Re: Thread for your miscellaneous posts and discussions
Posted: January 1st, 2025, 2:19 am
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If the author of the post chooses to use some of their time to make and maintain a single stamp collection RLE edited in a single forum post, then that means that only the author of the post will need to use more time/efforts, once per update.
I feel like editing the original RLE isn't strictly necessary (just describe all patterns in the RLE in the edit), but I generally agree. I have been so annoyed at 2018 me for not providing any descriptions for patterns.confocaloid wrote: January 1st, 2025, 11:00 am If the author of the post chooses to use some of their time to make and maintain a single stamp collection RLE edited in a single forum post, then that means that only the author of the post will need to use more time/efforts, once per update.
However, all the readers will have to spend less time and less efforts to get the really interesting information.
If the author of the post chooses to just dump all the updates as a chain of small RLEs with little or no meaningful comments, then that means that only the author of the post will save some time/efforts right now.
However, all the readers will have to spend more time and more efforts to understand which of these small RLEs are really interesting, and for what reason.
Now, wait several weeks or months, then return back to your post and try to read it again, and I think you might have to include yourself among the readers of your post having substantial difficulties with extracting some meaning that wasn't communicated well.
It's better to do more efforts just once to communicate what's interesting and why it's interesting, instead of having many people repeatedly spending the same efforts that really should be unnecessary.
confocaloid wrote: December 30th, 2024, 3:05 pm Is this a new p164 mod41 pi-heptomino hassler?Code: Select all
x = 85, y = 85, rule = B3/S23 33bob2ob2ob2o$33b2obobo3bo$31b2o3bo2b3o$30bo3b2obobo$31b3obobo$33bobob 2o$34bo$23bo$23b3o$26bo$19b2o4b2o11b2o$20bo17b2o18b2o$20bobo35bo6b2o$ 21b2o36b3obo2bo$50b2o4b3o3b4o$24b2o19b2obo4bobo3b2o$23bo2bo18bo10b3o2b 3o$24bobo19b2o6b2o4bo2bo$12b2o11bo17b3o2b6o2bob2obo$12bobo28bo2bo8b2ob o2b2o11bo$14bo29b2o12bobo11b3o$13b2ob2o5b2o33b2ob2o8bo$14bobo2bobo2bo 36bo9b2o$13bo2bob2ob3o37bobo4bo7b2o$13bobobo2bo41b2o3bobo6bo$11bobobo 2bo2bo12b2o19b2o9bo2bo4bobo$11b2obobob4o12b2o19b2o10b2o5b2o$14bobo$14b obob2o5b2o$15bobobo5b2o$17bo63bo$17b2o47bo13bobo$17b3o13bo31b2o13bobo$ 17b3o12bobo29b2o13b2o2b2o$17b3o11bo3bo27b2o2b3o8bo2bobo$17b3o11bo3bo 28b2obo2b2o7b3o2bo$17b2o12b2ob2o31bo14b3o$17bo54b2o5b3o$15bobobo48bo5b o4bo3b2o$15b2obobo46bo6bo6b2obo$18bobo47bob2obo8bo$18b2o49bo12bobo$2o 81b2o$obo62b2o$2bo24bobo34bobo$ob2o6b2o15b2o35bobob2o$2o3bo4b2o16bo36b obobo$3b3o61bo$3o64b2o$o2b3o61b3o$bobo2bo60b3o$2o2b2o61b3o$2bobo62b3o$ 2bobo62b2o$3bo63bo$58b2o5bobobo$58b2o5b2obobo$68bobo$9b2o5b2o10b2o33b 4obobob2o$8bobo4bo2bo9b2o33bo2bo2bobobo$8bo6bobo3b2o41bo2bobobo$7b2o7b o4bobo37b3ob2obo2bo$12b2o9bo36bo2bobo2bobo$13bo8b2ob2o33b2o5b2ob2o$10b 3o11bobo6b2o4b2o29bo$10bo11b2o2bob2obo4bobo2bo13bo14bobo$23bob2obo10b 3o14bo2bo11b2o$21bo2bo4b2o6b2o15b5obo$21b3o2b3o2b6o2bo18bo2bo$24b2o3bo 8b2o19b2o$19b4o3b3o$18bo2bob3o36b2o$18b2o6bo35bobo$25b2o18b2o17bo$45b 2o11b2o4b2o$58bo$59b3o$61bo$50bo$46b2obobo$47bobob3o$45bobob2o3bo$43b 3o2bo3b2o$42bo3bobob2o$42b2ob2ob2obo!
