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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: June 30th, 2025, 8:06 am
by SharkNose
PK22,

Thanks for the suggestions and link. I added the [catagolue] tag to my original post. I also thought I had another notable find last night with xs26_06996z0bq1d96z321. There seems to be only 5 other C1 discoveries and a C2_4.

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x = 7, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$4bobo$4bo$b2ob2o$obo$o3b2o$b3obo2$3b2o$2bo2bo$2bo2bo$3b2o!

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
boobbbbboooobbbo$
obobobbbbbbobbbo$
oboobooobbbboooo$
ooobbbbobboobooo$
obbooobooboooobb$
oobboooobbbobboo$
obobobboobobooob$
bbbooooboboooobo$
obbbbbboobbbbbob$
oooooobbbbbbboob$
oobooobboboobbbo$
obooobbobooobobo$
obbobboobboobboo$
bboobbbbbooobooo$
bbobbobbboobobob$
bboobobbobobbbbo!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 1st, 2025, 8:38 am
by Jormungant
just some random p96 oscillator:

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x = 32, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
2.2B6.2A5.2A6.2B$2.BAB5.A7.A5.BAB$5B6.3A.3A6.5B$BAB3A7.A.A7.3ABAB$.2B
2A.A6.BAB6.A.2A2B$3.A.2A2B2.2B3A2B2.2B2A.A$4.3ABAB.BA3BAB.BAB3A$5.5BA
BA3BABA5B$5.BAB2.BA5BAB2.BAB$6.2B.A4BA4BA.2B$8.A4BABA4BA$9.5BA5B$7.A
2B.A5BA.2BA$6.A.2A.BA3BAB.2A.A$6.A4.BA3BAB4.A$5.2A4.2B3A2B4.2A$11.7B$
12.5B$11.2A3B2A5.2A$11.3BA3B4.B2AB$11.A5BA5.2B$13.3B6.2B$13.ABA4.5B$
13.BA.B2.7B$15.11B$12.2A13B$12.2A14B$14.15B$15.14B$17.12B$18.10B$19.
9B$19.9B$19.9B$19.2B2A3B.B2A$17.3BA2BA2B.BA.A$16.2A3BABAB5.A$15.A.AB.
2BA4B3.2A$15.A.2B6.2A$13.A.2AB7.A$12.A.A2.B8.3A$12.A2.2A11.A$13.A.A$
12.2A2.A$15.2A!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 1st, 2025, 11:15 am
by Resu
Waveguides can be combined to create interacting waveguides:

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x = 109, y = 48, rule = B3/S23
b2o$o2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$o2bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
$b3o$2b2o$2b2o$3bo$3bo$3bo$3bo$3bo$3bo$3bo$2b2o$2b2o$b3o$o2bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o$4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$o2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$b2o3$bo$b6o$bo
3b3o$bo4bobo3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b
2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$o6b2o2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2b
obo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo$o2bo3b2o3b
o4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo$8bo$8bo$8b
o$5bo2bo$7b2o$6b3o$6b3o$6b3o$7b2o$5bo2bo$8bo$8bo$8bo$o2bo3b2o3bo4bo4b
o4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo$o6b2o2bobo2bobo2b
obo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2b
obo2bobo2bobo2bobo$bo4bobo3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o
3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$bo3b3o$b6o$bo!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 4th, 2025, 11:11 pm
by eRroR_6o6
I don't know if this goes in accidental discoveries, since I discovered it by accident, or unsure discoveries, but I think it goes here, because I'm not sure about whether it's new or not.

P7 dependent beacon hassler/beacon-supported P7:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$12bobo$12bo$5b2o3b3o$6bo2bo3b2o$3bo5bob2o2bo$3b2o8b2o$9b4o$12bo$
4b2obo2b2o$3bo3bobo$3bobobobo$b3obob2o$o3bobo$2o2bobo$5bo!
(minpop 54, volatility 0.53)

I personally think that this is related to 44P7.2 in some way, because they share multiple things in common, but I could be wrong.

