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Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 16th, 2020, 11:04 am
by JP21
Hunting wrote: March 16th, 2020, 11:00 am
JP21 wrote: March 16th, 2020, 10:48 am But really, this rule is dying. I can't do anything anymore. I only posted because of dvgrn.
Warning: If nobody is going to make something interesting like a Demonoid, this rule will be left in the corner of the OCA board, like my previous rules.
That's literally what I warned you about. The only thing needed is not demonoid, but low period/stable reflectors, guns that shoots massive spaceships and special oscillators.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 16th, 2020, 11:13 am
by Hunting
JP21 wrote: March 16th, 2020, 11:04 am
Hunting wrote: March 16th, 2020, 11:00 am
JP21 wrote: March 16th, 2020, 10:48 am But really, this rule is dying. I can't do anything anymore. I only posted because of dvgrn.
Warning: If nobody is going to make something interesting like a Demonoid, this rule will be left in the corner of the OCA board, like my previous rules.
That's literally what I warned you about. The only thing needed is not demonoid, but low period/stable reflectors, guns that shoots massive spaceships and special oscillators.
If we had Demonoid that would be a miracle - not all rules have Demonoids (Snowflakes and Dominoplex have Orthogonoids though). The magical thing is, this rule have no small stable splitter. This rule have nothing really good. But it is still possible to make a Demonoid! That's the point!

I think if we finally completed it (with a lot of efforts) it will probably beat the Day&Night knightship. Or try something a bit easier: Demonoid puffer (Probably easier than the Demonoid itself because no destruction is needed) which would be the first puffer in this rule.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 16th, 2020, 11:29 am
by dvgrn
Hunting wrote: March 16th, 2020, 11:00 amBut what exactly did they do? Why can't we apply them to LeapLife?
You can if you want to. People collectively did a whole lot of work and experimentation in 1971; it's just a matter of picking up the next piece and working on it.

For progress toward a Demonoid, there are several things that could be added to the list in the first post. E.g., a much better and cheaper collection of one-time turners, basically a stamp collection that you keep extending until you have a reasonably cheap (Blockic?) turner with every possible relative timing and color output, mod 8, for 0 degrees and 90 degrees and 180 degrees. That's definitely an easy research project. If there are G-to-knightships in the collection, so much the better, but those might be too expensive to bother making a complete collection.

The first post could also be updated to show that items #4 and the first part of #6 are done. (And maybe switch to a darker color than that lime green, please? It's almost completely unreadable on my monitor -- too much like the background color.) Somebody could easily put together a stamp collection of all the possible knightship+Gs.

... What's the fastest knightship gun, by the way? A single-channel Remini toolkit using an intermittent stream of knightships would really be more useful than one using intermittent gliders, because it wouldn't have the problem that diagonal Demonoids do where you always end up wanting to build stuff right where your construction arm lane is going through.

Is it totally hopeless to invent a p22 or p24 splitter for intermittent streams? I have the feeling that if we can just let's say AbhpzTa's attention for a while again, this will suddenly turn out to be possible -- and then we'll be a _lot_ closer to universal construction.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 16th, 2020, 12:24 pm
by Hunting
dvgrn wrote: March 16th, 2020, 11:29 am You can if you want to.
How? What did they do, exactly?
For progress toward a Demonoid, there are several things that could be added to the list in the first post. E.g., a much better and cheaper collection of one-time turners, basically a stamp collection that you keep extending until you have a reasonably cheap (Blockic?) turner with every possible relative timing and color output, mod 8, for 0 degrees and 90 degrees and 180 degrees. That's definitely an easy research project. If there are G-to-knightships in the collection, so much the better, but those might be too expensive to bother making a complete collection.
That sounds good. What is mod 8, though? At least a few examples? I can't do a search called "systematic" search with no actual content. (Well that sounds pretty sarcastic Rainbow Dash-ish)

I posted this G-to-knightship some while ago:
Hunting wrote: February 11th, 2020, 10:49 am

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x = 12, y = 14, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo$obo$b2o6$10b2o$10b2o3$2b2o$2b2o!
The first post could also be updated to show that items #4 and the first part of #6 are done. (And maybe switch to a darker color than that lime green, please? It's almost completely unreadable on my monitor -- too much like the background color.) Somebody could easily put together a stamp collection of all the possible knightship+Gs.
Darker color: Yep. Item #4 is "natural linear growth", which I still didn't have yet, so nope. Item #6: Yep.
... What's the fastest knightship gun, by the way? A single-channel Remini toolkit using an intermittent stream of knightships would really be more useful than one using intermittent gliders, because it wouldn't have the problem that diagonal Demonoids do where you always end up wanting to build stuff right where your construction arm lane is going through.
Pseudo period p55, true period p66, I think. Repeat time of knightship synth is 51. It's a sad thing that p48 does not work.
Is it totally hopeless to invent a p22 or p24 splitter for intermittent streams? I have the feeling that if we can just let's say AbhpzTa's attention for a while again, this will suddenly turn out to be possible -- and then we'll be a _lot_ closer to universal construction.
I think it is, but I don't have a proof. p22 or p24 does not support any stream-crossing.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 16th, 2020, 4:08 pm
by dvgrn
Hunting wrote: March 16th, 2020, 12:24 pm
dvgrn wrote: March 16th, 2020, 11:29 am You can if you want to.
How? What did they do, exactly?
Well, they made lists of things, and shared them -- pushed different kinds of searches as far as they could be pushed. A big item was running all polyominoes to stability, for some reason: that was how the switch engine was found. But we don't really need to do that. Polyplets, maybe, but not just polyominoes -- that was just some kind of arbitrary 1970s recreational-math bias, due no doubt to Solomon Goulomb's influence.

An example of information well shared would be a complete stamp collection of all the different ways a glider and a knightship can collide. That will end up being a lot more useful than somebody trying all the possible collisions and posting the ones that "look interesting", build a still life, release a glider, etc.

Along similar lines, a stamp collection of a glider colliding with every possible relative position of every common still life would be good, to advance slow-salvo technology. It will come in handy eventually.
Hunting wrote: March 16th, 2020, 12:24 pmThat sounds good. What is mod 8, though? At least a few examples?
Embarrassingly, this kind of one-time-turner collection hasn't _quite_ been done properly for Life yet. The closest we've come is simsim314's various sub-collections. The third post in that link shows one-time turners in Life:

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The problems here are 1) there are a lot of duplicates, and 2) classes 0 through 7 include outputs of both glider colors. There are actually sixteen classes -- [0..7] color-changing and [0..7] color-preserving -- and they really ought to all be separate from each other.

Does that give the general idea? For a LeapLife example, it looks like a boat turner will be in class 0 (mod 8), because it slows down a glider by 8 ticks compared with what happens if it just travels through empty space:

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x = 80, y = 41, rule = B2n3/S23-qHistory
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#C [[ STOP 160 ]]
So there's useful research to be done until at least one relatively inexpensive turner has been discovered for each of the 16 possible classes for 0 degrees, 90 degrees, and 180 degrees.

Glider syntheses
How do I find what the cheapest synthesis is for, say, a fishhook eater, if I wanted a complete synth of integral-with-hook? Is there a stamp collection of syntheses available somewhere? The closest I can find is that there's supposed to be a "synthesis mark" in some collection or other, but I don't see it in the main oscillator collection. (?) Anyway an actual single-pattern stamp collection or ZIP file would be handy. Maybe LeapLife needs more forum threads, like a LeapLife Collections thread where people can post and update all these various stamp collections. Or would pages in the LifeWiki User namespace be better?

Wild Speculation
Stable conduits also haven't been definitely ruled out in LeapLife yet. Blocks and boats are known catalysts, and there are a bunch of others that I forget offhand. So a stamp collection would be handy to have for catalysts, too.
Hunting wrote: February 11th, 2020, 10:49 amI posted this G-to-knightship some while ago...
Hmm, two blocks -- that's pretty cheap. Probably makes it worth creating a stamp collection of knightships crashing into all common objects in all possible ways (for some reasonable definition of "common"). When you start producing recipes for your universal construction arm, and you can collect FIRE recipes for sixteen possible directions instead of the mere eight that B3/S23 supports, that will be mighty impressive.
Hunting wrote: February 11th, 2020, 10:49 am
Is it totally hopeless to invent a p22 or p24 splitter for intermittent streams? I have the feeling that if we can just let's say AbhpzTa's attention for a while again, this will suddenly turn out to be possible -- and then we'll be a _lot_ closer to universal construction.
I think it is, but I don't have a proof. p22 or p24 does not support any stream-crossing.
Yeah. Thing is, p30 in Life doesn't support stream crossings, either, and yet after a lot of work people came up with splitters that worked at p30, and eventually ways to get two intermittent streams to cross (with a lot of logic gates). Reflectors for intermittent p30 streams were easier than they seem to be in LeapLife so far, though, and admittedly the lower the period, the harder it is do this kind of thing.

