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[Scorbie]

Repeated Kazyan's searches to find another variant of the p14 prepulsar push:

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x = 12, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$9bo$5bobo$bo2bob6o$b4o6bo$5b4o$b3obo2bo$o2b2o$2o$9b3o$9bobo$9b3o
4$9b3o$9bobo$9b3o$2o$o2b2o$b3obo2bo$5b4o$b4o6bo$bo2bob6o$5bobo$9bo$8b
2o!

It can be used with various other companions:

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x = 97, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
60bobo$8b2o27b2o20bob2o2b2o18b2o$9bo27bo21bo3b3o20bo$5bobo6b2o15b2o6bo
bo15b2ob3o4bobo14bo$bo2bob6obo2bo13bo2bob6obo2bo10bobobo2b6obo2bo10b5o
6bo$b4o6bobobobo10bo2bobobo6b4o10bobo4bo6b4o14bo4b3o$5b4o5bo2bo14bo5b
4o12b2o2bo7b4o12b4o6bo$b3obo2bo9bo9bob2o6bo2bob3o7bo4b2o6bo2bob3o8bo2b
o6b2o$o2b2o10bobo11bo12b2o2bo6b5o12b2o2bo$2o43b2o4b2o4bo15b2o$9b3o20b
3o15bo2b2o5b3o23b3o$9bobo20bobo15b2obo6bobo23bobo6b2o$9b3o20b3o18bo6b
3o18b3o2b3o6b2o$53b2o3$9b3o6b2o12b3o6b2o17b3o6b2o15b3o$9bobo6b2o12bobo
6b2o17bobo6b2o15bobo$9b3o20b3o25b3o23b3o$2o21b2o26b2o24b2o$o2b2o18bo2b
2o23bo2b2o21bo2b2o10bobo$b3obo2bo6b2o7b3obo2bo6b2o12b3obo2bo6b2o10b3ob
o2bo9bo$5b4o6bo12b4o6bo17b4o6bo15b4o5bo2bo$b4o6bo4b3o5b4o6bo4b3o10b4o
6bo4b3o8b4o6bobobobo$bo2bob6o6bo5bo2bob6o6bo10bo2bob6o6bo8bo2bob6obo2b
o$5bobo20bobo25bobo23bobo6b2o$9bo22bo27bo25bo$8b2o21b2o26b2o24b2o!

Sadly, it's unfriendly with skewed prepulsars...

[The Turtle]

I made this two years ago, (when I first discovered Conway's Game of Life) but then found on the wiki that it was just essentially four candelabras.

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x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o4b2ob2o$2obo6bob2o$3bobo2bobo$4obo2bob4o$o4bo2bo4bo$2b3o4b3o3$2b
3o4b3o$o4bo2bo4bo$4obo2bob4o$3bobo2bobo$2obo6bob2o$2ob2o4b2ob2o!

[BlinkerSpawn]

This unusual p40 rake doesn't have much worth:

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x = 37, y = 87, rule = B3/S23
7b3o17b3o$6bo2bo17bo2bo$9bo4b3o3b3o4bo$9bo4bo2bobo2bo4bo$6bobo4bo9bo4b
obo2$12bo11bo$12bo4bobo4bo$17bobo$17bobo8b3o$14b3o3b3o5bo2bo$28bo$28bo
$29bobo4$16b2o$11b2o4b2o6b2o$3o7b2o4b2o7bobo$o2bo7bo6bobobo3bo5b3o$o
11b3o8bo8bo2bo$o11b2o8b2o8bo$bobo28bo3bo$32bo$4b2o27bobo$3bo3b2o$2bo5b
o5b2o$2bobo2b2o4bo9bo$6b2o5bo9b2o$4bo2bo9bo6bo$14b2o$5bobo8bo4b2o4b2o
2$23bobo2bo$23b2o3bo$22bo4bo$23b4o$24bo5$10bo$11b2o$10b2o3$23b2o$14b2o
6bo2bo$13bo2bo6b2o$13bo2bo$14b2o6$15bo$16b2o$15b2o8$23b2o$22bo2bo$23b
2o11$17b3o$17bo2bo$17bo$17bo3bo$17bo$18bobo!

EDIT: Smaller population due to better R suppression.

[gmc_nxtman]

I was messing around with p46 shuttles, here is some stuff I found. Most of it is probably known. I compiled it into a big p92 para-hooks factory.

