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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 16th, 2018, 4:17 pm
by AforAmpere
muzik wrote:I'd assume they'd just be links, listed below/to the right of all the periods.
Can you make a test page to demonstrate what you mean?

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 16th, 2018, 4:24 pm
by muzik
AforAmpere wrote:
muzik wrote:I'd assume they'd just be links, listed below/to the right of all the periods.
Can you make a test page to demonstrate what you mean?
You mean how the links would be listed?

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 16th, 2018, 4:28 pm
by AforAmpere
muzik wrote: You mean how the links would be listed?
Yeah, that might be useful, and then we can add in the other slope pages as needed.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 16th, 2018, 4:37 pm
by muzik
For now I've appended a bunch of (currently red) links at the bottom of the main 5s hub.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 16th, 2018, 6:46 pm
by muzik
Dumped all orthogonal and diagonal speeds below period 160 onto their respective pages. I'll dump the rest later on.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 16th, 2018, 8:09 pm
by AforAmpere
muzik wrote:Dumped all orthogonal and diagonal speeds below period 160 onto their respective pages. I'll dump the rest later on.
Nice job, but I just made it a bit easier, by posting most of the up-to-date ships in the format that can be directly pasted into the wiki tables, check the Drive folder. Does anyone want to help transfer those over? It should be fairly quick split up.

EDIT, 10c/13, 5 cells:

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x = 2, y = 5, rule = B2ac3ekry4acjkntz5ciky6ack7e/S1c2aik3nq4-ijknw5ejk6aci
bo$bo$o$bo$bo!
EDIT 2, (5,3)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2ce3-aen4acqrw5ainry6cei78/S12ik3ajqry4ikqtw5-ajq6akn8
bo2$bo$o!
(5,4)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2aci3ary4eijnqwz5jkq6ein8/S1c2ae3jnqr4-acir5aekq6i78
o$bo2$bo!
(6,3)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 3, y = 5, rule = B2-ek3acny4aeqw5-ceij6en8/S02a3ceijr4eikr5acinr6ci7c
o2$2bo2$2bo!
(6,4)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2-ek3acn4aciy5anr6aci7/S1c2ai3acijq4ijrty5ejkr6-n7
o$bo2$bo!
(6,5)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2aci3aq4cnqy5-kq6n7e/S1c2ae3-anqr4cijnry5cjknr6cn7
o$bo2$bo!
(7,1)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2aci3ac4jwyz5cjqr6ckn7c/S1c2aek3ikny4ajny5cinry6ai7c
o$bo2$bo!

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 17th, 2018, 5:20 pm
by muzik
Why, exactly, are only outer-totalistic and iso-non-totalistic rules allowed again?

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 17th, 2018, 5:39 pm
by AforAmpere
muzik wrote:Why, exactly, are only outer-totalistic and iso-non-totalistic rules allowed again?
Consistency, and the easiest for most people to run. I really don't want to add MAP rules, as they only allow one direction of travel in most cases, and the bounds on speed are weird. I also don't think LTL is a good thing to add, though I already had posted a limited database of R2 LTL ships somewhere. If you want to work an an LTL addon, like how Majestas32 is doing the B0 addon, that is fine by me, but I'd like to keep it consistent with what already exists.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 17th, 2018, 5:51 pm
by Majestas32
Oh right yeah that b0 thing

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 17th, 2018, 6:06 pm
by muzik
AforAmpere wrote:
muzik wrote:Why, exactly, are only outer-totalistic and iso-non-totalistic rules allowed again?
Consistency, and the easiest for most people to run. I really don't want to add MAP rules, as they only allow one direction of travel in most cases, and the bounds on speed are weird. I also don't think LTL is a good thing to add, though I already had posted a limited database of R2 LTL ships somewhere. If you want to work an an LTL addon, like how Majestas32 is doing the B0 addon, that is fine by me, but I'd like to keep it consistent with what already exists.
The only addon I'm really eyeballing is ships allowed by the whole "range-extended outer-totalistic rules" thing that Adam mentioned exactly six months ago, however it would be simulated.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 17th, 2018, 9:17 pm
by AforAmpere
(7,2)c/13:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2aci3acn4acnwyz5ejkq6cei7e8/S1c2ae3cjy4aeiqt5-eiry6-k
o$bo2$bo!
(7,3)c/13:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2-ek3cekq4ijnqry5aeknr6eik7c8/S12ek3-aij4ai5cnq6k78
bo$o2$o!
EDIT, (7,4)c/13:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2aci3jn4ijknqwy5-acij6-e7e8/S12ck3-ciq4ein5enr6ac7e8
o$bo2$bo!
(7,5)c/13:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2-ek3a4inqtyz5cijqy6k78/S1c2ain3-acjq4einqrz5-ejkq6ak7c8
o$bo2$bo!
3-cell 9c/13:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2aci3ajn4akr5ikny6n/S01e2ak3aey4ajrtz5-kqy6cn
2bo$o$2bo!
4-cell (7,6)c/13:

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x = 3, y = 4, rule = B2ac3aenqr4aenw5ekry6cek/S1e2ikn3-ckn4acert5acq6ace8
2bo2$2bo$obo!
3-cell 9c/19:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2-ai3-eikq4nqrw5cnqy6a/S02an3aeikq4ajknrt5ikry6k7c
2bo$o$2bo!
3-cell 9c/20:

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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2cek3cekry4acejnrt5eijkq6ain7e/S12-cn3acinq4-aintw5-cej6ac7
bo$o$bo!
3-cell 8c/17:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2-ai3-eijr4aijtwyz5-eij6ae7e/S01e2aik3-aejn4acjntwz5jr6cin7c
2bo$o$2bo!
4-cell 9c/11:

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x = 2, y = 7, rule = B2ack3ak4acin5cir6ack/S01e2ae3k4aijkqwy5-ajkr6ace7c8
bo2$o2$o2$bo!
3-cell (8,1)c/11:

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x = 3, y = 5, rule = B2-ek3ac4ainrz5ijy6-en7c8/S1e2ci3aikr4akqrz5cjnqr6-ae8
o2$2bo2$2bo!
3-cell (8,2)c/11:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2aci3acnr4-jknrw5aejky6-ac7c/S12ai3jkqy4inqy5-ekr6-en7c
o$bo2$bo!

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 18th, 2018, 1:50 pm
by muzik
What script are you using to find these extremely low period oblique ships and stuff, anyway?

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 18th, 2018, 1:51 pm
by AforAmpere
LLS, it is pretty useful for this.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 29th, 2018, 9:16 pm
by AforAmpere
(10,2)c/12, 7 cells:

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x = 3, y = 6, rule = B2acn3kr4aqrwz5ajkny6n7c8/S12ik3ijqy4-anrwy5ckqy6-ik7e
2bo2$2bo2$b2o$3o!
Can anyone find a (10,1)c/12? I can't seem to.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 29th, 2018, 11:38 pm
by ygh
(4,1)c/19, 5 cells

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x = 3, y = 4, rule = B2eik3iry4i/S1e2ace4k5ey
2bo$2bo$2bo$obo!

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: March 30th, 2018, 4:53 pm
by AforAmpere
(8,1)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2-ek3an4-aejt5-eijk/S1c2-ce3jq4-cjwyz5cijqr6-ae7c
bo2$bo$o!
(8,2)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2aci3akry4intw5ikry6en7e8/S1c2n3-cry4-aqrty5cikqy6-kn78
o$bo2$bo!
11c/13, 15 cells:

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x = 4, y = 11, rule = B2aci3ejry4-cjkrz5ceinq6-n7e/S12ei3jnr4-cntwy5cnry6cei7c8
3bo2$b3o$o2bo2$b3o2$o2bo$b3o2$3bo!
EDIT, down to 12:

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x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2aci3jkr4-kqtw5-jk6i8/S02ae3aejr4cyz5ci6cei7e
2bo$obo$bo$2bo2$b2o2$2bo$bo$obo$2bo!
EDIT 2, down to 11:

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x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2-ek3jr4cejkrwz5-aijr6ci7e/S02ae3aekr4cijqr5-eikn6cei7e
2bo$obo$2bo2$2bo$o$2bo2$2bo$obo$2bo!
(10,1)c/12, 8 cells:

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x = 3, y = 6, rule = B2aci3acjkr4ejnqrwz5jkqr6-ci7e/S2ain3ajr4ejknt5cijn6-ci7e
bo$bo$2bo$3o$bo$2bo!
(8,3)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2-ek3cj4-aknrz5-cjn6c78/S12cik3-aiqr4aeknqty5ceikr6cek78
o$bo2$bo!
(8,4)c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 3, y = 4, rule = B2ack3q4acinq5-k6ei7e/S1e2ikn3-ejry4aikqrtz5acjky6ac78
2bo2$2bo$o!
(8,5)c/13, 4 cells:

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B2ac3anr4acy5cejky6akn7c/S1e2ik3-ejy4aeqrw5-ei6ek7c8
3bo2$ob2o!
(9,1)c/13:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2aci3acy4knrtwyz5-ei6-e/S1c2aei3eq4-cjkq5-aekn6i7e
o$bo2$bo!
(9,2)c/13:

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x = 3, y = 5, rule = B2-ek3n4-eknw5nqr6-ac/S1e2ekn3eiky4aejrtwy5ijny6ci8
o2$2bo2$2bo!
(9,3)c/13:

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x = 3, y = 5, rule = B2-ek3-acik4cjqtyz5eijk6aek7e8/S12cen3ajkry4acjkqy5-aekn6eik
o2$2bo2$2bo!
(9,4)c/13, 4 cells:

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x = 3, y = 4, rule = B2ac3ajny4acitwz5eiy6-cn7e/S01e2i3-ainq4ejkqtz5ejkq6eik7c
2bo$2bo$2bo$o!
10c/13, 4 cells:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2ac3-aiqy4-aijwy5cnqy6ace8/S12ek3cknr4ceiqtyz5cjkny6ei78
obo$2bo$2bo!
(10,1)c/13, 4 cells:

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x = 3, y = 4, rule = B2-ek3acjn4ckr5cekry6ack/S2aen3iqr4-ciky5-ijk6ekn8
2bo$2bo2$obo!
(10,2)c/13, 4 cells:

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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2ace3ny4-cjknz5aejy6c78/S1e2cei3nqr4-aekqw5ekqry6ce7
bo$bo$bo$o!
(10,3)c/13, 5 cells:

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x = 2, y = 6, rule = B2ac3aqy4acikqw5-knqy6ckn7c8/S01e2ck3jkr4eijkrw5-aeq6ik7c8
bo2$bo2$2o$bo!
I know nobody looks at this now, so I just store stuff in this post.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: April 19th, 2018, 10:50 pm
by wwei23
wwei23 wrote:The other c/2 with average population 3.5:

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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2c3ae/S1c3e
bo$o$bo!
Wait there’s a third:

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x=2, y=3, rule=B2a3e/S1c2c3e
bo$2o$bo!

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: May 31st, 2018, 5:53 am
by 2718281828
d4 1c/44:

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B2ek3aikq4aci5ak/S02e3aikr
o3bo$2bo2$o!
with 4 cells being a 3 cells spaceship plus a 1 cell still life.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: May 31st, 2018, 7:25 am
by wwei23

Code: Select all

x = 5, y = 2, rule = B2ek3aikq4aci5ak/S02e3aikr
o3bo$2bo!
Nice find, 2147483648.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: May 31st, 2018, 11:54 pm
by wildmyron
2718281828 wrote:d4 1c/44:

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B2ek3aikq4aci5ak/S02e3aikr
o3bo$2bo2$o!
with 4 cells being a 3 cells spaceship plus a 1 cell still life.
This is indeed a nice little spaceship, but it doesn't beat the record which is 3 cells

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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2-ai3c5ck/S02e4ai5e
o3$3bo2$5bo!
The 5S collection hosted on my Google Drive is a little out of date now, but it's still the most comprehensive reference.

Just to give you an idea, it has minimum 3 cell diagonal ships for most speeds 1c/P for 2<=P<=100, the exceptions being c/2 (4 cells), c/83 (4 cells), c/97 (no ship), and c/99 (5 cells).

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: June 28th, 2018, 1:45 pm
by AforAmpere
Bumping an old topic to post these:

13c/13, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2aei3ekqy4eijktwz5ac6kn8/S2c3ceinq4ceijk5cij6ae
o$bo$bo!
14c/14, 3 cells:

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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2-ck3ceqy4eiknwyz5ij6k7e/S2cin3qy4eityz5cenqr6a
o$bo$bo!
(6,3)c/14, 3 cells:

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x = 4, y = 2, rule = B2-ek3cer4ejknqw5-ajry6-c7e/S1c2cik3cjky4intw5-acei6k
o$bobo!

