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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 18th, 2022, 1:20 am
by qqd
Jormungant wrote: November 17th, 2022, 9:35 pm
it is not R64, but there is a stable conduit indeed:
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x = 99, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
3$53.2A$53.A$45.A.2A.2A.A$45.2A.A.A.A$51.A13.A$63.3A$62.A$51.3A8.2A$
51.A$40.A.2A7.3A$40.2A.A17.2A$61.2A5$24.A$24.3A$10.2A15.A3.2A9.2A29.
2A18.A$11.A14.2A4.A10.A30.A11.2A3.3A$11.A.AB11.5B.A.2A7.A.A11.2A15.A.
AB7.A.A2.A$12.2AB.3B9.B2A.A2.A8.2A11.2A16.2AB.3B3.BA3.2A$14.7B6.BA.A.
2A43.7B2.6B$14.9B.4B2A47.9B.3B$15.15B48.13B$14.15B48.14B.2B$12.17B46.
18B2A$10.18B14.7B24.18B.B2A$10.2BC15B14.2BC15B13.2BC15B2.B$9.3BCBC4B.
7B14.3BCBC4B.7B13.3BCBC4B.7B$10.2B3C4B2.B2DBDB15.2B3C4B2.B2DBDB14.2B
3C4B2.B2DBDB$9.5BC4B4.3D15.5BC4B2.B.3DB13.5BC4B4.3D$8.10B6.D15.10B6.D
14.10B6.D$7.4B28.4B27.4B$7.3B28.4B27.4B$5.4B28.4B27.4B$5.2A30.2AB28.
2AB$6.A31.A30.A$3.3A29.3A28.3A$3.A31.A30.A!
Still, very neat reaction. And there is one block less in the way of the B output, so more connections are possible in theory.
Actually, I derived it from
Achim's p144.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 18th, 2022, 6:02 am
by qqd
G-to-(H+G) signal splitter (it's one-time)
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x = 10, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
bo6b2o$2bo5b2o$3o5$3b2o$3b2o!
Just for fun, maybe we could make an oscillator out of this?
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 20th, 2022, 1:26 pm
by Zodduniverse
Has this toad puffer been found yet?
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x = 16, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$10bo4bo$9bo$9bo5bo$9b6o3$4o$o3bo$o7bo$bo2bo2b7o$6b2ob3o2bo$bo2b
o2b7o$o7bo$o3bo$4o3$9b6o$9bo5bo$9bo$10bo4bo$12b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 21st, 2022, 10:06 am
by gravity
I found another puffer-based methuselah. This pattern stabilizes after 126,932,978 generations (126932978M). It fits into a 20x20 bounding box. I will post the script I used to help find it in the ‘Golly Scripts’ topic sometime soon. It is not a fully automated script though, as it requires some manual input.
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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
5b4o$9bo$9bo$10b2o6$o$o$o10b2obobo2bo$b2o14bobo$b3o8b3o3b2o$b2o8b4obo
2bo$11bobo4bo$17b3o$14bobo2bo$11b2ob3obo$12b3ob4o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 21st, 2022, 12:22 pm
by Wyirm
gravity wrote: November 21st, 2022, 10:06 am
I found another puffer-based methuselah. This pattern stabilizes after 126,932,978 generations (126932978M). It fits into a 20x20 bounding box. I will post the script I used to help find it in the ‘Golly Scripts’ topic sometime soon. It is not a fully automated script though, as it requires some manual input.
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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
5b4o$9bo$9bo$10b2o6$o$o$o10b2obobo2bo$b2o14bobo$b3o8b3o3b2o$b2o8b4obo
2bo$11bobo4bo$17b3o$14bobo2bo$11b2ob3obo$12b3ob4o!
Unless I'm misunderstanding previous methuselahs, the previous methuselah was 13,629,876M. I have two questions.
How did you even run a simulation for that long, and what are your computer specs?
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 21st, 2022, 12:36 pm
by googleplex
gravity wrote: November 21st, 2022, 10:06 am
I found another puffer-based methuselah. This pattern stabilizes after 126,932,978 generations (126932978M). It fits into a 20x20 bounding box. I will post the script I used to help find it in the ‘Golly Scripts’ topic sometime soon. It is not a fully automated script though, as it requires some manual input.