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x = 98, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
31b2o14b3o$32bo16bo$49bo6bo$48bo7b3o$59bo$48bo7b3o$49bo6bo$49bo$47b3o
3$6bo$5bobo$5bobo$4b2ob2o33b4o$42b2obo$45bo10bo$43b2o11b3o$59bo$o11bo
30b2o11b3o$bo9bo33bo10bo$3bobobobo32b2obo$3bobobobo32b4o$4b2ob2o22bo$b
o2bo3bo2bo17b6o$2b2o5b2o17bo4bo$29b3ob2o33b2o9b2o$31bobo2bo30bo2bo7bo
2bo$35b2o30b3o2b5o2b3o$70b2o5b2o$69bo9bo14b2o$69b2obo3bob2o15bo$74bo5$
23bo$2b2o14b2obo3bob2o$3bo14bo9bo$19b2o5b2o$16b3o2b5o2b3o30b2o$16bo2bo
7bo2bo30bo2bobo$17b2o9b2o33b2ob3o$64bo4bo17b2o5b2o$63b6o17bo2bo3bo2bo$
66bo22b2ob2o$52b4o32bobobobo$52bob2o32bobobobo$41bo10bo33bo9bo$39b3o
11b2o30bo11bo$38bo$39b3o11b2o$41bo10bo$52bob2o$52b4o33b2ob2o$90bobo$
90bobo$91bo3$48b3o$48bo$41bo6bo$39b3o7bo$38bo$39b3o7bo$41bo6bo$48bo16b
2o$48b3o15bo!

• The eater2 reaction with the shuttle to produce gunk
• Hat instead of blocks for stabilization
• Glider collides with spark to make LWSS
• Gun from a trans-shuttle and a trans-eater shuttle
• Middleweight emulator as filter
• LWSS synthesis/destruction of para-bookends

Also, this weird thing (probably not new):

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x = 11, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
6bobo$7b2o$7bo4$8b3o$8bo$8b3o$2b2o$bobo$bo$2o!

Almost p41 oscillator:

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x = 135, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
19bo31bo31bo31bo$19bo31bo31bo31bo$2o17bo31bo31bo31bo17b2o$bo131bo$bobo
127bobo$2b2o127b2o2$15bo7bo23bo7bo23bo7bo23bo7bo$13b2ob2o3b2ob2o19b2ob
2o3b2ob2o19b2ob2o3b2ob2o19b2ob2o3b2ob2o$15bo7bo23bo7bo23bo7bo23bo7bo2$
15bo7bo23bo7bo23bo7bo23bo7bo$13b2ob2o3b2ob2o19b2ob2o3b2ob2o19b2ob2o3b
2ob2o19b2ob2o3b2ob2o$15bo7bo23bo7bo23bo7bo23bo7bo2$2b2o127b2o$bobo127b
obo$bo131bo$2o17bo31bo31bo31bo17b2o$19bo31bo31bo31bo$19bo31bo31bo31bo!

Probably known synthesis component:

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x = 12, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
11bo$9b3o$8bo$7bobo$8bo3$6b2o$bo4b2o$b2o$obo!

[Scorbie]

Here's an unsure LWSS->X candidate from a brief ptbsearch run:

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x = 26, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$15bo2bo$16b2o3$22bo2bo$2o19bo$bo19bo3bo$bobo17b4o$2b2o$7bo$6bobo
$6bobo$7bo4$2b2o$bobo$bo$2o12b2o$14bobo$16bo$16b2o!

Here's another one:

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x = 27, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
4b2obo$4bob2o$16b2o$5b5o6b2o$2o2bo4bo$o2bo2bo14b2o$bobob2o14bobo$2obo
5bo12bo$3bo4bobo$3b2o2bo2bo$8b2o5bo$14bobo$14bobo3bo2bo$15bo3bo$19bo3b
o$19b4o5$24b2o$24b2o!

[Scorbie]

LWSS->G with B predecessor going down, but unfortunately the B pred damages the catalyst.

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x = 24, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o$15b2o$15bo$13bobo$13b2o$5b2o$4bo2bo$5b2o$20bo2bo$19bo$
19bo3bo$19b4o$2b2o$3bo$3o$o!

[simsim314]

LWSS->G with B predecessor going down

LWSS->G by its own right is very cool. Adding some eater to B to cancel it out, while keeping the LWSS->G will still be cool discovery.

[Scorbie]

LWSS->G by its own right is very cool. Adding some eater to B to cancel it out, while keeping the LWSS->G will still be cool discovery.

Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately, the Bellman search yielded no solutions and this was the best I could find...