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 13th, 2025, 8:41 am
by Jormungant
the 3-glider mwss recipe actually allows a toggle switch operation by negating one of the 3 gliders:

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x = 185, y = 134, rule = LifeHistory
14$100.2A$98.2B2AB$20.2A72.2A2.4B11.2B$18.2B2AB40.A2.2A25.3B2.6B5.2B
2.3B3.A$14.2B2.4B11.2B28.4A.A24.A3BA.5B5.8B.A.A$13.3A2.6B5.2B2.3B3.A
28.A23.A4BA7B2.11B.A$13.3BAB.5B5.8B.A.A20.7A.2A20.A.ABAB2.3A3B2.7BA3B
$12.A3BA3BA2B2A2.11B.A20.A2.B3.A.A2.A16.BABA.A4.2BA3B2.7BA3B$11.A.A2B
A2.B5A2.11B22.2A2.BA.2B2.2A15.A4BA5.2B.B2.9BA2B5.A2BA4B$9.A2BA.A4.2B
3AB2.7B2A2B25.2B2A2B19.A3BA5.BA2B2.15B2.A4BA4B$8.BA3BA5.2B.B2.9B2AB5.
2BA5B14.2BABA21.3B5.A.A4.4BAB2A3B3AB.A5BA3B$8.BA3B5.BA2B2.15B2.B2ABA
5B14.BAB22.2A7.A7.BA2BA6BA.4B2AB2A3B$10.3A5.A.A4.4BA10B.BA3BA4B6.2A5.
2BABA37.2BA5BA2B2.2BA7BA3B$10.2B7.A7.BABA8B.A5BA5B4.A2.A3.2BA3B37.8BA
2B3.BA.AB3AB.AB$26.2BABA6B2.BA5BA2BA3B.2B.A.A3.3B3A2B32.2B.8BA2B5.2AB
AB3A$26.2BABA6B3.AB.5BA.AB2.B2A.A3.9B31.BAB2.8B$23.2B.2B3A6B5.4A2B2A
4.B3A5.7B32.ABA7B.2B7.2ABAB3A$22.3B2.8B20.2AB3.10B30.A3BAB2.4B7.BA.AB
3AB.AB$22.B2A7B.2B7.4A2B2A8.3BA10B28.A.2BAB4.4B5.2BA7BA3B$21.AB2A2B2.
4B7.AB.5BA.AB6.2BABA10B25.BA2B.A7.4B5.4B2AB2A3B$20.A.4B4.4B5.BA5BA2BA
3B6.BABA10BA23.BA3BA9.4B5.A5BA3B$18.4B.A7.4B5.A5BA5B9.A7B2.3BA22.2BAB
A11.3BD4.A4BA4B$17.2B2ABA9.4B5.BA3BA4B9.7B5.3AB23.BAB12.3BD4.A2BA4B$
17.2B2AB11.4B4.B2ABA5B9.9B4.4B22.2B14.3DB$19.3B12.4B4.2BA5B9.4B4.2A5.
4B38.4B$19.2B14.4B19.4B5.A7.4B38.3BA7.2A$36.4B10.A6.4B7.3A5.4B38.ABAB
7.A$37.4B7.3A5.4B10.A6.4B38.2A2B6.A.AB$38.4B5.A7.4B19.4B38.4B6.A.AB.B
$39.4B4.2A5.4B21.4B38.4B6.A3B2A$40.3BA5B4.4B23.4B38.4B4.3B.B2A$40.4BA
2B5.4B25.4B38.4B3.2B3.B$41.B3A4B2.4B27.4B38.4B.4B$39.15B29.4B38.4B.4B
.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$38.15B31.4B38.4B.
54B$38.14B33.4B38.18B5A27B5A3B$35.2AB3.10B35.4B37.17BA4BA26BA4BA3B$
34.B3A5.4BA2B37.4B38.20BA31BA3B$34.B2A.A3.4BABA2B37.4B36.16BA3BA27BA
