Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 3:07 am
Going to read the transcripts later.
Should we have other particles?
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Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 3:07 am
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 3:15 am
Maybe, if we can figure out what they would do.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 3:24 am
What kind of meanings would they have? The Wikipedia page on particles has a whole part on Turkish particles. It says they have no meaning on their own, but to me it doesn't seem like that. Maybe we could use some meanings from those?
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 3:34 am
If you can think of anything, then go ahead. Also, there's a list of example sentences here which tests a lot of grammatical features. We should try to translate those.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 3:37 am
I noticed that a lot of those sentences use adverbs. We should try and make them. We already have converb adverbs, but we also need a way to make them from adjectives.fluffykitty wrote: December 2nd, 2020, 3:34 am If you can think of anything, then go ahead. Also, there's a list of example sentences here which tests a lot of grammatical features. We should try to translate those.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 4:23 am
Yep. Does <-amo> sound good?
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 4:25 am
Yes, though do we even have any adjectives yet?
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 4:29 am
...uh...how about <zlink> "gooey"?
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 4:37 am
Ok.
<kafma> <slow>
<lesni> <fast>
<bylk> <big>
<tysef> <small>
<zlinkamo> <gooeyly>
Is <gooeyly> even a word?
How did we not even think of adjectives until now?
Edit: I don't think <bylk> works, so if it doesn't then it is <bysk>.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 4:52 am
<rank> - good
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 4:54 am
Ok then edible is also <rank>.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 4:54 am
Why do they share a word?
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 4:57 am
fluffykitty wrote: November 15th, 2020, 6:15 am If we're moving on to syntax and stuff, here's some things I think we should do:
- Make the word for "good" the same as the word for "edible" (and maybe have more food metaphors while we're at it)
- SOV word order
- Split case marking across determiner and noun (like in German)
- Use auxiliary verbs
- Allow omission of subject pronouns by marking person and number on verbs
- Sandhi with grammatical affixes
- Affixes for deriving agent nouns and similar from verbs (eg English "-er", "-ee", but for more arguments like "receiver", "tool", "source", etc)
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 5:01 am
Why js it so though?Schiaparelliorbust wrote: December 2nd, 2020, 4:57 amfluffykitty wrote: November 15th, 2020, 6:15 am If we're moving on to syntax and stuff, here's some things I think we should do:
- Make the word for "good" the same as the word for "edible" (and maybe have more food metaphors while we're at it)
- SOV word order
- Split case marking across determiner and noun (like in German)
- Use auxiliary verbs
- Allow omission of subject pronouns by marking person and number on verbs
- Sandhi with grammatical affixes
- Affixes for deriving agent nouns and similar from verbs (eg English "-er", "-ee", but for more arguments like "receiver", "tool", "source", etc)
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 2nd, 2020, 5:03 am
I have absolutely no idea.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:08 am
It's funnier that way.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:11 am
Fine then. I think we should have two different words for lose. One for "lost my keys" and the other for "lose a war". All English, Turkish, and French have a single word for both meanings, and I don't really know why.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:17 am
<hyx> -lose (as in a chess game).Schiaparelliorbust wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 2:11 amFine then. I think we should have two different words for lose. One for "lost my keys" and the other for "lose a war". All English, Turkish, and French have a single word for both meanings, and I don't really know why.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:25 am
I'm having trouble pronouncing this mainly because I cannot properly pronounce <h> (/ç/). Can you pronounce it? I'm trying to pronounce it by saying /j/ and then pronouncing something like /ʃ/.
Edit: Infinitive is -(m)ai so "to lose" is <hyxai>.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:26 am
I learned it by doing /hj/.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:29 am
That kind of sounds different from /ç/. There's still an audible /j/ at the end too.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:39 am
I can't reliably pronounce it - maybe a Goodlanguage native speaker can :))Schiaparelliorbust wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 2:25 amI'm having trouble pronouncing this mainly because I cannot properly pronounce <h> (/ç/). Can you pronounce it? I'm trying to pronounce it by saying /j/ and then pronouncing something like /ʃ/.
Edit: Infinitive is -(m)ai so "to lose" is <hyxai>.
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:42 am
Is that what we're calling it now? Also, do you have any ideas for vocabulary or really anything else?Hunting wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 2:39 am I can't reliably pronounce it - maybe a Goodlanguage native speaker can)
Re: Let's create a good language!
Posted: December 3rd, 2020, 2:43 am
Another way to do it is to start with /j/, close it until you hear fricative turbulence, then turn off voicing.Hunting wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 2:39 amI can't reliably pronounce it - maybe a Goodlanguage native speaker canSchiaparelliorbust wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 2:25 amI'm having trouble pronouncing this mainly because I cannot properly pronounce <h> (/ç/). Can you pronounce it? I'm trying to pronounce it by saying /j/ and then pronouncing something like /ʃ/.
Edit: Infinitive is -(m)ai so "to lose" is <hyxai>.
I've been calling it that for a while (or at least "the good language").Schiaparelliorbust wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 2:42 amIs that what we're calling it now? Also, do you have any ideas for vocabulary or really anything else?Hunting wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 2:39 am I can't reliably pronounce it - maybe a Goodlanguage native speaker can