13bo$3bo9bo2bo12bobo$bobo9bo2bo4bo7b2o$2b2o10b2o4bobo$19bob
o$19bo$9b2o3b2obobo$9b2o2bobob2o$14bo2$18b2ob2o$11b2ob2o3bobobo$10bobo
bobo2bobobo$11bo3bo4b2ob2o8bo$32b2o$32bobo$10b3o$b2o$obo$2bo$31bo$21b
2o7b2o$20b2o8bobo$22bo5$21bo$20b3o$19b2obo$19b3o$20b2o!
EDIT: Big simplification to the long^8 barge workaround.

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: May 12th, 2017, 1:33 am
by mniemiec
Kazyan wrote:Took a look at this again. A bit of improvement to the southwest: ... EDIT: Big simplification to the long^8 barge workaround.
Very nice! This reduces the cost from 74 to 41 gliders, and one more cleanup glider can be eliminated by backing the NW glider by 3 steps:

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x = 176, y = 132, rule = B3/S23
81bo$79boo$80boo$$81bo$76bo3boo$77bobbobo$75b3o4$76boo34bo22bo6bo29bo$
75bobo33bobo17bo3bobo3bobo27bobo$77bo32bobo19bobboo3bobo27bobo$110bo
19b3o7bo29bo$11bo96bobo27bobo24boobobo$12boo9bo84boo23boo3boo24boboboo
$11boo9bo109bobo30bo$22b3o109bo$49booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25boob
oo$25boo23bobobo25bobobo25bobobo25bobobo25bobobo$25bobo22bobobo25bobob
o25bobobo25bobobo25bobobo$25bo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo25booboo
7$29boo$14b3o11boo$16bo13bo$15bo16$131bo$132bo3bo28boo$130b3oboo28bobb
o$22bo29bo29bo29bo22boo5bo21bobbo4bo$21bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo13bo13bob
o21boo4bobo$20bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo12bobo12bobo27bobo$20bo29bo29bo29b
o15boo12bo29bo$15boobobo24boobobo17bo6boobobo24boobobo18boo4boobobo19b
oo3boobobo$14boboboo24boboboo17bo6boboboo24boboboo18bobo3boboboo20boo
bboboboo$15bo29bo21b3o5bo29bo24bo4bo29bo$$19booboo25booboo14b3o8booboo
25booboo25booboo25booboo$20bobobo20boo3bobobo15bo4boo3bobobo17booboo3b
obobo17booboo3bobobo17booboo3bobobo$20bobobo20bobobbobobo14bo5bobobbob
obo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo16bobobobobbobobo$13boo6booboo20b
o4booboo20bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo16bo3bo4booboo$12bobo
57bo$14bo56boo$17boo52bobo87b3o$18boo$17bo3boo$21bobo104bo$21bo106boo$
127bobo$132boo$131boo$133bo11$bbo$obo18bo$boo17bo$20b3o$$9bo17bo$7bobo
15boo$8boo16boo$$30bobo$30boo$31bo$87bo$86bo$86b3o$15boo13bo22boo28boo
$4bo9bobbo12bobo19bobbo26bobbo$bbobo9bobbo4bo7boo15bo5boo22bo5boo22bo$
3boo10boo4bobo22boo28boo28boo$20bobo$20bo23bobobbo24bobobbo24bobobbo$
10boo3boobobo23bobobobo23bobobobo23bobobobo$10boobboboboo24bobobobbo
22bobobobbo22bobobobbo$15bo30bo29bo29bo$49bobo27bobo27bobo$19booboo20b
obo3bo23bobo3bo23bobo3bo$12booboo3bobobo20bo9bo19bo9bo19bo$11bobobobo
bbobobo30bo29bo$12bo3bo4booboo8bo20bo29bo$33boo$33bobo50boo$11b3o72bob
o$bboo82bo$bobo$3bo$32bo$22boo7boo$21boo8bobo$23bo5$22bo$21b3o$20boobo
$20b3o$21boo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 10th, 2017, 9:00 am
by Goldtiger997
Incomplete synthesis of a p11:

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x = 533, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
bo100bo$2bo98bo$3o98b3o8$5bobo88bobo$6b2o88b2o$6bo90bo4$471bo20bo$472b
2o16b2o$471b2o18b2o2$471bo20bo$471b2o18b2o$470bobo18bobo3$467b2o26b2o$
468b2o24b2o$467bo28bo4$461bo40bo$462bo38bo$460b3o38b3o$456b3o46b3o$
262bobo14bobo176bo6b2o30b2o6bo$54bo203bo4b2o14b2o4bo171bo6bobo30bobo6b
o$55b2o85bobo14bobo97bo3bo16bo3bo181bo30bo$54b2o86b2o16b2o95b3o24b3o$
143bo16bo270bo7b2o2b2o7bo18bo7b2o2b2o7bo18bo20bo$141bo20bo268b3o6bo2bo
6b3o18b3o6bo2bo6b3o18b3o16b3o$48bo93bo18bo272bo4bo4bo4bo24bo4bo4bo4bo
24bo14bo$44b2o2bobo89b3o18b3o269bo2bobo6bobo2bo22bo2bobo6bobo2bo22bo2b
obo6bobo2bo$45b2ob2o65b2ob2o4b2ob2o16b2ob2o4b2ob2o16b2ob2o4b2ob2o16b2o
b2o4b2ob2o16b2ob2o4b2ob2o16b2ob2o4b2ob2o29b2o4b2o62b2o4b2o47b4ob2o4b2o
b4o22b4ob2o4b2ob4o22b4ob2o4b2ob4o$44bo34bo35b2obo6bob2o16b2obo6bob2o
15bobobo6bobobo14bobobo6bobobo14bobobo6bobobo14bobobo6bobobo28bo6bo62b
o6bo52bo6bo32bo6bo32bo6bo$59b3o15b2o39bobo2bobo15bo6bobo2bobo6bo12bo2b
obo2bobo2bo16bo2bobo2bobo2bo15bobobobo2bobobobo7b2o5bobobobo2bobobobo
5b2o18b2obobo2bobob2o56b2obobo2bobob2o46b2obobo2bobob2o26b2obobo2bobob
2o26b2obobo2bobob2o$59bo18b2o38bob4obo15b2o5bob4obo5b2o15bob4obo22bob
4obo19b2obob4obob2o9b2o5b2obob4obob2o5b2o19b2obob4obob2o20bo2bo2bo29bo
2bob4obo2bo20bo2bo2bo19bo2bob4obo2bo26bo2bob4obo2bo26bo2bob4obo2bo$60b
o58bo4bo15bobo6bo4bo6bobo15bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo12bo11bo4bo11bo22bo4bo
61bo2bo4bo2bo48bo2bo4bo2bo28bo2bo4bo2bo28bo2bo4bo2bo$120bo2bo26bo2bo
26bo2bo17bo8bo2bo8bo17bo2bo26bo2bo36bo2bo59b3o4bo2bo4b3o42b3o4bo2bo4b
3o22b3o4bo2bo4b3o22b3o4bo2bo4b3o$30bo8b2o22b2o54b2o2b2o24b2o2b2o24b2o
2b2o16b2o6b2o2b2o6b2o16b2o2b2o24b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o58bo5b2o2b2o5bo42bo5b
2o2b2o5bo22bo5b2o2b2o5bo22bo5b2o2b2o5bo$28bobo7bobo22bobo134bobo18bobo
$29b2o9bo22bo$203b3o12b3o$31b3o169bo16bo$33bo170bo14bo$32bo$37b3o$37bo
38bo$38bo36b2o$75bobo$60bo$60b2o$59bobo!
Can anyone complete it?

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 11th, 2017, 9:50 am
by mniemiec
Goldtiger997 wrote:Incomplete synthesis of a p11: ... Can anyone complete it?
Hmm. I don't know of any way to turn a block on table-like inductor into a hook w/tail; all ways I know to create such an object start with a hook w/tail and adding the inductor later. Adding a siamese snake or similar while simultaneously adding a boat should be fairly easy, and then turning the boat into a table siamese hook w/tail shouldn't be too difficult; however, growing two pythons in such close proximity will be quite a challenge.