3BA4B$34.2B.A.A3.3BABA2B38.4B34.4B3.B.5B.B.B.A.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.
B.B.B.B.A.B.B.B$36.A2.A3.4BAB41.4B32.4B7.4B$37.2A5.5B42.4B30.4B9.4B$
45.3B44.4B28.4B11.4B$44.5B44.4B26.4B13.B3D14.AB$43.B2AB2A45.4B24.2A2B
3.8B4.D2BA12.B2A$40.2A2.2A.AB2.2A42.4B22.ABAB3.5B2A3B4.D2AB11.2ABAB$
40.A2.B3.A.A2.A43.4B20.3BA4.4BA2BA2B5.ABAB9.A2B3A$41.7A.2A46.4B18.4B
4.8B2A2B5.4B7.A.ABAB$48.A49.4B16.4B4.3BA5B3A2B5.4B4.BABA.A$43.4A.A50.
4B14.4B6.BA.A3BAB.AB7.4B2.3A2BA$43.A2.2A52.4B12.4B9.2A3B3A7.2B.6BAB2A
$101.4B10.4B25.8B2.2AB$102.4B8.4B11.2A3B3A5.11B.BA$103.4B6.4B10.BA.A
3BAB.AB3.11B$104.4B4.4B10.3BA5B3A2B2.7B2A2B$105.10B12.8B2A2B.9B2AB7.A
7.2B$105.9B14.4BA2BA2B.15B4.A.A5.3B$104.9B15.5B2A3B2.5BA9B2.2BAB5.3A
2B$105.7B17.8B5.B2A9B2.B.2B5.B3A2B$107.6B28.2B2A7B2.2BA3B4.B.3AB$106.
2A6B27.2B2A7B2.BABA2B2.B3A.B$105.ABAB2.4B24.A.3B2A6B2.BA2BA4B3AB$104.
3BA4.4B22.A.A.8B5.2AB2A.2B3A$103.4B6.4B22.A3.3B2.2B5.BA2BAB2.3B$102.
4B8.4B26.2B11.2BAB2.2B$101.4B10.4B37.A2BAB$100.4B12.4B37.2A$99.4B14.
4B$98.4B16.4B$97.4B18.4B$96.4B20.4B$95.4B22.4B$94.4B24.4B$93.4B26.4B$
92.4B28.4B$91.4B30.4B$90.2A2B32.4B$89.ABAB34.4B$88.3BA36.4B$87.4B38.
4B$86.4B40.4B$85.4B42.4B$84.4B44.4B$83.4B46.4B$82.4B48.4B$81.4B50.4B$
80.4B52.4B$63.2A14.3DB54.4B$63.3B12.3BD4.8B44.4B$61.A3BA11.3BD4.3B2A
5B44.4B$61.A4BA9.4B5.B2ABA5B45.4B$62.BABA.A7.4B5.BA2BA7B45.4B$64.A.AB
AB4.2A2B5.2BA2BA4BA3B45.4B$65.A4BA2.ABAB7.BA.BA3BA.AB47.4B$66.A3BA4BA
.2B7.3A3B2A50.4B$66.3B2.8B66.4B$67.2A.11B5.3A3B2A52.4B$70.11B3.BA.BA
3BA.AB51.4B$70.11B2.2BA2BA4BA3B51.4B$54.2B7.A7.2BA9B.BA2BA7B53.4B$54.
BAB5.A.A4.3B3A9B.B2ABA5B55.4B$52.2BABA5.BA2B2.3B2AB2A7B2.3B2A5B56.4B$
52.BA3BA5.2B.B2.3B3A3B2AB5.8B58.4B$53.BA2B.A4.3BA2B2.2BA4B2A2B71.4B$
55.A.2BAB2.2BABAB2.11B72.4B$56.A3BA2B2A2B2A2.11B.A71.4B$57.ABA2B.2AB
2A5.8B.A.A71.4B$57.BAB2.2AB3A5.2B2.3B3.A73.4B$58.2B2.3AB11.2B79.4B$
62.BABAB92.4B$64.2A94.4B$161.4B$162.4B$163.4B$164.4B$165.4B$166.4B$
167.4B$168.4B$169.4B!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 16th, 2025, 1:32 am
by Resu
Smaller diagonal waveguide?