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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
5b4o$9bo$9bo$10b2o6$o$o$o10b2obobo2bo$b2o14bobo$b3o8b3o3b2o$b2o8b4obo
2bo$11bobo4bo$17b3o$14bobo2bo$11b2ob3obo$12b3ob4o!
It should be noted that the whole soup in the bottom right is actually just a 53-tick Queen bee predecessor. It may be possible to find a slightly longer lived variation with a different queen bee predecessor.
EDIT:
Here's a 75-generation queen bee predecessor:
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x = 14, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
$2bo$2b2o$bo2bo$2bo2bo$bo4bo2$2b2o2bo$4b2o2$10b2o$10bo!
and a variant with larger bounding box but lower population:
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x = 28, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
5b4o$9bo$9bo$10b2o6$o$o$o$b2o$b3o19bo$b2o19bo$21b2o4bo$21b6o$20b2o3b3o
7$19b2o$19bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 21st, 2022, 1:22 pm
by dvgrn
googleplex wrote: November 21st, 2022, 12:36 pm
It should be noted that the whole soup in the bottom right is actually just a 53-tick Queen bee predecessor. It may be possible to find a slightly longer lived variation with a different queen bee predecessor.
There must be huge numbers of reasonable-sized QB ancestors. Here's a collection from the old octohash database, in case they come in handy.
Obviously they can all be easily delayed or advanced by some number of ticks to make them match up with a small-population switch-engine predecessor.
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x = 203, y = 56, rule = LifeHistory
132.B29.B$131.3B27.3B$8.B6.B114.6B24.6B$7.2CBD2.4B23.D29.D29.D29.D6B
23.D6B23.D$7.CBC2D.4B22.3D27.3D27.3D27.3D5B22.3D5B22.3D$8.CBCBD5B20.D
3BD25.D3BD25.D3BD25.D3BD4B21.D3BC4B21.D3BD$7.DBC2DBD4B19.DB3DBD23.DB
3DBD.C21.DB3DBD23.DB3DCDC3B19.DBD3CD4B19.DB3DBD$7.B5D6B18.B5D2B22.B5D
BC.B20.B5DB23.B4D2C5B18.BDC3DB3C2B18.B5DB$7.11B19.9B21.4BC2B3C20.7B
23.B3C2BC6B17.2B2C3BC5B17.8B$7.11B19.10B20.3BCBC3B21.8B22.12B18.8BC3B
18.10B$7.5B2C5B18.4BC5B19.4B2C3B21.4B2C2B23.9B21.9B21.10B$8.3BC2BC6B
17.4BC3BCB17.11B19.4BCBC4B21.C9B20.C9B21.3BC6B$8.3BC2BC7B17.B3C2BCBC
4B12.9BC3B18.3C2BC6B19.BC8B20.BC8B21.3BCBC5B$8.4B2C7B18.5BC2BC5B12.7B
CBC4B16.2BC9B20.C.7B21.C.7B22.3B2C6B$9.10B20.6B2C7B14.3BCBC5B16.BC10B
22.7B23.7B21.8B2C4B$9.3C7B20.15B14.3B2C5B20.8B25.5B25.5B20.9BCBC5B$9.
2BC6B23.8B2C3B16.7B22.7B27.2B28.2B22.9BC6B$10.C2B.2B25.3B.3BCBC3B16.
6B23.7B82.14B$42.B3.3BC3B18.4B25.5BC83.4B3C6B$47.4B49.3B3C85.4BC6B$
101.BCB88.2BC5B$101.B2C88.7B$193.5B11$10.D29.D29.D$9.3D27.3D27.3D$8.D
3BD25.D3BD25.D3BD$7.DB3DBD23.DB3DBD23.DB3DBD$7.B5DB23.B5DB23.B5D2B$7.
7B21.11B21.8B$7.7B20.13B20.9B6.2B$2.2B2.8B21.4B2C7B18.11B4.3B$.7B2C4B
21.4BCBC6B.B15.14B.3B2C$8BCBC2B23.4B2C11B11.19BCB$9BCBCB22.19B10.7BC
9BCBC$.9BC22.12BC8B8.7BCBC3BC5B2CB$.10B21.12BC10B6.9B2C2BCBC7B$.9B23.
8BC2B3C7B8.11BC2BC6B$.8B26.5BCBC10B8.13B2C5B$3BC5B30.2BC11B8.18B$2BCB
C3B31.14B9.9B3.5B$2BCBC2B32.7B2.4B10.8B6.2B$3BC3B33.7B2.B14.6B$.7B33.
