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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 11th, 2015, 3:29 am
by Scorbie
dvgrn wrote:Now, if we're allowed to just stick 3x3 tiles next to each other, we can still build lots of things that aren't still lifes. For example, one parity of a glider can be divided into two Still-Life Compatible 3x3s. It doesn't do any good to go to N>3, because you could still build a glider with two SLC tiles for any size N. So how do we make sure that we can build all still lifes and nothing but still lifes using this set?
Actually, it's really easy to mess up(i.e. build a non-still-life) with only tiling. If you restrict the tiles so that tiling up makes only still lifes,
i) Obviously you'll need to include the blank tile.
ii) If a tile T is in the set, then tile T surrounded by blank tiles should be stable, so tile T should be stable itself.
iii) If a tile T is in the set, then the plane tiled by T should be stable.
ii) and iii) restricts the tiles a LOT. I don't think most of the still lifes can be covered by these tiles at all. i.e. Can you build a Long^n table with sufficiently big n with NxN tiles that satisfy ii) and iii)?
EDIT: And that means you should restrict the neighbor tiles a tile can have.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 18th, 2015, 3:43 am
by Bullet51
28-cell still life + 1 cell = 29-cell P5:
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x = 11, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
2o2bo$o$b3o$4bo$b2o2bobob2o$o2b3ob2obo$bo4bo$2b3obo$4b2o!
I'm not sure whether the still life is synthesizable.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 18th, 2015, 4:48 am
by BobShemyakin
Bullet51 wrote:28-cell still life + 1 cell = 29-cell P5:
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x = 11, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
2o2bo$o$b3o$4bo$b2o2bobob2o$o2b3ob2obo$bo4bo$2b3obo$4b2o!
I'm not sure whether the still life is synthesizable.
1 cell substituting 2 glider, we get:
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x = 11, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
8bobo$5bo2b2o$3bobo3bo$4b2o$2o$o$b3o$4bo$b2o2bobob2o$o2b3ob2obo$bo4bo$
2b3obo$4b2o!
Bob Shemyakin
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 18th, 2015, 1:13 pm
by gmc_nxtman
Found by drifter, correct?
Weird eating reaction:
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x = 15, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo3$8b2o$8b2o$5bo$6bo$4b3o$8b2obo$8b2ob3o$14bo$8b2ob3o$9bobo$
9bobo$10bo!
Strange G9 to H reaction:
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x = 11, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo4$4b2o$4b2o$bo$2bo$3o$4b2obo$4b2ob3o$10bo$4b2ob3o$5bobo$5bob
o$6bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 18th, 2015, 1:43 pm
by M. I. Wright
That's been mentioned
before, although it's not in the elementary conduits collection (presumably because there isn't an X->G9 that produces correctly-spaced gliders)
Speaking of the collection, does this R->B have an input?
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x = 20, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
8.A$A6.A.A$3A5.A$3.A$2.2A3$6.E10.D$6.2E10.D$5.2E11.2D$17.2D$17.D!
!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 18th, 2015, 2:09 pm
by dvgrn
M. I. Wright wrote:Speaking of the collection, does this R->B have an input?
Surprisingly, yes. It''s used in one of the very useful old L156 variants that sends an extra glider forward relative to the output Herschel.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 20th, 2015, 6:43 pm
by Scorbie
Partial tandem g6 -> junk with bait recovery. The bait reconvers only for a short time. Can anything be done with it?
(EDIT) I guess I wouldn't be able to extract a herschel from this, so probably useless. (Guam's 2G->G is way better)
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x = 37, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$19bobo$19b2o$23b2o$23bobo$25bo$25bobo$26b2o$30b2o$29bobo$29b2o4$
18b2o$7b2o9b2o$7b2o3b2o8b2o$12bobo7bo$12bo7bobo$16bo3b2o2$15bo2bo2$2o
15bo2bo$2o11b3o$13bo5bo2bo$14bo2bo$21bo2bo$16bo2bo$23bo2bo$18bo2bo$25b
o2bo$20bo2bo$27bo2bo$22bo2bo$29bo2bo$24bo2bo$31bo2bo$26bo2bo$33bo2bo$
28bo2bo$35bo$30bo2bo2$32bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 21st, 2015, 10:44 am
by gmc_nxtman
Weird drifty thingy:
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x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4bo$4b3o$o6bo$ob6o2$ob6o$o6bo$4b3o$4bo!
Perhaps this reaction could be used to improve
65P13.1 synthesis?
