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Yup, that seems right. Apparently I hadn't memorized the relevant statistics for that amazing HRx65R conduit yet.confocaloid wrote: February 16th, 2023, 9:56 am So the current dividing line seems to be between 57 and 58, if I'm not missing something important?
I meant corner sparkrattlesnake wrote: February 15th, 2023, 6:25 pm I think it is Superfountain:Code: Select all
#N Superfountain eats output of period-48 glider gun x = 37, y = 40, rule = B3/S23 28b2o$13b2o13bo$13b2o11bobo$26b2o3$bobo3bobo$o6bobo11bo$bo3b2o2bo10bo bo$3bobo14bobo$4bo3bo11b3o$4bob2o18b2o$2b2o2b2o18bobo$4bo5b2o16bo$10b 2o16b2o8$25bo3$19bo2bo5bo2bo$17b2o2bob5obo2b2o$19bo11bo$17bob2o9b2obo $15bobo3b3o3b3o3bobo$14b3obo13bob3o$24bobo$18b3o3bobo3b3o$18bo2bo3bo3b o2bo$17b4o2bobobo2b4o$17b2o2b3obob3o2b2o$16bo3bo3bobo3bo3bo$17bo2bobo bobobobo2bo$18bobob2o3b2obobo$19bo11bo!
It might be this one:
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x = 15, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
6bo$3bo2b2o2b2o$6bo4bo$8b3o$3b3o2bo2b3o$bob3ob3obo2bo$obo4bo3bo2bo$obo
2b3obob3o$b2obobo3bo$4bobo4bo$b3o3bo2b2o$o3b2obo$obo2bo2b4o$b3o2bobo2b
o$4b2o3b2o$3bo2b3o$3b2o3bo!Meaning, this direction?JP21 wrote: February 16th, 2023, 12:59 pm It might be this one...
(or not? it does eat gliders in a particular direction though)
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x = 18, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o3$9bo$6bo2b2o2b2o$9bo4bo$11b3o$6b3o2bo2b3o$4bob3ob3obo2bo$3bob
o4bo3bo2bo$3bobo2b3obob3o$4b2obobo3bo$7bobo4bo$4b3o3bo2b2o$3bo3b2obo$
3bobo2bo2b4o$4b3o2bobo2bo$7b2o3b2o$6bo2b3o$6b2o3bo!Code: Select all
#C This is almost a p777 loop, except for the p1554 snake-bit blocking the output
#C glider stream and the p6216 interaction with the p8 glider reflector. Both the snake-bit
#C and the p8 glider reflector can be viewed as "functionally stable stateless" mechanisms.
#C (In LifeViewer, the "Pattern/Identify/Map" feature shows periods of individual cells)
x = 109, y = 87, rule = B3/S23
43b2o$42bobo$36b2o4bo$34bo2bo2b2ob4o$34b2obobobobo2bo$37bobobobo$37bob
ob2o$38bo2$51b2o$42b2o7bo$42b2o5bobo$49b2o7$39b2o$40bo$37b3o$19bo17bo$
17b3o$16bo$15bobo$15bobo$16bo5$2o$2o2$14bo$13bo$13b3o4b2o$20bobo$2b2o
18bo$3bo9b2o7b2o$2bo10b2o$2b2o$5b2o$2b2ob2o$3bo$bo3b2o$b4o2bo$4bobobo$
b2obo2bo18bo27bo$2bobo19b3o27b3o$bo2b2o17bo33bo7b2o$bobo2bobo14b2o19b
2o10b2o7b2o$2bobo2b2o20bo15bo$3bo23b3o15bobo$26bo19b2o$26b2o6$29b2o$
10b2o17b2o$10b2o$60b2o$60bo13bobobobo$9b2o50b3o9bob2ob2obo22b2o$10bo
52bo9bo3bo3bo22bo$7b3o12b2o48b2o3bob2o21bobo$7bo14bo55bo23b2o$23b3o50b
obo$25bo50b2o2$101b2o$101b2o3b2o$105bo2bo2$104bo$91b2o11bo2bo$91bo5b2o
3b2ob2o$92b3o2b2o3b3o$94bo8bo$92b2o$92bo$19b2obo70bo8b2o$19bob2o69b2o
8b2o!
