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Posted: **March 13th, 2022, 11:06 pm**

This post from a newcomer eleven hours ago about xs29_2llmxg84oz3460787011 appears to have been deleted.

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Unrelated, I feel that C4 symmetric objects tend to use more gliders to synthesize. Here is a 28G synthesis for a 26-bit p2:

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x = 585, y = 146, rule = B3/S23
291bobo$292b2o$292bo27$556bo$556bobo$556b2o3$553bo$553bo$553bo$108bo$
109bo$107b3o3$10bo$11bo381bo$9b3o13bo365b2o$24bo85b3o279b2o$24b3o85bo
200bo$111bo200bo$20bobo289b3o$21b2o121bo$21bo122bobo$39bo104b2o168bo$
39bobo96bo174bobo$39b2o83b2o10bobo174bobo$124b2o11b2o175bo$120b2o376bo
$119bo2bo376bo$4bo115b2o375b3o$2bobo106b2o$3b2o106b2o$502b3o$6b2o106bo
12bo$7b2o26bo77bobo10bobo$6bo26b2o78bobo10bobo195b2o$34b2o78bo12bo196b
2o19b2o$320b2o18b2o3bobo$37b2o90b2o188bo2bo16bo2bo2bo194bo$37bobo89b2o
189b2o18b2o198bobo$37bo82b2o189b2o225bo$119bo2bo188b2o224bo5b2o$120b2o
415bo7bo$103b2o11b2o196bo12bo207bo$b2o100bobo10b2o195bobo10bobo217b2o$
obo100bo209bobo10bobo205b2o$2bo93b2o216bo12bo218bo$20bo74bobo438bo7bo$
19b2o76bo231b2o206b2o5bo$19bobo307b2o212bo$130bo169b2o18b2o217bobo$15b
3o111bo166bo2bo2bo16bo2bo218bo$17bo111b3o162bobo3b2o18b2o$16bo13b3o
262b2o19b2o$30bo285b2o$31bo2$577b3o$132b3o$132bo$133bo448b3o$582bo$
583bo$327bo$326bobo$326bobo$327bo3$327b3o$329bo$328bo$248b2o$249b2o$
248bo7$528bo$528bo$528bo3$524b2o$523bobo$525bo27$349bo$348b2o$348bobo!

It shows an unusual cleanup mechanism. Also, this is one of the many cases I have met recently where I need a LoM but the 2G collision has bad clearance.
Meanwhile, read the following article on this pi day:
https://cp4space.hatsya.com/2013/02/28/radical-tauism/

EDIT: this is a sketch for a soup-based synthesis for xs16_0o8bbgzc8421 that looks suboptimal.

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x = 30, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5b2o3$26bo$2b3o21bobo$8bo17b2o$o6bobo$o6bobo$o7bo4$24b3o9$20b2o$
19b2o6b3o$21bo5bo$28bo$2o$b2o$o!

Another simple startup turns out to be messy:

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x = 63, y = 67, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o39$45bo$41bo3bobo$39b2o4b2o$40b2o3$37b3o$37bo$38bo11$60b2o$
60bobo$60bo2$53b2o$52bobo$54bo!

This one would have been easy if octohash/synthesise-patt.py knows how to make the region.

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x = 21, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
8b3o$9bo8b2o$b2o6bo8bobo$b2o5bobo8bo$7b2ob2o$8bobo$9bo2$3o!

This one is a bit more expensive than I hoped. The honeyfarm hits the loaf in an unusual way, and so it has no results in octohash.

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x = 23, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
20bobo$20b2o$2bo18bo$obo$b2o4$7b2o$6bo2bo$6bobo$7bo$12bo$b2o9bobo$bobo
8b2o$2bo$8b2o$7bo2bo9b2o$8b2o9b2o$13b2o6bo$12bobo$14bo!

...
1-glider seed for xs16_178c9jzx65 that is also not cheap:

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x = 14, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
5bo$5bobo$bo3b2o4bo$obo7bobo$obo7b2o$bo$7b2o$7b2o3$4b3o3b3o2$8bo$8bo$
8bo2b3o2$9bo$9bo$9bo!

Posted: **March 15th, 2022, 9:56 am**

Here is a list of known oscillators that I have rediscovered with my search program, or in a few cases, by hand.

