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Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 19th, 2025, 10:41 am
by LuveelVoom
Those are fuses, not crawlers. A crawler has to be reuseable (outputs it’s own still life or oscillator base behind it).

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 20th, 2025, 3:05 am
by mmmmmmmmm
Doing some more work on the boat and T reaction, found this thing that shifts the boat 2 cells, but very quickly.

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x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23-a5
7b2o$7bobo$2o6bo$obo$b2o3$9b3o$10bo!
This one makes a C, which is useless but interesting.

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x = 12, y = 13, rule = B3/S23-a5
7b2o$7bobo$8bo5$9b3o$10bo2$2o$obo$b2o!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 20th, 2025, 7:33 am
by ThePlayzr
Another fuse, this one is very dirty:

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x = 13, y = 174, rule = B3/S23-a5
3o$3o8$12bo$12bo$12bo$12bo8$3o$3o8$12bo$12bo$12bo$12bo8$3o$3o8$12bo$12b
o$12bo$12bo8$3o$3o8$12bo$12bo$12bo$12bo8$3o$3o8$12bo$12bo$12bo$12bo8$
3o$3o8$12bo$12bo$12bo$12bo8$3o$3o8$12bo$12bo$12bo$12bo8$3o$3o8$12bo$12b
o$12bo$12bo8$3o$3o9$3bo$b2ob2o$2bobo$3bo!
It produces a lot of spaceships, so although unlikely, perhaps we could make a self-supporting spaceship from it?
Also, hc0, I have noticed you have done some hauls for this rule. But unfortunately, the version you are using has bad separation and keeps recognizing groups of spaceships as 1 spaceship. If you are going to do hauls, please try to use a version that does not have faulty separation.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 21st, 2025, 1:59 am
by mmmmmmmmm
How many spaceships are known in this rule that are 20 cells or less?

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 21st, 2025, 2:44 am
by ThePlayzr
mmmmmmmmm wrote: August 21st, 2025, 1:59 am How many spaceships are known in this rule that are 20 cells or less?
for c/2 there are 8:

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x = 71, y = 10, rule = B3/S23-a5
2bo6b2o5bo10b2o8b2o8b2o11bo6bo$2ob2o2b2ob2o2b2ob2o6b2ob2o5b2ob2o5b2ob
2o9b3o3b2ob2o$bobo4bob2o3bobo8bob2o6bob2o6bob2o8bob2o4bobo$57b2o$8bo5b
o11bo9bo9bo10bob2o4bo$15b5o3b2o9bo18bo2b2o3bo3b6o$15b2obo3b2obo6b2obo
7b3o6b3o3bo5bob2obo$22b2obo7bobo6b2obo6b2ob2o7bo$42b2ob2o$33bo!
The 2nd last one is new.
for c/4 there are 3:

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x = 21, y = 9, rule = B3/S23-a5
3o4b3o6b3o$bo6bo8bo3$6bo3bo6bobo$5b3ob3o3bob4o$5b2o3b2o3bo4bo$8bo5bo3b
2o$15b2ob2o!
for c/4d there is 1:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3/S23-a5
3o$o$bo!
So there are 12:

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x = 99, y = 10, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o2b3o4bo6b2o5b3o6bo10b2o8b2o8b2o11bo6bo7b3o$2o4bo3b2ob2o2b2ob2o5bo5b
2ob2o6b2ob2o5b2ob2o5b2ob2o9b3o3b2ob2o6bo$2bo8bobo4bob2o12bobo8bob2o6b
ob2o6bob2o8bob2o4bobo$76b2o$18bo6bo3bo3bo11bo9bo9bo10bob2o4bo10bobo$24b
3ob3o3b5o3b2o9bo18bo2b2o3bo3b6o3bob4o$24b2o3b2o3b2obo3b2obo6b2obo7b3o
6b3o3bo5bob2obo4bo4bo$27bo13b2obo7bobo6b2obo6b2ob2o7bo8bo3b2o$61b2ob2o
27b2ob2o$52bo!
I am considering renaming this thread to "Travelling Ts and its variants", because I want to investigate B37/S23-a5 (C doesn't work), and B3/S23-a57 (more chaotic). Can someone apgsearch B37/S23-a5 and B3/S23-a57?

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23-a57
!
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Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 21st, 2025, 6:51 pm
by mmmmmmmmm
both of those new rules seem very interesting, and if you made this thread travelling Ts and its variants then i will contribute to both new rules. For example, there is a simple T insertion that has the minimum repeat time possible in B3/S23-a57:

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x = 14, y = 11, rule = B3/S23-a57
2bo$obo$b2o$11bo$12b2o$11bo3$5b3o$7bo$6bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 22nd, 2025, 2:00 am
by hotcrystal0
mmmmmmmmm wrote: August 21st, 2025, 6:51 pm both of those new rules seem very interesting, and if you made this thread travelling Ts and its variants then i will contribute to both new rules. For example, there is a simple T insertion that has the minimum repeat time possible in B3/S23-a57:

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x = 14, y = 11, rule = B3/S23-a57
2bo$obo$b2o$11bo$12b2o$11bo3$5b3o$7bo$6bo!
This works in B3/S23-a5 as well:

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x = 14, y = 11, rule = B3/S23-a5
2bo$obo$b2o$11bo$12b2o$11bo3$5b3o$7bo$6bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 22nd, 2025, 2:04 am
by ThePlayzr
I have been doing some c/3 searches in RLifeSrc, and have proved 3 things in this rule:
A c/3 spaceship must be at least 9 cells long.
A c/3 spaceship must be at least 13 cells wide.
A c/3 spaceship cannot fit in a 15x15 bounding box.
I also found a 9-cell long c/3 spaceship, proving that 9 cells is the minimum length for a c/3 spaceship:

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x = 61, y = 9, rule = B3/S23-a5
8bo43bo$2b2o2b2obo41bob2o2b2o$bob2o4b2o39b2o4b2obo$b2o2bobob2o2bo3bo3b
2ob3o2bobo2b3ob2o3bo3bo2b2obobo2b2o$b3o7b2ob5obob2o2bob2ob2obo2b2obob
5ob2o7b3o$2o3b2o2bob3o2bo2bo4bo2bobobobo2bo4bo2bo2b3obo2b2o3b2o$4b2o12b
ob2obo13bob2obo12b2o$9b2o3bo31bo3b2o$12bo10b2o11b2o10bo!
At 132 cells, it is pretty small for a c/5 spaceship. Note: the search did not find the spaceship directly, it found the left 3/4 of it and could not complete it because it was doing a 9x50 search.
Also, here is a p50 'p25s hassling big blinker' smaller than the one on SKOPs.

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x = 35, y = 18, rule = B3/S23-a5
26bo4bo$25b2o4b2o$24bobo4bobo$23b3o6b3o3$3bo4bo$2b2o4b2o7bo$bobo4bobo
6bo5b3o6b3o$3o6b3o5bo6bobo4bobo$17bo7b2o4b2o$26bo4bo3$3o6b3o$bobo4bob
o$2b2o4b2o$3bo4bo!
And a p75 (25,3) LCM:

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x = 24, y = 14, rule = B3/S23-a5
16b2o2b3o$16bo2b3obo$3bo4bo9b2ob2o$2b2o4b2o$bobo4bobo5b2o$3o6b3o4b4o5$
3o6b3o$bobo4bobo$2b2o4b2o$3bo4bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 22nd, 2025, 7:05 pm
by mmmmmmmmm
Can someone do another search for c/7? We only know one, so finding another would be cool.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 23rd, 2025, 7:30 pm
by R2INT
qfind -w 6 -s odd returns no results; here is the longest partial:

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x = 11, y = 50, rule = B3/S23-a5
3b2ob2o$2bobobobo$bo2bobo2bo$o3bobo3bo$b2obobob2o$b2obobob2o$3b
o3bo$4b3o$2bob3obo$2bob3obo$bo3bo3bo$bo2bobo2bo$5bo$3bo3bo2$4bob
o$3bobobo$2b3ob3o$3bo3bo$4b3o$5bo2$5bo$4b3o$3bobobo$3b2ob2o$4bob
o$3bo3bo$2bobobobo$3b5o$2b2obob2o$bobobobobo$bobobobobo$bo2b3o2b
o$4bobo$2b3ob3o$4bobo2$bo2b3o2bo$2ob5ob2o$2o7b2o$bobo3bobo$b2o5b
2o$3bobobo$bobo3bobo$b2obobob2o$b2o5b2o2$4b3o$3o2bo2b3o!
EDIT: Here is an ikpx2 partial:

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x = 12, y = 22, rule = B3/S23-a5
5b2o$4bo2bo$5b2o$bobo4bobo$2o3b2o3b2o$bo2bo2bo2bo$2o3b2o3b2o$4b4o3$4b
4o$5b2o$4bo2bo2$5b2o$2bo6bo$2o3b2o3b2o$2bo2b2o2bo$b2obo2bob2o2$3b6o$b
ob6obo!
EDIT2: qfind -w 6 -s even returns no results; here is the longest partial:

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x = 12, y = 58, rule = B3/S23-a5
5b2o$4bo2bo$bo2bo2bo2bo$2bo6bo$bo2bo2bo2bo$2b3o2b3o$bob6obo$4bo
2bo$4bo2bo$4b4o$4bo2bo2$2bo2b2o2bo$b2obo2bob2o$2bobo2bobo$obo6bo
bo$bob2o2b2obo$3bob2obo$3b6o$2b3o2b3o$3bo4bo$2bobo2bobo$b3ob2ob3o
$bo3b2o3bo$bo8bo$bo2bo2bo2bo$4bo2bo$bo2b4o2bo$bo3b2o3bo$bo8bo$2b
obo2bobo$2bobo2bobo$4b4o2$b3ob2ob3o$3bo4bo$4b4o$4b4o$3bo4bo2$5b2o
$ob2ob2ob2obo$2o8b2o$2b3o2b3o$3b2o2b2o$3b2o2b2o$4b4o$bobo4bobo$4b
o2bo$o4b2o4bo$bo2b4o2bo$2obo4bob2o$bo2bo2bo2bo$2o2bo2bo2b2o$2ob2o
2b2ob2o$4bo2bo$obobo2bobobo$o3bo2bo3bo!
qfind -w 7 -s odd returns no results; here is the longest partial:

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x = 13, y = 96, rule = B3/S23-a5
4b2ob2o$5bobo$2b2obobob2o$bo3bobo3bo$2b2obobob2o$3b3ob3o3$4b5o$
3b7o$2bo7bo$3b2o3b2o$3b2obob2o$5b3o$6bo$6bo$4bo3bo$4b2ob2o$4bo3b
o$5bobo$6bo3$5b3o$6bo$4b2ob2o$5bobo$3bo5bo$4b2ob2o2$2bo2bobo2bo$
2bo2bobo2bo$2bobo3bobo$3b2o3b2o$2b3o3b3o$2b4ob4o$2b9o$b2o7b2o$b11o
$o3b5o3bo$bobo5bobo$3bo5bo$b2o7b2o$bobobobobobo$3b2o3b2o$3b2obob
2o$3b2o3b2o$4b2ob2o$2obo5bob2o$3b2obob2o$3bobobobo$2b2ob3ob2o$3b
7o$2bo2bobo2bo$5bobo$2b2o5b2o$4bo3bo$3b2o3b2o$2b3o3b3o$2b3o3b3o$
4bo3bo$5bobo$bo9bo$4b2ob2o$bobobobobobo$3o2bobo2b3o$2bo2bobo2bo$
2b2obobob2o$2bo2bobo2bo$5bobo$2obobobobob2o$5bobo$5bobo$3bo5bo$3b
o2bo2bo$3b7o$2b9o2$2b2o5b2o$3bo5bo$3b7o$4b5o$2bobo3bobo$2bo3bo3b
o$bobo5bobo$b2o2b3o2b2o$2ob2obob2ob2o$2o2bo3bo2b2o$bobob3obobo$2b
o3bo3bo2$b3o5b3o2$o3b2ob2o3bo2$3b2o3b2o!
EDIT3: c/7!!

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x = 12, y = 12, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o6b2o$bobo4bobo$bob6obo$4b4o$o3b4o3bo$ob2ob2ob2obo$4bo2bo$2b8o
$3o2b2o2b3o$2obob2obob2o$bo8bo$o3bo2bo3bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 23rd, 2025, 10:49 pm
by mmmmmmmmm
R2INT wrote: August 23rd, 2025, 7:30 pm qfind -w 6 -s odd returns no results; here is the longest partial:

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x = 11, y = 50, rule = B3/S23-a5
3b2ob2o$2bobobobo$bo2bobo2bo$o3bobo3bo$b2obobob2o$b2obobob2o$3b
o3bo$4b3o$2bob3obo$2bob3obo$bo3bo3bo$bo2bobo2bo$5bo$3bo3bo2$4bob
o$3bobobo$2b3ob3o$3bo3bo$4b3o$5bo2$5bo$4b3o$3bobobo$3b2ob2o$4bob
o$3bo3bo$2bobobobo$3b5o$2b2obob2o$bobobobobo$bobobobobo$bo2b3o2b
o$4bobo$2b3ob3o$4bobo2$bo2b3o2bo$2ob5ob2o$2o7b2o$bobo3bobo$b2o5b
2o$3bobobo$bobo3bobo$b2obobob2o$b2o5b2o2$4b3o$3o2bo2b3o!
EDIT: Here is an ikpx2 partial:

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x = 12, y = 22, rule = B3/S23-a5
5b2o$4bo2bo$5b2o$bobo4bobo$2o3b2o3b2o$bo2bo2bo2bo$2o3b2o3b2o$4b4o3$4b
4o$5b2o$4bo2bo2$5b2o$2bo6bo$2o3b2o3b2o$2bo2b2o2bo$b2obo2bob2o2$3b6o$b
ob6obo!
EDIT2: qfind -w 6 -s even returns no results; here is the longest partial:

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x = 12, y = 58, rule = B3/S23-a5
5b2o$4bo2bo$bo2bo2bo2bo$2bo6bo$bo2bo2bo2bo$2b3o2b3o$bob6obo$4bo
2bo$4bo2bo$4b4o$4bo2bo2$2bo2b2o2bo$b2obo2bob2o$2bobo2bobo$obo6bo
bo$bob2o2b2obo$3bob2obo$3b6o$2b3o2b3o$3bo4bo$2bobo2bobo$b3ob2ob3o
$bo3b2o3bo$bo8bo$bo2bo2bo2bo$4bo2bo$bo2b4o2bo$bo3b2o3bo$bo8bo$2b
obo2bobo$2bobo2bobo$4b4o2$b3ob2ob3o$3bo4bo$4b4o$4b4o$3bo4bo2$5b2o
$ob2ob2ob2obo$2o8b2o$2b3o2b3o$3b2o2b2o$3b2o2b2o$4b4o$bobo4bobo$4b
o2bo$o4b2o4bo$bo2b4o2bo$2obo4bob2o$bo2bo2bo2bo$2o2bo2bo2b2o$2ob2o
2b2ob2o$4bo2bo$obobo2bobobo$o3bo2bo3bo!
qfind -w 7 -s odd returns no results; here is the longest partial:

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x = 13, y = 96, rule = B3/S23-a5
4b2ob2o$5bobo$2b2obobob2o$bo3bobo3bo$2b2obobob2o$3b3ob3o3$4b5o$
3b7o$2bo7bo$3b2o3b2o$3b2obob2o$5b3o$6bo$6bo$4bo3bo$4b2ob2o$4bo3b
o$5bobo$6bo3$5b3o$6bo$4b2ob2o$5bobo$3bo5bo$4b2ob2o2$2bo2bobo2bo$
2bo2bobo2bo$2bobo3bobo$3b2o3b2o$2b3o3b3o$2b4ob4o$2b9o$b2o7b2o$b11o
$o3b5o3bo$bobo5bobo$3bo5bo$b2o7b2o$bobobobobobo$3b2o3b2o$3b2obob
2o$3b2o3b2o$4b2ob2o$2obo5bob2o$3b2obob2o$3bobobobo$2b2ob3ob2o$3b
7o$2bo2bobo2bo$5bobo$2b2o5b2o$4bo3bo$3b2o3b2o$2b3o3b3o$2b3o3b3o$
4bo3bo$5bobo$bo9bo$4b2ob2o$bobobobobobo$3o2bobo2b3o$2bo2bobo2bo$
2b2obobob2o$2bo2bobo2bo$5bobo$2obobobobob2o$5bobo$5bobo$3bo5bo$3b
o2bo2bo$3b7o$2b9o2$2b2o5b2o$3bo5bo$3b7o$4b5o$2bobo3bobo$2bo3bo3b
o$bobo5bobo$b2o2b3o2b2o$2ob2obob2ob2o$2o2bo3bo2b2o$bobob3obobo$2b
o3bo3bo2$b3o5b3o2$o3b2ob2o3bo2$3b2o3b2o!
EDIT3: c/7!!

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x = 12, y = 12, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o6b2o$bobo4bobo$bob6obo$4b4o$o3b4o3bo$ob2ob2ob2obo$4bo2bo$2b8o
$3o2b2o2b3o$2obob2obob2o$bo8bo$o3bo2bo3bo!
That is known, hibiscus discovered it quite a while back:
hibiscus wrote: June 15th, 2025, 6:29 am The c/7o wasn't as giant as I expected it to be.

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x = 12, y = 11, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o6b2o$2obob2obob2o$3b6o2$bo2bo2bo2bo$bobob2obobo$bo2bo2bo2bo$2bo2b2o
2bo$b2o6b2o$bo2bo2bo2bo$b2ob4ob2o!
But, still good effort, keep up the searches, as I wanted to find another c/7. Can you try searching odd w8 and even w8? Even a tagalong would be cool.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: August 24th, 2025, 2:52 am
by ThePlayzr
I did a 16x16 search for c/3 spaceships, no results. It took over an hour and a half, so I am not going to be able to do a 17x17 search. Later, I will do a search to see if the c/3 I discovered is the thinnest possible that is 9 cells long.
Edit: this p2 is extensible:

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x = 12, y = 38, rule = B3/S23-a5
3b2o2b2o$2bobo2bobo$2bobo2bobo$3b2o2b2o3$3b2o2b2o$obobo2bobobo$3obo2b
ob3o$2bobo2bobo$3b2o2b2o3$3b2o2b2o$obobo2bobobo$3obo2bob3o$2bobo2bobo
$2bobo2bobo$3b2o2b2o3$3b2o2b2o$2bobo2bobo$2bobo2bobo$b2obo2bob2o$2bob
o2bobo$2bobo2bobo$3b2o2b2o3$3b2o2b2o$obobo2bobobo$3obo2bob3o$2bobo2bo
bo$2bobo2bobo$3obo2bob3o$obobo2bobobo$3b2o2b2o!
61x9 done, 64x9 done, 72x9 done, 76x9 done.
Here is one that I made from another partial:

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x = 9, y = 76, rule = B3/S23-a5
5bo$2b4o$bob2o$b2obo$2bo3bo$3bob2o$bo3bo$bobo$o$b3obobo$2b2o3bo$4b2o$
4b2o2bo$3bobo$4bo2bo$4bo$4b2o$3b2o$4bobo$5bo$4bobo$3bo2bo$3b2o$4bobob
o$3bobo2bo$3bo$3b2o$5bo$3bobo$bobobo$bo2b2o$b2obo$2bo2bo$3b6o$3bo2$3b
2o$3b2ob2o$3b2ob2o$3b2o2$3bo$3b6o$2bo2bo$b2obo$bo2b2o$bobobo$3bobo$5b
o$3b2o$3bo$3bobo2bo$4bobobo$3b2o$3bo2bo$4bobo$5bo$4bobo$3b2o$4b2o$4bo
$4bo2bo$3bobo$4b2o2bo$4b2o$2b2o3bo$b3obobo$o$bobo$bo3bo$3bob2o$2bo3bo
$b2obo$bob2o$2b4o$5bo!
Here is one that the search found:

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x = 9, y = 70, rule = B3/S23-a5
5bo$2b4o$bob2o$b2obo$2bo3bo$3bob2o$bo3bo$bobo$o$b3obobo$2b2o3bo$4b2o$
4b2o2bo$3bobo$4bo2bo$4bo$4b2o$3b2o$4bobo$5bo$4bobo$3bo2bo$4b5o$4bo2b2o
$5b3o$5bo2$3b2o$2b3o$2bo$b2ob2o$bo3bobo$2b4o$3b3o3$3b3o$2b4o$bo3bobo$
b2ob2o$2bo$2b3o$3b2o2$5bo$5b3o$4bo2b2o$4b5o$3bo2bo$4bobo$5bo$4bobo$3b
2o$4b2o$4bo$4bo2bo$3bobo$4b2o2bo$4b2o$2b2o3bo$b3obobo$o$bobo$bo3bo$3b
ob2o$2bo3bo$b2obo$bob2o$2b4o$5bo!
Can someone please apgsearch b37s23-a5 and b3s23-a57? I want to see what interesting patterns appear in these variants of travelling Ts.
Lastly, I gave some of the spaceships names, but only the natural ones, of course.
This is the C with flap:

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x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23-a5
2bo$2ob2o$bobo2$o$b5o$b2obo!
This is the bee:

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x = 10, y = 7, rule = B3/S23-a5
3bo$2b2o$5bobo$3o5b2o$5bobo$2b2o$3bo!
I am struggling to think of a name for this:

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x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o$2ob2o$2obo2$3bo$5bo$4bob2o$4bobo2$6bo!
For now, it is 17P2H1V0.
Interestingly, the C with flap is more common that 17P2H1V0 in C2_2, but less common in C1. Probably just a random thing, but still interesting.
The bee is around 1 in 1.55 billion, 17P2H1V0 is around 1 in 1.6 billion, and C with flap is around 1 in 1.95 billion.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 25th, 2025, 1:55 am
by mmmmmmmmm
R2INT, can you get C1 to 8 billion (or even 9 billion) objects? Also, can you get C2_4 to 100 million objects? I want to see another spaceship appear naturally, and also if any new objects appear. You never know, perhaps there is some prime period oscillator with C2_4 symmetry in this rule, just waiting to appear.
Anyone else who would like to help, please do! (but please use v5.x, as the separation is terrible in v1.x). :)

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 25th, 2025, 3:12 am
by ThePlayzr
We do not have any small D2_+2 c/2 spaceships, so I did a search for them, and found that the three 32-cell ones below are tied as the smallest D2_+2 spaceships.

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x = 50, y = 9, rule = B3/S23-a5
bo12bo5bo10bo5bo10bo$3o10b3o2b2ob2o6b2ob2o2b3o8b3o$2obo8bob2o3bo3bo4b
o3bo3b2obo6bob2o$3b2o6b2o8bob2o2b2obo8b2o4b2o$b2obo6bob2o7b3o2b3o7b2o
bo4bob2o$o3b2o4b2o3bo7b6o7bo3b2o2b2o3bo$3bo8bo12b2o12bo6bo$5b6o14b2o14b
4o$7b2o!
Also, I did an 80x9 c/3 search on rlifesrc, and found an extensible spaceship. Below is the spaceship, and 2 extensions.

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x = 93, y = 49, rule = B3/S23-a5
8bo59bo$2b2o2b2obo57bob2o2b2o$bob2o4b2o17bo19bo17b2o4b2obo$b2o2bobob2o
2bo3bo3b2ob3o2bo17bo2b3ob2o3bo3bo2b2obobo2b2o$b3o7b2ob5obob2o2bo2b2o15b
2o2bo2b2obob5ob2o7b3o$2o3b2o2bob3o2bo2bo4bo2b2o2b2o2b2obob2o2b2o2b2o2b
o4bo2bo2b3obo2b2o3b2o$4b2o12bob2obo4b3ob4o2bo2b4ob3o4bob2obo12b2o$9b2o
3bo13b2o2b4o2bo2b4o2b2o13bo3b2o$12bo10b2o5bob2o3bobo3b2obo5b2o10bo12$
8bo67bo$2b2o2b2obo65bob2o2b2o$bob2o4b2o17bo27bo17b2o4b2obo$b2o2bobob2o
2bo3bo3b2ob3o2bo25bo2b3ob2o3bo3bo2b2obobo2b2o$b3o7b2ob5obob2o2bo2b2o23b
2o2bo2b2obob5ob2o7b3o$2o3b2o2bob3o2bo2bo4bo2b2o2b2o2b2obob2ob2obob2o2b
2o2b2o2bo4bo2bo2b3obo2b2o3b2o$4b2o12bob2obo4b3ob4o2bo2bobo2bo2b4ob3o4b
ob2obo12b2o$9b2o3bo13b2o2b4o2bo2bobo2bo2b4o2b2o13bo3b2o$12bo10b2o5bob
2o3bobo5bobo3b2obo5b2o10bo12$8bo75bo$2b2o2b2obo73bob2o2b2o$bob2o4b2o17b
o35bo17b2o4b2obo$b2o2bobob2o2bo3bo3b2ob3o2bo33bo2b3ob2o3bo3bo2b2obobo
2b2o$b3o7b2ob5obob2o2bo2b2o31b2o2bo2b2obob5ob2o7b3o$2o3b2o2bob3o2bo2b
o4bo2b2o2b2o2b2obob2ob2obob2ob2obob2o2b2o2b2o2bo4bo2bo2b3obo2b2o3b2o$
4b2o12bob2obo4b3ob4o2bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo2b4ob3o4bob2obo12b2o$9b2o3bo13b
2o2b4o2bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo2b4o2b2o13bo3b2o$12bo10b2o5bob2o3bobo5bobo5b
obo3b2obo5b2o10bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 25th, 2025, 7:55 am
by hotcrystal0
What’s the lowest known (T or glider) gun period in this rule?