#C [[ THEME LifeHistory ]]
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#C p6/p8 C-to-G
#C Source for p8 version: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=111999#p111999
#C Source for p6 version: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=112007#p112007
x = 92, y = 233, rule = B3/S23
28b2o$28bo2bo3$28bob2o31b2o$23b2o2bobo29b2obo2bob2o$23bo4bo30b2o2bo4bo
$27bo36bo$24bo2bo37bobo2$8b2o72b2o$8bobo70bobo$9bo72bo3$21bo48bo$20bo
50bo$19bo52bo$20bo50bo$21b2o46b2o2$2o88b2o$2o88b2o8$28b2o$28b2o3$28b3o
32b2o$23b2o2bob2o28b4o4b2o$23b2o2b2o30b3ob2o2b2o$27b2o35bo3$8b2o72b2o$
8bobo70bobo$9bo72bo3$21bo48bo$20bo50bo$19bo52bo$20bo50bo$21b2o46b2o2$
2o88b2o$2o88b2o8$28b2o$28b2o2$29bo$28bobo29b4o$23b2o2bo2bo28bo7b2o$23b
2obo32bo3b2o2b2o$27b2o31bo2b2o3$8b2o72b2o$8bobo70bobo$9bo72bo3$21bo48b
o$20bo50bo$19bo52bo$20bo50bo$21b2o46b2o2$2o88b2o$2o88b2o8$28b2o$28b2o$
28b2o$29bo31b2o$28bobo29b3o$23b3obobo29bobo2bo2b2o$23b4obo30b2o2b2o2b
2o$27bo35b2o3$8b2o72b2o$8bobo70bobo$9bo72bo3$21bo48bo$20bo50bo$19bo52b
o$20bo50bo$21b2o46b2o2$2o88b2o$2o88b2o8$28b2o$27bo2bo$30bo$30bo29bobo$
24bo3bobo32bo$23bo3bobo29bo4bo2b2o$23bo4bo30b2obo2bob2o$24b4o35b2o3$8b
2o72b2o$8bobo70bobo$9bo72bo3$21bo48bo$20bo50bo$19bo52bo$20bo50bo$21b2o
46b2o2$2o88b2o$2o88b2o8$28b2o$28bobo$29b3o$30b2o$28bobo32bo$23b2o2bobo
29b2o2b2ob3o$23bobo2bo30b2o4b4o$24b4o35b2o$25b2o2$8b2o72b2o$8bobo70bob
o$9bo72bo3$21bo48bo$20bo50bo$19bo52bo$20bo50bo$21b2o46b2o2$2o88b2o$2o
88b2o12$63b2o2bo$59b2o2b2o3bo$59b2o7bo$64b4o3$82b2o$81bobo$82bo3$70bo$
71bo$72bo$71bo$69b2o2$90b2o$90b2o12$63b2o$59b2o2b2o2b2o$59b2o2bo2bobo$
65b3o$65b2o2$82b2o$81bobo$82bo3$70bo$71bo$72bo$71bo$69b2o2$90b2o$90b2o!
The domino from a pentadecathlon (or almost any other domino sparker) can remove an unwanted block in one of two ways. If you have a generator that periodically generates unwanted blocks on an edge, a pentadecathlon can asynchronously remove them.confocaloid wrote: February 18th, 2023, 1:19 pm Question: What are other known interesting "functionally stable stateless" mechanisms?
("Interesting" is meant to exclude relatively boring examples, such as a semi-Snark followed by a glider eater/a snake-bit.)
TBH I think it could be less confusing to refer to these as engineered spaceships. This is longer but much clearer. You engineer a spaceship using some number of copies of a dirty/chaotic reaction.
Many honey farm hasslers hassle buns since they evolve into honey farms. Since a bun can also be stabilised in many ways to create a still life, I assume this is why.
I think the term "corderization" refers to stabilizing a dirty (and ultimately unsuccessful) puffer like Corderman's Switch Engine, solely by using multiple copies of itself in different phases and positions. Engineered Spaceships includes these, but is a much wider category - also including things like B-heptominos tamed by escort *WSS spaceships, and complex constructions like Gemini, HBK, Waterbear, etc.confocaloid wrote: February 19th, 2023, 1:55 pmTBH I think it could be less confusing to refer to these as engineered spaceships. This is longer but much clearer. You engineer a spaceship using some number of copies of a dirty/chaotic reaction.