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 12th, 2017, 11:48 am
by gmc_nxtman
Is this 17-bit still-life synthesis method known/improvable?

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x = 37, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
31bobo$31b2o$32bo5$o20bo$b2o18bobo$2o19b2o2$19bo$20bo$18b3o2$18bo$18b
2o$17bobo$35b2o$22b2o10b2o$21b2o13bo$6b3o14bo$8bo$7bo$22b3o$22bo$23bo
2$5b2o$4bobo$6bo$bo$b2o22bo$obo21b2o$24bobo$4bo$4b2o$3bobo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 13th, 2017, 8:20 am
by mniemiec
gmc_nxtman wrote:Is this 17-bit still-life synthesis method known/improvable? ...
Nice! The previous synthesis of this (17.1120 aka 17#166) took 45 gliders (unless my lists are out of date). The clock-trigger can be reduced to 1 glider, and the defective paperclip can easily be made from 4 gliders, reducing this to 9. There are also several ways of making it from 3 gliders, but I don't know any offhand that work.

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x = 118, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
100bo$98boo$99boo$4bobo6bo$5boo4boo14bo19bo19bo29bo$5bo6boo11boo18boo
18boo28boo$oo6bo18boo18boo18boo28boo17boo$boo4boo17bo19bo19bo29bo20bo$
o6bobo81bo21bobo$92bo19bob3o$66boo22b3o3boo14bo4bo$45b3o18boo28boo15b
3obo$47bo67boo$46bo43boo$48b3o38boo$48bo42bo$49bo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 13th, 2017, 10:07 am
by AbhpzTa
mniemiec wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:Is this 17-bit still-life synthesis method known/improvable? ...
Nice! The previous synthesis of this (17.1120 aka 17#166) took 45 gliders (unless my lists are out of date). The clock-trigger can be reduced to 1 glider, and the defective paperclip can easily be made from 4 gliders, reducing this to 9. There are also several ways of making it from 3 gliders, but I don't know any offhand that work.

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x = 118, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
100bo$98boo$99boo$4bobo6bo$5boo4boo14bo19bo19bo29bo$5bo6boo11boo18boo
18boo28boo$oo6bo18boo18boo18boo28boo17boo$boo4boo17bo19bo19bo29bo20bo$
o6bobo81bo21bobo$92bo19bob3o$66boo22b3o3boo14bo4bo$45b3o18boo28boo15b
3obo$47bo67boo$46bo43boo$48b3o38boo$48bo42bo$49bo!
8 gliders (another method):

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x = 31, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
5bo$6b2o5bo$5b2o6bo$b2o10bo$obo25bobo$2bo3b2o6b2o12b2o$7b2o4b2o14bo$6b
o8bo6$25b2o$26b2o$25bo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 22nd, 2017, 12:52 am
by Kazyan
I'm dragging this list from the Oscillator Discoveries Thread over here:
mniemiec wrote:
Kazyan wrote:Is there a list anywhere of these small objects that still need syntheses?
Here is my current list of small unbuildables:
Row 1: 6 spaceships up to 32 bits,
Rows 2-4: 49 pseudo-still-lifes up to 20 bits,
Rows 5-8: 65 P2 oscillators up to 18 bits,
Row 8: 3 P3 oscillators up to 21 bits,
Row 8: 7 non-trivial P3 pseudo-oscillators up to 26 bits,
Row 9: 7 P4 oscillators up to 25 bits (not counting 60 24-bit and 263 25-bit trivial molds built on as-yet-unsynthesized 19+20-bit still-lifes),
Row 9: 1 non-trivial P4 pseudo-oscillator up to 26 bits,
Row 10: 15 P5 oscillators up to 25 bits (all Elkies's P5s),
Rows 11-12: 23 P7 oscillators up to 29 bits,
Row 12: 14 P8 oscillators up to 32 bits,
Rows 13: 13 P14 oscillators up to 30 bits,
Row 13: 1 P20 pseudo-oscillator up to 30 bits.
(There are no unknown still-lifes up to 18 bits, non-trivial P2 pseudo-oscillators up to 21 bits, or P6 oscillators up to 26 bits, that I know of.)

