What it is like to be a hassler?

[WhiteHawk]

Why are these three P21 honey farm hasslers considered to be “just different enough to be distinct”?

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x = 125, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$6b4o$5bobob2o$5b2o3b2o$10bo$12bo$9b3o$8b2o2b2o$5b2o2b2o$7b3o57b2o
38b2o$6bo61bo2bo36bo2bo$8bo56b3o3b3o31b3o3b3o$7b2o3b2o50bo3b3o3bo29bo
3b3o3bo$8b2obobo50b2obo3b3o30b2obo3b3o$9b4o6b2o47b2obo36b2obo$10b2o7b
o3b2o38bob2obobo32bob2obobo$21bo2bo38b2ob2o35b2ob2o$20b2obo$20bo2b4o8b
o20b2o2b2o$10bobo7b3o3bo6b3o20bo2bobo8bobo7b2o28bobo7b2o$9bobob2o5bo2b
4o5bo24bobo9bobob2o6bo27bobob2o6bo$9bobo8b2obo2bo4bobo22b2obo9bobo9bo
b2o24bobo9bob2o$4b2o4bo5bo4bob2o2bo2b4o19bobo2bo11bo7b2ob2obo19b2o4bo
7b2ob2obo$3bobo10bo4bobobo2bo5b2o17b2ob2o21bo23bobo13bo$3bo18b2ob4obo
b2o2bo19bo22bo23bo15bo$2b2o20bo4b2obo2bo20bo21b2ob2o19b2o14b2ob2o$o2b
obob2o15bob2o5b2o16bob2ob2o7bo11bo2bobo17bo2bobob2o8bo2bobo$2o2b2obo15b
2obo24b2obo9bobo9bob2o20b2o2b2obo8bob2o$7bobo16bo27bo6b2obobo9bobo28b
obo6bobo$7b2obo15b2o26b2o7bobo8bobo2bo27b2obo3bobo2bo$10bo63b2o2b2o30b
o3b2o2b2o$10b2o98b2o$68b2ob2o$65bobob2obo$64bob2o$62b3o3bob2o$61bo3b3o
3bo$62b3o3b3o$64bo2bo$67b2o!

I guess the fact that, unlike the P52 example, the supports of the p21 aren't mutually interchangeable (see the failed dimers below) makes them different, since they have different properties despite sharing some phases.

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x = 90, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
16b2o42b2o$15b4o40b4o$14bobob2o38bobob2o$14b2o3b2o37b2o3b2o$19bo43bo$
21bo43bo$18b3o41b3o$17b2o2b2o38b2o2b2o$14b2o2b2o38b2o2b2o$16b3o41b3o$
15bo43bo$17bo43bo$16b2o3b2o37b2o3b2o$17b2obobo38b2obobo$18b4o40b4o6b2o
$19b2o42b2o7bo3b2o$74bo2bo$73b2obo$5b2o2b2o38b2o2b2o18bo2b4o8bo$5bo2b
obo8bobo7b2o18bo2bobo8bobo7b3o3bo6b3o$6bobo9bobob2o6bo19bobo9bobob2o5b
o2b4o5bo$5b2obo9bobo9bob2o15b2obo9bobo8b2obo2bo4bobo$2bobo2bo5b2o4bo7b
2ob2obo12bobo2bo5b2o4bo5bo4bob2o2bo2b4o$2b2ob2o21bo17b2ob2o18bo4bobob
o2bo5b2o$5bo22bo20bo25b2ob4obob2o2bo$5bo21b2ob2o17bo27bo4b2obo2bo$ob2o
b2o7bo11bo2bobo12bob2ob2o7bo18bob2o5b2o$2obo9bobo9bob2o15b2obo9bobo16b
2obo$3bo6b2obobo9bobo19bo6b2obobo19bo$3b2o7bobo8bobo2bo18b2o7bobo20b2o
$23b2o2b2o2$17b2ob2o39b2ob2o$14bobob2obo36bobob2obo$13bob2o40bob2o$11b
3o3bob2o34b3o3bob2o$10bo3b3o3bo33bo3b3o3bo$11b3o3b3o35b3o3b3o$13bo2bo
40bo2bo$16b2o42b2o!

[WhiteHawk]

It provides an alternative completion to this p7: new on the left, old on the right:

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Does this count as a p7 pi-heptomino hassler?

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x = 27, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$4bo$2bo$2b5o$6bo14b2o$4bo4bobo9bobo$2obobo3bobo11bo$2obo5b3o3b3o
5bob2o$3bo11bobo3bobob2o$3bobo9bobo4bo$4b2o14bo$20b5o$24bo$22bo$22b2o
!

[PK22]

Does this count as a p7 pi-heptomino hassler?

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x = 27, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$4bo$2bo$2b5o$6bo14b2o$4bo4bobo9bobo$2obobo3bobo11bo$2obo5b3o3b3o
5bob2o$3bo11bobo3bobob2o$3bobo9bobo4bo$4b2o14bo$20b5o$24bo$22bo$22b2o
!

No. A hassler needs to have supports that are stable/periodic without the hassled object. If the supports and object are mutually dependent on each other, then it is usually referred to as a 'dependent hassler'.

[WhiteHawk]

Does this count as a p7 pi-heptomino hassler?

