Re: Thread for basic questions
Posted: July 10th, 2017, 4:45 pm
Why does B7 make Life-related rules interesting? (e.g. Life, tlife)
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That is down to coincidence.drc wrote:Why does B7 make Life-related rules interesting? (e.g. Life, tlife)
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x = 5, y = 8, rule = B3-e/S23
b3o$o3bo$2ob2o3$2bo$bobo$2bo!
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x = 5, y = 8, rule = B3-e7/S23
b3o$o3bo$2ob2o3$2bo$bobo$2bo!
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x = 53, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
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2AB.4B2.2A$20.3AB2AB7.A$19.A4.B10.3A$20.3A.2A11.A$22.2A2.A$25.2A!
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x = 53, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
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3.D$D3.D.D3.D.5D2.3D3.3D4.D4.3D5.D2.4D10$41.3B$40.4B$39.4B$38.4B$37.
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$9.4BABA21B.3B$9.4B3AB2A22B$9.6BAB2A21B2A$10.28B.B2A$14.23B3.B$16.B2.
18B$19.17B$19.17B$19.19B$20.18B$20.4B2.12B$26.11B$26.8B$26.10B$22.A.
2AB.4B2.2A$20.3AB2AB7.A$19.A4.B10.3A$20.3A.2A11.A$22.2A2.A$25.2A!
Those are the so-called "dependent" conduits -- they interact with an active reaction three ticks before it becomes a Herschel.Ethanagor wrote:Tangentially related question: In the Herschel conduit collection, why are there some conduits that destroy the conduit immediately with a block, turning it into a traffic light and not giving the labelled output?
It's OS-specific. See File > Preferences > Control to see the path for your system. This came up just a couple of weeks ago.gameoflifemaniac wrote:Where are all the saved rules stored in Golly?
There's some kind of answer to that in response to muzik's question, in the lower part of this post. If you're optimizing population it seems hard to beat a design like the Demonoid with two 180-degree reflectors to hold the signals that run the universal constructor(s).Rhombic wrote:What is a good estimate/guess of the minimum population of the smallest possible universal constructor-based spaceship? (Gemini-like)
As in, how small would the smallest be likely to be?
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x = 331, y = 341, rule = LifeHistory
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$234.4B$235.2B2A$236.BABA$237.A3B$238.4B$239.4B$240.4B$241.4B$242.4B$
243.4B$244.4B$245.4B$246.4B$247.4B$248.4B$249.4B$250.4B$251.4B$252.4B
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262.4B$263.4B$264.4B$265.4B$266.4B$267.4B$268.4B$269.4B$270.4B$271.4B
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281.BABA$282.A3B$283.4B$284.4B$285.4B$286.4B$287.4B$288.4B$289.4B$
290.4B$291.4B$292.4B$293.4B$294.4B$295.4B$296.4B$297.4B$298.4B$299.4B
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309.4B$310.4B$311.4B$312.4B$313.4B$314.4B$315.4B$316.4B$317.4B$318.4B
$319.4B$320.4B$321.4B$322.4B$323.4B$324.4B$325.2B2A$326.BABA$327.A3B$
328.3B$329.2B$330.B!Code: Select all
x = 115, y = 35, rule = B3/S23-a4i5i6ci
108b2o$107b2o$107b2o$107b2o$109bo$o3bo35bo3bo35bo3bo17b3o$4o36b4o36b4o
18bo$b3o37b3o37b3o18bobo$103b2o2$5bob2o36bob2o36bob2o$5bo2bo36bo2bo36b
o2bo$5b3o37b3o37b3o10$67b3o37b3o$66bo2bo36bo2bo$66b2obo36b2obo2$90b2o$
71b3o16bobo18b3o$71b4o17bo18b4o$70bo3bo15b3o17bo3bo$85bo$86b2o$86b2o$
86b2o$85b2o!Yes, thank you so much! That's now the best reflectorless rotating oscillator (4x, as opposed to 2x) in any isotropic 2-state Moore-neighbourhood cellular automaton. Well done!drc wrote:Doesn't this thing I found count as a RRO?:Code: Select all
x = 115, y = 35, rule = B3/S23-a4i5i6ci 108b2o$107b2o$107b2o$107b2o$109bo$o3bo35bo3bo35bo3bo17b3o$4o36b4o36b4o 18bo$b3o37b3o37b3o18bobo$103b2o2$5bob2o36bob2o36bob2o$5bo2bo36bo2bo36b o2bo$5b3o37b3o37b3o10$67b3o37b3o$66bo2bo36bo2bo$66b2obo36b2obo2$90b2o$ 71b3o16bobo18b3o$71b4o17bo18b4o$70bo3bo15b3o17bo3bo$85bo$86b2o$86b2o$ 86b2o$85b2o!