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x = 19, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$7bo3bo$b2o5bobo5b2o$obo13bobo$bo7bo7bo$8bobo$9bo$9bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 22nd, 2015, 10:13 am
by Scorbie
Some time ago I was hoping if the following decomino ever occurred in a conduit search:
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x = 48, y = 105, rule = B3/S23
17b2o6b2o$16bo2bo4bo2bo$16bo10bo$16bo2bo4bo2bo$16b2o2bo2bo2b2o$17bo8bo
$18b2o4b2o2$b2o18b2o18b2o$obo38bobo$obob2o32b2obobo$bobobo32bobobo$3bo
12bo10bo12bo$bo2bo6bo3bobo8bobo3bo6bo2bo$4bo5bo4bo2bo6bo2bo4bo5bo$o3bo
4bo2bo5bo6bo5bo2bo4bo3bo$o3bo5bo4bo2bo6bo2bo4bo5bo3bo$4bo6bo3bobo8bobo
3bo6bo$bo2bo11bo10bo11bo2bo$3bo36bo$bobobo32bobobo$obob2o32b2obobo$obo
18b2o18bobo$b2o38b2o$20b2o2b2o$26bo$23bo2b2o$15b2o7b3o$16bo8bo$13b3o$
13bo20b2o$18b2o14bobo$18b2o4bo11bo$23bobo10b2o$22b3o$22bobo$23b2o$23b
3o$28bo$26bobo14b5o$27b2o13bo4bo$47bo$42bo3bo$44bo$23bob2o$21b3ob2o$
20bo$21b3ob2o$23bobo$23bobo$24bo28$24b2o$26bo$23bo2b2o$24b3o$25bo2$34b
2o$18b2o14bobo$18b2o16bo$36b2o11$23bob2o$21b3ob2o$20bo$21b3ob2o$23bobo
$23bobo$24bo!
Now we have Kazyan's H->MWSS but we still have to clean the hive which makes the conduit a little larger. I guess this would be marginally useful if something to this does exist.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 22nd, 2015, 8:07 pm
by Sphenocorona
A traffic light can be hassled at p21, though currently I only know how to do it with two p21 glider streams. However it can be mimicked by other patterns, so maybe there's some way to make a smaller oscillator:
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x = 16, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
4.C$3.C.C$3.C.C$.3C.2C$C4.B$.3CB2C$3.C.2C$5.5B$7.6B$6.2B2C3B$5.2BC2BC
4B$4.3B3C6B$4.11B$4.10B$4.10B$6.B.4B$2.C3.B$2.2C.B$.C.C!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 23rd, 2015, 8:21 am
by Scorbie
An almost-working g6--to-B/H... Too bad about that block...
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x = 39, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$12b2o5$13b2o$13b2o$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o10b2o$6bo7bobo$5bobo6bo$4bo2bo
10bo$5b2o$17bo2bo2$19bo2bo$15b3o$15bo5bo2bo$16bo2bo$23bo2bo$18bo2bo$
25bo2bo$20bo2bo$27bo2bo$22bo2bo$29bo2bo$24bo2bo$31bo2bo$26bo2bo$33bo2b
o$28bo2bo$35bo2bo$30bo2bo$37bo$32bo2bo2$34bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 24th, 2015, 3:03 am
by Scorbie
Not sure if useful but amusing R eater:
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x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
bo$b2o7b2o$2o8b2o5$4b2o$4b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 24th, 2015, 12:48 pm
by Scorbie
The closest I've got to a HWSS-to-X which is not even close...
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x = 31, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
13bo$13b3o13b2o$16bo12bo$15b2o10bobo$27b2o4$24b2o$24b2o$2b2o5bobobobob
obo$o4bo3bobobobobobo$6bo$o5bo2bobobobobobo$b6o$9bobobobobobo$9bobobob
obobo5$17b2o$17b2o!
Adding a catalyst makes it a teeny little nicer:
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x = 101, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
13bo69bo$13b3o13b2o52b3o13b2o$16bo12bo56bo12bo$15b2o10bobo55b2o10bobo$
27b2o68b2o4$24b2o68b2o$24b2o68b2o$2b2o5bobobobobobo52b2o5bobobobobobo$
o4bo3bobobobobobo50bo4bo3bobobobobobo$6bo69bo$o5bo2bobobobobobo50bo5bo
2bobobobobobo$b6o64b6o$9bobobobobobo59bobobobobobo$9bobobobobobo59bobo
bobobobo3$67b2o$5bo62bo$3b3o11b2o46b3o19b2o$2bo14b2o46bo21b2o$2b2o!
