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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 15th, 2017, 8:16 pm
by toroidalet
7c/27 orthogonal, 72 cells
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x = 15, y = 66, rule = B2k3/S23-a4i
o$o5b3o$o4$13bo$13b2o$12b2o$bo$b2o$2o2$12b2o$13b2o$13bo$2o$b2o$bo10$bo
11bo$b2o10b2o$2o10b2o5$2o10b2o$b2o10b2o$bo11bo10$bo$b2o$2o$13bo$13b2o$
12b2o2$2o$b2o$bo$12b2o$13b2o$13bo4$o$o5b3o$o!
(4,6)c/30, 9 cells
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x = 6, y = 3, rule = B2k3-jq6a78/S2e3-qy4-city5-eq6a
3b3o$3ob2o$5bo!
6c/22 diagonal, 72 cells
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x = 21, y = 21, rule = B3-jq6a78/S2e3-qy4-city56a
11bo2$6b2o$5b3o$6bob2o$3bo3b2o4b3o4bo$2b3o8b3o3b2o$2b2obo13b2o$4b2o5b
2o$4bo6b2o4b2o$19bo$o7b2o7bob2o$8b2o7b3o$5b2o11bo$5b2o$5b2o2$9bob2o$9b
o2b2o$6b2o2b3o$5b3o3bo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 17th, 2017, 9:04 am
by AforAmpere
It took a while, but here is orthogonal speeds, along with an updated oblique speeds file. The orthogonal speeds contains everything from the original list, the NSWSS thread, here, and a lot more. It will be a while before the diagonal speeds file is ready. I will use AbhpzTa's rue when it has minimum population, because it still counts as a ship. For example, I used a C/26 orthogonal from his rule because it had a lower minimum population than the previously smallest ship.
EDIT: Finally, a 5c/12!, added it.
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x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ce3ai/S1c24-i5
2bo$bobo$o4bo$bo4bo$o4bo$bobo$2bo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 18th, 2017, 3:48 pm
by 83bismuth38
toroidalet wrote:Most rules generally contain 1-2 natural ships or puffers that can be made into ships.
yeah, except pretty much every rule i search. (either not interesting or explosive)
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 18th, 2017, 7:23 pm
by wwei23
toroidalet wrote:wwei23 wrote:I was lucky enough to find a rule with TWO tiny spaceships of different speeds(B2-a3/S2a with 4c/12 flipper and c/4 not flipper).
Most rules generally contain 1-2 natural ships or puffers that can be made into ships.
Usually I only get 1.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 20th, 2017, 11:41 am
by AforAmpere
Here is a collection of a lot of ships, from various places, and all from the previous collection, it also has everything from this thread:
EDIT, extremely important update, now has ridiculous quantities of three-cell ships, thanks to Wildmyron's new spaceship script, Ill leave it to him to share it. I have not gotten even close to adding all of the stuff from it, but there is a lot here. There are probably about 50 new knightships in the oblique ships file.
Another edit, here is a smaller B1e c/2 diagonal for A for Awesome:
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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B1e2c3ar/S01e4i5i6ai
obo$o$b2o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 22nd, 2017, 8:25 pm
by AforAmpere
Next major update, there are 3-cell (2,1)c/x for x from 5-23 and 25-26, and what I believe to be all ships with period 28 or less. These are some speeds that I need for non B2a or B1e rules. If anyone has found any of these, please submit them here.
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6c/13
7c/15
8c/17
5c/18
9c/19
7c/19
9-7c/20
10c/21
9c/21
7c/21
9c/22
4c/13 d
5c/15 d
4c/17 d
6c/18 d
5c/18 d
6c/19 d
5c/19 d
4c/19 d
6c/20 d
7-5c/21 d
3c/21 d
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 22nd, 2017, 9:08 pm
by toroidalet
9-cell 54c/506 ship:
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x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2i34ik7/S23-a4ikn5j7
2bo$b3o$bobo$ob2o!
11-cell 4c/115 ship:
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x = 6, y = 7, rule = B2i3-c4cet8/S23-c4e
bobo$4bo$o4bo$5bo$o4bo$4bo$bobo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 23rd, 2017, 1:57 pm
by wwei23
6c/16(Smallest I could find):
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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B2e3/S23-r
5b2o$5b2o$b2o$3o$b2o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 24th, 2017, 4:55 am
by drc
2c/34 ortho, 9 cells:
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x = 7, y = 3, rule = B3/S2-c3-n4ekrz5y7e
2o4bo$2o2b3o$5bo!
(9,7)c/276, 9 cells:
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x = 3, y = 5, rule = B3/S2-c3-n4eikrz5y7e
3o$3o2$b2o$bo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 24th, 2017, 9:35 am
by AforAmpere
Thanks, added them, the 2c/34 and 6c/16 orthogonal had a 3-cell example, I just haven't added them in yet, but thanks. The next update will probably have a bunch of new speeds, I have still not added all known 3 cell ships. The hardest speeds to find are those just under c/2 with an odd period, like 6c/13. Based on the new 3c/5, which is in the orthogonal collection, I feel like a 3c/4 orthogonal is close.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 24th, 2017, 11:13 am
by toroidalet
I'm really struggling to post stuff here, what with the invincible 3-cell ships for most speeds, but here's one:
48-cell 14c/44 ship
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x = 19, y = 48, rule = B3-n4w/S23-a4-i
2b4o$2bo2bo$o7$10b3o$12bo$10bo2bo$12bo$10b3o7$o$2bo2bo$2b4o3$7b4o$7bo
2bo$5bo7$15b3o$17bo$15bo2bo$17bo$15b3o7$5bo$7bo2bo$7b4o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 24th, 2017, 2:30 pm
by AforAmpere
That did not have a three-cell example, most periods above 25, with high numerators, especially prime numerators will not have examples yet. The three-cell list really thins out after p25, so there is a better chance there, or if you find a ship in this speeds above.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 28th, 2017, 8:03 pm
by toroidalet
7-cell 5c/34 diagonal
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x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2n3-n4ejy/S23-a4-ikry
b2o$o2bo$obo$bo!