-- But has anyone tried all possible interactions between two p22 guns plus an extra p22, or two p24 guns plus as many p6 TLs as might be needed? Are there any configurations that make short-lived sparks that a glider could bounce off of? Once a cheap p22 or p24 reflector exists, some more options might open up for sneaky duplications of an intermittent stream, maybe with signal inversion trickery.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 16th, 2020, 8:14 pm
by JP21
Just a quick reminder that I also discovered the lepa to glider just days after hunting discovered it.
JP21 wrote: February 17th, 2020, 7:56 am Ummmmm...

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2bo2bo3bo4b2o2bo$5obo2b3o2b2ob2o3bo2b4o2bobobo3b3obob5o2b2ob3o4bobo4bo
bobobo4bob4obo2b2obobo4bo2bo3b3o2bobobo2bobob4o2bobobo2b3ob6obo3bo2b2o
2bob2obo4b2o4bobobobob3o2b2obo2b3o$2obobobo2b3ob2o3bob2o4b8o3b6o3bo2bo
5b3obo5bo2b2ob4obob5obob2ob2obob2ob2obob2o2b3o2bo2bobo2b2obo2b2ob2o3bo
3bobo3bob2obobo2b4o2b2o2b2o3bob4obob5o2b2obobo2b2o4bo$7o2b3obo3bobobob
ob2o2b2o3b2o3bob2o4bob3o2bob2ob3o3bo4b3o2b2o2bo2b2o5b3ob3obo2bob4o4bob
2ob4ob2obobo2b2obob5obob5o2bob2o2b4o4b2o2bobo2b2obo4b2o2bobob2ob3ob5o$
2o3bobob4ob7o2b4ob2obo4b3obo4bo3b3o3bob2ob3ob5ob2obo2b2obobo2b9o4b5ob
4ob2obob3ob7o2bo4b2o2b2o2bobo3bo2bo3b2obo2b2o3bob2o4bo3b2ob2ob4obobob
2ob2ob2obo$o2bob2o2b4ob2ob3o3bobo2bobobob2o2b2obobob3ob2ob3ob2ob3o4b2o
4b2ob2o3b2o4b2ob3obo4b3ob2ob4o5bobobobo4bob2o2bo2b6o2b2ob5o4bo2bo4bobo
3bo2bo3b2o2b5ob2ob4o2bo$2o2bob2o4bo5b2o4b2o3b3obo5b4obob5o4bobobob4o3b
o3bob2o2bobob2o2b5o2bobo5bo3b2o2bobobob2obobo4bo3b5obo2bo4bo3b2o3b3o5b
2ob2obo2b3o2b3o2b2obobo3b2o2b2o2b4o$3o2b3o4bobobobo2b2o2bo4bo2b2obob2o
5b2obo3b2o2bobo3b2ob2o2bo2b5o3b2o5bo3b2o4bobo2bo2bobo2bobo3b2o2bo2b3o
6b2ob2o3b2obobob2o4bob4ob3o3bo2bob5o9bobobob3o3b2o$bo3b4o3bo2bo2b6ob3o
3b2obob2o7b2ob7ob2o3b2obob2o2bobob2obo2bo6b3o2b2o8b2ob2obob4ob2o2b4o2b
o3b3o2b2o3bo5b4o2b4ob3obobo3b3obobo2bo2b3o3b2o2b2o3bobo2b2o$2o2b4o4b3o
4bob2obob3obo2b2o4bo2b2o2bo6b3obo2bob2o2b5o3bo2b2obobob2o2b2o2b4ob3ob
5ob2o2b2ob2ob2o2bo7bobobo2b3o2b3o3bobo3bobobo3bobobo2b2o2b2o2bo2bo7b2o
2bo2bo$o3b2o2b2o2bo2bob4obo2bobob2ob2o2b10ob3ob4ob2o2b2o4b4o2bob3o3bo
4bo2bo2bob5o2bo2b3o5bo6bo2b4o3bo3b5o9b6o3bob2obo3bo4b2o2b5ob4ob2o4b3o
4bo$ob3o3b4obob3o6b3obo3b2ob2o2b2obob2o5b2ob3o3b4o2b2o2b3obo4b3o2bobo
2bo3bo5bo2bo3bob4o2bobobo2bobo4bo5bo3bobob2o5b4o4b4obo4bo7b3obo2b3o6b
2obo2bobo$2bobobob3obo2b3o4bo7bobobo3b2ob3obo2b4o2bobob2ob3obob8o2bobo
8bo4b2o2bobo3bo2b2o2bo3bo2bobobo3bo2bobo3b2obob6ob3obobob2obob5o2bo2bo
bob3obob2o3b6ob3obob3o$3bob2o5b3o6b3ob5ob2obob3ob2o3b3o2bob2ob4o4bo2bo
2b2o6b2o2bob3o2bo2bo2b2obob2o2bo2bo2bob2o3b2obob3o3bo2bob2obob2obob2ob
2obo2b3obo4b2ob5o2bo3b3o3bo2bob2ob3ob2obob2o$o5b2obob2ob6o3b2o2bo4b3ob
5ob6ob2ob2o7b4o4bobobo7b2o3b5obobo3b2obo3bob2ob2ob2o3bo2bo2b5ob2ob6o3b
o5bob2ob2obobo7b2o2b2o2b3o3bobo2bob4o3bo2b3o$o3bo3bo2b2ob2ob5o2b3o2bob
ob3obob2ob2o9bobo2b3ob2obobo2bob2obobobo5b7obobo2b2ob3o4b2ob3ob2obob2o
2bo3bo4b2ob3o2b6obob5o2b3o7bo2b3o2bo2b2ob3ob4obo4bo2b2o$3bo4bo3b5ob4ob
3o2b2o2b2o2b3o3bobo2bo2b2obo2bo2bobo2bo2b5ob6o3b2o3bo2b4o3bo2b2obobobo
5bob4ob6o2b3ob3obobobob2o2bo2b2ob3o3bo2bo3bo10b3ob2o5b4ob5o$3o3b2o3b2o
3b4obob3obo3bo2bo2bob2ob5obo2bobobob2obo2b3o2bo2b3ob2o3b3ob3o2bo4b3o7b
2o2b2o2bobobo3b8o9bobobo4bo3bob3o2bobob3o2bob3o8bobobobo3b2o2bob3o$o2b
2obo3b2o3b2o3bo2b3o2b3ob2obob2obob4obobob2o2bo2bo2b2o2b2ob5obobo5bob2o
bob3o2bobo5b3o2b2ob2obo2b5obo2b2o4bob8o2bob2obobob4ob3o2bob2obo4bob3ob
o4b3obob9o$obo2bobob3o2bo2bob4o2bob5o2bob3ob3ob2ob2o2b2obo6bo2b2o2b6ob
o3b2obo2b2ob2o4bo4bo3bo4bob5ob2o3bob2ob3obobo2bobo2b3o2b2ob2ob3obo2bo
4bobo5b3obo3b3o4bobobobob2ob3o$2o2bo7bo6bo2b3o2bob4obobobob2o3bobo2bob
2ob2obo3b4ob2obo2bo2bobobob3o6bo2b2ob2o2b2o2b2o2b4o2bo2b6ob2o3bo2bobo
2b2obo2bo2b2obo2bo2b2o3bob5o2b3o5b4o3b2o4b2ob2obo$3obob2obo3bobo2b3o2b
2obo5bobobob2ob3obobobo2bobo2bo2bo7bo2b2o2bobo2b7o3bobo2b2o4bo5bobo8bo
4bob3o2bo6bo5b2o2bob5o3b2o2b3obob3obo4b2o2bob2ob2o2bo3b3obo$ob6ob3o2bo
b2o2b3ob2o2bobobo4b3obobob3obobobobo2bobo3bo2bobo2b3ob3o2b5obo3bo4bob
3ob8o5b2ob4o4bo2bo4b2o2bobob2o2b2o2b2ob2obo2b2obob2o3b2obobo2bo2b3ob2o
6b6o$2b4o2bobo4bo2bo3bobo3bobo2b5obo3bob2o4b4o2bo2bo4b2o3b3o2b3o2b2ob
3obob2o4b3o4b2o3b4obobob4o3b3o2bobobobobob2ob3o5bobo2bob3ob3ob3ob2obo
4b3ob2obob2obo6b2obo$2ob3o3b2o2bo4b5o2b2ob4obo2bo2bo2b2o4bo2bo2b8o3bo
3bob3ob2o5bob3obobo2b4ob2o2b4o4bo2bo2bo3bobo2bob2o2b3ob2ob5ob2o4bo2bob
ob4ob3obob3o2b5ob2ob3o4b2o3b4obo$b2o2b2obo2b2o2b2o2bo4b3obo2b2o5b2o5b
4ob2obo2bo2bo5bobo8bo2b2obobob4o2b2o3b2o2b3obo2bobo2bobo2b6ob4ob4ob3o
2b6o3b2ob2ob2o4bo4bo3b2ob2o4b5ob2o2bo2b5obo$5b2ob2obob2o4b5obob2ob2o2b
2o2bobob2ob2o3bob4obob4o3b2ob2obob2ob3o6b2o2b3o3b4o2bo2b2o2bob3obob2o
2bob4o2bo3bob4o2b4ob2ob2o2b2ob4ob3ob2o2bob3o4bo3bo2b3obo3bo4bo$2o2bobo
bo2bob2ob2o2b2obob4obob2ob3o2bo3b2o2bob2o2b2o2b2obob2o5b3o2bo2bob2o2b
2o3b2o2b4o2b2obob4o4b6ob5o3bo2b2ob3o2b4o2bobo3bo5bobo2b2o3bo2b2o3b2o3b
4ob2obo3b2obob2obo$o2bobo2b3ob2o2b3obo2bobo6b2obo2bo3b2ob2obobo5bo2b2o
3bo4bob5ob2o3b2obob3obo3bobo8b2o2bobob2o3bobo2bob2o2b3o2bo2bobobob3obo
5bob2o2b2obo2b3obobob3o3b2obobob2o3b3obo$obob3o2bob2o2b3o2b2obo2bo2b2o
bo2b2o4b3obobobo2bobo4b2ob2o3bob4o2b2o2bob2obobob3ob3o7bo3b3ob2o2b2obo
bobob2o2b2o5bo2b4ob5ob2obob2obobobo2b2o2b2ob6o2bob2o4bo2bo4bo4bo!