Thanks! I posted about it in the accidental discoveries thread but I thought I would bring it back up directly.calcyman wrote:Yes, thank you so much! That's now the best reflectorless rotating oscillator (4x, as opposed to 2x) in any isotropic 2-state Moore-neighbourhood cellular automaton. Well done!
1. Take a garden of EdenGamedziner wrote:Does a symmetric GoE exist? (orthogonal, diagonal, and/or rotational symmetries)
Thanksdrc wrote:1. Take a garden of EdenGamedziner wrote:Does a symmetric GoE exist? (orthogonal, diagonal, and/or rotational symmetries)
2. Mirror it until you have a symmetric shape
There's also the bottom row of this image
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[M2] (golly 2.8)
#R 01245678/3/8:P180,180
1 0 1 0 1
2 0 0 0 1
1 1 1 0 0
1 1 0 1 0
2 0 0 3 4
3 0 0 2 5
2 0 0 1 3
2 0 0 4 0
3 0 0 7 8
1 0 1 0 0
2 0 10 0 0
1 1 0 0 0
2 3 12 0 0
3 11 13 0 0
2 10 3 0 0
2 12 0 0 0
3 15 16 0 0
4 6 9 14 17
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x = 8, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o$o$o$bo4b2o$6bo!WaywardHorizons wrote:This may seem stupid or is listed on some wiki page that I don't know the name of, but how do I get the code for a pattern in Golly? There seems to be no clear way to export it...
So to be unnecessarily specific -- select a rectangular area, or Edit > Select All, then Edit > Copy or Ctrl+C.muzik wrote:It's surprisingly simple: when you copy a pattern, it actually goes into the same clipboard you use for text, so you can copy patterns directly from Golly as text.
The LifeWiki says in at least two places that the fourfold rotationally symmetric Garden of Eden 6 is the smallest known Garden of Eden. Which just shows how far out of date the LifeWiki can get sometimes. That was true for four years until Steven Eker started generating smaller asymmetrical ones, none of which have had their pictures taken for LifeWiki articles yet. (They're all in the list in the first link above, though.)drc wrote:1. Take a garden of EdenGamedziner wrote:Does a symmetric GoE exist? (orthogonal, diagonal, and/or rotational symmetries)
2. Mirror it until you have a symmetric shape
There's also the bottom row of this image
For B3/S23/C1? I'm getting ~1450 soups/sec per hyperthreading core on a Core i7-3770K (supporting AVX1 but not AVX2). Other rules can be much faster -- or much slower.Rhombic wrote:What is the usual speed of apgmera and why might it be running slower than expected on my computer?
I'm on a Core i7, and I ran apgmera with -p 4, but the rate at which hauls are submitted seems to be much higher for other people.Apple Bottom wrote:For B3/S23/C1? I'm getting ~1450 soups/sec per hyperthreading core on a Core i7-3770K (supporting AVX1 but not AVX2). Other rules can be much faster -- or much slower.Rhombic wrote:What is the usual speed of apgmera and why might it be running slower than expected on my computer?
Others use multiple computers, like calcyman uses upwards of 20(probably innacurate because I forgot how much). I use one and occasionally run 2-3 instances.Rhombic wrote:I'm on a Core i7, and I ran apgmera with -p 4, but the rate at which hauls are submitted seems to be much higher for other people.
I've never tried parallel searching -- I just run several instances in parallel (makes it easier to shut down some when I need the CPU for other things).Rhombic wrote:I'm on a Core i7, and I ran apgmera with -p 4, but the rate at which hauls are submitted seems to be much higher for other people.