But I think just rebuilding the block with snarks would be way faster if you ask me.
(By the way, this was just a spartan search, so there would be more if one use non-spartan catalysts.)
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 24th, 2015, 4:36 pm
by BlinkerSpawn
This sacrificial block placement turns the junk from the first catalysis into a glider and an R traveling north from the south half of the HWSS lane.
Definitely not very workable.
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x = 55, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
37bo$37b3o13b2o$40bo12bo$39b2o10bobo$51b2o4$48b2o$48b2o$2b2o5bobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobo$o4bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$
6bo$o5bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$b6o$9bobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobo$9bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3$12b2o$12b2o
15bo$27b3o11b2o$26bo14b2o$26b2o!
EDIT: Any better?
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x = 56, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
37.A$37.3A13.2A$40.A12.A$39.2A.2B.2B3.BA.A$39.9B2.B2A$41.10B$40.11B$
40.11B$35.2B.10B2A3B$27.B6.14B2A4B$2.2C50B$C.3BC34BD14B$2.4BC33BD15B$
C5BC33BD7B2D6B$.6C40BD2BD4B$.20BD26B2D4B$3.18BD31B$15.6BD24B$16.6B3.
3B.5B.10B$17.4B9.3B3.3B.B.B$16.BD3B8.A6.3B2.3B$16.AC2D7.3A7.B2.B2AB$
16.2AD7.A14.2A$26.2A!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 24th, 2015, 8:38 pm
by Scorbie
@BlinkerSpawn Just in case if you tried something after reading this part of my post...
I wrote:But I think just rebuilding the block with snarks would be way faster if you ask me.
Sorry for the misleading wording. I meant this by: "Rather than using a messy block-restoring reaction, we could just use a clean sacrificial block reaction, and then just rebuild the block with snarks etc..."
If not, um your second reaction would be workable if it weren't for the sacrificial block... But if the reaction eventually needs a block to restore, I think using a sacrificial block in the first place would be cheaper... (especially because that mess seems hard to clean)
EDIT: Oh thunk has made an HWSS to G. Didn't notice.
Or maybe somebody can use the spark of the sparky HWSS eater?
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 25th, 2015, 5:20 am
by Bullet51
gmc_nxtman wrote:Found by drifter, correct?
Yes.
Still drifting:
P11 which is marked "UNKNOWN":
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x = 17, y = 17, rule = b3/s23
12bo$10b3o$9bo$8bo2b4o$4bo4b2o4bo$6b3o3b2o2bo$5bo3b3obob2o$5bo2bo4bobo
$3bobobobo3bobo$2bobobobo5bo$bo2bobo4b3o$bobo2bo3bo$2obobo4bob2o$3bob
4obob2o$3bo5bo$4bob3o$5b2o!
P4 beacon-hassling reaction:
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x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
15.A$13.3A$12.A$10.A2.A$7.A2.4A$7.A6.2A$7.A2.4A2.A$4.3A3.A2.A.2A$13.A
$12.2A$3.2A.2A$4.A.A$2.A.A.A2.A$.A.2A.4A$.A3.A$2A3.A.A$6.2A!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 25th, 2015, 5:46 am
by Scorbie
Bullet51 wrote:Still drifting:
For a week? I think you are likely to encounter previously unvisited search space if you have searched that long. I don't recognize the p11, and if it's marked as UNKNOWN, I'm almost sure that is a new oscillator.
Bullet51 wrote:P4 beacon-hassling reaction:
Interesting. I wonder if it can be emulated at higher periods.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 25th, 2015, 6:25 am
by Sokwe
Bullet51 wrote:P11 which is marked "UNKNOWN"
Very nice! Here is a slight stator reduction:
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x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
12bo$10b3o$9bo5bo$8bo2b5o$9b2o$12b2o$10b2obo$9bo3bob2o$3bo9bo2bo$2bobo
2bo6bo$bo2bobo4b3o$bobo2bo3bo$2obobo4bob2o$3bob4obob2o$3bo5bo$2b2o3bo$
7b2o!
Scorbie wrote:Bullet51 wrote:P4 beacon-hassling reaction:
Interesting. I wonder if it can be emulated at higher periods.
Apparently it can:
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x = 48, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
46b2o$41b3o2b2o$41bo$40bobo$6b2o3bo24b2ob2o$6b2ob2o25b2o3bo$4b2o4bobo
21b2o$4b2o5bo22b2o$11b3o2b2o$4bo11b2o16bo$3b2o28b2o$b2o2bo25b2o2bo$bob
o27bobo$bo29bo3$2o28b2o$2o28b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 26th, 2015, 5:44 pm
by praosylen
Is there any known way to place any of these sparks (it would yield a BTS variant synthesis)?