Figure eight
Worker bee
p10 traffic light hassler
Pentadecathlon
Jason's p22
p25 honey farm hassler
p28 R-pentomino hassler
p29 pre-pulsar shuttle
p30 pre-pulsar shuttle
Pre-pulsar hassled by pentadecathlons (p30)
p30 honey farm hassler (unix and eater 4)
Jason's p33 (without stabilization)
22P36
p36 LOM hassler
Jason's p36
p36 traffic jam
p42 honey farm hassler (without stabilization)
p44 pi-heptomino hassler
Twin bees shuttle
p52 R-pentomino hassler
p56 traffic light hassler
p72 B-heptomino hassler
p88 wing shuttle
Diuresis
AK-94
p124 LOM hassler
Gabriel's p138

Posted: **March 15th, 2022, 4:43 pm**

hotdogPi wrote: March 15th, 2022, 9:56 am Here is a list of known oscillators that I have rediscovered with my search program, or in a few cases, by hand.
< LIST />

That is the FUN of it all, discovering everything YOURSELF !

Cheers !

Posted: **March 16th, 2022, 5:57 pm**

bprentice wrote: March 16th, 2022, 5:09 pm yujh,

Please don't tell me or others what to do. You are becoming a domineering complainer which is made worse by your lack of knowledge and ability.

Brian Prentice

Not to mention it’s not your first time to do these things as well, so I guess we’ll end the argument right here

Edit: also, why don’t you just convert your patterns to make it lifeviewer friendly?

Also, "lack of knowledge and ability" is very rude, I'll have to say

Posted: **March 16th, 2022, 8:43 pm**

yujh wrote: March 16th, 2022, 5:57 pm
bprentice wrote: March 16th, 2022, 5:09 pm yujh,

Please don't tell me or others what to do. You are becoming a domineering complainer which is made worse by your lack of knowledge and ability.

Brian Prentice
Not to mention it’s not your first time to do these things as well, so I guess we’ll end the argument right here

Uh, isn't that a tu quoque? You might be right, but you can't prove it with that particular argument.

bprentice wrote: March 16th, 2022, 5:09 pmYou are becoming a domineering complainer which is made worse by your lack of knowledge and ability.

Same here, but this is an ad hominem instead of a tu quoque.
Edit:

rowett wrote: March 13th, 2022, 2:18 am
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x=1,y=1,rule=BlahMonaLisa2
A!
[[ AUTOFIT STEP 64 AUTOSTART STOP 239003 QUALITY NOSTEPBACK NOGRAPH ]]
vs

https://lazyslug.com/lifeview/plugin/monalisa.html

Neither work. The page just refreshes itself.

Posted: **March 16th, 2022, 8:52 pm**

wwei47 wrote: March 16th, 2022, 8:43 pmsnip

I wasn't actually trying to say anything, but i just wanted this to stop(bc it goes into this viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5030&p=123984&hili ... ng#p123984

the mona lisa printer works fine for me.

Posted: **March 16th, 2022, 9:01 pm**

bprentice wrote: March 16th, 2022, 8:59 pm What does Golly and LifeViewer support hexagonal rules mean? Can either of these programs perform 60 degree rotations?

Brian Prentice

wait, both are actually bugged. But why would you really need that anyways? you can still rotate 180 degrees and flip sides.

Posted: **March 17th, 2022, 6:10 am**

It's St Patrick's Day.

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 5:54 am**

I'm not feeling well these days. I don't want to get stuck in Ireland.

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 12:08 pm**

yujh wrote: March 16th, 2022, 5:57 pm why don’t you just convert your patterns to make it lifeviewer friendly?

I've given you the step code:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5600#p143010

Why don't you show us all how to do it by doing it yourself.

In the Hexagonal Rules thread you wrote:

yujh wrote: March 16th, 2022, 8:20 pm well, at least lifeviewer does and for golly that's just some ruletables.

Again show us how by providing a working ruletable.

Brian Prentice

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 1:09 pm**

bprentice wrote: March 18th, 2022, 12:08 pm
yujh wrote: March 16th, 2022, 5:57 pm why don’t you just convert your patterns to make it lifeviewer friendly?
I've given you the step code:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5600#p143010

Why don't you show us all how to do it by doing it yourself.

In the Hexagonal Rules thread you wrote:

yujh wrote: March 16th, 2022, 8:20 pm well, at least lifeviewer does and for golly that's just some ruletables.
Again show us how by providing a working ruletable.