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 25th, 2025, 8:10 am
by ThePlayzr
hotcrystal0 wrote: August 25th, 2025, 7:55 am What’s the lowest known (T or glider) gun period in this rule?
(not including pseudo-period guns)
Currently, p32:

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x = 100, y = 34, rule = B3/S23-a5
2b62o$2b62o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o
62b2o19bo3bo3bo3bo$2o62b2o18bobobob3obobobo$2o62b2o17bo2bobo2bo2bobo2b
o$2o62b2o18b2o2bobobobo2b2o$2o62b2o22bobobobo$2o62b2o18b4obobobob4o$2o
62b2o17bo4bo5bo4bo$2o62b2o18bob2o7b2obo$2o62b2o18b2o2bo5bo2b2o$2o62b2o
18bob2o7b2obo$2o62b2o17bo4bo5bo4bo$2o62b2o18b4obobobob4o$2o62b2o22bob
obobo$2o62b2o18b2o2bobobobo2b2o$2o62b2o17bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo$2o62b2o18b
obobob3obobobo$2o62b2o19bo3bo3bo3bo$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o
62b2o$2o62b2o$2b62o$2b62o!
Followed by p64:

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x = 180, y = 66, rule = B3/S23-a5
2b126o$2b126o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o
126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o
$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b
2o28bo$2o126b2o27b3o$2o126b2o27b3o5bo3bo3bo3bo$2o126b2o34bobobob3obob
obo$2o126b2o33bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo$2o126b2o34b2o2bobobobo2b2o$2o126b2o38b
obobobo$2o126b2o34b4obobobob4o$2o126b2o33bo4bo5bo4bo$2o126b2o34bob2o7b
2obo$2o126b2o34b2o2bo5bo2b2o$2o126b2o34bob2o7b2obo$2o126b2o33bo4bo5bo
4bo$2o126b2o34b4obobobob4o$2o126b2o38bobobobo$2o126b2o34b2o2bobobobo2b
2o$2o126b2o33bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo$2o126b2o34bobobob3obobobo$2o126b2o35b
o3bo3bo3bo$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b
2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b
2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2o126b2o$2b126o
$2b126o!
And then p96:

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x = 129, y = 94, rule = B3/S23-a5
113b14o$113b14o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o
14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$78b2o31b2o14b2o$77b2obo30b2o14b2o$77b2obo30b2o14b2o$111b2o14b
2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$78bo32b2o14b2o$77b
3o31b2o14b2o$77b3o31b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$78bo32b2o14b2o$77b3o31b2o14b2o$77b3o31b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$78bo32b2o14b2o
$77b3o31b2o14b2o$77b3o31b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$2b62o47b2o14b
2o$2b62o47b2o14b2o$2o62b2o45b2o14b2o$2o62b2o12bo32b2o14b2o$2o62b2o11b
3o33b14o$2o62b2o11b3o33b14o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o19bo3bo3bo
3bo$2o62b2o18bobobob3obobobo$2o62b2o12bo4bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo$2o62b2o11b
3o4b2o2bobobobo2b2o$2o62b2o11b3o8bobobobo$2o62b2o18b4obobobob4o$2o62b
2o17bo4bo5bo4bo$2o62b2o18bob2o7b2obo$2o62b2o18b2o2bo5bo2b2o$2o62b2o18b
ob2o7b2obo$2o62b2o17bo4bo5bo4bo$2o62b2o18b4obobobob4o$2o62b2o22bobobo
bo$2o62b2o18b2o2bobobobo2b2o$2o62b2o17bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo$2o62b2o18bob
obob3obobobo$2o62b2o19bo3bo3bo3bo$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b
2o$2o62b2o$2b62o$2b62o!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 25th, 2025, 9:28 am
by PK22
I have an idea to create logarithmic growth, using a mechanism similar to the Caber tosser:

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x = 9, y = 86, rule = B3/S23-a5
3o$2ob2o$2b2ob2o$2b3obo$5bo$2o$3bo$3bo2$2b3o$2bobo$2b3o3$bobobo$2bobo$
ob3obo$2o3b2o$2o3b2o$b2ob2o2$3bo$3bo3$3bo$2b3o$2b3o3$7bo$6b3o$6b3o7$2b
o$b3o$b3o23$3bo$2b3o$2b3o17$bo$3o$3o!
At the south of the pattern, glider guns will create the salvo of Ts, but there will be some additional mechanism which prevents the creation of all of the Ts (perhaps T guns aimed at one of the T-creating gliders). The returning T will be reflected and remove all of the Ts that shoot down the gliders, which causes a salvo of Ts to be fired at the receding c/5o spaceship. Since a T is fired to the east each cycle, the population should grow proportionate to O(log N).