5B22.B$2.2B3C34.5B$4.C2B$5.C!
Maybe the glider collision with two blinkers will produce the lowest-population option? There's a phase that reduces the methuselah to 35 live cells inside 24x20:
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x = 24, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
7bo$7b4o$7bo3bo2$9b3o5$bo$obo$obo$o2bo$bobo17bo$4bo13bob2obo$3b2o13bo
2b2o$3bo14bo3$15b3o!
Here's my experimental pattern, in case someone wants to try reducing it further with alternate switch-engine predecessors:
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x = 33, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
13.C$12.C.C3BC$12.B2CB.C$12.4B.3C$11.D4B$10.B2DCD4B$11.DCBCDB$13.2CB$
13.3DB3$25.B$24.3B$23.6B$5.B16.BD4BCB$4.3D14.B3D2BC$.C3BDC13.BD3BDB3C
$C.C2BCBCD11.DB3DBDB.2B$.2C2BD2CD11.BDC3DB.4B$.5BDBD11.B.C.B3.5B$.2BC
3B.B11.2BC9B$2.B2CB14.9B$2.CBCB15.9B$19.3C7B$22.7B$22.7B$24.5B$26.2B!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 21st, 2022, 2:14 pm
by googleplex
28 cell parent that fits in a 25x21 bounding box:
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x = 25, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
6bobo2$5bobob2o$11bo2$11b2o5$bo$obo$22bobo$o2bo18b2o$2b2o19bo$3bo13b3o
3$16bo$16bo$16bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 21st, 2022, 3:54 pm
by toroidalet
27 cells, 23*21:
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x = 23, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
6bobo2$5bobob2o$11bo2$11b2o5$bo$obo$19bobo$o2bo18bo$2b2o14bo2bo$3bo14b
2o3$16bo$16bo$16bo!
Since the only interactions between the queen bee and the puffer are the destruction of the loaf and the B hitting the blinker, you can adjust the queen bee by an even number of generations.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 21st, 2022, 5:22 pm
by dvgrn
(126932979M)
toroidalet wrote: November 21st, 2022, 3:54 pm
27 cells, 23*21:
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x = 23, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
6bobo2$5bobob2o$11bo2$11b2o5$bo$obo$19bobo$o2bo18bo$2b2o14bo2bo$3bo14b
2o3$16bo$16bo$16bo!
Let's see, I can get two additional ticks before stabilization with 27 cells, at the cost of a slightly bigger bounding box (22x23 instead of 23x21):
(126932981M)
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x = 22, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
6bo2$5b3obo2$8bo$8bo$9bo$7bo5$o$o$o17bobo$o20bo$b2o14bo2bo$3bo13b2o$3b
o2$15bo$15bo$15bo!
... or run the above pattern one tick to get back to 23x21 -- it now has 29 cells, but lasts one tick longer than 126932979M:
(126932980M)
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x = 23, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
6bobo$7bo$7b3o2$9b2o$9bo7$3o$3o$bo18b3o$2b2o14b2o$4bo13b2o4$15b3o!
When we're talking about a time to stability of over 126 million ticks, it's not at all clear why time to stabilization should be prioritized over population or bounding box. No doubt we can get a little more time and a slightly smaller bounding box just by running JLS on these three clumps.
Now trying to figure out where the final bit of novelty dies out in these patterns. Couldn't locate it on the first try -- more here shortly, most likely.
EDIT: There's a final glider hitting a beehive and turning it into a block, just northwest of (-5859385, -5859168).
EDIT2: If someone decides bounding box is more important than population, then it's pretty easy to convince JLS to produce things like this:
(126932976M)
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x = 20, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
3bob3o$2bo4bob2o$6ob3o$2b5o$5b4o$4bobo$ob4o$4bo$bo2bo$o2b3o12bo$o3b2o
12b2o$o4b2o9bobo$4b3o10bo$2obobo7bobob2o$bo3bo7bobob3o$o11b3o$obobo7b
2o3bo$2b5o6b3obobo$bob2o7bobo4bo!