Brian Prentice

I mean, I don’t really have time to do the ruletable. And I don’t really understand your program so there’s no way you can do it. You can simply just do a rule table that is hexagonal; or if this doesn’t actually work for you just do Moore meighbourhood with symmetries:none

(Or if you are still going to argue with me that lifeviewer and golly isn't as good as your program, I will just write a random multistate rule here')

Edit: state one simulates B2/S0123456H and state two simulates B2o/S0123456H. If you or anyone else doesn't understand the hex notations, b2o means b2 ortho, which basically is b2a in moore.

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@RULE example

@TABLE

#810
#7x3
#054


n_states:3
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:none

var a = {0, 1, 2}
var b = {0, 1, 2}

0,1,a,1,0,0,b,0,0,1
0,1,a,0,1,0,b,0,0,1
0,1,a,0,0,1,b,0,0,1
0,1,a,0,0,0,b,1,0,1
0,1,a,0,0,0,b,0,1,1
0,0,a,1,1,0,b,0,0,1
0,0,a,1,0,1,b,0,0,1
0,0,a,1,0,0,b,1,0,1
0,0,a,1,0,0,b,0,1,1
0,0,a,0,1,1,b,0,0,1
0,0,a,0,1,0,b,1,0,1
0,0,a,0,1,0,b,0,1,1
0,0,a,0,0,1,b,1,0,1
0,0,a,0,0,1,b,0,1,1
0,0,a,0,0,0,b,1,1,1

0,2,a,2,0,0,b,0,0,2
0,2,a,0,0,0,b,0,2,2
0,0,a,2,2,0,b,0,0,2
0,0,a,0,2,2,b,0,0,2
0,0,a,0,0,2,b,2,0,2
0,0,a,0,0,0,b,2,2,2

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 1:41 pm**

wait did I saw a deleted post?

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 3:04 pm**

yujh wrote: March 18th, 2022, 1:41 pm Or if you are still going to argue with me that lifeviewer and golly isn't as good as your program

I have never argued that my programs are better than LifevVewer and Golly. I think that both LifeViewer and Golly are excellent programs.

I don't believe that I have argued with you about anything.

Saying that you lack knowledge and ability is not rude, it is simply a fact. It does not mean that you know nothing or can't do anything. It simply means that there are certain subjects that you know little about, are unable to work with and don't have the knowledge to make accurate statements about.

Consider now my post:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5600#p142975

I was simply posting some patterns to an appropriate thread. I also provided a means to run them knowing that they could not be run on Golly or LifeViewer.

Now consider your response:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5600#p142981

You assumed, incorrectly, that I was advertising Hexagonal Cell. You then went on to imply that Golly and LifeViewer are capable hexagonal simulators and could run my hexagonal Mites rule. All of this while having no knowledge about my rule.

So I replied appropriately.

Brian Prentice

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 3:29 pm**

i don't need any knowledge on your rule to know if the standard programs can run your rule, because it is range one, or your post will be off-topic. I do have seen stuffs like these

Some of the newer members of this forum may not be aware of this program. You can read about it here:

I won't be posting the link here but if you really want to argue with me that I made this up, then you might want to search. It's is not your other program and I mean this is not that rare. Also I would like to end this argument as soon as I started posting in the sandbox, which is a very usual thing I do.

end the argument

(also by the way, saying you are idiot also works if you say it can apply to something that you really don't know, whichI believe is very rude if I do so. S̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶r̶u̶d̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶r̶u̶d̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶I̶ ̶g̶u̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶r̶u̶d̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶u̶d̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶r̶u̶d̶e̶(̶o̶r̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶)̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶r̶u̶d̶e̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶r̶u̶d̶e̶?̶ anyways it's still very impolite to say you have a lack of knowledge because the 'you' in that sentence doesn't know what you are referring to, what the 'you' in that sentence's understanding of it might be something other than 'Square cell'/'CA', which might make them feel bad about it.

Other CA programs isn't really necessary it's like speaking say French in this forums, while there's translators for that there's none for CA programs yet.)

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 3:44 pm**

yujh,

Utter nonsense!