Right. To clarify a little more, probably unnecessarily, puffers can be corderized even if they're perfectly successful. For example, the pufferfish spaceship is a corderization of the pufferfish-based p36 block puffer (combining two of them in a way that suppresses the blocks).mniemiec wrote: February 20th, 2023, 6:21 amI think the term "corderization" refers to stabilizing a dirty (and ultimately unsuccessful) puffer like Corderman's Switch Engine, solely by using multiple copies of itself in different phases and positions.
Unfortunately this clashes with Cordership, which refers specifically to a spaceship based on Life's switch engines (and therefore necessarily moving diagonally with speed c/12 and having period that is a multiple of 96), named after Charles Corderman, who discovered the switch engine.dvgrn wrote: February 20th, 2023, 12:01 pm "Corderization" is a useful precise term, not about to be discarded any time soon.
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x = 48, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
23bo$24bo$2bo19b3o$obo$b2o9$22bo$16bo3bobo$14bobo4b2o$15b2o2$25bo$26bo
$24b3o12$37bo$38bo$36b3o4$36bo$37bo$35b3o5$46b2o$46b2o!
I don't see how this is a clash in any interesting sense. It's a generalization of the first/earliest/best known instance of a category, to apply to later objects in the same category, maybe even in completely different rules. "Corderization" isn't the same word as "Cordership", so it seems like the most that should be needed is a LifeWiki page about "corderization".confocaloid wrote: February 20th, 2023, 3:40 pm Unfortunately this clashes with Cordership, which refers specifically to a spaceship based on Life's switch engines...
Can the block push be any distance?pipsqueek wrote: February 20th, 2023, 4:45 pm is there a simpler way to push a block diagonally and have one returning glider?Code: Select all
x = 48, y = 47, rule = B3/S23 23bo$24bo$2bo19b3o$obo$b2o9$22bo$16bo3bobo$14bobo4b2o$15b2o2$25bo$26bo $24b3o12$37bo$38bo$36b3o4$36bo$37bo$35b3o5$46b2o$46b2o!
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x = 90, y = 56, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo5$11bobo37bo$12b2o38bo$12bo37b3o12$27bo$28bo$26b3o5$78bo$79b
o$77b3o$47bo$48bo$46b3o15$88bo$89bo$87b3o4$88b2o$88b2o!Code: Select all
x = 77, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o35bo$39bo$37b3o12$14bo$15bo$13b3o5$65bo$66bo$64b3o$34bo$35b
o$33b3o15$75bo$76bo$74b3o4$75b2o$75b2o!Here is a 6G solution, where the returning glider does not interfere with the salvo -- it can be repeated every 128 ticks:pipsqueek wrote: February 20th, 2023, 4:45 pm is there a simpler way to push a block diagonally and have one returning glider?Code: Select all
x = 48, y = 47, rule = B3/S23 23bo$24bo$2bo19b3o$obo$b2o9$22bo$16bo3bobo$14bobo4b2o$15b2o2$25bo$26bo $24b3o12$37bo$38bo$36b3o4$36bo$37bo$35b3o5$46b2o$46b2o!
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x = 106, y = 189, rule = LifeHistory
2C$2C10$15.2C$6.3C5.2C$6.C9.C$7.C6$18.3C$18.C$19.C21$47.2A$38.3A5.2A$
38.A9.A$39.A6$50.3A$50.A$51.A21$79.2A$70.3A5.2A$70.A9.A$71.A6$82.3A$
82.A$83.A23$22.3C$22.C$23.C6$31.3C$31.C$32.C3$39.3C$39.C$40.C17$54.3A
$54.A$55.A6$63.3A$63.A$64.A3$71.3A$71.A$72.A17$86.3A$86.A$87.A6$95.3A
$95.A$96.A3$103.3A$103.A$104.A!