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x = 38, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
2bo5b2o$2b2o3bobo$o2bo3bo$5b3o$4bo$4bob4o$2bobobo2bo$2b2o7$2bo3b2o6bo
19bo$2b2o4b2o4bob2o4b3o3b3o4b3o$o2bo5bo7bo6bo2bo2bo6bo$21bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 28th, 2015, 9:29 am
by Scorbie
Not sure if this is useful but it sure is interesting!
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x = 7, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
2bobo$2bobo$2b3o9$b2ob2o$2bobo$obobobo$2o3b2o!
EDIT: Another interesting but even more useless one:
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x = 7, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2bobo$2bobo$2b3o7$bo3bo$obobobo$2o3b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 31st, 2015, 12:32 am
by Bullet51
It's my first time to see a tub involving in drifter reactions:
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x = 17, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
10bo$4b2o3bobob2o$5bo3bobobo2bo$5bob2o2bo3b2o$6bobobob3o$8bobobo2b2o$
7bo2bo2bobo$7b2ob2obobo$4bo3bobo2bob2o$bo2b4o3b2o$obo$bo2b4o3b2o$4bo3b
obo2bob2o$7b2ob2obobo$7bo2bo2bobo$8bobobo2b2o$6bobobob3o$5bob2o2bo3b2o
$5bo3bobobo2bo$4b2o3bobob2o$10bo!
Not sure if it's known.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 31st, 2015, 1:40 am
by Scorbie
Sadly, it was discovered by Sokwe last September...
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x = 47, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
4b2o9b2o13b2o9b2o$5bo9bo15bo9bo$2obo13bob2o8bo13bo$ob3o11b3obo8b2o11b
2o$6bo7bo12b2o3bo7bo3b2o$4b2o2bo3bo2b2o9bo2b3o2bo3bo2b3o2bo$bobo3bobob
obo3bobo7bobo3bobobobo3bobo$b2ob3o2bobo2b3ob2o6b2o2b3o2bobo2b3o2b2o$4b
o2b2obob2o2bo11bobo2b2o3b2o2bobo$4bo5bo5bo11bobo11bobo$5b3obobob3o13bo
b4o3b4obo$7bobobobo17bo2bo3bo2bo$10bo20bobo5bobo$32bo7bo!
Which can be found on
jslife-osc-supplement.zip, if anyone's interested. That thread has links to a lot of interesting new discoveries, by the way.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 31st, 2015, 9:14 am
by Scorbie
useless-looking pi-to-R
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x = 24, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory
10.2A$9.B2AB$9.3B$10.B$8.4B$8.5B$8.5B$7.6B$6.8B$6.9B$7.8B$7.8B$8.8B$
7.11B$7.11B$6.11B$7.9B$6.BD6B5.2A$6.2D6B6.A$5.D2BD10B.A.2A$5.B2D9B2A.
A2.A$7.10B.A.2A$8.9B.A$7.9B.2A$6.10B$6.9B$6.9B$4.6B3CB$4.6BCB$4.6B3C$
2.2AB.8B$.A.AB3.6B$.A8.4B$2A7.B2A2B$10.2A!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 31st, 2015, 10:12 am
by Jackk
Is there any hope of restoring the sacrificial block here?
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x = 34, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory
3.2E$4.E$3.E$3.2E13.2E$4.B13.2E$4.3B$3.6B$2.10B$2.11B3.2B2.2B.3B$2BC
3B2C15BD3B$2B2C2B2C15BDBD2B$.2B2C18B3D2B4.2E$2.2C21BD2B4.2E$2.25B$4.
13B.B$4.7B.B!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: October 31st, 2015, 6:54 pm
by gmc_nxtman
Not too sure where to post this 3-glider middleweight spark synthesis:
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x = 10, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
5.AB$3.2BABA$.D3B2A$.6B$D7B$.2B2A2B.B$.D2B2AB3A$3.AB.BA.B$8.A!
Or this 10c/19 butterfly fuse:
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x = 5, y = 48, rule = B3/S23
b2o$o2bo$2obo$b2o2$2bo$bobo$2b2o3$3bo$2bobo$2b2o3$2bo$bobo$2b2o3$3bo$
2bobo$2b2o3$2bo$bobo$2b2o3$3bo$2bobo$2b2o3$2bo$bobo$2b2o3$3bo$2bobo$2b
2o3$2bo$bobo$2b2o!