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Periodic glider and LWSS "true Heisenburps"? Or stable pseudo-Heisenburps?Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: September 25th, 2023, 1:57 am What are the smallest glider and LWSS heisenburps as of now?
Stable ones, kinda like the one containing the 2c/3 wiredvgrn wrote: September 25th, 2023, 4:42 amPeriodic glider and LWSS "true Heisenburps"? Or stable pseudo-Heisenburps?Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: September 25th, 2023, 1:57 am What are the smallest glider and LWSS heisenburps as of now?
(since we aren't going to get true Heisenburps for either gliders or LWSSes, due to the lack of usable side sparks, unless there's some really weird trick I'm not remembering for LWSSes)
... Huh, wow, I still have in the "Stable signal converters" listEntity Valkyrie 2 wrote: September 25th, 2023, 5:18 am Stable ones, kinda like the one containing the 2c/3 wire...
And Guam suggested a stable LWSS pseudo-Heisenburp device in the next post, and yet I don't have any links in the list that "LWSS Heisenburp". Looks like a serious opportunity for some modernization -- or else somebody should point out whatever recent construction I've missed collecting, please!dvgrn wrote: April 8th, 2017, 9:49 ampseudo-Heisenburp G-to-X
Recovery time 4359, November 2011. No complete rebuild with post-Snark technology known. (?)
The only LWSS heisenburp I know of is my own one from 2019: User:Entity Valkyrie 2/LWSS Pseudo-heisenburpdvgrn wrote: September 25th, 2023, 5:58 am... Huh, wow, I still have in the "Stable signal converters" listEntity Valkyrie 2 wrote: September 25th, 2023, 5:18 am Stable ones, kinda like the one containing the 2c/3 wire...
And Guam suggested a stable LWSS pseudo-Heisenburp device in the next post, and yet I don't have any links in the list that "LWSS Heisenburp". Looks like a serious opportunity for some modernization -- or else somebody should point out whatever recent construction I've missed collecting, please!dvgrn wrote: April 8th, 2017, 9:49 ampseudo-Heisenburp G-to-X
Recovery time 4359, November 2011. No complete rebuild with post-Snark technology known. (?)
I definitely should have added that one, though. It's in the list now.Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: September 25th, 2023, 6:03 am The only LWSS heisenburp I know of is my own one from 2019: User:Entity Valkyrie 2/LWSS Pseudo-heisenburp
But it neither has a highway-robbing input, nor an edge-shooting output.
The claim in the articleHaycat2009 wrote:Revision as of 00:40, 26 September 2023 by Haycat2009 (talk | contribs) (Created page with "Why is there a eater 5 in Bx222?")
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I had even made a H-to-G0 where one of its gliders was that glider from -that- conduit:confocaloid wrote: September 26th, 2023, 6:12 amThe claim in the articleHaycat2009 wrote:Revision as of 00:40, 26 September 2023 by Haycat2009 (talk | contribs) (Created page with "Why is there a eater 5 in Bx222?")
"... that glider can only be released if the Herschel is suppressed or if staged recovery conduits are used ..."
is not quite correct.
Here is an illustration pattern that shows that that glider in Bx221.999... can be released (preceded by Fx119, followed by L198 = HLx111R RF28B BFx59H):
However, even if snakes are replaced by fishhooks, it still contains a 14-cell still life (and the eater 2).Code: Select all
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Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: September 15th, 2023, 10:38 am Another H-to-G0 (here seen preceded by a F117). The output glider lane is in blue.I fear no man... but that thing Bx222 it scares me.Code: Select all
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Other than because it exists... If enough is known about it to write an article, why not.
confocaloid wrote: July 26th, 2023, 10:32 amC28 wrote: April 6th, 2022, 11:32 am [...] the more recently recognized objects, like the U-turner, Blonk-tie, two-glider octomino, etc. are not as throughtly searched yet, so there may still be some hope for conduit searches.I didn't find an actual list posted anywhere on the forum, although some conduits were apparently known. There is MathAndCode's draft for the Elementary Conduits Collection update, there are RLEs posted in the first post of the same thread, and there are individual conduit discoveries posted in various conduit-related threads. My impression is that not much is known for active objects other than the few common ones (H/B/R/P/G).C28 wrote: July 26th, 2023, 10:07 am where can i find a list of every conduit that either accepts or outputs the Iwona active region?