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x = 38, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
36b2o$35bobo$34bo$33bo$32bo$31bo$30bo$29bo$28bo$27bo$26bo$25bo9b2o$24b
o9bobo$23bo9bo$22bo9bo$21bo9bo$20bo9bo$19bo9bo$18bo9bo$17bo9bo$16bo9b
o$15bo9bo$14bo9bo$13bo9bo$12bo9bo$11bo9bo$10bo9bo$9bo9bo$8bo9bo$7bo9b
o$6bo9bo$5bo9bo$4bo9bo$3bo9bo$2bo9bo$bo9bo$o9bo$o8bo$o7bo$o6bo$o5bo$o
4bo$o3bo$o2bo$obo$bo!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 17th, 2025, 4:21 am
by gangdol
wick(fuse) working on double stream of blinkers

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x = 129, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$3b2o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$o2b2o3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$2o$4bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$4bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo$4bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
#C [[ GPS 30 WIDTH 1400 HEIGHT 320 ZOOM 3 AUTOSTART LOOP 200 ]]


Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 18th, 2025, 11:08 am
by gangdol
barberpole catalyses a toad (at least a pentapole):

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#C [[ COLOR DEAD 0 0 0 COLOR BACKGROUND 0 0 0 GPS 2.5 WIDTH 937 HEIGHT 600 ]]
x = 18, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
16.2C$15.ADC$14.B.B$13.A.A$12.B.B$5.DC2A2.A.A$5.2CA3B.2B$8.BA.A2B$8.B
.B.2BA$7.A.A3.2A$6.B.B4.2A$5.A.AB4.A$4.B.3BA$3.A.A2.2A$2.B.B3.2C$.A.A
4.CD$CDB$2C!

different orientation yields the same result, while different position might yield a completely different result.

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 23rd, 2025, 5:19 am
by rabbit
I came upon a small D2_x symmetric Coolout Conjecture counterexample while attempting a weld:

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x = 66, y = 10, rule = LifeHistory
7.A19.C11.C11.C11.C$6.A.A17.C.C9.C.C9.C.C9.C.C$6.A.A17.C.C9.C.C9.C.C
9.C.C$5.2A.2A15.2C.2C7.2C.2C7.2C.2C7.2C.2C$4.A19.C.2D8.C.2D8.C11.C$3.
A2.A16.C2.C8.C2.C8.C2.C3A5.C2.C3A$.3A.2A14.3CD2C6.3C.2C6.3CD2C2.A3.3C
.CE2.A$A19.C3.D7.C4.A6.C3.D7.C4.A$.3A17.3C9.3C.A7.3C9.3C.A$3.A19.C11.
C.2A8.C11.C.2A!
I know there are several counterexamples known already, but I feel like this particular one behaves in a very nice and simple way.

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 23rd, 2025, 3:15 pm
by WhiteHawk
Resu wrote: July 23rd, 2025, 10:09 am
Zhako wrote: July 23rd, 2025, 7:50 am Mango appears on generation 4585 and dissapears on generation 8391
I also caught the predecessor of the mango on generation 4584
Also 2 toads.
See Mango.



"Mango is the twelfth most common still life on Adam P. Goucher's Catagolue, being less common than half-bakery but more common than eater 1. Among all still lifes with 8 cells, it is the second most common, being less common than pond but more common than long barge.[8] It is also the sixteenth most common object overall on Catagolue."

The fact that a mango appears during the evolution of a long-lasting methusaleh (not sure what the one you mention is, though) is not particularly unusual and likely doesn't deserve it's own thread unless it truly produced something unusual, like a very rare still-life or oscillator or pointed the way to a simpler synthesis of either the SL/Oscillator itself or a spaceship/larger oscillator/larger still life (both Toad and Mango are synthesizable in 3g, and since all 71 distinct 2g syntheses are tabulated these are minimal)

EDIT:
Resu wrote: July 23rd, 2025, 3:33 pm I knew that, I was just pointing out other 'rare' objects.
My bad, thought both messages were by the same person

EDIT 2:
hotdogPi wrote: July 23rd, 2025, 3:36 pm Toads are not rare.
Could you please merge that thread with this one?

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 23rd, 2025, 3:33 pm
by Resu
WhiteHawk wrote: July 23rd, 2025, 3:15 pm The fact that a mango and multiple toads appear (& seemingly get destroyed) during the evolution of a long-lasting methusaleh (not sure what the one you mention is, though) is not particularly unusual and likely doesn't deserve it's own thread unless it truly produced something unusual, like a very rare still-life or oscillator or pointed the way to a simpler synthesis of either the SL/Oscillator itself or a spaceship/larger oscillator/larger still life (both Toad and Mango are synthesizable in 3g, and since all 71 distinct 2g syntheses are tabulated these are minimal)
I knew that, I was just pointing out other 'rare' objects.
Also, there's a actieve region in it which creates a glider and rapidly destroys it:

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x = 7, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
5B2A$5B2A$3A4B$ABA4B$ABA4B$7B$2BA4B$2ABA3B$3BA3B!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 23rd, 2025, 3:36 pm
by hotdogPi
Toads are not rare.