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 25th, 2025, 6:08 pm
by ThePlayzr
PK22 wrote: August 25th, 2025, 9:28 am I have an idea to create logarithmic growth, using a mechanism similar to the Caber tosser:

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x = 9, y = 86, rule = B3/S23-a5
3o$2ob2o$2b2ob2o$2b3obo$5bo$2o$3bo$3bo2$2b3o$2bobo$2b3o3$bobobo$2bobo$
ob3obo$2o3b2o$2o3b2o$b2ob2o2$3bo$3bo3$3bo$2b3o$2b3o3$7bo$6b3o$6b3o7$2b
o$b3o$b3o23$3bo$2b3o$2b3o17$bo$3o$3o!
At the south of the pattern, glider guns will create the salvo of Ts, but there will be some additional mechanism which prevents the creation of all of the Ts (perhaps T guns aimed at one of the T-creating gliders). The returning T will be reflected and remove all of the Ts that shoot down the gliders, which causes a salvo of Ts to be fired at the receding c/5o spaceship. Since a T is fired to the east each cycle, the population should grow proportionate to O(log N).
Interesting. I am going to do some work on that later today.
Also, we will probably only need 1 or 2 blocking guns, because you can make the first collision leave debris that the second one has to destroy.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 26th, 2025, 3:55 am
by mmmmmmmmm
PK22 wrote: August 25th, 2025, 9:28 am I have an idea to create logarithmic growth, using a mechanism similar to the Caber tosser:

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x = 9, y = 86, rule = B3/S23-a5
3o$2ob2o$2b2ob2o$2b3obo$5bo$2o$3bo$3bo2$2b3o$2bobo$2b3o3$bobobo$2bobo$
ob3obo$2o3b2o$2o3b2o$b2ob2o2$3bo$3bo3$3bo$2b3o$2b3o3$7bo$6b3o$6b3o7$2b
o$b3o$b3o23$3bo$2b3o$2b3o17$bo$3o$3o!
At the south of the pattern, glider guns will create the salvo of Ts, but there will be some additional mechanism which prevents the creation of all of the Ts (perhaps T guns aimed at one of the T-creating gliders). The returning T will be reflected and remove all of the Ts that shoot down the gliders, which causes a salvo of Ts to be fired at the receding c/5o spaceship. Since a T is fired to the east each cycle, the population should grow proportionate to O(log N).
Making a sublinear growth pattern from that would be difficult, as the T ends up on the same lane that it started on.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 26th, 2025, 6:04 am
by ThePlayzr
Failed reaction:

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x = 8, y = 12, rule = B3/S23-a5
2o$bo$o6bo$2o3b3o$4bo$4b2o3$2bo$2ob2o$bobo$2bo!
The snake and fishhook react with the angel and survive, but then the angel interacts with them again and destroys them.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 26th, 2025, 7:06 am
by Resu
3 Ts turn a c/5 into a glider:

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x = 11, y = 42, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o$bo2b2o$bo2b2o$4bobo$2bobobo$b2o$2bob2o3$2b3o2$2bobo$bobobo$3bo$2b
obo$bo3bo$obobobo$2obob2o$2o3b2o$2bobo$3bo$3bo$3bo4$4b3o$5bo4$8b3o$9b
o8$3b3o$4bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 26th, 2025, 7:39 am
by ThePlayzr
Resu wrote: August 26th, 2025, 7:06 am 3 Ts turn a c/5 into a glider:

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x = 11, y = 42, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o$bo2b2o$bo2b2o$4bobo$2bobobo$b2o$2bob2o3$2b3o2$2bobo$bobobo$3bo$2b
obo$bo3bo$obobobo$2obob2o$2o3b2o$2bobo$3bo$3bo$3bo4$4b3o$5bo4$8b3o$9b
o8$3b3o$4bo!
There's really no point researching into what you can turn spaceships with no known synthesis into.
B to hat siamese hat:

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x = 12, y = 3, rule = B3/S23-a5
9b3o$2obo4bo2bo$ob2o4bo2bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 26th, 2025, 7:59 am
by hotcrystal0
Here’s a failed P48 T gun:

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x = 100, y = 60, rule = B3/S23-a5
28b20o$28b20o$28b20o$28b20o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b
4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$16b4o4b
4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$
12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$
12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o24bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o20bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o
20b4o4b4o4b4o13bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o12bobo3b5o3bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o
20b4o4b4o4b4o10b3o2bobobobobobobo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o5bo3bo
bobobobobobo2bo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o5b2o2b2o2bo2bo2bo2b2o$4b
4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o13bob3obo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o9b4o
b2ob2ob4o$4o4b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o4b4o4bo4bo5bo4bo$4o4b4o4b4o4b4o20b
4o4b4o4b4o4b4o4b3ob2o5b2ob3o$4o4b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o4b4ob2obo2b2o
7b2o2bob2o$4o4b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o4b4o4b3ob2o5b2ob3o$4b4o4b4o4b4o
4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o8bo4bo5bo4bo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o9b4ob2ob2o
b4o$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o13bob3obo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b
4o9b2o2bo2bo2bo2b2o$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o12bo2bobobobobobo2bo$8b4o
4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o13bobobobobobobobo$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o14bo
3b5o3bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o24bo$12b4o4b4o
4b20o4b4o4b4o24bo$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$16b4o
4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o
$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$24b4o20b
4o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b4o$28b20o$28b20o$28b20o$28b20o!
Is there any way to make it work?
Edit: At least the oscillator can reflect gliders:

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x = 79, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o13b2o$64o12b2o
$64o14bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 26th, 2025, 8:39 am
by ThrashBin
Tied for SKOP 3:

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x = 9, y = 5, rule = B3/S23-a5
3b2o$bobo2b3o2$3o2bobo$4b2o!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5) and its variants

Posted: August 26th, 2025, 6:46 pm
by mmmmmmmmm
hotcrystal0 wrote: August 26th, 2025, 7:59 am Here’s a failed P48 T gun:

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x = 100, y = 60, rule = B3/S23-a5
28b20o$28b20o$28b20o$28b20o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b
4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$16b4o4b
4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$
12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$
12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o24bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o20bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o
20b4o4b4o4b4o13bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o12bobo3b5o3bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o
20b4o4b4o4b4o10b3o2bobobobobobobo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o5bo3bo
bobobobobobo2bo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o5b2o2b2o2bo2bo2bo2b2o$4b
4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o13bob3obo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o9b4o
b2ob2ob4o$4o4b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o4b4o4bo4bo5bo4bo$4o4b4o4b4o4b4o20b
4o4b4o4b4o4b4o4b3ob2o5b2ob3o$4o4b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o4b4ob2obo2b2o
7b2o2bob2o$4o4b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o4b4o4b3ob2o5b2ob3o$4b4o4b4o4b4o
4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o8bo4bo5bo4bo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o9b4ob2ob2o
b4o$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b4o13bob3obo$4b4o4b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o4b
4o9b2o2bo2bo2bo2b2o$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o12bo2bobobobobobo2bo$8b4o
4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o13bobobobobobobobo$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o14bo
3b5o3bo$8b4o4b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o4b4o$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o24bo$12b4o4b4o
4b20o4b4o4b4o24bo$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$12b4o4b4o4b20o4b4o4b4o$16b4o
4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o$16b4o4b4o20b4o4b4o
$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$20b4o4b20o4b4o$24b4o20b
4o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b4o$24b4o20b4o$28b20o$28b20o$28b20o$28b20o!
Is there any way to make it work?
Edit: At least the oscillator can reflect gliders:

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x = 79, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o$64o13b2o$64o12b2o
$64o14bo!
Unfortunately not, but you can make a p96 gun: (a p32 gun with p48 filter)

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x = 129, y = 94, rule = B3/S23-a5
113b14o$113b14o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o
14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$78b2o31b2o14b2o$77b2obo30b2o14b2o$77b2obo30b2o14b2o$111b2o14b
2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$78bo32b2o14b2o$77b
3o31b2o14b2o$77b3o31b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$78bo32b2o14b2o$77b3o31b2o14b2o$77b3o31b2o14b2o$111b
2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$78bo32b2o14b2o
$77b3o31b2o14b2o$77b3o31b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$111b2o14b2o$2b62o47b2o14b
2o$2b62o47b2o14b2o$2o62b2o45b2o14b2o$2o62b2o12bo32b2o14b2o$2o62b2o11b
3o33b14o$2o62b2o11b3o33b14o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o19bo3bo3bo
3bo$2o62b2o18bobobob3obobobo$2o62b2o12bo4bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo$2o62b2o11b
3o4b2o2bobobobo2b2o$2o62b2o11b3o8bobobobo$2o62b2o18b4obobobob4o$2o62b
2o17bo4bo5bo4bo$2o62b2o18bob2o7b2obo$2o62b2o18b2o2bo5bo2b2o$2o62b2o18b
ob2o7b2obo$2o62b2o17bo4bo5bo4bo$2o62b2o18b4obobobob4o$2o62b2o22bobobo
bo$2o62b2o18b2o2bobobobo2b2o$2o62b2o17bo2bobo2bo2bobo2bo$2o62b2o18bob
obob3obobobo$2o62b2o19bo3bo3bo3bo$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b2o$2o62b
2o$2o62b2o$2b62o$2b62o!
ThrashBin wrote: August 26th, 2025, 8:39 am Tied for SKOP 3:

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x = 9, y = 5, rule = B3/S23-a5
3b2o$bobo2b3o2$3o2bobo$4b2o!
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