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x = 297, y = 171, rule = B3/S23
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oobo3bo7boobo3bo10bobb4o8bobb4o8bobbooboo$4bo6bo7bo4bobo7bo4bobo4boobo
6bo7bo6bo7bo6bo7bo6bo7bo4bo9bo4bo9bo4bo9bo4bo9bobb4o8bobbooboo7bobboob
oo7bobb4o8bobbooboo7bobbooboo7bo6bo7bo6bo7bo4bobo$5b6o9b4o11b4o11b6o9b
5obo8b5obo8b6o9b4o11b4o11b4o11b4o10bo6bo7bo4bobo7bo4bobo7bo6bo7bo4bobo
7bo4bobo8b6o9b6o9b4o$70bo14bo84b6o9b4o11b4o11b6o9b4o11b4o$7boo13boo11b
oo15boo13bobo12b3o12boo13boo11boo15boo11boo105boo13boo13boo$7boo13boo
11boo15boo13boo13bo14boo13boo11boo15boo11boo15boo13boo11boo15boo13boo
11boo15bobo11bobo13bobo$172boo13boo11boo15boo13boo11boo16bo13bo15bo5$
65bo29bo$bbooboo10booboo10booboo27bobo10booboo12bobo10booboo10booboo
10booboo10booboo10booboo10booboo10booboo10booboo10booboo11booboo8boo$o
bbobobo7bobbobobo7bobbobobo25bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10b
obobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo11bobobo7boboboo$
oobo3bo7boobo3bo7boobo3bo25bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bob
obo7bobbobobo10bobobo10bobobobbo7bobobo10bobobobbo7bobobobbo5bobbobobo
9bobobo$3bobbooboo7bobbooboo7bobbooboo19boobo3boboo4boobo3boboo4boobo
3boboo4boobo3boboo4boobo3boboo4boobo3boboo3bobobo3boboo4boobo3boboo4b
oobo3bobobo3boobo3boboo4boobo3bobobo3boobo3bobobo3bobobo3boboo6bobobo$
3bo4bobo7bo4bobo7bo4bobo19boobo3boboo4boobo3boboo4boobo3bobobo3boobo3b
oboo4boobo3boboo3bobobo3boboo4boobo3boboo4boobo3bobobo3boobo3boboo4boo
bo3bobobo3boobo3boboo4boobo3boboo5boobo3boboo3boobo3boboo$4b4o11b4o11b
4o25bo3bo10bo3bo10bo3bobbo7bo3bo10bo3bo7bobbo3bo10bo3bo10bo3bobbo7bo3b
o10bo3bobbo7bo3bo10bo3bo11bo3bo6boobo3boboo$63bobobo10bobobo10bobobo
10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobobo10bobo
bo11bobobo9bo3bo$6boo11boo13boo28bobo12bobo12bobo12booboo8booboo12bobo
12bobo12bobo12bobo12booboo10booboo8booboo11booboo10bobobo$5bobo11bobo
11bobo29bo14bo14bo44bo14bo14bo14bo73bobo$6bo13bo13bo225bo6$3booboo10b
ooboo10bo14bo15booboo10booboo8boo13boo13boo13boo13boo13boo13boo29boo$b
obbobo12bobo10boboboo9boboboo12bobo12bobo8bobboboo10bo14bo14bo14bo14bo
14bo29bo4boo$boobo3bo10bo3bo8bobobo9bobbobo13bo3bo7bobbo3bo7bobobo9bo
14bo14bo14bo14bo14bo8boo22bo3bobbo$4bobb4o5boobobb4o5boobo3bo7boobo3bo
8boobobb4o4bobobobb4o4boobo3bo7b5o10b5o10b5o10b5o10b5o10b5o5bo22boo4b
oo$4bo6bo4boobo6bo7bobb4o8bobb4o5bobobo6bo4boobo6bo6bobb4o10bo14bo3boo
9bo3boo9bo3boo9boboo11bobo23bobbo$5b5obo8b5obo7bo6bo7bo6bo5bo3b5obo8b
5obo6bo6bo4boo3bo9boo3bo4bo4boo3bo4bo4boo3bo4bo4boo3bobo7boo3boboo21bo
8boo$10bo14bo9b5obo8b5obo14bo14bo8b5obo4bobboboboo6bobbobobo7bobbobobo
7bobbobobo7bobbobo4bo4bobbobo24boo6bobbo$7bo14bo17bo14bo12bo14bo16bo7b
oobobo9booboboo7b3oboboo7b3oboboo7b3obo3boo5b3obo30bobbobo$7boo13boo
13bo14bo15boo13boo12bo11bobo4bo7bobo13bo14bo14bo14bo35bo$37boo13boo43b
oo10bobo3boo7bobo12bo14bo14bo14bo32boboo$110bo14bo13boo13boo13boo13boo
32bo!
Anyway, the second-to-last of the p2 oscillators is an easy kill:

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x = 46, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
9bo$10b2o$9b2o$2bobo$3b2o9bo$3bo10bobo$14b2o2$8b2o10bo17bo$8b2o8b2o18b
obo$19b2o15bo$5b2o4b3o27b2o$5b2o28b2o6bo2$14b2o21bo6b2o$7b3o4b2o22b2o$
2o42bo$b2o8b2o27bobo$o10b2o29bo2$5b2o$4bobo10bo$6bo9b2o$16bobo$10b2o$
9b2o$11bo!
I thought the final p2 could also be obtained with a tweak to this one, but no dice so far.

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 23rd, 2017, 9:11 pm
by Extrementhusiast
Tripole in six gliders (edgeshooting it, to boot):

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x = 22, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
16bobo$16b2o$17bo3$6b2o$5bobo$7bo2$8b2o$8bobo$8bo11b2o$3o16b2o$2bo18bo
$bo10bo$11b2o$11bobo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 24th, 2017, 5:14 am
by Goldtiger997
mniemiec wrote: Here is my current list of small unbuildables:...
Final step that works for all of row 10:

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x = 26, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
5bobo$2bo3b2o$obo3bo$b2o2$9bo$10b2o$9b2o5$3bo$4b2o$3b2o2$21b2o$18bobob
o$8b3o6bob2o$10bo6bo3bo$9bo8b3obob2o$20bob2obo$20bo$19b2o4$2bo$2b2o$bo
bo3bo$7b2o$6bobo!
Does this solve all of row 10, or are a lot of the base still-lifes still difficult?

EDIT: Ah, I get it. The part that made these oscillators difficult to synthesise were their stators, not their rotors. I thought it was a bit too easy to synthesise for an unsolved oscillator :) .

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 24th, 2017, 5:56 am
by Sokwe
Goldtiger997 wrote:Final step that works for all of row 10:
The standard method is essentially the same, except it only requires 5 gliders:

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x = 23, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
12bobo$13b2o7bo$7bo5bo6b2o$8b2o11b2o$7b2o$b2o$obo$2bo3b3o$8bo4b2o$7bo
4bo2bo$13bobo2bo$12b2ob4o$14bo$14bobo$15b2o!
As you noted, the difficulty is in constructing the base still lifes.

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 24th, 2017, 9:41 am
by praosylen
Goldtiger997 wrote:

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x = 26, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
5bobo$2bo3b2o$obo3bo$b2o2$9bo$10b2o$9b2o5$3bo$4b2o$3b2o2$21b2o$18bobob
o$8b3o6bob2o$10bo6bo3bo$9bo8b3obob2o$20bob2obo$20bo$19b2o4$2bo$2b2o$bo
bo3bo$7b2o$6bobo!
[...]

EDIT: Ah, I get it. The part that made these oscillators difficult to synthesise were their stators, not their rotors. I thought it was a bit too easy to synthesise for an unsolved oscillator :) .
A possible route for that particular SL:

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x = 67, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
30bo15bo2$29bo17bo2$28bo19bo2$28bo4b2o13bo$32bo29b2o$4b2o12b2o8bo4bo5b
2o7bo10bobobo$2obobo8b2obobo13bob2obobo17bob2o$ob2o10bob2o10bo2b2o2bob
2o9bo9bo3bo$4bo13bo13bo6bo19b3obob2o$b3o11b3obob2o5bo3bo3b3obob2o4bo
12bob2obo$bo12bo2bob2obo12bo2bob2obo17bo$15b2o11bo4bo2b2o10bo11b2o$32b
2o2bo$28bo11b2o6bo$39b3o$29bo9b2o6bo2$30bo15bo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 24th, 2017, 12:30 pm
by mniemiec
Extrementhusiast wrote:Tripole in six gliders (edgeshooting it, to boot): ...
Nice. The cost was previously 6, so this doesn't improve that, but the edge-shooting dynamic is much more versatile than the previous one. From the syntheses in my collection, this optimizes 5 objects and 30 pseudo-objects.
Goldtiger997 wrote:Final step that works for all of row 10: ...
I already had that step; what is missing is the underlying still-lifes.
In fact, syntheses of these should give them all:

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x = 86, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
3boo13boo13boo13boo13boo13boo$bbobbo11bobbo11bobbo11bobbo11bobbo11bobb
o$3bobobbo9bobobbo9bobobbo9bobobbo9bobobbo9bobobbo$bboob4o8boob4o8boob
4o8boob4o8boob4o8boob4o$bobbo11bobbo11bobbo14bo4boo5bobbo11bobbo$obo3b
o9boobboo9boobboo12bobobbo7bobobo10bobboboo$bo3boo14bo14bo13bobobo8bob
obo10boo3bo$20bo15bobo12bobo10bobbo15bobo$20boo15boo13bo12boo17boo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 24th, 2017, 2:22 pm
by Kazyan
Finally found a way to flip the banana spark. Cross that other p2 off:

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x = 20, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
13.A$8.A3.A.A2.A$9.2A.2A3.A.A$3.A4.2A7.2A$4.2A6.2A$3.2A7.A$13.3A$8.2A
5.A$2A6.2A9.A$.2A9.2A3.2A$A4.2A5.2A4.2A$5.2A2$14.2A$.2A4.3A4.2A$2.2A$
.A9.2A$11.2A$6.2A$5.A.A8.A$7.A7.2A$15.A.A$9.2A$8.2A$10.A!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 24th, 2017, 11:40 pm
by yootaa

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x = 106, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
74bobo$74b2o$75bo17$obo$b2o$bo13bo$11bo3bobo36bo$11b2o2b2o36bobo$6bo3b
obo40b2o35b2o11bo$7bo34bobo45bobobo8bobo$5b3o35b2o4b3o34b2o7b2o6b2o$
22bobo18bo15bo25bo2bo3bo$3bo18b2o23bo11bo25bobo6bo5bo$3b2o18bo23bo11bo
26bo5bo6bobo$2bobo42bo15bo30bo3bo2bo$19b3o33b3o4b2o18b2o6b2o7b2o$19bo
42bobo16bobo8bobobo$14bobo3bo31b2o29bo11b2o$10b2o2b2o35bobo$9bobo3bo
36bo$11bo13bo$24b2o$24bobo17$31bo$31b2o$30bobo!

Re: Synthesising Oscillators

Posted: June 25th, 2017, 4:15 am
by Kazyan
Final step for another p2 on the list. I don't know how you would make the two nonspartan objects in the center, but they don't look that hard:

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x = 45, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3b3o$3b2obo$4b3o$5bo16bo$13b2o6bo$13b3o5b3o$bobo8bob2o$2b2o8b3o$
2bo10bo$20bo$19bo$19b3o$5b2o$5bobob2o5b3o$7bob2o$6b2o5b2o8bo11bobo$7bo
5bobo5b2o14bo$2o5bobo4bobo5b2o9b2o4bo$b2o5bobo5bo18bo4b2o$o8b2o5b2o$
13b2obo19b2o4bo$5b3o5b2obobo19bo4b2o$17b2o21bo$2b3o35bobo$4bo$3bo$10bo
10bo$9b3o8b2o$8b2obo8bobo$3o5b3o$2bo6b2o$bo16bo$17b3o$17bob2o$18b3o$
18b2o!
I can see why the objects on this list are unsolved. Right now I'm focusing on objects that look like Hard Mode rather than Nightmare or Good Luck With That Buddy.