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 16th, 2020, 8:18 pm
by Hunting
JP21 wrote: March 16th, 2020, 8:14 pm Just a quick reminder that I also discovered the lepa to glider just days after hunting discovered it.
JP21 wrote: February 17th, 2020, 7:56 am Ummmmm...

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soup that contains said converter
You may try to find other cheap one time turners. Rules: only use a few common SLs, not too tight.

EDIT: Also, known one-time turners classifying:

Class 3 0-degree

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x = 8, y = 5, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo$obo$b2o$6b2o$6b2o!

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 16th, 2020, 11:31 pm
by Hunting
Lepa+block

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x = 272, y = 9, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o19b2o27b2o18b2o18b2o$2o
18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o19b2o27b2o18b2o18b2o3$9b
3o16b3o16b3o16b3o16b3o16b3o16b3o16b3o16b3o16b3o17b3o25b3o16b3o16b3o2$
8bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo
16bo2bo24bo2bo15bo2bo15bo2bo2$8b2o17b2o17b2o17b2o17b2o17b2o17b2o17b2o
17b2o17b2o18b2o26b2o17b2o17b2o!

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 17th, 2020, 9:52 pm
by Hunting
dvgrn wrote: March 16th, 2020, 4:08 pm cheap p22 or p24 reflector exists, some more options might open up for sneaky duplications of an intermittent stream, maybe with signal inversion trickery.
Naszvadi wrote: February 7th, 2020, 5:24 pm Fastmade 90 degree reflector:

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x = 148, y = 78, rule = B2n3/S23-q
6bo79bo$6bo79bo3$9bo79bo$4b2o78b2o$5b2o78b2o$6b2o78b2o$7b2o78b2o$9bo
79bo$10bo4bo74bo4bo$11bo79bo$11b2o78b2o$12b2o4b2o72b2o4b2o$13b2o78b2o$
14bo22bo56bo22bo$36b3o77b3o$36bob2o76bob2o$34bo2bo76bo2bo$32b3o77b3o$
32bo2bo76bo2bo$8b3o5bo13b2ob2o53b3o5bo13b2ob2o$7bo2bo3bobo13bobo54bo2b
o3bobo13bobo$6bo2bo5b2o12b2obo53bo2bo5b2o12b2obo$7b2o22bo55b2o22bo$5b
2o20b2o56b2o20b2o$4bo16bo4b2obo54bo16bo4b2obo$2bobo17bo4b2o53bobo17bo
4b2o$bobo16b3o5bo52bobo16b3o5bo$o2bo76bo2bo$obo77bobo$2o78b2o8$31b2o
78b2o$31bobo77bobo$31bo79bo6$144b3o$144b2o$143bobobo$147bo$141b2o2bo$
140bo3bobo$140b3o$138b4o$137bob2o$127b3o7bobo$127bo7bo$128bo4b2o3bo$
133b3obo$133bo4bo$135b2o2$131bo$130b3o$129bo$129bo4bo$130b2o3bo$131bo
3bo$132bo4bo$134b2o$136bob2o$136bo3bo2$137bo4bo$138b2o2b2o$139bo2bo$
140b2o!

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 17th, 2020, 10:53 pm
by dvgrn
Hunting wrote: March 17th, 2020, 9:52 pm
dvgrn wrote: March 16th, 2020, 4:08 pm cheap p22 or p24 reflector exists, some more options might open up for sneaky duplications of an intermittent stream, maybe with signal inversion trickery.
Naszvadi wrote: February 7th, 2020, 5:24 pm Fastmade 90 degree reflector...
Oh, right, thanks -- I very vaguely remember seeing that before.

Not surprisingly, something equivalent can be made to work at p24. So if it turns out we need just a few more ticks to extract two output signals from one input signal somehow, then this would be a good reflector:

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x = 95, y = 91, rule = B2n3/S23-q
18b3o$17bo3bo7bo$b3o13bo2bo8bo$bo2bo13b2obob2o3bo$4bo17bo2bo$o2bobo15b
o3bo6bo$2o10bo9b3o7bo$bo5bo5b2o$7b2o3b2o$3bobo2bo25b2o$4bo28bo2bo$4bo
2bo25b2ob2o$5b3o10bo13b3obo$19b2o10b5o$18b2o10bob3o$29b2ob2o$30bo2bo$
31b2o3$34bo$34bo19$45bo$44b2o$44bobo4$51bo$50b2o$50bobo4$57bo$56b2o$
56bobo16$75bo$74b2o$74bobo4$81bo$80b2o$80bobo10$93bo$92b2o$92bobo!
Anyone care to check the p22 or p24 intermittent-stream search tree? If those don't seem to have a branching factor above 1, or they happen to die out early, then maybe it's not worth looking too hard for a splitter at those periods.

180-degree turns are even simpler, since an inverter is basically just a gun, as usual -- only two p24s per 90-degree turn:

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x = 214, y = 107, rule = B2n3/S23-q
137b3o$136bo3bo7bo$120b3o13bo2bo8bo$120bo2bo13b2obob2o3bo$123bo17bo2bo
$119bo2bobo15bo3bo6bo$119b2o10bo9b3o7bo$120bo5bo5b2o$126b2o3b2o$122bob
o2bo25b2o$123bo28bo2bo$123bo2bo25b2ob2o$124b3o10bo13b3obo$138b2o10b5o$
137b2o10bob3o$148b2ob2o$149bo2bo$150b2o3$153bo$153bo19$164bo$163b2o$
163bobo4$170bo$169b2o$169bobo4$176bo$175b2o$175bobo9$33b3o$35bo$34bo$
48bo$47b2o$47bobo$27b3o$29bo164bo$28bo164b2o$54bo138bobo$53b2o$53bobo$
21b3o$23bo176bo$10bo11bo176b2o$9b3o48bo138bobo$8bo3bo46b2o$2o5b4obo46b
obo$5b7o4b3o6b2o$4bob4o5bo4bo4bo$4bo3bo7bo5b2ob4o$5b3o9bobo7bobo36bo$
6bo58b2o$21bobo7b2o32bobo$22b4ob2o3bo$25bo4bobo179bo$24b2o185b2o$64bo
7bo11b2o125bobo$64b2o5b2o10bo3bo$63bobo5bobo12b2o$66bo14bo5bo2$68bo10b
o5bo$67b2o10b2o$64bo5bo8bo3bo$62bobo3bobo10b2o$62bo5bo$64b2o$64bo2$66b
o$67bobo$67b2o$68bo!
How about an inline inverter, though? Invert a p24 stream without changing the direction? The easy trick that works at p44 (interrupting a 2-opposite-G -> 90-degree-G collision) doesn't seem to work at p24.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 17th, 2020, 10:57 pm
by Hunting
dvgrn wrote: March 17th, 2020, 10:53 pm
Hunting wrote: March 17th, 2020, 9:52 pm
dvgrn wrote: March 16th, 2020, 4:08 pm cheap p22 or p24 reflector exists, some more options might open up for sneaky duplications of an intermittent stream, maybe with signal inversion trickery.
Naszvadi wrote: February 7th, 2020, 5:24 pm Fastmade 90 degree reflector...
Oh, right, thanks -- I very vaguely remember seeing that before.

