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Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: June 29th, 2019, 4:16 pm
by Moosey
The Long Prodigal is called the Very Long integral for some reason
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xs ... aeijns234e
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: June 29th, 2019, 4:56 pm
by Ian07
That's from an error on the wiki which I fixed about a month ago:
http://www.conwaylife.com/w/index.php?t ... ldid=60474
wiki-names.txt, however, still hasn't been updated since January.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: July 6th, 2019, 2:11 am
by testitemqlstudop
Pardon my ignorance, but why do I have Sprotsmanship? I haven't uploaded hauls to any censuses other than C1 for the last few days, and it can't be from X3VI since it has less than 333 billion objects.
http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/user/testitemqlstudop
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: July 6th, 2019, 5:00 am
by apg
testitemqlstudop wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but why do I have Sprotsmanship? I haven't uploaded hauls to any censuses other than C1 for the last few days, and it can't be from X3VI since it has less than 333 billion objects.
http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/user/testitemqlstudop
Oh, there's a bug in which it believes that backup censuses (e.g. C1-2016-01-07) count as 'different symmetries'.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: July 6th, 2019, 11:22 am
by Ian07
Non-alphanumeric characters in an apgcode seem to be automatically removed when checking the pattern for periodicity and generating statistics for it, but not when creating the LifeViewer, the synthesis, the sample soups, or the comments:
http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp3 ... 401@/b3s23
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: July 8th, 2019, 1:54 am
by Hdjensofjfnen
My user page states that I've contributed at least 333,333,333,334 objects to a different rule or symmetry, but I distinctly remember having contributed only about 100 hauls of 100k soups each (Python script) to rules outside of B3/S23. Something doesn't add up, as it just appeared on my user page today and I haven't uploaded anything to non-Life rules since 2018.
EDIT: Oh, wait, I should have read testitem's comment.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: July 9th, 2019, 8:34 am
by muzik
G1 and co. still aren't classed as official symmetries. Is there a reason for this I'm not aware of?
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: July 23rd, 2019, 2:45 pm
by Ian07
Lately the update process has been running twice each cycle:
https://gitlab.com/apgoucher/catagolue/-/jobs
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 2nd, 2019, 10:19 am
by Saka
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 2nd, 2019, 11:39 pm
by testitemqlstudop
*silent giggles*
I mean, not only do they have the same name, they have the same payosha256 keys, too...
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 12th, 2019, 6:55 am
by muzik
For the schick engine, it shows two different c1 sample soups, but both of these link to an identical soup:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xq ... xfjf/b3s23
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 12th, 2019, 7:51 am
by testitemqlstudop
Sorry for breaking the page
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 16th, 2019, 5:28 pm
by muzik
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 17th, 2019, 4:50 am
by mniemiec
I've frequently used Catagolue to look at soups for objects that do not yet have syntheses. In many case, some of the rarer objects claim that they do have associated soups - but only have hauls from "replit_smaller_stdin_test" and "replit_stdin_test". Examining those hauls more closely shows that all the soups in there are fraudulent, and they contain a huge plethora of rare objects of various. The also have catagories xsInfo, xsWarning, ylInfo, and ylWarning - whose sole purpose is to mock apgsearch's lax security measures.
There should be a mechanism for manually purging the detabase of known fraudulent hauls.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 17th, 2019, 1:51 pm
by Ian07
mniemiec wrote:
There should be a mechanism for manually purging the detabase of known fraudulent hauls.
Normally, these types of symmetries would be moved to the "Troll symmetries" section of the
B3/S23 page, which prevents them from showing up as sample soups. Right now here's the code that marks these as troll symmetries:
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} else if (symmetry.contains("wwei") || symmetry.contains("nonymous") || symmetry.contains("256X2")) {
// Troll symmetry:
symstat = 3;
} else if (symmetry.equals("Uploads") || symmetry.equals("Saka_Test") || symmetry.equals("heavgolue")) {
// More troll symmetries:
symstat = 3;
I've submitted a merge request to Catagolue so that the "replit" symmetries will also be considered trolls.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 17th, 2019, 3:48 pm
by mniemiec
Ian07 wrote:Normally, these types of symmetries would be moved to the "Troll symmetries" section of the
B3/S23 page, which prevents them from showing up as sample soups. Right now here's the code that marks these as troll symmetries: ... I've submitted a merge request to Catagolue so that the "replit" symmetries will also be considered trolls.
Couldn't 256X2 be a legitimate symmetry, or are they not valid random soups? The problem with the "replit" symmetries is that the soups themselves are fraudulent - they contain patterns that claim to produce certain objects, while not actually producing them. At least with an uploaded soup, someone could upload a "foo predecessor" which actually does generate a "foo" object, even if its makeup is statistically dubious. "replit" doesn't even do that.
Ideally, it should be possible to totally remove some of the more egregious troll-symmetric hauls from the database altogether.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 18th, 2019, 12:47 am
by Ian07
Here's another oddity: the
b3s23/C1 census lists a
yl1152_1_332_ce5c623ad49c2712d55df5b89c87da86, yet it doesn't have any sample soups.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 24th, 2019, 10:57 am
by GUYTU6J
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Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 27th, 2019, 10:51 am
by muzik
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: August 27th, 2019, 2:01 pm
by apg
That's Snowflakes, right? I had to restore the census after DefinitelyAlphanumeric deleted it, and the haul count was reset.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: September 8th, 2019, 8:49 pm
by Ian07
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: September 9th, 2019, 2:50 am
by apg
Oh, I made a mistake last night and will be correcting it relatively soon.
EDIT: normality restored. That should also apply to those *WSS flotillae misclassified as pseudo.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: September 14th, 2019, 11:57 am
by Ian07
This was submitted to the nonmagical box last night by Alex Greason:
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x = 18, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o2$15bo$15bobo$15b2o7$9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo2$13b2o$12bo2bo$13b
obo$14bo!
The update job interpreted this correctly:
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# Engulfing 8k4oy7654zw1w8kk8zzyf351
# processing src=xs13_696zy02596, dst=xs15_33z0oozx4aic...
# ...success.
However, despite the
initial step costing 3G, the
destination still life still costs 9G.
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: September 15th, 2019, 6:40 am
by apg
Ian07 wrote:This was submitted to the nonmagical box last night by Alex Greason:
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x = 18, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o2$15bo$15bobo$15b2o7$9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo2$13b2o$12bo2bo$13b
obo$14bo!
The update job interpreted this correctly:
Code: Select all
# Engulfing 8k4oy7654zw1w8kk8zzyf351
# processing src=xs13_696zy02596, dst=xs15_33z0oozx4aic...
# ...success.
However, despite the
initial step costing 3G, the
destination still life still costs 9G.
The 3G initial step isn't in Shinjuku, so it must have been deleted at some point. (I think Alex Greason's script begins by flagging any objects where the local Shinjuku working tree disagrees with Catagolue's synthesis-costs census about their costs. Potentially these syntheses could be automatically downloaded from Catagolue and fed into the nonmagical box; that would rectify these issues.)
Re: Catagolue Oddities
Posted: September 18th, 2019, 2:39 pm
by praosylen