this is a reduction by around 44%, which may be one of the largest reductions for an oscillator. it does not beat 248P199 -> 84P199; however, there may still be more reductions to be made.Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: December 31st, 2024, 11:58 pm Yet another reduction:Code: Select all
x = 71, y = 71, rule = B3/S23 16bo$16b3o$19bo$12b2o4b2o$13bo$13bobo21b2o$14b2o21bo$34b2obo$17b2o15b 2ob2o$16bo2bo18bo14bo$17bobo18bobo9bobobo$18bo20b2o2b2o5b2o2bo$43b2o9b 2o11bo$50b4o11b3o$16b2o31bo4b2o8bo$12bobo2bo18b3o9bo2b2obo9b2o$10b3ob 3o18b3o11b2obobobo4bo7b2o$9bo3bo41b2o3bobo6bo$10bo2bob2o10b2o30bo2bo4b obo$11bobobo11b2o31b2o5b2o$10b2obo2bo$14bobo$15bo2$59bo$26bo31b2o$11b 2o12bobo29b2o$11b2o11bo3bo27b2o2b3o$24bo3bo28b2obo2b2o$24b2ob2o31bo$ 10b2o52bo$11bo50b2o$5bo2b3o4b2o$5b4o5bo$17bo44b2o$7b2o6b2o37b2o6b2o$7b 2o44bo$20bobo33bo5b4o$20b2o32b2o4b3o2bo$21bo37bo$59b2o3$58b2o$58b2o4$ 55bo$54bobo$54bo2bob2o$2b2o5b2o44bobobo$bobo4bo2bo42b2obo2bo$bo6bobo3b 2o41bo3bo$2o7bo4bobobob2o11b3o18b3ob3o$5b2o9bob2o2bo9b3o18bo2bobo$6bo 8b2o4bo31b2o$3b3o11b4o$3bo11b2o9b2o20bo$16bo2b2o5b2o2b2o17bo2bo$16bobo bo9bobo14b5obo$17bo14bo18bo2bo$32b2ob2o15b2o$33bob2o$33bo21b2o$32b2o 21bobo$57bo$51b2o4b2o$51bo$52b3o$54bo!
get_Snacked wrote: January 11th, 2025, 11:18 pm the fishhooks next to the blocks were unnecessary if you moved the toads to another position, giving a 44-cell reduction:Code: Select all
x = 71, y = 71, rule = B3/S23 16bo$16b3o$19bo$12b2o4b2o$13bo$13bobo$14b2o$34b2o$17b2o15b2o$16bo2bo33b o$17bobo30bobobo$18bo24b2o5b2o2bo$43b2o9b2o11bo$50b4o11b3o$16b2o31bo4b 2o8bo$12bobo2bo19b3o8bo2b2obo9b2o$10b3ob3o19b3o10b2obobobo4bo7b2o$9bo 3bo41b2o3bobo6bo$10bo2bob2o10b2o30bo2bo4bobo$11bobobo11b2o31b2o5b2o$10b 2obo2bo$14bobo$15bo2$59bo$26bo31b2o$11b2o12bobo29b2o$11b2o11bo3bo27b2o 2b3o$24bo3bo28b2obo2b2o$24b2ob2o31bo$64bo$15b2o45b2o$14bo$17bo$15b2o45b 2o$7b2o53b2o$7b2o45b2o$20bobo30bo$20b2o34bo$21bo32b2o4$58b2o$58b2o4$55b o$54bobo$54bo2bob2o$2b2o5b2o44bobobo$bobo4bo2bo42b2obo2bo$bo6bobo3b2o 41bo3bo$2o7bo4bobobob2o10b3o19b3ob3o$5b2o9bob2o2bo8b3o19bo2bobo$6bo8b 2o4bo31b2o$3b3o11b4o$3bo11b2o9b2o20bo$16bo2b2o5b2o21bo2bo$16bobobo26b 5obo$17bo33bo2bo$35b2o15b2o$35b2o$55b2o$55bobo$57bo$51b2o4b2o$51bo$52b 3o$54bo!
I moved this from the "CA empires" thread, in which it was clearly off-topic.unname4798 wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:35 am The Coolout Conjecture was proven in February 29th of 2000.