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: July 23rd, 2025, 10:18 pm
by tommyaweosme
EvinZL wrote: May 13th, 2025, 5:31 pm Anyways, we can show that any glider-constructible pattern has a polyomino predecessor. Proof sketch: Note the following polyominoes lead to a block and glider:

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x = 45, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
o$o2bo$4o$2b2o$2b4o$4b2o$5b2o$5b4o$7b2o$8b2o31b3o$8b2o29b5o$9b2o28b2o
2b2o$9b2o27b2o3b2o$10b2o2b2o20b4o$10b6o14bo3b4o$12b3o14b3o2b2o$13b2o
14bob4o$13b4o11b2o3b2o$15b2o11b2o!
By using the dense overpopulation connectors shown, we can connect a block-predecessor with many glider-predecessors as long as they are sufficiently well-separated. Thus we can produce any monophase slow salvo, which are known to be universal.

As a corollary, we can make a polyomino predecessor for e.g. Patterns/HashLife/Eventful/ruler.mc (with the p24 glider guns replaced by the century hassler version), which provably does not stabilize according to the proposed definition in A383874.
✩i made a standardized version✩

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x = 110, y = 81, rule = LifeHistory
35.2A5.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A$35.2A3.22A$36.A.23A$36.3A2.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A
.3A$37.A20.3A$34.D24.3A$33.D24.3A$33.3D23.3A$58.3A$59.3A$58.3A$59.3A$
58.3A$59.3A$58.3A$59.3A$58.3A$59.3A$58.3A$59.3A$58.3A$59.3A$58.3A$36.
3D20.3A$36.D21.3A$37.D21.3A$40.A17.3A$39.3A2.2A.A.A.A.A.A.A.3A$39.A.20A
$38.2A3.19A$38.2A6.A.A.A.A.A.A.A19$48.3A16.3A$49.3A14.3A$48.3A16.3A$3D
46.3A14.3A$D47.3A16.3A$.D37.A.A.A.A.A.3A4.A.A.A.A.A.3A$4.A34.12A5.14A
15.3A11.3A$3.3A2.2A.A.A.A23.13A4.13A17.3A9.3A$3.A.12A23.A.A.A.A.A8.A.
A.A.A.A19.3A11.3A$2.2A3.10A69.3A9.3A$2.2A6.A.A.A.A68.3A11.3A$76.A.A.A
.A.A.3A.A.A.A.A.4A.A.A.A.A$76.34A$76.34A$77.A.A.A.A.3A.A.A.A.A.4A.A.A
.A.A$86.3A10.3A$3D44.3A16.3A16.3A10.3A$D47.3A14.3A18.3A10.3A$.D45.3A16.
3A16.3A10.3A$4.A43.3A14.3A18.3A10.3A$3.3A2.A.A.A.A.A30.3A16.3A16.3A10.
3A$3.A.13A20.A.A.A.A.A.3A4.A.A.A.A.A.3A18.3A10.3A$2.2A3.11A20.12A5.14A
$2.2A5.A.A.A.A.A20.13A4.13A$39.A.A.A.A.3A6.A.A.A.A.4A$48.3A15.3A$47.3A
15.3A$48.3A15.3A$47.3A15.3A$48.3A15.3A$47.3A15.3A$48.3A15.3A!
✩210-cell polyomino that makes beehive✩

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x = 27, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
2o5bobobobobobobobobo$2o3b22o$bob23o$b3o2bobobobobobobobobob3o$2bo20b
3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$
23b3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$23b3o$24b3o$5bo17b3o$
4b3o2b2obobobobobobob3o$4bob20o$3b2o3b19o$3b2o6bobobobobobobo!
✎yes, i know that there is a 6-cell version that is much easier, but this is standardized✎

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 2nd, 2025, 2:47 pm
by Resu
Beehive shift using blocks, surely known:

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x = 3, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2o$b2o2$bo$obo$obo$bo2$b2o$b2o!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 2nd, 2025, 4:27 pm
by PK22
Resu wrote: August 2nd, 2025, 2:47 pm Beehive shift using blocks, surely known:

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x = 3, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2o$b2o2$bo$obo$obo$bo2$b2o$b2o!
If we have methods to remove the old blocks and insert new ones that can be repeated every 3 cells, we might be able to make a spaceship that pulls this along.
It will probably be easiest with slower rakes - are any p30 fireship-based rakes known?