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x = 32, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o$15b2o$15bo$13bobo$13b2o$5b2o$4bo2bo$5b2o$20bo2bo$19bo$
19bo3bo$19b4o$2b2o$3bo$3o$o10b2o$11bo$12b3o$14bo7$29b3o$29bo$30bo!

[gmc_nxtman]

Has anyone found this wave yet? Are there supports for it?

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x = 74, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
4o$2o$8o$4b2o$4b8o$8b2o$8b8o$12b2o$12b8o$16b2o$16b8o$20b2o$20b8o$24b2o
$24b8o$28b2o$28b8o$32b2o$32b8o$36b2o$36b8o$40b2o$40b8o$44b2o$44b8o$48b
2o$48b8o$52b2o$52b8o$56b2o$56b8o$60b2o$60b8o$64b2o$64b8o$68b2o$68b6o$
72b2o$72bo!

[The Turtle]

Why does the wiki have a five-glider destruction of the Gosper Glider Gun when only two gliders are needed? (the escaping glider was created by the gun)

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x = 36, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
5bo$6b2o$5b2o3$10bo$10b4o$11b4o10b2o$2o9bo2bo9bobo$2o9b4o8b3o8b2o$10b
4o8b3o9b2o$10bo12b3o$24bobo$25b2o14$4b2o$3bobo$5bo!

[gmc_nxtman]

Not really clean, simply because of that glider. However it may be useful if an output glider is wanted for further destruction.

For now, 3-glider destruction:

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x = 49, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
36bobo$36b2o$37bo9bo$46bo$46b3o15$5bo$6b2o$5b2o3$10bo$10b4o$11b4o10b2o
$2o9bo2bo9bobo$2o9b4o8b3o8b2o$10b4o8b3o9b2o$10bo12b3o$24bobo$25b2o!

This collision produces a big S:

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x = 51, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
49bo$48bo$48b3o17$5bo$6b2o$5b2o3$10bo$10b4o$11b4o10b2o$2o9bo2bo9bobo$
2o9b4o8b3o8b2o$10b4o8b3o9b2o$10bo12b3o$24bobo$25b2o!

[simsim314]

Has anyone found this wave yet? Are there supports for it?

Yes it's in Jason Summer's collection (in golly Help->Online Archives->Jason Summer->jslife->velocity c2->waveguide1.lif):

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x = 152, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
7bo12b2o$5bo13b4o29bo$4b2o3bob2o5b2ob2o30b2o$4bo3b2o3bo5b2o7bo20b3ob3o
$b2o6b2o15b2o5b2o5bobob3o2bo3bo2bo5bo$2o3bo4b7o10bo2bo2b2o4bo3bob2o6b
2o7b2o$b2obo13bo6bob3obo4b3o3bo2b2o3b3o2b2ob6o$2b3obo6b3obo6b2o3bob2ob
2ob2o2bo4bob7o3b2o$4bo3bo4b2o2b2o5bob3o4bo2bo3bo6bo3bob9o$5b2obo6bobo
2b3obo3bobobobo3bo7bo4b2o$14b2obo3b2obo8bob2ob2o7bo2bo$5b2obo6bobo2b3o
bo3bobobobo3bo7bo4b2o$4bo3bo4b2o2b2o5bob3o4bo2bo3bo6bo3bob9o$2b3obo6b
3obo6b2o3bob2ob2ob2o2bo4bob7o3b2o$b2obo13bo6bob3obo4b3o3bo2b2o3b3o2b2o
b8o$2o3bo4b7o10bo2bo2b2o4bo3bob2o6b2o7b2o$b2o6b2o15b2o5b2o5bobob3o2bo
3bo2bo5b8o$4bo3b2o3bo5b2o7bo20b3ob3o10b2o$4b2o3bob2o5b2ob2o30b2o11b8o$
5bo13b4o29bo17b2o$7bo12b2o48b8o$74b2o$74b8o$78b2o$78b8o$82b2o$82b8o$
86b2o$86b8o$90b2o$90b8o$94b2o$94b8o$98b2o$98b8o$102b2o$102b8o$106b2o$
106b8o$110b2o$110b8o$114b2o$114b8o$118b2o$118b8o$122b2o$122b8o$126b2o$
126b8o$130b2o$130b8o$134b2o$134b8o$138b2o$138b8o$142b2o$142b8o$146b2o$
146b6o$150b2o$150bo!