(126932981M, v.2, smaller but higher population)
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x = 21, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
3bo4bo$5bob2o$3bobo3b2o$5bobobo$5bo2b3obo$7bo3bo$9bo2bo3$2b2o$o18b2o$b
3o15b2o$o18b2o$5bo$2obo16bo$3bo12bobobo$17b2o$16b2obo$16b2o$15b2o2bo!
No doubt in the hands of someone competent, JLS could pack that pattern a little smaller or drag it backwards a little farther.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 24th, 2022, 5:42 pm
by C28
EDIT by dvgrn to add some kind of a label: U-turner goes through a conduit and then does something very un-conduit-like to a big oscillator, extending a three-cell corner into a five-cell hook. This would make the conduit not usable again, so it's probably more of a glider synthesis component than a conduit (but we already have components that do that particular trick).
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x = 31, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo8b3o$2b2o8b3o$11bobo$11b2o7$5b2o$6bo11b2obo2bo$3b3o13bob4o$
3bo14bo$19b8o$18bo8bo$21b2ob3obo$18b2o4bobobo$21bo3b3o$19bob4o$20bo4b
5o$21b3o2bo3bo$23b2o4b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 25th, 2022, 6:11 am
by Game of Life Fun
The best thing for me in CGoL is making c/2 puffers with known components. I need a collection, that contains ways to deleting extraenous small still lifes and oscilators with small c/2 sparkers. Where could i find any? I've made mine own collection but mayby there are better ways. How to deletete tubs or ponds?
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x = 94, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
63bo18b2o$22b3o17b3o17bobo17bobo$62b2o19b2o6$36b3o37b3o$16b3o17bo2bo
16b3o17bo2bo9bo$16bo2bo16bo19bo2bo16bo11b3o$16bo19bo3bo15bo19bo3bo7bob
2o$16bo3bo15bo3bo15bo3bo15bo12b3o$16bo3bo15bo19bo3bo16bobo9b2o$16bo20b
obo16bo$17bobo37bobo5$22b2o18b2o18b2o19bo$22b2o18b2o18b2o18bobo$82bo2b
o$83b2o5$56b3o$16b3o17b3o17bo2bo16b3o$16bo2bo16bo2bo16bo19bo2bo$16bo
19bo19bo3bo15bo12b3o$16bo3bo15bo3bo15bo3bo15bo3bo8bo2bo$16bo19bo3bo15b
o19bo12bo$17bobo16bo20bobo17bobo9bo3bo$37bobo49bo3bo$89bo$90bobo3$23bo
33b2o24b2o$22bobo31bo2bo22bo2bo$22bobo32b2o23bobo$23bo59bo5$50b3o$3o
13b3o15b3o13bo2bo9b3o10b3o10b3o$o2bo4b3o5bo2bo14bo2bo4b3o5bo11bo2bo10b
o2bo8bo2bo$o7bo2bo4bo17bo7bo2bo4bo3bo10bo10bo14bo$o3bo2bo3bo4bo3bo13bo
3bo2bo3bo4bo3bo6bo3bo10bo3bo6bo3bo$o6bobo3bo2bo17bo6bobo3bo2bo10bo3bo
10bo10bo3bo$bo2b2o8bobo18bo2b2o8bobo14bo11bobo11bo$b5o8bo20b5o8bo13bob
o23bobo$4b2o6bo3b3o19b2o6bo3b3o$b2o32b2o39bo$75b3o$75bob2o$76b3o$76b3o
$76b3o$76b2o! [[ STOP 20 THEME Mono STARS ]]
I have another questions: where can i find an information about p2 c/2 puffers, f. ex. line puffers - colletions and quides?
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 25th, 2022, 1:59 pm
by mniemiec
C28 wrote: November 24th, 2022, 5:42 pmEDIT by dvgrn to add some kind of a label: U-turner goes through a conduit and then does something very un-conduit-like to a big oscillator, extending a three-cell corner into a five-cell hook. This would make the conduit not usable again, so it's probably more of a glider synthesis component than a conduit (but we already have components that do that particular trick).
I'm familiar with ones that do it from the top, with nothing adjacent on the right, but that table makes most of them problematic. This one comes in strictly from the left, and leverages the P2 rotor in a way that wouldn't be possible with still-life-based components.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: November 30th, 2022, 11:42 am
by Jormungant
Very strange but probably useless, found an alternative way to remake the block from a usual H-to-X conduit:
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x = 61, y = 38, rule = LifeHistory
4$55.3B$54.4B$6.A46.4B$5.A.A44.4B$5.A.A43.4B$4.2A.2A41.4B$8.B10.2A14.