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 3rd, 2025, 5:17 am
by Resu
Sparking 2 Pi-heptomino creates 2 Pi-heptomino but shifted, along with 2 beehives:

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x = 13, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
A11.A2$.2A.2A.2A.2A$2.A.A3.A.A$3.A5.A2$.2D.2D.2D.2D$2.D.D3.D.D$3.D5.D
!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 3rd, 2025, 8:44 am
by Tawal
Resu wrote: August 3rd, 2025, 5:17 am Sparking 2 Pi-heptomino creates 2 Pi-heptomino but shifted, along with 2 beehives:

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x = 13, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
A11.A2$.2A.2A.2A.2A$2.A.A3.A.A$3.A5.A2$.2D.2D.2D.2D$2.D.D3.D.D$3.D5.D
!

This could be repeated, leading a new Pi-forward dot sparking (+4 cells/9 ticks):

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x = 13, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
A11.A2$.2A.2A.2A.2A$2.A.A3.A.A$D2.A5.A2.D4$D11.D4$D11.D4$D11.D4$D11.D
4$D11.D4$D11.D!
#C [[ Z 6 PASTET EVERY 9 PASTEDELTA 0 4 PASTE o11bo! 0 0 ]] 
Edit: I forgot to post my unsure discovery :D
H + LWSS = FNG + H 90° turned

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x = 42, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
21.17BEB.E$20.17BE2B$13.4B3.17BE3BE$12.7B.17B4E$12.8B2.19B$13.12B$12.
13B$10.15B$8.18B$8.2BE15B$7.3BEBE4B.8B$8.2B3E4B2.6B$7.5BE4B3.6B$6.10B
4.5B$5.4B10.6B$4.4B11.6B$3.4B13.5B$2.4B14.3D2B$.BD2B16.BDB$2D2B17.3D$
.2D19.B!
May be interesting for rakes or helix …

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 4th, 2025, 7:57 pm
by Mr. T
This octomino? I use in c/10 often:

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x = 37, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
31b2o$30b4o2$10b2o17b6o$8b2o2b2o16b4o$10b2o$7bo6bo14b2o2b2o$8bo4bo13b
2obo2bob2o$10b2o18bo2bo$7b3o2b3o$7b2o4b2o$31b2o$31b2o$10b2o$9bo2bo15bo
bo2bobo$27bo2bo2bo2bo$8bo4bo13bo8bo$7b2o4b2o12bo8bo$6bo2bo2bo2bo11b2o
6b2o$6b2ob4ob2o13b6o$b3o4bo4bo8b3o$o20bo$o2bo17bo2bo$b2o19b2o!
Is this pattern familiar? At the end you get a Spark Coil with a little debris.

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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$5bo2bo$8bo$5b3o3$b3o$o$o2bo$b2o!


Edit!

Mr. T, you should keep your eyes skinned! There is a double Pi reaction in this pattern!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 5th, 2025, 8:28 am
by Resu
Regenerative loop glider eater?

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x = 15, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o6b2o$bo7bobob2o$11bob2o$11bo$8b2obo$9bobobo$9bo2b2o$7bobo$7b2o
3$7b2o$7b2o!
Eating 3 gliders:

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x = 20, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4bo$5bo$3b3o3$obo$b2o6b2o$bo7bobob2o$11bob2o$11bo$8b2obo$9bobobo$9bo2b
2o$7bobo$7b2o2$17b3o$7b2o8bo$7b2o9bo!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 5th, 2025, 10:33 am
by Tawal
Resu wrote: August 5th, 2025, 8:28 am Regenerative loop glider eater?

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snip
Eating 3 gliders:

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x = 20, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4bo$5bo$3b3o3$obo$b2o6b2o$bo7bobob2o$11bob2o$11bo$8b2obo$9bobobo$9bo2b
2o$7bobo$7b2o2$17b3o$7b2o8bo$7b2o9bo!
Four with a SW incoming and timed Glider hitting the dot spark :

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x = 25, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
9.A$10.A$8.3A3$5.A.A$6.2A6.2A$6.A7.A.A.2A$16.A.2A$16.A$13.2A.A$14.A.A
.A$14.A2.2A$12.A.A$12.2A2$22.3A$10.D.2A8.A$12.2A9.A6$.A$.2A$A.A!
#C [[ STOP 25 ]]
Surely some other lane/orientation/timing will work, I didn't check.