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Technically no, because those two posts were about Tommy himself.Sokwe wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:29 am There have been two violations of the thread rules since I last posted (one of which I edited out). Thread locked.
One violation was for off-topic content that I edited out. The other was for more than one post by a user within a 24-hour period.hotcrystal0 wrote: January 4th, 2025, 10:23 amTechnically no, because those two posts were about Tommy himself.Sokwe wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:29 am There have been two violations of the thread rules since I last posted (one of which I edited out). Thread locked.
You can change it to "no posts about people", instead of "no posts about other people".
I feel like it's better for it to be made 12 hours, because I'm always annoyed when "once a day" is "once every 24 hours".Sokwe wrote: January 4th, 2025, 10:30 am One violation was for off-topic content that I edited out. The other was for more than one post by a user within a 24-hour period.
As far as I can tell, I never seem to have said "once a day". In each case I've said "in a 24-hour period" in order to be completely unambiguous. That is how the rule is stated in the thread.hotcrystal0 wrote: January 4th, 2025, 10:32 amI feel like it's better for it to be made 12 hours, because I'm always annoyed when "once a day" is "once every 24 hours".Sokwe wrote: January 4th, 2025, 10:30 am One violation was for off-topic content that I edited out. The other was for more than one post by a user within a 24-hour period.
I'm interested in good ways to formulate more directly what it means in this case to "do something unusual".KittyTac wrote: January 4th, 2025, 10:32 am Maybe also mention that new still-lives or p2 oscillators etc are not considered notable unless they do something unusual.
I'm not sure it can be formulated in a rigorous way. "Has an unique and useful reaction associated with it" (so the eater 1 with a blob wouldn't count because the actual reacting part is the same as the eater 1).confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 10:46 amI'm interested in good ways to formulate more directly what it means in this case to "do something unusual".KittyTac wrote: January 4th, 2025, 10:32 am Maybe also mention that new still-lives or p2 oscillators etc are not considered notable unless they do something unusual.
For example, I do understand that catalysts count (although how about useless variants of catalysts, like an eater 1 with a giant blob welded to it?)
What should be mentioned to explain the "do something unusual" part?
This is my personal opinion: The only instances in which double posting is okay is when you have no other option. This means reaching the character limit and not being able to edit in more "content" (RLEs, descriptions of RLEs, etc.), or having three files attached to your post and needing to attach more.CARuler wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:16 pmits been almost two months, I believe that after one month, the double posting rule doesn't need to be followedconfocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 7:08 pm I think either people need to learn to avoid clearly unnecessary doubleposting (forum rule 3a)
I agree with you on this one. Alternating checkerboard rules themselves are completely on-topic for the OCA forum, and this thread should not be moved just because any particular discoveries in it are low-effort. Not all fruit hangs at the same height.CARuler wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:16 pmi don't see any reason to do that, no one's posted in nearly two months. are you alright?confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 7:08 pmperhaps this forum thread should be moved into Sandbox due to being too low-effort and noisy and cluttering the forums.
Just because the underlying idea or concept is on-topic for the OCA forum, doesn't automatically mean that the particular implementation of that idea belongs to the OCA forum.wwei47 wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:41 pm [...] Alternating checkerboard rules themselves are completely on-topic for the OCA forum, [...]
i do not believe the "are you alright" comment came from anything that you, yourself did not start.confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:47 pm
[highlight]At the point when it comes to "are you alright" type remarks [/highlight]and the thread is previously flooded by low-effort "dump" posts
1) I would set the bar lower for a sandbox threadconfocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:47 pm , it's pretty clear that the implementation doesn't deserve much more attention than a typical Sandbox thread.
Read again through all posts in the forum thread in question:
0 words:confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:55 pm
Please don't clutter threads by posting or reposting patterns with insufficient descriptions. It's generally expected that people who post will contribute something new of interest to others, [highlight]but many of your recent posts either fail to contribute anything new [/highlight], or fail to explain what is posted, or are otherwise low-effort and problematic.
if you actually look, i've been rulegolf a lot lately
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Aren't many of the older posts in that thread very interesting? I feel like that if we are to move anything to the sandbox, we should move the "low-effort posts" instead of the entire thread.confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:47 pmJust because the underlying idea or concept is on-topic for the OCA forum, doesn't automatically mean that the particular implementation of that idea belongs to the OCA forum.wwei47 wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:41 pm [...] Alternating checkerboard rules themselves are completely on-topic for the OCA forum, [...]