Not surprisingly, something equivalent can be made to work at p24. So if it turns out we need just a few more ticks to extract two output signals from one input signal somehow, then this would be a good reflector:

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x = 95, y = 91, rule = B2n3/S23-q
18b3o$17bo3bo7bo$b3o13bo2bo8bo$bo2bo13b2obob2o3bo$4bo17bo2bo$o2bobo15b
o3bo6bo$2o10bo9b3o7bo$bo5bo5b2o$7b2o3b2o$3bobo2bo25b2o$4bo28bo2bo$4bo
2bo25b2ob2o$5b3o10bo13b3obo$19b2o10b5o$18b2o10bob3o$29b2ob2o$30bo2bo$
31b2o3$34bo$34bo19$45bo$44b2o$44bobo4$51bo$50b2o$50bobo4$57bo$56b2o$
56bobo16$75bo$74b2o$74bobo4$81bo$80b2o$80bobo10$93bo$92b2o$92bobo!
Anyone care to check the p22 or p24 intermittent-stream search tree? If those don't seem to have a branching factor above 1, or they happen to die out early, then maybe it's not worth looking too hard for a splitter at those periods.
Apparently yes.

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x = 56, y = 57, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2o$2o9$10bo$9b2o$9bobo4$15b2o$14b2o$16bo3$21bo$20b2o$20bobo4$26b2o$25b
2o$27bo3$32bo$31b2o$31bobo4$37b2o$36b2o$38bo3$43bo$42b2o$42bobo4$48b2o
$47b2o$49bo3$54bo$53b2o$53bobo!
This block position is not the only useful position.

The second can come 22 or 44 ticks after the first:

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x = 126, y = 57, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2o68b2o$2o68b2o9$10bo69bo$9b2o68b2o$9bobo67bobo4$15b2o68b2o$14b2o68bo$
16bo69bo3$21bo69bo$20bo69b2o$20bobo67bobo4$26b2o68b2o$25bo69bo$27bo69b
o3$32bo69bo$31bo69bo$31bobo67bobo4$37b2o68b2o$36bo69bo$38bo69bo3$43bo
69bo$42bo69bo$42bobo67bobo4$48b2o68b2o$47bo69bo$49bo69bo3$54bo69bo$53b
o69bo$53bobo67bobo!
The third glider have seven options:

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x = 476, y = 57, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o$2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o9$10b
o69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo$9b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o$9bobo67bo
bo67bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo4$15b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o$
14b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68bo69bo$16bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo3$21bo
69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo$20b2o68bo69bo69bo69bo69b2o68b2o$20bobo67bobo
67bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo4$26b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o$
25bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69b2o68bo$27bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo3$32bo69bo
69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo$31bo69b2o68bo69bo69bo69bo69b2o$31bobo67bobo67bobo
67bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo4$37b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o$36bo69b
2o68b2o68bo69bo69bo69bo$38bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo3$43bo69bo69bo69bo
69bo69bo69bo$42bo69bo69bo69b2o68bo69bo69bo$42bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo67b
obo67bobo67bobo4$48b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o68b2o$47bo69bo69bo69bo
69b2o68bo69bo$49bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo3$54bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo
69bo$53bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo69bo$53bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo67bobo
67bobo!
BTW Surprisingly two-sided boat-on-table synth:

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x = 57, y = 56, rule = B2n3/S23-q
obo$b2o$bo3$54bobo$54b2o$55bo6$53bo$53bobo$53b2o9$bo$2b2o$b2o47bo$48b
2o$49b2o18$22bo17bo$23b2o13b2o$22b2o15b2o5$28bobo3bo$29b2o2bo$29bo3b3o
!
Note that boat-on-table does not have a synthesis before.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 17th, 2020, 11:34 pm
by dvgrn
dvgrn wrote: March 17th, 2020, 10:53 pmHow about an inline inverter, though? Invert a p24 stream without changing the direction? The easy trick that works at p44 (interrupting a 2-opposite-G -> 90-degree-G collision) doesn't seem to work at p24.
I was wrong about that. It only takes some minor adjustments, and inline inverters work fine at p24. Not sure about p22, though -- some p22er should look for a solution, because otherwise cheap inline inverters are a nice point in favor of the p24 camp.

(But really only if a constructible p24 signal splitter can eventually be found, I guess.)

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x = 222, y = 212, rule = B2n3/S23-qHistory
47.2B$46.4B$46.5B$42.B.7B$40.8BA3B12.2B$39.8B3AB12.4B$38.8BA3BAB11.2B
A2B$38.2A5B4ABAB7.B.3B3AB$39.4B7A2B5.6BA2BA2B$41.BAB4A5B.B.6B4A2B$41.
BA3BA16BA2B2AB$42.B3A8BA6BA3B3AB$41.3BA8BA5B2A5B2A3B$42.7B.B.B3A2.B3A
3BA6B$42.5B4.4B3.B2A2BA8B$43.4B3.4B5.2B4A6B$44.2B3.4B5.2BA2BA6B$48.A
3B7.B3A3B.B$47.A3B8.2BA2B$46.B3A10.4B$21.B23.4B12.2B$21.2B21.4B$21.3B
19.4B$21.4B17.A3B$22.4B15.A3B$23.4B13.B3A$24.4B11.4B$25.4B9.4B$26.4B
7.4B$27.4B5.A3B$28.4B3.A3B$29.4B.B3A$30.8B$31.9B$32.8BA$34.5B2AB$35.
4BABAB$34.4B2.4B$33.2A2B4.4B$32.2B2A6.4B$31.2BAB8.3BA$30.4B10.B2AB$
29.4B12.ABAB$28.4B14.4B$6.2B19.2A2B16.4B$5.4B17.2B2A18.4B$4.5B16.2BAB
20.3BA$4.7B.B11.4B22.B2AB$3.2B3A7B8.4B24.ABAB$4.2BA9B6.4B26.4B$3.BA4B
A7B4.2A2B28.4B$3.BA12B3.2B2A30.4B$.4BA5BA4B3.2BAB32.3BA$12BAB4.4B34.B
2AB$7BA4BAB3.4B36.ABAB$.9BA2B3.4B38.4B$2.7B3A2B.2A2B40.4B$4.B.7B.2B2A
42.4B$9.6BAB44.3BA$10.6B46.B2AB$9.6B48.ABAB$10.4B50.4B$9.4B52.4B$8.B
3AB53.4B$8.BA5B.B50.3BA$7.2BA3BA5B49.B2AB$8.ABA2BA6B49.ABAB$7.BA3BA8B
49.4B$7.A2BA4BA5B50.4B$5.3BA7BA3B52.4B$4.5BA4BA2BA55.3BA$4.8BA3BAB56.
B2AB45.2B$5.6BA2BABA58.ABAB43.4B$6.5BA3BA2B58.4B42.5B$8.B.5BAB60.4B
37.B.7B$12.B3AB61.4B34.8BA3B12.2B$12.4B63.3BA32.8B3AB12.4B$13.2B65.B
2AB30.8BA3BAB11.2BA2B$81.ABAB29.2A5B4ABAB7.B.3B3AB$82.4B29.4B7A2B5.6B
A2BA2B$83.4B30.BAB4A5B.B.6B4A2B$84.4B29.BA3BA16BA2B2AB$85.3BA29.B3A8B
A6BA3B3AB$86.B2AB27.3BA8BA5B2A5B2A3B$87.ABAB27.7B.B.B3A2.B3A3BA6B$88.
4B26.5B4.4B3.B2A2BA8B$89.4B26.4B3.4B5.2B4A6B$90.4B26.2B3.4B5.2BA2BA6B
$91.3BA29.A3B7.B3A3B.B$92.B2AB27.A3B8.2BA2B$93.ABAB25.B3A10.4B$94.4B
23.4B12.2B$95.4B21.4B$96.4B19.4B$97.3BA17.A3B$98.B2AB15.A3B$99.ABAB
13.B3A$100.4B11.4B$101.4B9.4B$102.4B7.4B$103.3BA5.A3B$104.B2AB3.A3B$
105.ABAB.B3A$106.8B$107.9B$108.9B$110.8B$111.8B$110.4B2.B$109.2A2B$
108.2B2A$107.2BAB$106.4B$105.4B$104.4B$82.2B19.2A2B$81.4B17.2B2A$80.
5B16.2BAB$80.7B.B11.4B$79.2B3A7B8.4B$80.2BA9B6.4B$79.BA4BA7B4.2A2B$
79.BA12B3.2B2A$77.4BA5BA4B3.2BAB$76.12BAB4.4B$76.7BA4BAB3.4B$77.9BA2B
3.4B$78.7B3A2B.2A2B$80.B.7B.2B2A$85.6BAB$86.6B$85.6B$86.4B$85.4B$84.B
3AB$84.BA5B.B$83.2BA3BA5B$84.ABA2BA6B$83.BA3BA8B$83.A2BA4BA5B$81.3BA
7BA3B$80.5BA4BA2BA$80.8BA3BAB$81.6BA2BABA$82.5BA3BA2B$84.B.5BAB$88.B
3AB$88.4B$89.2B5$164.A$163.2AB$163.ABAB$164.4B$165.4B$166.4B$167.3BA$
168.B2AB$169.ABAB$170.4B$171.4B$172.4B$173.4B$174.4B$175.4B$176.4B$
177.4B$178.4B$179.3BA$180.B2AB$181.ABAB$182.4B$183.4B$184.4B$185.3BA$
186.B2AB$187.ABAB$188.4B$189.4B$190.4B$191.3BA$192.B2AB$193.ABAB$194.
4B$195.4B$196.4B$197.4B$198.4B$199.4B$200.4B$201.4B$202.4B$203.4B$
204.4B$205.4B$206.4B$207.4B$208.4B$209.3BA$210.B2AB$211.ABAB$212.4B$
213.4B$214.4B$215.4B$216.4B$217.4B$218.4B$219.B!