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 5th, 2025, 1:16 pm
by Resu
Resu wrote: August 5th, 2025, 8:28 am Regenerative loop glider eater?

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x = 15, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o6b2o$bo7bobob2o$11bob2o$11bo$8b2obo$9bobobo$9bo2b2o$7bobo$7b2o
3$7b2o$7b2o!
Reduced a bit, but now it can only eat 2 gliders.

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x = 15, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o6b2o$bo7bobo$11bo$11bob2o$8b2obobo$9bobobo$9bo2bo$7bobo$7b2o3$
7b2o$7b2o!
Edit: Opps, it was just the sparking eater (it can still eat more gliders form different directions, though):

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x = 45, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2bo28bo$obo29b2o$b2o28b2o5$39b2o2b2o$10b2o2b2o20bo3bo2b2o$7bo3bo2b2o16b
2o2b4o$3b2o2b4o12b2o7bo$3bo19bobo7b5o$4b5o14bo14bo$9bo23b2o2b2o$6b3o24b
2o$6bo!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 10th, 2025, 4:50 pm
by PK22
HF + 2 blocks leads to land of lakes (as well as seven ship ties):

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x = 46, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory
44.2A$44.2A4$25.3A$24.A3.A$23.A5.A$24.A3.A$25.3A6$28.2A$28.2A34$8.2D$
7.D2.D$7.D2.D$8.2D.2D$10.D2.D$10.D2.D$11.2D$.2D$D2.D$D2.D$.2D.2D$3.D
2.D$3.D2.D$4.2D!
This might be the most common way for land of lakes to form naturally, although I do not have any data on how common the less familiar fours are.

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 11th, 2025, 9:21 pm
by EvinZL
PK22 wrote: August 10th, 2025, 4:50 pm HF + 2 blocks leads to land of lakes (as well as seven ship ties):

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x = 46, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory
44.2A$44.2A4$25.3A$24.A3.A$23.A5.A$24.A3.A$25.3A6$28.2A$28.2A34$8.2D$
7.D2.D$7.D2.D$8.2D.2D$10.D2.D$10.D2.D$11.2D$.2D$D2.D$D2.D$.2D.2D$3.D
2.D$3.D2.D$4.2D!
This might be the most common way for land of lakes to form naturally, although I do not have any data on how common the less familiar fours are.
Well if true, this would mean that land of lakes is an index fossil....
Note that at generation 9504 the posted pattern converges to a small, symmetric land of lakes predecessor. Now then there are two reasonable ways to form a land of lakes:
  • Through this predecessor forming randomly without going through your posted pattern
  • Your posted pattern producing the predecessor
Now the problem with the second option is that your posted pattern takes over 9000 generations an a ridiculous amount of space until forming it. Together with the pattern of activity this means that in a random soup the HF+2 blocks collision will not form a land of lakes unless it is the only pattern around. Meanwhile, a small predecessor arising randomly is likely to form a complete land of lakes regardless of its surroundings. I couldn't find precise data on the frequency but I would guess that very few land of lakes form this way compared to the total.

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 12th, 2025, 1:46 pm
by I6_I6
H-to-B with terrible clearance. I'm not entirely sure whether this is known or useful.

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x = 15, y = 17, rule = LifeSuper
3.B$.5B8.A$6B6.3A$2B3C2B4.A$2BC4B4.2A$B3C4B.4B$11B$12B.B$13B2A$.10B.B
2A$4.7B2.B$3.7B$2.8B$3.D2B2D2B2A$4.3D3BA.A$4.BD2B4.A$12.2A!

Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Posted: August 13th, 2025, 1:35 am
by Resu
Traffic light push?

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x = 27, y = 95, rule = LifeHistory
22.A$21.A$21.3A10$16.A$15.A$15.3A10$10.A$9.A$9.3A10$4.A$3.A$3.3A4$2.C
$.3C$2C.2C$.3C$2.C10$6.3A$6.A$7.A10$12.3A$12.A$13.A10$18.3A$18.A$19.A
10$24.3A$24.A$25.A!