B13.4B$8.3B8.A.A12.3B11.4B$7.6B7.A11.6B8.5B$6.10B10.4B2.7B3.8B$6.11B
3.2B2.26B$4.2BC3B2A15BD23B$4.2B2C2B2A15BDBD21B.3B$5.2B2C18B3DB2A22B$
6.BC21BDB2A21B2A$6.C45B.B2A$8.13B.B5.23B3.B$8.7B.B13.B2.18B$33.17B$
33.17B$33.19B$34.18B$34.4B2.12B$40.11B$40.8B$40.10B$36.A.2AB.4B2.2A$
34.3AB2AB7.A$33.A4.B10.3A$34.3A.2A11.A$36.A.A$36.A.A$37.A!
several other still life can work instead of the boat. The interest is that the interaction with the boat can only happen at 1 point in time, so one might be able to place the boat asynchronously to the conduit being used. That being said, it is very unlikely that the downstream could robustly handle both possible outputs, and clean the leftovers, but maybe this deserve to be searched to make a conduit.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 2nd, 2022, 11:21 pm
by pipsqueek
I couldn't find the name of this c/3 ship (systematically known as 342P3H0V1), is it known?
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x = 19, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
6b3ob3o$4b2o7b2o$4b2o7b2o$4bob3ob3obo$2b2ob3o3b3ob2o$8b3o$2bo6bo6bo$7b
o3bo$6bo5bo$5bob2ob2obo$b3ob3o3b3ob3o$o5b2o3b2o5bo$bobo11bobo$6bo5bo$
2b3obo5bob3o$2bo3bo5bo3bo$3bo3b2ob2o3bo$5bobo3bobo2$7bobobo$8b3o$6bobo
bobo$5b2o5b2o$4bo2b5o2bo$9bo$8b3o2$5bobo3bobo$b3ob4ob4ob3o$o7bobo7bo$b
2o3b3ob3o3b2o$6b2o3b2o$7b2ob2o$b3obo7bob3o$obobo3bobo3bobobo$obobo2bo
3bo2bobobo$bob3o7b3obo2$3bo11bo$2b2o5bo5b2o$2b3o2b2ob2o2b3o$bo15bo$2bo
2bob2ob2obo2bo$3bo2b3ob3o2bo2$3b2o9b2o2$5bo2b3o2bo$3bobo2b3o2bobo$8bob
o$5b3obob3o$3bo11bo$2b2obo7bob2o2$5b2ob3ob2o$5b2obobob2o$5b2obobob2o$b
2o3b3ob3o3b2o$b2ob3obobob3ob2o$b2o5bobo5b2o$3bo3bo3bo3bo$3bo3b2ob2o3bo
$2b2o11b2o$3bo11bo$3bo11bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 2nd, 2022, 11:29 pm
by pzq_alex
pipsqueek wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:21 pm
I couldn't find the name of this c/3 ship (systematically known as 342P3H0V1), is it known?
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x = 19, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
6b3ob3o$4b2o7b2o$4b2o7b2o$4bob3ob3obo$2b2ob3o3b3ob2o$8b3o$2bo6bo6bo$7b
o3bo$6bo5bo$5bob2ob2obo$b3ob3o3b3ob3o$o5b2o3b2o5bo$bobo11bobo$6bo5bo$
2b3obo5bob3o$2bo3bo5bo3bo$3bo3b2ob2o3bo$5bobo3bobo2$7bobobo$8b3o$6bobo
bobo$5b2o5b2o$4bo2b5o2bo$9bo$8b3o2$5bobo3bobo$b3ob4ob4ob3o$o7bobo7bo$b
2o3b3ob3o3b2o$6b2o3b2o$7b2ob2o$b3obo7bob3o$obobo3bobo3bobobo$obobo2bo
3bo2bobobo$bob3o7b3obo2$3bo11bo$2b2o5bo5b2o$2b3o2b2ob2o2b3o$bo15bo$2bo
2bob2ob2obo2bo$3bo2b3ob3o2bo2$3b2o9b2o2$5bo2b3o2bo$3bobo2b3o2bobo$8bob
o$5b3obob3o$3bo11bo$2b2obo7bob2o2$5b2ob3ob2o$5b2obobob2o$5b2obobob2o$b
2o3b3ob3o3b2o$b2ob3obobob3ob2o$b2o5bobo5b2o$3bo3bo3bo3bo$3bo3b2ob2o3bo
$2b2o11b2o$3bo11bo$3bo11bo!