Brian Prentice

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 8:59 pm**

you don't really have to look at the last part btw : )

Posted: **March 18th, 2022, 9:01 pm**

Can anyone solve any of these two?(just any symmetry and odd umber of tiles)

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x = 45, y = 104, rule = B/S012345678Super
2.D17.2S19.2U$.URD16.S.2N16.U2.U$.URD17.SN$.URD16.Q.QN$UR3Q15.2Q$.Q.pA
$2.pA$2.pA$2.pA12$2U18.U.U17.U.U$2.2U17.U19.U.U$21.U18$.N.U18.U18.U$N
2pAUpA15.2U18.U.U$.NUpA17.U19.U$.N.U17$C9.D.D9.U18.2U$C10.D9.U.U16.U$
.C8.D.D8.UQpA16.U$2.C17.Q.Q.pA$21.Q2pA16$.C8.D.D7.U21.U$C.C8.D9.2U18.
U2Q$3.C6.D.D10.U16.2UQ2M$41.Q.M$42.M16$U19.U.U$.U19.U$2.U19.U$3.U!
#C[[ VIEWONLY ]]

Edit: and this partial the nobody would like to extend

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x = 19, y = 63, rule = B34t6a/S2-ei3-ai4aeijr5einqy6i
3b2o4bo4b2o$bo2bo4bo4bo2bo$2bo4bo3bo4bo$bobobo3bo3bobobo$4b2o7b
2o$4bob3ob3obo$2bo6bo6bo$3b13o$bo6b3o6bo$bo2b2o7b2o2bo$2o2bo4bo4b
o2b2o$bo3b2o5b2o3bo$b2o2b9o2b2o$2bo4b2ob2o4bo$3b2o2bo3bo2b2o$3bo
3bobobo3bo$4bobobobobobo$4bob7obo$4bo9bo$4b5ob5o$3bo3bo3bo3bo$3b
o3bobobo3bo$2b4o3bo3b4o$2bo4bo3bo4bo$4bobob3obobo$2bo13bo$3b13o$
3b2obo5bob2o$4b2o3bo3b2o$4bo3b3o3bo$8bobo$4b3obobob3o$2b2o2bob3o
bo2b2o$2bobo9bobo$2bobob2obob2obobo$2b2ob2obobob2ob2o$2obo11bob2o
$bo2bo9bo2bo$3bo11bo$3bo11bo$2bo4b5o4bo$2b2o2bob3obo2b2o$6bo5bo$
3bo3bo3bo3bo$b4o3b3o3b4o$8bobo$ob3ob2o3b2ob3obo$7bobobo$bo2b2o2b
3o2b2o2bo$bo3b3o3b3o3bo$2b4ob2ob2ob4o$2bob3o5b3obo$2b2o4b3o4b2o$
2b2o4b3o4b2o$6bo2bo2bo$3bo11bo$4b2o7b2o$3b3o2bobo2b3o$3b3o2bobo2b
3o$3b2obobobobob2o$4bobo2bo2bobo$5b2o5b2o$7b2ob2o!

Note: this is obviously not my rulegolfing style, the original is made by dani.

Edit2: wait, there was already solutions for
..*.
.*.*
*...

Posted: **March 20th, 2022, 9:06 pm**

bismarckisbestgirl wrote: March 20th, 2022, 6:55 pm Large, less than optimal c/2 orthogonal spaceship:
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x = 18, y = 26, rule = B3acijy4-a5cjkr6-in78/S2n3-c4-aijz5-jy6-k
3b3o6b3o$3b3o6b3o$4bo8bo$4b3o4b3o$4b3o4b3o$5bo6bo$5b2o4b2o$5b2o4b2o$5b
o6bo$4b4o2b4o$6b2o2b2o$4b2o6b2o$3bob2o4b2obo$3b2obo4bob2o$2b5o4b5o$2b
2ob3o2b3ob2o$b5o6b5o$2b2obo6bob2o$bob4o4b4obo$3b3o6b3o$2b2obob4obob2o
$6b6o$b5ob4ob5o$b6ob2ob6o$2ob12ob2o$6b2o2b2o!
This spaceship is comprised of a mutually stabilizing frontend and backend. I found it in rlifesrc.