At the point when it comes to "are you alright" type remarks and the thread is previously flooded by low-effort "dump" posts, it's pretty clear that the implementation doesn't deserve much more attention than a typical Sandbox thread.
(And the underlying idea / the topic deserves a much better implementation than that.)
Hence I think many such threads should be moved into Sandbox. If you don't want to put in the effort to contribute to the topic, let other people show that the idea is interesting. Don't bury the interesting concept with low-effort "dump" posts.
Currently, the thread viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6718 contains several posts that just show specific examples of some patterns (without discussing the general idea). And there are only few general observations or otherwise interesting discussion about the topic.wwei47 wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:06 pmAren't many of the older posts in that thread very interesting? I feel like that if we are to move anything to the sandbox, we should move the "low-effort posts" instead of the entire thread.confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:47 pmJust because the underlying idea or concept is on-topic for the OCA forum, doesn't automatically mean that the particular implementation of that idea belongs to the OCA forum. [...][...]wwei47 wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:41 pm [...] Alternating checkerboard rules themselves are completely on-topic for the OCA forum, [...]
same can be said about a good amount of the other topicsconfocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:26 pm
And there are multiple big RLEs that are apparently random soups. It shouldn't be necessary to post them at all. If you want to post a spaceship, post a spaceship, don't post a 300-by-200 or so random pattern that at some point maybe produces the spaceship without even explaining when or how it does so.
confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:26 pm [...] I think it's better to move that thread (in its current state) in the Sandbox. (The same applies to other similar cases.)
so just move all those topics to the sandbox ok?confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:41 pm Existence of other low-effort content elsewhere doesn't support creating more and more such low-effort content at the expense of the shared environment.
confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:26 pm [...] I think it's better to move that thread (in its current state) in the Sandbox. (The same applies to other similar cases.)
I believe that this particular thread should not be moved to the sandbox, as its subject is reasonably appropriate for the OCA forum. However, I do think that the following criticisms have merit:confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:47 pmJust because the underlying idea or concept is on-topic for the OCA forum, doesn't automatically mean that the particular implementation of that idea belongs to the OCA forum.wwei47 wrote: January 4th, 2025, 8:41 pm [...] Alternating checkerboard rules themselves are completely on-topic for the OCA forum, [...]
It should generally be more clear what the posted patterns are demonstrating. This is the reason for rule 5(b), and many of the posts in that thread violate it, especially those by CARuler.confocaloid wrote: January 4th, 2025, 9:02 pm How many of those posts have reasonably well formatted patterns (i.e. not just random-looking blobs)?
How many of those posts have meaningful human-readable descriptions for the posted patterns?
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x = 65, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
27b2o$27bobo$29bo4b2o$25b4ob2o2bo2bo$25bo2bo3bobob2o$28bobobobo$29b2o
bobo$33bo2$19b2o$20bo8bo$20bobo5b2o$21b2o$35bo$36bo$34b3o2$25bo$25b2o
$24bobo4b2o22bo$31bo21b3o$32b3o17bo$34bo17b2o2$45bo$46b2o12b2o$45b2o14b
o$3b2o56bob2o$4bo9b2o37bo5b3o2bo$2bo10bobo37b2o3bo3b2o$2b5o8bo5b2o35b
2obo$7bo13bo22b2o15bo$4b3o12bobo21bobo12b3o$3bo15b2o22bo13bo$3bob2o35b
2o5bo8b5o$b2o3bo3b2o37bobo10bo$o2b3o5bo37b2o9bo$2obo56b2o$3bo14b2o$3b
2o12b2o$19bo2$11b2o17bo$12bo17b3o$9b3o21bo$9bo22b2o4bobo$38b2o$39bo2$
28b3o$28bo$29bo$42b2o$35b2o5bobo$35bo8bo$44b2o2$31bo$30bobob2o$30bobo
bobo$27b2obobo3bo2bo$27bo2bo2b2ob4o$29b2o4bo$35bobo$36b2o!
hotdogPi wrote: January 4th, 2025, 5:20 pm I'm on another forum where occasionally a bot will seem to post something relevant, although sometimes it's clear that it was AI-generated. After 6-10 days, the bot edits the post to add a spam link.
ColorfulGalaxy wrote:On another wiki website, I suffered from two different forms of vandalism within one day.