It's probably not notable. There are thousands of c/3 spaceships on odd symmetry width 10, and your spaceship isn't the smallest of something. Sokwe has done some exhaustive searching using knightt, and the results are publicly available on github.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 3rd, 2022, 10:18 am
by pipsqueek
pzq_alex wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:29 pm
pipsqueek wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:21 pm
I couldn't find the name of this c/3 ship (systematically known as 342P3H0V1), is it known?
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x = 19, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
6b3ob3o$4b2o7b2o$4b2o7b2o$4bob3ob3obo$2b2ob3o3b3ob2o$8b3o$2bo6bo6bo$7b
o3bo$6bo5bo$5bob2ob2obo$b3ob3o3b3ob3o$o5b2o3b2o5bo$bobo11bobo$6bo5bo$
2b3obo5bob3o$2bo3bo5bo3bo$3bo3b2ob2o3bo$5bobo3bobo2$7bobobo$8b3o$6bobo
bobo$5b2o5b2o$4bo2b5o2bo$9bo$8b3o2$5bobo3bobo$b3ob4ob4ob3o$o7bobo7bo$b
2o3b3ob3o3b2o$6b2o3b2o$7b2ob2o$b3obo7bob3o$obobo3bobo3bobobo$obobo2bo
3bo2bobobo$bob3o7b3obo2$3bo11bo$2b2o5bo5b2o$2b3o2b2ob2o2b3o$bo15bo$2bo
2bob2ob2obo2bo$3bo2b3ob3o2bo2$3b2o9b2o2$5bo2b3o2bo$3bobo2b3o2bobo$8bob
o$5b3obob3o$3bo11bo$2b2obo7bob2o2$5b2ob3ob2o$5b2obobob2o$5b2obobob2o$b
2o3b3ob3o3b2o$b2ob3obobob3ob2o$b2o5bobo5b2o$3bo3bo3bo3bo$3bo3b2ob2o3bo
$2b2o11b2o$3bo11bo$3bo11bo!
It's probably not notable.
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x = 17, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
5b2o3b2o$4bobo3bobo$3bo3b3o3bo$2bo11bo$bo4bo3bo4bo$o5bo3bo5bo$obo2bo5b
o2bobo$4bo2bobo2bo$2obo2b2ob2o2bob2o$4o3bobo3b4o$b2o4bobo4b2o$4b2obobo
b2o$bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo$2b3o2bobo2b3o$3bo2b2ob2o2bo$2bo11bo$bo4bo3bo4bo$
2o2b3o3b3o2b2o$7bobo$2b2obo5bob2o$2bo4bobo4bo$2bo2b2o3b2o2bo$bo6bo6bo$
2bo3b5o3bo$4b3o3b3o$7bobo$2b2o9b2o$bo3b2o3b2o3bo$bob2o7b2obo$5b2o3b2o$
2b3obo3bob3o$5bo5bo$b2o2bo5bo2b2o$ob2obo5bob2obo$o3bobo3bobo3bo$bobobo
5bobobo!
what about 193P5H0V1? it has a very odd front end
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 3rd, 2022, 10:25 am
by Sokwe
pipsqueek wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 10:18 am
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x = 17, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
5b2o3b2o$4bobo3bobo$3bo3b3o3bo$2bo11bo$bo4bo3bo4bo$o5bo3bo5bo$obo2bo5b
o2bobo$4bo2bobo2bo$2obo2b2ob2o2bob2o$4o3bobo3b4o$b2o4bobo4b2o$4b2obobo
b2o$bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo$2b3o2bobo2b3o$3bo2b2ob2o2bo$2bo11bo$bo4bo3bo4bo$
2o2b3o3b3o2b2o$7bobo$2b2obo5bob2o$2bo4bobo4bo$2bo2b2o3b2o2bo$bo6bo6bo$
2bo3b5o3bo$4b3o3b3o$7bobo$2b2o9b2o$bo3b2o3b2o3bo$bob2o7b2obo$5b2o3b2o$
2b3obo3bob3o$5bo5bo$b2o2bo5bo2b2o$ob2obo5bob2obo$o3bobo3bobo3bo$bobobo
5bobobo!
what about 193P5H0V1? it has a very odd front end
This one is in the moving objects collection (
velocity-c5o/ships-c5o-2.rle bottom row, third from the left). How did you find it?