[Scorbie]

A BTS can hassle a queen bee with not bad clearance:

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x = 13, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$3bo$2bo$2b2o2b2o$5bobo$4obo$o2bo2bo$5bo4$6b2o3b2o$6bo5bo2$7bo3bo$
8b3o4$o2bob2o$4obo$5bobo$2b2o2b2o$2bo$3bo$2b2o!

[towerator]

2 "double PIs" colliding in a symmetrical way (fig 1) creates a large pattern (fig 2) made with 2 large on-offs that looks fairly difficult to synthetize the "normal way". By adding a few stabilisators (fig 3) you get a very big billard-table with few gliders (warning: uselessly big stabilisation alert), in a very elegant way. I am a few terameters away from saying I'm a pro in synthesis, but the reaction creates very little sparks in the zone for several generations, and therefore it looks doable.

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x = 85, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
72b2o$73bo$73bob2o$3b2o35bo33bo2bo$4b2o33bobo34bobo$3b2o33b2obo25bo7b
2obo$obo34bo2bob2o23b3o4bo2bob2o$3o5bo27bob2obo2bo25bo2bob2obo2bo$bo5b
3o25bobo2bob2o25bo2bobo2bob2obo$7bobo24b2obo2bobo26bob2obo2bobo2bo$5b
2o26bo2bob2obo28bo2bob2obo2bo$4b2o28b2obo2bo30b2obo2bo4b3o$5b2o29bob2o
33bob2o7bo$36bobo34bobo$37bo36bo2bo$75b2obo$78bo$78b2o!

[mniemiec]

2 "double PIs" colliding in a symmetrical way (fig 1) creates a large pattern (fig 2) made with 2 large on-offs that looks fairly difficult to synthetize the "normal way". By adding a few stabilisators (fig 3) you get a very big billard-table with few gliders (warning: uselessly big stabilisation alert), in a very elegant way. I am a few terameters away from saying I'm a pro in synthesis, but the reaction creates very little sparks in the zone for several generations, and therefore it looks doable.

The Semifore (synthesis: http://codercontest.com/mniemiec/lg/30pd2bc2.rle) is probably a good starting place. It shouldn't be too hard to add a second siamese one, with the two sharing one pond. From there, it shouldn't be too hard to peel the outer ponds (or perhaps loaves, if they are easier to work with) and wrap them around the beacons.

[gmc_nxtman]

60-cell c/3 spaceship (60P3H1V0)

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x = 16, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
4bo6bo$3bo3b2o3bo$4bo6bo$o2bo3b2o3bo2bo$b2ob3o2b3ob2o$2bob2o4b2obo$4bo
b4obo$4bo2b2o2bo$7b2o$3bob2o2b2obo$2bo10bo$3b3ob2ob3o$7b2o!

And some period 2 partial

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x = 24, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
4o6bo2bo6b4o$3bobobob2o2b2obobobo$2o5bobo4bobo5b2o$bob3ob2o6b2ob3obo$b
2ob2obo8bob2ob2o$2bobo14bobo$5bo12bo$3bo3b2o6b2o3bo$3bo6bo2bo6bo$4bo3b
ob4obo3bo$5b3o2b4o2b3o!

An unlikely-to-be-completed tagalong for two LWSS

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x = 22, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
bobo4b2o2b2o4bobo$b3o4bo4bo4b3o$2o6b2o2b2o6b2o$b2o2bob2o4b2obo2b2o$o4b
3o6b3o4bo$o2bo2bo8bo2bo2bo$b3o14b3o2$6bobo4bobo$5bo10bo$5bo10bo$5bo2bo
4bo2bo$5b3o6b3o!

[towerator]

The Semifore (synthesis: http://codercontest.com/mniemiec/lg/30pd2bc2.rle) is probably a good starting place. It shouldn't be too hard to add a second siamese one, with the two sharing one pond. From there, it shouldn't be too hard to peel the outer ponds (or perhaps loaves, if they are easier to work with) and wrap them around the beacons.

Hmm... do you mean my strategy wouldn't work? (As I said, I'm a dummy in term of synthesis, so I can't tell)

[The Turtle]

60-cell c/3 spaceship (60P3H1V0)

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x = 16, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
4bo6bo$3bo3b2o3bo$4bo6bo$o2bo3b2o3bo2bo$b2ob3o2b3ob2o$2bob2o4b2obo$4bo
b4obo$4bo2b2o2bo$7b2o$3bob2o2b2obo$2bo10bo$3b3ob2ob3o$7b2o!