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No. A hassler needs to have supports that are stable/periodic without the hassled object. If the supports and object are mutually dependent on each other, then it is usually referred to as a 'dependent hassler'.

But wouldn't most fleet hasslers fail to meet this definition since they rely on blinkers which would otherwise cause the supporting oscillator to fail if they weren't removed.

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x = 117, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
22bo$13b2o6b3o$13bobo4bo3bo13b2o$14b2o3bo2b2o14bo$10b2o7bob2o3b3o7bob
o60bo$9bobo7b3o3b2obo7b2o52b2o6b3o$9bo14b2o2bo3b2o56bobo4bo3bo13b2o$8b
2o13bo3bo4bobo56b2o3bo2b2o14bo$24b3o6b2o52b2o7bob2o3b3o7bobo$b2o5b2o3b
o11bo60bobo7b3o3b2obo7b2o$b2o5b2o3b3o70bo14b2o2bo3b2o$16bo68b2o13bo3b
o4bobo$15b2o84b3o6b2o$3o5b3o67b2o5b2o3bo11bo$obo5bobo67b2o5b2o3b3o$o2b
o3bo2bo82bo$b2o5b2o82b2o$2b2o3b2o10b3o55b3o5b3o$18b3o56bobo5bobo$17bo
2bo56bo2bo3bo2bo$17b3o58b2o5b2o$18bo60b2o3b2o10b3o$b2o5b2o85b3o$b2o5b
2o84bo2bo$94b3o$47b2o46bo$47b2o29b2o5b2o$78b2o5b2o$30b2o$30bobo14b3o$
15bo15b2o14bobo$14bobo6b5o5b2o12bob2o$14bo2bo9b2o4bobo11bob2o$15b2o6b
4obo5b2o8b2obobo$27b2o14bo3bob2o41bo$29b2o12b2o46bobo$29bobo59bo2bo$15b
2o13b2o60b2o$15b2o2$54b2o5b2o$54b2o5b2o29b2o$92b2o3$40b2o$39bo2bo12b2o
3b2o$39bo2bo11b2o5b2o$39bobo11bo2bo3bo2bo$53bobo5bobo$53b3o5b3o$47b2o
$47bo$48b3o3b2o5b2o$38bo11bo3b2o5b2o$29b2o6b3o$29bobo4bo3bo13b2o$30b2o
3bo2b2o14bo$26b2o7bob2o3b3o7bobo$25bobo7b3o3b2obo7b2o$25bo14b2o2bo3b2o
$24b2o13bo3bo4bobo$40b3o6b2o$41bo!

[WhiteHawk]

Doublepost, but I would like to get an answer concerning this question

On the P52 section of the honey farm shuttles page, can it be edited so that the three HF shuttles here (the right one is a hybrid of the other two) are mentioned as "two similar P52s and a hybrid" or something like that?

Yet the P52 HF hassler in the middle here is considered to be a reduction of the one on the left, despite being similarly different enough?

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Why are these three P21 honey farm hasslers considered to be “just different enough to be distinct”?

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Yet the P52 HF hassler in the middle here is considered to be a reduction of the one on the left, despite being similarly different enough?

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Edit: Here are the two P52s overlaid on top of each other, showing that the hassled part differs in evolution for long enough:

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I guess the fact that, unlike the P52 example, the supports of the p21 aren't mutually interchangeable (see the failed dimers below) makes them different, since they have different properties despite sharing some phases.

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[hth3]

Would this count as a pi, twin bees, phi, traffic light, or pentadecathlon hassler?

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x = 46, y = 69, rule = B3/S23
20b2o5b2o$20b2o5b2o10$20bo7bo2$18b3o7b3o$19b2ob2ob2ob2o$20b3o3b3o$21b
o5bo6$9b2o24b2o$10bo24bo$9bo26bo$9b2o24b2o2$2b2o23b2o13b2o$3bo23b2o13b
o$2bo7b3o20b3o7bo$2b2o5bo3bo9b2o7bo3bo5b2o$9b2o3bo7bo8bo3b2o$2b2o11bo
7b2o5bo11b2o$2bobo7bo2bo14bo2bo7bobo$3bo11bo14bo11bo$3o6b2o3bo16bo3b2o
6b3o$o8bo3bo7b2o9bo3bo8bo$10b3o10bo9b3o$21b2o2$17b2o$17b2o2$10b2o22b2o
$6b2o2b2o22b2o2b2o$5bobo30bobo$5bo34bo$4b2o34b2o5$18bo5bo$17b3o3b3o$16b
2ob2ob2ob2o$15b3o7b3o2$17bo7bo10$17b2o5b2o$17b2o5b2o!

[WhiteHawk]

I reduced it by six cells.

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Should I update Century hasslers#p8?

Does this count as a century hassler?

[MathAndCode]

I reduced it by six cells.

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Should I update Century hasslers#p8?

Does this count as a century hassler?

If the potential problem that you were worried about is the fact that we never actually see a century, only a century child, that is fine. Plenty of things called pi-heptomino hasslers instead make 3o$2o$3o, and some things called B-heptomino hasslers instead make B-heptaplets or C-heptominoes.

[WhiteHawk]

P76 and P64 TL hasslers:

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Are the hasslers which use this actually TL hasslers?

Also which hasslers of these forms are notable?