then you don't have to post it at all

Posted: **March 20th, 2022, 9:55 pm**

yujh wrote: March 20th, 2022, 9:06 pm
bismarckisbestgirl wrote: March 20th, 2022, 6:55 pm Large, less than optimal c/2 orthogonal spaceship:
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x = 18, y = 26, rule = B3acijy4-a5cjkr6-in78/S2n3-c4-aijz5-jy6-k
3b3o6b3o$3b3o6b3o$4bo8bo$4b3o4b3o$4b3o4b3o$5bo6bo$5b2o4b2o$5b2o4b2o$5b
o6bo$4b4o2b4o$6b2o2b2o$4b2o6b2o$3bob2o4b2obo$3b2obo4bob2o$2b5o4b5o$2b
2ob3o2b3ob2o$b5o6b5o$2b2obo6bob2o$bob4o4b4obo$3b3o6b3o$2b2obob4obob2o
$6b6o$b5ob4ob5o$b6ob2ob6o$2ob12ob2o$6b2o2b2o!
This spaceship is comprised of a mutually stabilizing frontend and backend. I found it in rlifesrc.
then you don't have to post it at all

It's okay to post stuff you find. Suboptimal spaceships can still be posted as part of larger posts, and could have uses that optimized spaceships don't such as being symmetrical or having a useful spark.

Posted: **March 20th, 2022, 10:10 pm**

bismarckisbestgirl wrote: March 20th, 2022, 9:55 pm
yujh wrote: March 20th, 2022, 9:06 pm
bismarckisbestgirl wrote: March 20th, 2022, 6:55 pm Large, less than optimal c/2 orthogonal spaceship:
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x = 18, y = 26, rule = B3acijy4-a5cjkr6-in78/S2n3-c4-aijz5-jy6-k
3b3o6b3o$3b3o6b3o$4bo8bo$4b3o4b3o$4b3o4b3o$5bo6bo$5b2o4b2o$5b2o4b2o$5b
o6bo$4b4o2b4o$6b2o2b2o$4b2o6b2o$3bob2o4b2obo$3b2obo4bob2o$2b5o4b5o$2b
2ob3o2b3ob2o$b5o6b5o$2b2obo6bob2o$bob4o4b4obo$3b3o6b3o$2b2obob4obob2o
$6b6o$b5ob4ob5o$b6ob2ob6o$2ob12ob2o$6b2o2b2o!
This spaceship is comprised of a mutually stabilizing frontend and backend. I found it in rlifesrc.
then you don't have to post it at all
It's okay to post stuff you find. Suboptimal spaceships can still be posted as part of larger posts, and could have uses that optimized spaceships don't such as being symmetrical or having a useful spark.

That rule has an insane amount of c/2o due to small front ends , so it is the same thing like posting a random still life in patterns.

Posted: **March 20th, 2022, 11:31 pm**

It's random posts, they can post whatever they want.

Posted: **March 21st, 2022, 4:34 am**

dani wrote: March 20th, 2022, 11:31 pm It's random posts, they can post whatever they want.

The post yujh quoted was on the OCA board, so there's a certain amount of justification for the complaint.

That said, @yujh, speaking for myself and not so much as a moderator who might Do Something Official -- I'd appreciate it if you'd take a break from policing other users' behavior for a while. If someone is posting things that aren't quite right, let somebody else point it out and/or fix it.

Some of your efforts along these lines have contributed to the most unpleasant exchanges on the forums this year, like the one a few posts up in this thread that ended on March 18th. The forums will get along fine if someone occasionally posts something in the wrong place; if the problem becomes significant, it will get addressed.

Posted: **March 22nd, 2022, 1:00 am**

Um

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x = 92, y = 79, rule = B3/S23
49bo$50b2o$49b2o47$91bo$89b2o$90b2o2$64bo$64b2o$65b2o$65bo$64bo19$2o$
b2o$o!

Edit: Fixed the CA

Posted: **March 23rd, 2022, 4:58 pm**

Just posting random weird audio.

Posted: **March 23rd, 2022, 11:05 pm**

Me, new to this thread:
I just learned how to synthesize an eater.

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x = 157, y = 222, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o3$10bo$8bobo$9b2o6$4bo$2bobo$3b2o84$95bo$93bobo$94b2o24bo$
119bo$119b3o7$155bo$126bo27bo$125bo8bo19b3o$125b3o5bo$133b3o3$141bo$140b
o$140b3o17$152b2o$123b2o27bobo$123bobo5b2o19bo$123bo7bobo$131bo3$138b
2o$101b3o34bobo$103bo34bo$102bo24b2o$127bobo$127bo5$97b3o$99bo$98bo34b
2o$133bobo$133bo$144b2o$144bobo$144bo59$27b3o$29bo$28bo!

I am such a pro.

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