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 2:15 am
by JP21
Soooooooo annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone give me a link to B2n3/S23-qHistory????
I can't even get the code to work in Golly...

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 5:41 am
by dvgrn
JP21 wrote: March 18th, 2020, 2:15 am Soooooooo annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone give me a link to B2n3/S23-qHistory????
I can't even get the code to work in Golly...
That's a lot of exclamation points. You must be very^13 annoyed. Sorry. Here's the two-state version:

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x = 210, y = 200, rule = B2n3/S23-q
44bo$43b3o$42bo3bo14bo$34b2o5b4obo13b3o$39b7o13bo2bo$38bob4o14b4o$38bo
3bo16bo2b2o$39b3o8bo6bo3b3o$40bo8bo5b2o5b2o$49b3o3b3o3bo$55b2o2bo$57b
4o$56bo2bo$44bo11b3o$43bo13bo$43b3o4$38bo$37bo$37b3o4$32bo$31bo$31b3o
3$36bo$35b2o$35bobo2$29b2o$30b2o$29bo12bo$41b2o$41bobo2$23b2o$24b2o$
23bo24bo$47b2o$b3o43bobo$2bo$o4bo11b2o$o17b2o$bo5bo9bo36bo$8bo44b2o$3b
o4bo44bobo$6bo$5b3o3b2o$12b2o$11bo48bo$59b2o$59bobo3$5b3o$5bo60bo$5bo
3bo55b2o$4bobo2bo55bobo$4bo3bo$3bo2bo4bo$4bo7bo$5bo4bo2bo58bo$8bo3bo
58b2o$7bo2bobo58bobo$7bo3bo$11bo$9b3o108bo$78bo40b3o$77b2o39bo3bo14bo$
77bobo30b2o5b4obo13b3o$115b7o13bo2bo$114bob4o14b4o$114bo3bo16bo2b2o$
84bo30b3o8bo6bo3b3o$83b2o31bo8bo5b2o5b2o$83bobo39b3o3b3o3bo$131b2o2bo$
133b4o$132bo2bo$90bo29bo11b3o$89b2o28bo13bo$89bobo27b3o4$96bo17bo$95b
2o16bo$95bobo15b3o4$102bo5bo$101b2o4bo$101bobo3b3o7$105b2o$106b2o$105b
o4$99b2o$100b2o$99bo2$77b3o$78bo$76bo4bo11b2o$76bo17b2o$77bo5bo9bo$84b
o$79bo4bo$82bo$81b3o3b2o$88b2o$87bo5$81b3o$81bo$81bo3bo$80bobo2bo$80bo
3bo$79bo2bo4bo$80bo7bo$81bo4bo2bo$84bo3bo$83bo2bobo$83bo3bo$87bo$85b3o
7$160bo$159b2o$159bobo4$166bo$165b2o$165bobo10$178bo$177b2o$177bobo4$
184bo$183b2o$183bobo4$190bo$189b2o$189bobo16$208bo$207b2o$207bobo!
To find the B2n3/S23-qHistory rule, search for "B2n3/S23-qHistory" using the "Search this topic" box.

In an emergency, if you need to get a pattern-with-history working in Golly there are lots of ways to do that. Like,

Ctrl+C to copy pattern to clipboard from the forums
Alt+H in Golly to switch universe to LifeHistory
Ctrl+V to paste the pattern
Alt+J to switch the pattern to two-state
Ctrl+A to select the remaining pattern
Ctrl+C to copy the two-state pattern
Open a LeapLife pattern or switch to a LeapLife layer
Ctrl+V to paste the two-state pattern.

This will work as long as you have Preferences > Edit > Never change rule set in Golly. Or open a text editor and search and replace all the "B"s with "."s, except in the header line. Or if you really hated History patterns in general, you could write a little utility to get rid of "History" for any rule:

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# dehistorifizer.py
import golly as g

patstr = g.getclipstr()
patheaderind = patstr.find("\n")
patheader = patstr[:patheaderind]
patRLE = patstr[patheaderind:]
newpatRLE = patRLE.replace("B",".").replace("D",".").replace("F",".")
pat = g.parse(newpatRLE)
g.setclipstr(patheader.replace("History","") + newpatRLE)

# leave this last part out or add a g.addlayer() if you don't want to throw away current pattern
# -- you can just put a History pattern in the clipboard, run the script, then paste it yourself
g.new("DeHistorifized pattern")
g.setrule(g.getrule().replace("History",""))
g.paste(0,0,"or")
g.fit()

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 6:05 am
by Hunting
dvgrn wrote: March 18th, 2020, 5:41 am
JP21 wrote: March 18th, 2020, 2:15 am Soooooooo annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone give me a link to B2n3/S23-qHistory????
I can't even get the code to work in Golly...
That's a lot of exclamation points. You must be very^13 annoyed.
What is it called in the "extreme-ridiculously" system, by the way?
dvgrn wrote: March 16th, 2020, 4:08 pm Glider syntheses
How do I find what the cheapest synthesis is for, say, a fishhook eater, if I wanted a complete synth of integral-with-hook? Is there a stamp collection of syntheses available somewhere? The closest I can find is that there's supposed to be a "synthesis mark" in some collection or other, but I don't see it in the main oscillator collection. (?) Anyway an actual single-pattern stamp collection or ZIP file would be handy. Maybe LeapLife needs more forum threads, like a LeapLife Collections thread where people can post and update all these various stamp collections. Or would pages in the LifeWiki User namespace be better?
Just realized I forgot to reply to this.

The synthesis mark is part of the old jpleap (like jslife, except jp instead of js made it) along with many other marks (natural/artifical, works in Life/alien, etc.) But it was deleted since I think it is useless and JP21 does not know how to use.

Yes, LeapLife needs more forum threads - but I'm afraid no one would reply to it! (I already opened one, though, which is the LeapLife Naming Proposals in the Sandbox)
dvgrn wrote: March 16th, 2020, 4:08 pm Wild Speculation
Stable conduits also haven't been definitely ruled out in LeapLife yet. Blocks and boats are known catalysts, and there are a bunch of others that I forget offhand. So a stamp collection would be handy to have for catalysts, too.
I already tried to find stable conduits some while ago - but there are no common methuselahs as far as I know. Obviously common failed puffer/spaceship would be the best (Like B/Pi in CGoL) but LeapLife does not have them. The bookend/<s>fluttershy</s>butterfly was a candidate and it is a failed oscillator I did made a bookend-to-2G (which has probably no way to insert the bookend) but I found no way to convert a glider into a bookend.

And as we all know, AbhpzTa made it into an actual oscillator by adding catalysts

Eater 1 was also a known catalyst - see one of the oscillators in the main osc collection. But it can't catalyst most things. Other catalysts see A-for-Awesome's oscillator-inspired catalyst and AbhpzTa's bookend hassler.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 7:42 am
by dvgrn
Hunting wrote: March 18th, 2020, 6:05 amWhat is [very^13] called in the "extreme-ridiculously" system, by the way?
Don't remember. I've been trying to kill off that system for years, though. Maybe I'm finally succeeding. It's very weird how hard it is to find the message where they're all posted. I tried "incredibly long", "stupendously long", "ridiculously long", and a bunch of others and came up blank, both in Google and in the forum search. But the list up to ^9 is still on the LifeWiki, and I think the idea was to start working down the two alphabetical lists after that.
Hunting wrote: March 18th, 2020, 6:05 amThe synthesis mark is part of the old jpleap (like jslife, except jp instead of js made it) along with many other marks (natural/artifical, works in Life/alien, etc.) But it was deleted since I think it is useless and JP21 does not know how to use.