Reminds me the Turtle...

[gmc_nxtman]

By semifore you mean this one, right?

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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
bo3bo$obobobo$b2obo2bo$5b2o$b2o$o2bob2o$bobobobo$2bo3bo!

[mniemiec]

By semifore you mean this one, right?

Not quite. The end stabilizers should be beacons. I think the name comes from the fact that the rotor bits flip back and forth between the beacons and the space between the four objects. It was mentioned in Lifeline #3, but it isn't in the wiki or the glossary. It works the same whether the side still-lifes are ponds or loaves. The second image is two siamese ones that might be a viable predecessor.

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x = 30, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$20b2o4b2o$22b2obo2bo$22b2obo2bo$2o14b2o8b2o$2o4b2o8b2o4b2o$2b2ob
o2bo9b2obo2bob2o$2b2obo2bo9b2obo2bob2o$6b2o14b2o4b2o$2b2o14b2o8b2o$bo
2bob2o9bo2bob2o$bo2bob2o9bo2bob2o$2b2o4b2o8b2o4b2o$8b2o14b2o!

[towerator]

Not quite. The end stabilizers should be beacons. I think the name comes from the fact that the rotor bits flip back and forth between the beacons and the space between the four objects. It was mentioned in Lifeline #3, but it isn't in the wiki or the glossary. It works the same whether the side still-lifes are ponds or loaves. The second image is two siamese ones that might be a viable predecessor.

I'm confused, the evolution line I posted was actually to give a possible predecessor of the one I posted, to prevent the need of all these steps. Did we misunderstand each other?

[gmc_nxtman]

A very simple predecessor of a weird p3:

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x = 38, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
13bo10bo$13bo10bo$13bo10bo2$12b2o10b2o$11bo2bo8bo2bo$11bo2bo8bo2bo$11b
o2bo8bo2bo$12b2o10b2o3$5b3o22b3o$4bo3bo20bo3bo$3obo3bo20bo3bob3o$5b3o
22b3o9$5b3o22b3o$3obo3bo20bo3bob3o$4bo3bo20bo3bo$5b3o22b3o3$12b2o10b2o
$11bo2bo8bo2bo$11bo2bo8bo2bo$11bo2bo8bo2bo$12b2o10b2o2$13bo10bo$13bo
10bo$13bo10bo!

Useless predecessor of a p4:

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x = 16, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
b2o10b2o$o3bo6bo3bo$b2o10b2o$2bobobo2bobobo$3bo3b2o3bo$5b2o2b2o$5bo4bo
!

[mniemiec]

I'm confused, the evolution line I posted was actually to give a possible predecessor of the one I posted, to prevent the need of all these steps. Did we misunderstand each other?

What you posted was a "natural" predecessor that evolves into the oscillator, but may not be easy to synthesize. My idea is something that is definitely synthesizable (one sided), and possibly synthesizable (two sided), with a possible method for how to convert it into the same oscillator, using artificial means.

A very simple predecessor of a weird p3:

Nice! I would call this "four pulsar quadrants framing four candelabras". The pieces are definitely synthesizable, but I'm not sure they could all be easily brought together at once. I'll look into it.

Furthermore, generation 31 of this (if you remove the debris clouds in the corners) looks almost identical to one of the steps in the evolution period-6 oscillator you recently posted in the Soup Results thread. This could be transformed into it by removing two empty rows and two empty columns from the middle, and putting a block in the middle. Unfortunately, the corners interact with each other at generation 26, so this doesn't work. However, if another predecessor to the corner pieces could be found, perhaps two of these could be combined with two of those to make the period-6 work.

Useless predecessor of a p4:

This can currently be synthesized with 16 gliders. I doubt that trying to form this predecessor would be any cheaper.

[gmc_nxtman]

Absolutely useless way to make a figure 8:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
11bo$9b3o$8bo$8b2o$14b2o$14bo$5b3o4bobo$4bo3bo3b2o$3bo5bo$3bo5bo$3bo5b
o$4bo3bo$bo3b3o$obo$bobo$2bo!

Flip a boat:

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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
bo$b3o$2bo4$bo$7bo$3o3bobo$7b2o!

[towerator]

What you posted was a "natural" predecessor that evolves into the oscillator, but may not be easy to synthesize. My idea is something that is definitely synthesizable (one sided), and possibly synthesizable (two sided), with a possible method for how to convert it into the same oscillator, using artificial means.

I got it, you are trying to equal the "brute force synthesis" using known technology.