Edit 2: 5G, can be repeated after 66 ticks:codeholic wrote: September 4th, 2013, 1:11 am EDIT: The second alternative is somewhat special, because the return glider does not interact with any salvos, that might be still in flight. Though probably it does not matter for your goal.Code: Select all
x = 77, y = 85, rule = B3/S23 2o$2o7$4b2o$4bobo$4bo4$9b2o$8b2o$10bo5$18b2o$18bobo4bo$18bo5b2o$24bobo 8$11b3o$11bo$12bo24$54b2o$54bobo$54bo4$59b2o$58b2o$60bo5$68b2o$68bobo 4bo$68bo5b2o$74bobo8$61b3o$61bo$62bo!
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x = 56, y = 100, rule = B3/S23
54b2o$54b2o8$41bo$41b2o6b2o$40bobo5bobo$50bo6$37b2o$36bobo$38bo6$24b2o
$25b2o5b3o$24bo9bo$33bo6$20b3o$22bo$21bo5$8bo$8b2o6b2o$7bobo5bobo$17bo
6$4b2o$3bobo$5bo9$33b3o$35bo$34bo4bo$39b2o$38bobo12$17b2o$16bobo$18bo$
22b2o$23b2o$22bo12$3o$2bo$bo4bo$6b2o$5bobo!
It's interesting how it's ultimately a misnomer: yes, the Cordership was the first example, but it was built by Dean Hickerson, not Charles Corderman, and we've actually verbed the wrong half of the word:dvgrn wrote: February 20th, 2023, 5:38 pmI don't see how this is a clash in any interesting sense. It's a generalization of the first/earliest/best known instance of a category, to apply to later objects in the same category, maybe even in completely different rules. "Corderization" isn't the same word as "Cordership", so it seems like the most that should be needed is a LifeWiki page about "corderization".confocaloid wrote: February 20th, 2023, 3:40 pm Unfortunately this clashes with Cordership, which refers specifically to a spaceship based on Life's switch engines...
Corderman's Switch Engine was the first object that had this property, but the verb "corderize" evolved into a general term referring to all objects of this same property. This is a common phenomenon.confocaloid wrote: February 20th, 2023, 3:40 pmUnfortunately this clashes with Cordership, which refers specifically to a spaceship based on Life's switch engines (and therefore necessarily moving diagonally with speed c/12 and having period that is a multiple of 96), named after Charles Corderman, who discovered the switch engine.
I personally think this clash is unfortunate and confusing. If it was possible to go back in time, I think it might make sense to pick a completely different term (not referring to Charles Corderman) for the act of arranging multiple copies of a reaction to make a spaceship.
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x = 46, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
11b2o$12bo$12bob2ob2obo$13bobobob2o$o13bo$3o$3bo$2b2o2$13bobo6b2obo$3b
2o8bobo6bob2o$3b2o8b3o4$13bo$12bobo4$17bobo3bobo$12bo6bo3bo8bobo2b2o$
13bo13bo3bo3bob3o4b2o$14bo3bo5bo3bo3bo6b2o3b2o$15bo11bo5b5obo$19bo3bo
12b3o$17bobo3bobo$36b3o$33b5obo$17b2o13bo6b2o3b2o$17b2o12bo3bob3o4b2o$
32bobo2b2o!
who's to say that it will be symmetric? and how do you know its the best way? Im sure there is a more efficient specialized method of searching for replicators. if we haven't found one already, then maybe our search efforts aren't effective enough.hotdogPi wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 1:56 pm The best way to search for an elementary replicator is apgsearch with symmetric soups, i.e. we're already doing that.
It's not necessarily that the replicators themselves are symmetric; only that they are more likely to occur in symmetric soups. E.g. soups with 4-fold symmetries often yield 4 switch engines - and do so with much greater frequency than asymmetric soups yield a single switch engine.pipsqueek wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 2:08 pmwho's to say that it will be symmetric? and how do you know its the best way? Im sure there is a more efficient specialized method of searching for replicators. if we haven't found one already, then maybe our search efforts aren't effective enough.
why?mniemiec wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 10:14 pmIt's not necessarily that the replicators themselves are symmetric; only that they are more likely to occur in symmetric soups. E.g. soups with 4-fold symmetries often yield 4 switch engines - and do so with much greater frequency than asymmetric soups yield a single switch engine.pipsqueek wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 2:08 pmwho's to say that it will be symmetric? and how do you know its the best way? Im sure there is a more efficient specialized method of searching for replicators. if we haven't found one already, then maybe our search efforts aren't effective enough.