Yes, LeapLife needs more forum threads - but I'm afraid no one would reply to it! (I already opened one, though, which is the LeapLife Naming Proposals in the Sandbox)
Okay, maybe link to that from the first post in this thread, and then maybe also add links to a few more similar threads like "LeapLife Glider Syntheses"? (Which would have a stamp collection/ZIP file in _its_ first post, I guess, and whoever created the thread would be the maintainer. Which is why I'm not creating the thread...)
Hunting wrote: March 18th, 2020, 6:05 amThe bookend/<s>fluttershy</s>butterfly was a candidate and it is a failed oscillator I did made a bookend-to-2G (which has probably no way to insert the bookend) but I found no way to convert a glider into a bookend.

And as we all know, AbhpzTa made it into an actual oscillator by adding catalysts

Eater 1 was also a known catalyst - see one of the oscillators in the main osc collection. But it can't catalyst most things. Other catalysts see A-for-Awesome's oscillator-inspired catalyst and AbhpzTa's bookend hassler.
Thanks for the list. I guess it doesn't seem absolutely impossible that there's a way to catalyze something like, say, the loaf-siamese-block

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x = 9, y = 12, rule = B2n3/S23-qHistory
6.A.A$6.2A$7.A7$3A$2.A$.A!
-- to make new loaf-siamese-blocks in other places, plus maybe an output glider sometimes. But that's going to be a really tough search, and maybe the odds are pretty lousy that anything will show up anyway.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 8:57 am
by Hunting
dvgrn wrote: March 18th, 2020, 7:42 am I've been trying to kill off that system for years, though.
Why? It's funny. (I know they are hard to remember)
dvgrn wrote: March 18th, 2020, 7:42 am Okay, maybe link to that from the first post in this thread, and then maybe also add links to a few more similar threads like "LeapLife Glider Syntheses"? (Which would have a stamp collection/ZIP file in _its_ first post, I guess, and whoever created the thread would be the maintainer. Which is why I'm not creating the thread...)
Yep.
dvgrn wrote: March 18th, 2020, 7:42 am

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x = 9, y = 12, rule = B2n3/S23-qHistory
6.A.A$6.2A$7.A7$3A$2.A$.A!
-- to make new loaf-siamese-blocks in other places, plus maybe an output glider sometimes. But that's going to be a really tough search, and maybe the odds are pretty lousy that anything will show up anyway.
Never thought of that as a "loaf-siamese-block" - I always think of it as a derivative of 3o$3o$obo, or the "mutant Pi" (in CGoL they behaves the same but in LeapLife because of the minus q it kills the original pi before it could form a house while mutant Pi does not they does not behaves the same in LeapLife)
I wish we have Bellman replacements - maybe LLS?

Will do a manual block catalyst search later on that. I like manual searching! (Meanwhile I enjoy writing Golly scripts too)

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 9:39 am
by Naszvadi
A for awesome wrote: March 10th, 2020, 4:51 pm Double-posting to report this 19-cell c/4 diagonal:

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many cool wide c/4d rles
Narrower one:

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x = 7, y = 17, rule = B2n3/S23-q
3b3o$5bo$4bo$2bo$bo$obo$b2obo$2b2o$6bo$5b2o$4bo$2bobo$4bo$5bo$2b4o$ob
2o2bo$5b2o!
Found using ntzfind and extensive ad-hoc "noisefiltering" = glider flotilla removals.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 10:07 am
by Hunting
Searching for catalyst. Too lazy to complete it.

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x = 183, y = 8, rule = B2n3/S23-q
3b2o29b2o18b2o24b2o18b2o18b2o28b2o5b2o21b2o$3b2o29b2o18b2o4b2o18b2o18b
2o18b2o28b2o5b2o21b2o$2bo2bo23b2o2bo2bo16bo2bo3b2o17bo2bo16bo2bob2o13b
o2bo26bo2bo17b2o7bo2bo$2bobo24b2o2bobo17bobo23bobo17bobo2b2o13bobo27bo
bo18b2o7bobo$3bo30bo19bo25bo19bo19bo29bo29bo$123b2o$2o80b2o39b2o$2o80b
2o!

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 10:26 am
by JP21
Forgotten to post... this things:

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x = 110, y = 275, rule = B2n3/S23-q
50b3o$49bo3bo7bo$33b3o13bo2bo8bo$33bo2bo13b2obob2o3bo$36bo17bo2bo$32bo
2bobo15bo3bo6bo$32b2o10bo9b3o7bo$33bo5bo5b2o$39b2o3b2o$35bobo2bo25b2o$
36bo28bo2bo$36bo2bo25b2ob2o$37b3o10bo13b3obo$51b2o10b5o$50b2o10bob3o$
61b2ob2o$62bo2bo$63b2o3$66bo$66bo$59bo$58b2o$58bobo6$41bobo$41b2o59bo$
42bo58bob2o$100bo4b3o$71bo30bobo2bo$70b2o25b2o8bo$35bobo32bobo26bo3bo$
12bo22b2o58bo8b2o$11b3o22bo58bo2bobo$12b3o80b3o4bo$11bo65bo20b2obo$10b
2o4bo59b2o22bo$76bobo$12bo4b2o$17bo83bo$14b3o82b2o$15b3o82b2o$16bo$23b
obo$23b2o81b2o$5b2o17bo70bo9bo3bo$4bo3bo84b2o13b2o$7b2o85b2o7bo5bo$2bo
5bo$101bo5bo$o5bo7b2o85b2o$2o13b2o84bo3bo$o3bo9bo88b2o$2b2o2$93bo$8b2o
82b3o$9b2o82b3o$8bo83bo$91b2o4bo$31bobo$9bo22b2o59bo4b2o$8bob2o20bo65b
o$7bo4b3o80b3o$9bobo2bo81b3o$4b2o8bo82bo$6bo3bo26bobo$2bo8b2o25b2o$2bo
2bobo30bo$2b3o4bo$5b2obo$7bo7$49bobo$50b2o$50bo$43bo$43bo3$45b2o$44bo
2bo$44b2ob2o$43b3obo10b2o$42b5o10b2o$41bob3o13bo10b3o$40b2ob2o25bo2bo$
41bo2bo28bo$42b2o25bo2bobo$64b2o3b2o$63b2o5bo5bo$45bo7b3o9bo10b2o$45bo
6bo3bo15bobo2bo$52bo2bo17bo$49bo3b2obob2o13bo2bo$48bo8bo2bo13b3o$48bo
7bo3bo$57b3o59$60bo$59b3o$58bo2bo$57bo2bo$56bob2o$35b2o19b3o$35bobo16b
2o12b2o$35bo2bo14bobo11bobo$36bobo13bob2o10bo2bo$37bobo11bo2bo11bobo$
39bo10b2obo11bobo$40b2o9b2o12bo$42b2o19b2o$41bo2bo16b2o$42bo2bo14bo2bo
$43b3o13bo2bo$51bobo5b3o$52b2o$52bo6$59bo$58b2o$58bobo6$41bobo$41b2o$
42bo$70bo30b3o$69b2o29bo2bo$37bo31bobo27bo2bo$35b2o63b2o$6b3o27b2o60b
2o$6bo2bo87bo$7bo2bo64b2o18bobo$8b2o64b2o18bobo$10b2o64bo16bo2bo$12bo
80bobo$12bobo78b2o$13bobo$b2o10bo2bo$2obo10bobo9bo$bo2bo10b2o7b2o$2bob
2o19b2o71bo$3bobo86bo4b3o$4b2o84b2o5bo2bo$6b3o82b2o5bo2bo$6bob2o89b2ob
o$7bo2bo5b2o82b3o$8bo2bo5b2o84b2o$9b3o4bo86bobo$10bo92b2obo$92b2o10bo
2bo$92bobo10bob2o$92bo2bo10b2o$93bobo$14b2o78bobo$13bobo80bo$12bo2bo
16bo64b2o$12bobo18b2o64b2o$11bobo18b2o64bo2bo$11bo87bo2bo$9b2o89b3o$7b
2o$6bo2bo27bobo$5bo2bo29b2o$5b3o30bo9$48bobo$49b2o$49bo6$56bo$55b2o$
47b3o5bobo$46bo2bo13b3o$45bo2bo14bo2bo$46b2o16bo2bo$44b2o19b2o$43bo12b
2o9b2o$41bobo11bob2o10bo$40bobo11bo2bo11bobo$39bo2bo10b2obo13bobo$39bo
bo11bobo14bo2bo$39b2o12b2o16bobo$50b3o19b2o$49b2obo$48bo2bo$47bo2bo$
47b3o$48bo!
Dvgrn, I'm on mobile and I already tried most of what you've said but none works...
Edit: I meant the ones that I tried before you posted failed but most were in your post.
Edit 2: Capitalized first letter and corrected the name.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 10:31 am
by Hunting
JP21 wrote: March 18th, 2020, 10:26 am Forgotten to post... this things:

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x = 110, y = 275, rule = B2n3/S23-q
50b3o$49bo3bo7bo$33b3o13bo2bo8bo$33bo2bo13b2obob2o3bo$36bo17bo2bo$32bo
2bobo15bo3bo6bo$32b2o10bo9b3o7bo$33bo5bo5b2o$39b2o3b2o$35bobo2bo25b2o$
36bo28bo2bo$36bo2bo25b2ob2o$37b3o10bo13b3obo$51b2o10b5o$50b2o10bob3o$
61b2ob2o$62bo2bo$63b2o3$66bo$66bo$59bo$58b2o$58bobo6$41bobo$41b2o59bo$
42bo58bob2o$100bo4b3o$71bo30bobo2bo$70b2o25b2o8bo$35bobo32bobo26bo3bo$
12bo22b2o58bo8b2o$11b3o22bo58bo2bobo$12b3o80b3o4bo$11bo65bo20b2obo$10b
2o4bo59b2o22bo$76bobo$12bo4b2o$17bo83bo$14b3o82b2o$15b3o82b2o$16bo$23b
obo$23b2o81b2o$5b2o17bo70bo9bo3bo$4bo3bo84b2o13b2o$7b2o85b2o7bo5bo$2bo
5bo$101bo5bo$o5bo7b2o85b2o$2o13b2o84bo3bo$o3bo9bo88b2o$2b2o2$93bo$8b2o
82b3o$9b2o82b3o$8bo83bo$91b2o4bo$31bobo$9bo22b2o59bo4b2o$8bob2o20bo65b
o$7bo4b3o80b3o$9bobo2bo81b3o$4b2o8bo82bo$6bo3bo26bobo$2bo8b2o25b2o$2bo
2bobo30bo$2b3o4bo$5b2obo$7bo7$49bobo$50b2o$50bo$43bo$43bo3$45b2o$44bo
2bo$44b2ob2o$43b3obo10b2o$42b5o10b2o$41bob3o13bo10b3o$40b2ob2o25bo2bo$
41bo2bo28bo$42b2o25bo2bobo$64b2o3b2o$63b2o5bo5bo$45bo7b3o9bo10b2o$45bo
6bo3bo15bobo2bo$52bo2bo17bo$49bo3b2obob2o13bo2bo$48bo8bo2bo13b3o$48bo
7bo3bo$57b3o59$60bo$59b3o$58bo2bo$57bo2bo$56bob2o$35b2o19b3o$35bobo16b
2o12b2o$35bo2bo14bobo11bobo$36bobo13bob2o10bo2bo$37bobo11bo2bo11bobo$
39bo10b2obo11bobo$40b2o9b2o12bo$42b2o19b2o$41bo2bo16b2o$42bo2bo14bo2bo
$43b3o13bo2bo$51bobo5b3o$52b2o$52bo6$59bo$58b2o$58bobo6$41bobo$41b2o$
42bo$70bo30b3o$69b2o29bo2bo$37bo31bobo27bo2bo$35b2o63b2o$6b3o27b2o60b
2o$6bo2bo87bo$7bo2bo64b2o18bobo$8b2o64b2o18bobo$10b2o64bo16bo2bo$12bo
80bobo$12bobo78b2o$13bobo$b2o10bo2bo$2obo10bobo9bo$bo2bo10b2o7b2o$2bob
2o19b2o71bo$3bobo86bo4b3o$4b2o84b2o5bo2bo$6b3o82b2o5bo2bo$6bob2o89b2ob
o$7bo2bo5b2o82b3o$8bo2bo5b2o84b2o$9b3o4bo86bobo$10bo92b2obo$92b2o10bo
2bo$92bobo10bob2o$92bo2bo10b2o$93bobo$14b2o78bobo$13bobo80bo$12bo2bo
16bo64b2o$12bobo18b2o64b2o$11bobo18b2o64bo2bo$11bo87bo2bo$9b2o89b3o$7b
2o$6bo2bo27bobo$5bo2bo29b2o$5b3o30bo9$48bobo$49b2o$49bo6$56bo$55b2o$
47b3o5bobo$46bo2bo13b3o$45bo2bo14bo2bo$46b2o16bo2bo$44b2o19b2o$43bo12b
2o9b2o$41bobo11bob2o10bo$40bobo11bo2bo11bobo$39bo2bo10b2obo13bobo$39bo
bo11bobo14bo2bo$39b2o12b2o16bobo$50b3o19b2o$49b2obo$48bo2bo$47bo2bo$
47b3o$48bo!
dvrgn, I'm on mobile and I already tried most of what you've said but none works...
Why are you mentioning a person who became inactive years ago? Haha!

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 10:32 am
by JP21
Hunting wrote: March 18th, 2020, 10:31 am
JP21 wrote: March 18th, 2020, 10:26 am Forgotten to post... this things:

Code: Select all

x = 110, y = 275, rule = B2n3/S23-q
50b3o$49bo3bo7bo$33b3o13bo2bo8bo$33bo2bo13b2obob2o3bo$36bo17bo2bo$32bo
2bobo15bo3bo6bo$32b2o10bo9b3o7bo$33bo5bo5b2o$39b2o3b2o$35bobo2bo25b2o$
36bo28bo2bo$36bo2bo25b2ob2o$37b3o10bo13b3obo$51b2o10b5o$50b2o10bob3o$
61b2ob2o$62bo2bo$63b2o3$66bo$66bo$59bo$58b2o$58bobo6$41bobo$41b2o59bo$
42bo58bob2o$100bo4b3o$71bo30bobo2bo$70b2o25b2o8bo$35bobo32bobo26bo3bo$
12bo22b2o58bo8b2o$11b3o22bo58bo2bobo$12b3o80b3o4bo$11bo65bo20b2obo$10b
2o4bo59b2o22bo$76bobo$12bo4b2o$17bo83bo$14b3o82b2o$15b3o82b2o$16bo$23b
obo$23b2o81b2o$5b2o17bo70bo9bo3bo$4bo3bo84b2o13b2o$7b2o85b2o7bo5bo$2bo
5bo$101bo5bo$o5bo7b2o85b2o$2o13b2o84bo3bo$o3bo9bo88b2o$2b2o2$93bo$8b2o
82b3o$9b2o82b3o$8bo83bo$91b2o4bo$31bobo$9bo22b2o59bo4b2o$8bob2o20bo65b
o$7bo4b3o80b3o$9bobo2bo81b3o$4b2o8bo82bo$6bo3bo26bobo$2bo8b2o25b2o$2bo
2bobo30bo$2b3o4bo$5b2obo$7bo7$49bobo$50b2o$50bo$43bo$43bo3$45b2o$44bo
2bo$44b2ob2o$43b3obo10b2o$42b5o10b2o$41bob3o13bo10b3o$40b2ob2o25bo2bo$
41bo2bo28bo$42b2o25bo2bobo$64b2o3b2o$63b2o5bo5bo$45bo7b3o9bo10b2o$45bo
6bo3bo15bobo2bo$52bo2bo17bo$49bo3b2obob2o13bo2bo$48bo8bo2bo13b3o$48bo
7bo3bo$57b3o59$60bo$59b3o$58bo2bo$57bo2bo$56bob2o$35b2o19b3o$35bobo16b
2o12b2o$35bo2bo14bobo11bobo$36bobo13bob2o10bo2bo$37bobo11bo2bo11bobo$
39bo10b2obo11bobo$40b2o9b2o12bo$42b2o19b2o$41bo2bo16b2o$42bo2bo14bo2bo
$43b3o13bo2bo$51bobo5b3o$52b2o$52bo6$59bo$58b2o$58bobo6$41bobo$41b2o$
42bo$70bo30b3o$69b2o29bo2bo$37bo31bobo27bo2bo$35b2o63b2o$6b3o27b2o60b
2o$6bo2bo87bo$7bo2bo64b2o18bobo$8b2o64b2o18bobo$10b2o64bo16bo2bo$12bo
80bobo$12bobo78b2o$13bobo$b2o10bo2bo$2obo10bobo9bo$bo2bo10b2o7b2o$2bob
2o19b2o71bo$3bobo86bo4b3o$4b2o84b2o5bo2bo$6b3o82b2o5bo2bo$6bob2o89b2ob
o$7bo2bo5b2o82b3o$8bo2bo5b2o84b2o$9b3o4bo86bobo$10bo92b2obo$92b2o10bo
2bo$92bobo10bob2o$92bo2bo10b2o$93bobo$14b2o78bobo$13bobo80bo$12bo2bo
16bo64b2o$12bobo18b2o64b2o$11bobo18b2o64bo2bo$11bo87bo2bo$9b2o89b3o$7b
2o$6bo2bo27bobo$5bo2bo29b2o$5b3o30bo9$48bobo$49b2o$49bo6$56bo$55b2o$
47b3o5bobo$46bo2bo13b3o$45bo2bo14bo2bo$46b2o16bo2bo$44b2o19b2o$43bo12b
2o9b2o$41bobo11bob2o10bo$40bobo11bo2bo11bobo$39bo2bo10b2obo13bobo$39bo
bo11bobo14bo2bo$39b2o12b2o16bobo$50b3o19b2o$49b2obo$48bo2bo$47bo2bo$
47b3o$48bo!
dvrgn, I'm on mobile and I already tried most of what you've said but none works...
Why are you mentioning a person who became inactive years ago? Haha!
You could have said, "Mistake saved"
Edit: I edited it while you are posting...
Edit 2: I was editing the edit 2 (the other one) but your post didn't even appear yet until I edited it.
It's my common mistake just because when I pronounce his pseudonym in my head, it sounds like divgern or sometimes, divergin.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 10:35 am
by Hunting
JP21 wrote: March 18th, 2020, 10:32 am
Hunting wrote: March 18th, 2020, 10:31 am
JP21 wrote: March 18th, 2020, 10:26 am Forgotten to post... this things:

Code: Select all

x = 110, y = 275, rule = B2n3/S23-q
50b3o$49bo3bo7bo$33b3o13bo2bo8bo$33bo2bo13b2obob2o3bo$36bo17bo2bo$32bo
2bobo15bo3bo6bo$32b2o10bo9b3o7bo$33bo5bo5b2o$39b2o3b2o$35bobo2bo25b2o$
36bo28bo2bo$36bo2bo25b2ob2o$37b3o10bo13b3obo$51b2o10b5o$50b2o10bob3o$
61b2ob2o$62bo2bo$63b2o3$66bo$66bo$59bo$58b2o$58bobo6$41bobo$41b2o59bo$
42bo58bob2o$100bo4b3o$71bo30bobo2bo$70b2o25b2o8bo$35bobo32bobo26bo3bo$
12bo22b2o58bo8b2o$11b3o22bo58bo2bobo$12b3o80b3o4bo$11bo65bo20b2obo$10b
2o4bo59b2o22bo$76bobo$12bo4b2o$17bo83bo$14b3o82b2o$15b3o82b2o$16bo$23b
obo$23b2o81b2o$5b2o17bo70bo9bo3bo$4bo3bo84b2o13b2o$7b2o85b2o7bo5bo$2bo
5bo$101bo5bo$o5bo7b2o85b2o$2o13b2o84bo3bo$o3bo9bo88b2o$2b2o2$93bo$8b2o
82b3o$9b2o82b3o$8bo83bo$91b2o4bo$31bobo$9bo22b2o59bo4b2o$8bob2o20bo65b
o$7bo4b3o80b3o$9bobo2bo81b3o$4b2o8bo82bo$6bo3bo26bobo$2bo8b2o25b2o$2bo
2bobo30bo$2b3o4bo$5b2obo$7bo7$49bobo$50b2o$50bo$43bo$43bo3$45b2o$44bo
2bo$44b2ob2o$43b3obo10b2o$42b5o10b2o$41bob3o13bo10b3o$40b2ob2o25bo2bo$
41bo2bo28bo$42b2o25bo2bobo$64b2o3b2o$63b2o5bo5bo$45bo7b3o9bo10b2o$45bo
6bo3bo15bobo2bo$52bo2bo17bo$49bo3b2obob2o13bo2bo$48bo8bo2bo13b3o$48bo
7bo3bo$57b3o59$60bo$59b3o$58bo2bo$57bo2bo$56bob2o$35b2o19b3o$35bobo16b
2o12b2o$35bo2bo14bobo11bobo$36bobo13bob2o10bo2bo$37bobo11bo2bo11bobo$
39bo10b2obo11bobo$40b2o9b2o12bo$42b2o19b2o$41bo2bo16b2o$42bo2bo14bo2bo
$43b3o13bo2bo$51bobo5b3o$52b2o$52bo6$59bo$58b2o$58bobo6$41bobo$41b2o$
42bo$70bo30b3o$69b2o29bo2bo$37bo31bobo27bo2bo$35b2o63b2o$6b3o27b2o60b
2o$6bo2bo87bo$7bo2bo64b2o18bobo$8b2o64b2o18bobo$10b2o64bo16bo2bo$12bo
80bobo$12bobo78b2o$13bobo$b2o10bo2bo$2obo10bobo9bo$bo2bo10b2o7b2o$2bob
2o19b2o71bo$3bobo86bo4b3o$4b2o84b2o5bo2bo$6b3o82b2o5bo2bo$6bob2o89b2ob
o$7bo2bo5b2o82b3o$8bo2bo5b2o84b2o$9b3o4bo86bobo$10bo92b2obo$92b2o10bo
2bo$92bobo10bob2o$92bo2bo10b2o$93bobo$14b2o78bobo$13bobo80bo$12bo2bo
16bo64b2o$12bobo18b2o64b2o$11bobo18b2o64bo2bo$11bo87bo2bo$9b2o89b3o$7b
2o$6bo2bo27bobo$5bo2bo29b2o$5b3o30bo9$48bobo$49b2o$49bo6$56bo$55b2o$
47b3o5bobo$46bo2bo13b3o$45bo2bo14bo2bo$46b2o16bo2bo$44b2o19b2o$43bo12b
2o9b2o$41bobo11bob2o10bo$40bobo11bo2bo11bobo$39bo2bo10b2obo13bobo$39bo
bo11bobo14bo2bo$39b2o12b2o16bobo$50b3o19b2o$49b2obo$48bo2bo$47bo2bo$
47b3o$48bo!
dvrgn, I'm on mobile and I already tried most of what you've said but none works...
Why are you mentioning a person who became inactive years ago? Haha!
You could have said, "Mistake saved"
Edit: I edited it while you are posting...
I'm aware of that, but that would make me totally identical to you, you know.

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 10:41 am
by dvgrn
Hunting wrote: March 18th, 2020, 8:57 am
dvgrn wrote: March 18th, 2020, 7:42 am I've been trying to kill off that system for years, though.
Why? It's funny. (I know they are hard to remember)
That's exactly why. If the list had started with the alphabetical adjectives, there might be some hope of remembering and using these things. But as it is, they're just a joke -- funny, yes, but not at all useful. The joke gets old fast if you ever actually want to know what someone means and have to go dig up an annoying lookup table for every reference -- when they could have just said "long^5" or "long^7" or whatever, and it would have been perfectly clear.

Also, of course, objects that are longer than about long^3 hardly ever actually get talked about anyway, so the real-Life opportunity for anyone to get used to this terminology is just about zero.
Hunting wrote: March 18th, 2020, 8:57 amWill do a manual block catalyst search later on that. I like manual searching! (Meanwhile I enjoy writing Golly scripts too)
If you feel like experimenting with a slightly crazier idea, the list of useful catalysts can be expanded quite a bit by allowing constructible low-period oscillators. If you can get an active reaction to move by parking p6 TLs nearby, that would still be a hugely worthwhile discovery, especially if extra gliders can be produced.

However, none of this is likely to help with the goal of a p22 or p24 signal splitter. Stable circuity, if it even exists, is likely to have a much slower recovery time than that.
Hunting wrote: March 18th, 2020, 10:07 am Searching for catalyst. Too lazy to complete it...
Hmm, yeah, it kind of looks like there might be some hope for deeper searches that allow transparent blocks. Even Herschel conduits pretty much wouldn't be a thing if it weren't for transparent-junk reactions. But it's probably not too likely that anything can be found manually, unless someone summons up a lot more patience.

Re: recent posts -- you know, it gets a lot harder to find the useful stuff in a thread like this when people keep re-quoting big blocks of junk. Is it really necessary for y'all to post four identical copies of JP21's signal-loops pattern one after the other?

Re: LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

Posted: March 18th, 2020, 10:49 am
by JP21
[/quote]We only quote without deleting the text because we were lazy...
Also, why the quote blank?
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