58-cell 16c/41 orthogonal.
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x = 22, y = 25, rule = B2n3-n4w5y/S23-a4-ikry
3b3o$4bo$2obo3bo8b2o$2o2b2o9bo$3bobo9bo$16b2ob2o$17bo2bo$17bo2bo$16b2o
b2o$15bo$15bo$7b2o7b2o$6b2o3$17b2o$16bo$16bo$17b2ob2o$18bo2bo$18bo2bo$
17b2ob2o$16bo$16bo$17b2o!
Nicely similar to the 16c/40 orthogonal ship I posted earlier.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 29th, 2017, 11:03 am
by AforAmpere
5c/34 diagonal had an example, but the 16c/41 orthogonal does not, nice! I will upload a file with all known up to p50 soon, I have not quite finished.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 30th, 2017, 3:25 pm
by muzik
0.5c/1:
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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B01367/S0124
o$bo$bo$o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 30th, 2017, 3:52 pm
by wwei23
muzik wrote:0.5c/1:
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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B01367/S0124
o$bo$bo$o!
Strobe lights, anyone?
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 30th, 2017, 4:12 pm
by praosylen
muzik wrote:0.5c/1:
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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B01367/S0124
o$bo$bo$o!
I don't think that counts. It's not the same pattern on even and odd gens -- it just looks like it.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 30th, 2017, 4:45 pm
by muzik
It's the closest we can get.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: August 2nd, 2017, 1:16 pm
by AforAmpere
It has been a long time since an update for the collection, so here is one, with all of my 3 cell ships up to p100, that I had. This collection now contains probably 300 more ships than the last update, and now allows any contributors to know if there is a three-cell example. I need to add examples for the orthogonal speeds of c/N, where I don't have an example, but that will come later.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: August 2nd, 2017, 6:08 pm
by muzik
2c/84:
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x = 3, y = 4, rule = B3458/S056
2b9o$2o9b2o$2bob5obo$2o9b2o$2bob2ob2obo$bo4bo4bo$3b2obob2o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: August 2nd, 2017, 7:45 pm
by AforAmpere
muzik wrote:2c/84:
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x = 3, y = 4, rule = B3458/S056
2b9o$2o9b2o$2bob5obo$2o9b2o$2bob2ob2obo$bo4bo4bo$3b2obob2o!
Thanks, that is a new speed, but from now on, please orient the ship so that it glides right, and in the phase with the minimum population. Toroidalet does it up higher in the post, if an example is needed.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: August 2nd, 2017, 7:59 pm
by muzik
2c/53
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x = 7, y = 10, rule = B347/S01568
5bo2$2bobobo$3b2o$o2b3o$o2b3o$3b2o$2bobobo2$5bo!
2c/61
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x = 7, y = 6, rule = B3478/S137
3b3o$6bo$2o$2o$6bo$3b3o!
2c/63
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x = 4, y = 11, rule = B34578/S26
bo$2bo$o2bo$o2bo$o2bo$3o$o2bo$o2bo$o2bo$2bo$bo!
Why don't you check the raw glider database for high-priority speeds? That's how i found these last 4
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: August 2nd, 2017, 10:31 pm
by toroidalet
muzik wrote:Why don't you check the raw glider database for high-priority speeds?
I think that at the moment priority speeds are below period 50.
Your 2c/84, fixed:
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x = 10, y = 13, rule = B3458/S056
3bobo$bobobo$2bobobo$o5bo$obo5bo$bo6bo$o7b2o$bo6bo$obo5bo$o5bo$2bobobo
$bobobo$3bobo!
33 cells
(Smaller population+moves to the right)
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: August 3rd, 2017, 12:31 pm
by muzik
c/49:
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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B345/S04578
bobobo$b2ob2o$5b2o$ob2obo$2bobobo!
c/59:
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x = 14, y = 8, rule = B367/S035678
9bo$2b8o$2b9o$14o$14o$2b9o$2b8o$9bo!
c/63:
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x = 7, y = 9, rule = B367/S035678
6bo$bob3o$2b4o$b5o$6o$b5o$2b4o$bob3o$6bo!
c/70:
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x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3568/S3468
2b4o$3b4o2$obo2$3b4o$2b4o!
c/81:
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x = 19, y = 16, rule = B3457/S05
9bobo$9bobo$8bobobobo$8bo5bo$8bo7bo$8bo7bo$2bobobobo9bo$o7bo9bo$o7bo9b
o$2bobobobo9bo$8bo7bo$8bo7bo$8bo5bo$8bobobobo$9bobo$9bobo!
c/86:
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x = 9, y = 8, rule = B3468/S0278
bo6bo$3bo2b3o$o2bo2bo$2bo3bo$2bo3bo$o2bo2bo$3bo2b3o$bo6bo!
c/87:
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x = 8, y = 9, rule = B345/S4578
2bobo$2b3o$2o3b2o$5b3o$2o4b2o$5b3o$2o3b2o$2b3o$2bobo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: August 3rd, 2017, 12:35 pm
by muzik
c/89:
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x = 16, y = 11, rule = B3457/S057
6bo$6bobo$bo3bobobo$5bo7bo$5bobobo2b2obo$o4bobo5bo$5bobobo2b2obo$5bo7b
o$bo3bobobo$6bobo$6bo!
c/92:
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x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3468/S01678
3bo$3o$4b2o$6bo$4b2o$3o$3bo!