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: December 24th, 2018, 4:31 pm
by LaundryPizza03
Bump agin: I found an old post from August featuring a 10-cell 49c/98 ship:

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x = 7, y = 3, rule = B3aijnr4cejy5cy6ck7/S2aei3-kqy4et5i6cei78
2bo2bo$ob5o$2bo2bo!
EDIT: Corrected orientation per guidelines.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: December 31st, 2018, 2:32 pm
by AforAmpere
The Drive folder has been updated with all of the ships since February, including that 49c/98, which I was surprised to find that there had been no other ships of that speed found.

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: January 8th, 2019, 2:07 pm
by 2718281828
Some diagonal xc/2y ships:

- 11c/26 diagonal, B2ain3a4ikry5-ejqy6a7c/S02ce3ijkr4aijnz5aceij6e7c

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2ain3a4ikry5-ejqy6a7c/S02ce3ijkr4aijnz5aceij6e7c
o2$3o!
4 cells

- 10c/26 diagonal, B2ai3acky4iqry5cnq6e8/S02kn3-enqy4ajkrw5-acij6cek7e

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2ai3acky4iqry5cnq6e8/S02kn3-enqy4ajkrw5-acij6cek7e
o2$3o!
4 cells

- 11c/28 diagonal, B2ain3aen4arz5-ejkn/S02ce3airy4aejr5aeikr6ak7c

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2ain3aen4arz5-ejkn/S02ce3airy4aejr5aeikr6ak7c
obo$2bo$2bo!
4 cells

- 11c/28 diagonal, B2ain3a4qrt5-ejkn6-in7e/S02cek3-acjn4atw5-knqy6ei7c

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2ain3a4qrt5-ejkn6-in7e/S02cek3-acjn4atw5-knqy6ei7c
o2$3o!
4 cells

- 10c/28 diagonal, B2ai3akn4irz5acjky6-cn7c8/S02ce3ainry4-cijr5aeqr6aek7e

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2ai3akn4irz5acjky6-cn7c8/S02ce3ainry4-cijr5aeqr6aek7e
o2$3o!
4 cells

- 9c/28 diagonal, B2-an3aejq4jrwy5ac6a/S013eik4jnry5cinry6ac7c

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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2-an3aejq4jrwy5ac6a/S013eik4jnry5cinry6ac7c
2bo$obo!
3 cells

- 9c/30 diagonal, B2ce3ai4krw5nry6cn/S12aek3inr4jnrz5-ijny6e

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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2ce3ai4krw5nry6cn/S12aek3inr4jnrz5-ijny6e
bo2$2o!
3 cells

- 10c/36 diagonal, B2-an3ekqy4aqrz5cej6aek/S013aeqy4aceqryz5jkq6ak

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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2-an3ekqy4aqrz5cej6aek/S013aeqy4aceqryz5jkq6ak
2bo$obo!
3 cells

- 11c/38 diagonal, B2-an3ekq4aikwy5cjkr6ae7c/S012an3eikq4eny5cjkry6ei

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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2-an3ekq4aikwy5cjkr6ae7c/S012an3eikq4eny5cjkry6ei
2bo$obo!
3 cells

- 11c/42 diagonal, B2-an3acjqy4rwy5-ejry6cei8/S012k3ekny4ejnwz5jknq6ak7e8

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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2-an3acjqy4rwy5-ejry6cei8/S012k3ekny4ejnwz5jknq6ak7e8
2bo$obo!
3 cells (the most fun one)

Edit1:
- 10c/30 diagonal, B2ai3aj4-cntyz5ai6ace7c/S02e3ijkry4ajnr5cjy6a

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2ai3aj4-cntyz5ai6ace7c/S02e3ijkry4ajnr5cjy6a
obo$2bo$2bo!
4 cells

- 11c/30 diagonal, B2ac3ack4an5cijkn6ae7c/S2-e3-einr4ajqr5airy6cik8

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B2ac3ack4an5cijkn6ae7c/S2-e3-einr4ajqr5airy6cik8
2bo2$ob2o!
4 cells

Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 2:06 pm
by jimmyChen2013
10cell 2c/274d

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x = 5, y = 5, rule = B2n34cw5cky6n/S2-i34ce5c6n
2bo$b3o$2o2bo$bobo$2bo!
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