MathAndCode wrote: June 23rd, 2021, 1:40 pmThat's the region from Iwona. I found some conduits with it a while back. Shall I dig them up?hotdogPi wrote: June 23rd, 2021, 1:34 pmThis active region is about as common as the blonk-tie and the U-turner, but it doesn't even have a provisional name.
i've got a userpage (User:C28/Iwona active region) that could work, but first i'll have to get the infobox to function right.confocaloid wrote: September 26th, 2023, 7:24 am Other than because it exists... If enough is known about it to write an article, why not.
You need to put this p11 hassler as well, from p11 domino sparker:C28 wrote: September 26th, 2023, 7:35 am ...
i've got a userpage (User:C28/Iwona active region) that could work, but first i'll have to get the infobox to function right.
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That's an easy one! It builds fleets of Corderships at the near end of the GPSE trails. The Corderships travel along the ash and gradually erode it away, and then get caught by Corderabsorbers that have been carefully built at the far ends, by glider salvos racing ahead of the Corderships.Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: September 29th, 2023, 8:36 am How exactly does the 15G RCT delete the incredibly large amount of ash that the GPSEs produce?
The current revision of engineered diehard does not start with any direct definition, and instead goes directly to discuss the topic. I think this is fine; some topics are sufficiently self-explanatory and do not need an explicit definition. (One could write something that essentially means "an engineered diehard is a diehard that is engineered / artificial", but in what way it would be helpful in an encyclopedia?)
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bo3bobo3bobo$3b3o3b3o3b3o!A modified version of onion rings. Although, it reminds me of the self-forcing p2 agar patch.TYCF wrote: October 1st, 2023, 5:27 am What is this agar called?Code: Select all
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Then how are the cordership eaters deleted?dvgrn wrote: September 29th, 2023, 9:34 amThat's an easy one! It builds fleets of Corderships at the near end of the GPSE trails. The Corderships travel along the ash and gradually erode it away, and then get caught by Corderabsorbers that have been carefully built at the far ends, by glider salvos racing ahead of the Corderships.Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: September 29th, 2023, 8:36 am How exactly does the 15G RCT delete the incredibly large amount of ash that the GPSEs produce?
Here's a LifeViewer animation showing the construction of the SW-traveling Corderships, and their absorbtion by the SW Corderabsorbers.
Here's a sample pattern showing the construction of the first two Corderships in the SE-traveling Corderfleet, in context with some sample GPSE ash.
And here is the test pattern for the NW Corderfleet, and some extended discussion of the code that generated the slow salvos needed to build the SE Corderfleet (and the others).
Somewhere I'm sure I've got a test pattern that showed all three Corderfleets near the epicentre of the RCT, in context with samples of the ash they cleaned up, but unless someone can provide the link, I won't be able to lay hands on it till I get back to my other laptop next week.
Hmm. I don't know if I'd call it "a modified version of onion rings". An important feature of the onion-rings agars is that they're all infinite plane-covering still lifes, not period-2. I haven't looked very hard to see if this p2 agar has a name; a lot of agars don't. It's not one of the stabilized p2 agars in the oscillator stamp collection, anyway.Haycat2009 wrote: October 1st, 2023, 8:45 amA modified version of onion rings. Although, it reminds me of the self-forcing p2 agar patch.TYCF wrote: October 1st, 2023, 5:27 am What is this agar called?Code: Select all
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Try running the LifeViewer animation that I linked to. They're not "Cordership eaters", they're Corderabsorbers -- very conveniently, they mutually annihilate with the Corderships.
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26bo$2b2o22bo$bobo22bo$bo$3o6$28b2o$27bo2bo$28b2o5$8b2o$8b2o!It is this:C28 wrote: October 3rd, 2023, 5:56 pm the index fossil wiki page mentions a 37-bit still life that forms from "a Herschel, beehive, and block, plus the same unnamed small active pattern." what configuration of the aforementioned objects is the article referring to, since looking at the 3 C1 soups from Catagolue, all of them seem to make the still life via some slight variation of the below pattern?Code: Select all
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Looking at the HL224H/L224 conduit by Kazyan and this "most convoluted r-to-b" by Jormungant, I think there should be "similar" examples somewhere in the space of all elementary conduits, with several hundreds of ticks between the input and the output. I guess people were not searching for such conduits specifically. Those are likely to have high repeat time; unless one is interested in collecting elementary conduits themselves, "practical" uses often require sufficiently low repeat time.Haycat2009 wrote: October 4th, 2023, 9:37 am Are there any elementary conduits without staged recovery that have a step of 300+ generations?
I think one of recent updates/collections was posted here: viewtopic.php?p=164613#p164613Haycat2009 wrote: October 4th, 2023, 9:37 am Also, what is the full list of elementary conduits excluding X-G conduits, and can I have it in an Lifeviewer?