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 3rd, 2022, 10:29 am
by pipsqueek
Sokwe wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 10:25 am
pipsqueek wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 10:18 am
what about 193P5H0V1? it has a very odd front end
This one is in the moving objects collection (
velocity-c5o/ships-c5o-2.rle bottom row, third from the left). How did you find it?
I used ntzfind. Its the only search program I could get to work on my computer
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 5th, 2022, 9:42 pm
by Entity Valkyrie 2
I reduced broken lines and ruler:
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x = 144, y = 80, rule = B3/S23
64b3o3b3o$64bo2bobo2bo$64bo7bo$64bo7bo$65bobobobo2$68bo$67b3o$66b2ob2o
$67b3o$67b3o$67b3o$59b3o5bobo5bo$59bo2bo4bobo4b3o$59bo8bo5bob2o$59bo3b
o11b3o$59bo3bo11b3o$59bo15b3o$7b2o51bobo12b2o$7b2o2bo$7bo4bo$7bo4bo$7b
o$8bobob2o5b2o48bo$9b2ob2o6bo9bo3b2o34b2o$20bobo7b2o2b2o33b2o$6b3o12b
2o8bo$108b2o$13b2o89b4ob2o$13b2o24bobo3bobo56b6o$34bo4bobo6bo56b4o$b2o
29bo3bo2bo2b2o3bo$b2o24b2o2bo11bobo74b2o$27b3o7bo2bo3bo73b2ob2o$12bo8b
2o4bo2bo6bo3b2obo59bo9bo3b4o$8b2o4bo5bobo7bo5b2o3b2o2b2o56bo11bo3b2o$
8b4o2bo5bo10bo4bo7bo58b3o7bo2bo$13bo5b2o11b3o2bo77bo3b2o$11bo102bo3b4o
$10bo107b2ob2o$7b2ob2o12bo61bo18b2o13b2o$8bobo11b2o61bo17bo4bo$9bo13b
2o41bo2bo15b3o21bo$65bo37bo5bo$2b2o7b2o7bo44bo3bo34b6o$3bo7bo9b2o21b4o
17b4o21b2o$3o9b3o5b2o21bo3bo41b2o$o13bo9b3o20bo43bo$26bo16bo2bo$25bo
62bo40b2o$88b2o35b4ob2o$5b2o4b2o16b2o56bobo18b2o15b6o$5bobo3b2o3bo12bo
77b2o17b4o9bo2bo$4b2o8b2ob2o8bobo79bo33bo$8bo5b2ob2o8b2o110bo3bo$6b3o
4b2o2b2o3b2o70bo36bo3bo4b4o$6bobo5bobo4bo2bo69b2o8b4o23bo4b2o$2bo3bo2b
o5bo4bo3bo68bobo7bo3bo18b2o7b3o$bobob5o11bo2bo82bo17b2o9b2o$2bo3b2obo
10bo3bo78bo2bo20bo7bo4b4o$20bo2bo115bo3bo$19bo80b3o14b2o24bo$19bo7b2o
71b3o13b4o19bo2bo$14b2o3b2o6bobo69bo3bo12b2ob2o$14b2o13bo71b2o6bo2bo5b
2o6b6o$29b2o67bo10bo3bo11bo5bo$94bo3b2ob2o5bo4b2o16bo$93bobo5b2o6bo3bo
11bo4bo$92bo3b2o2bo2bo5bo2bo5b2o7b2o$100bo2bo12b2ob2o$93bo5bo3bo12b4o$
95b7o15b2o2$106b6o$105bo5bo$111bo$97bo2bo4bo4bo$101bo5b2o$97bo3bo$98b
4o!
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x = 161, y = 101, rule = B3/S23
25bo$25bo$25bo$25bo$23b2o$22bo$9bo12bo$8b2o3$27bo$24b3o3$bo22b3o$2o22b
3o$22b2ob2o$22bo$22b3o5$33bo$30b2obo2$31bo$29b2o24bo$31bo22bobo2b2o8b
2o$53bo3b4o$56bo8bobobo$51b2obo11bo2bo$52bobo11bo$44bo8bo$43b2o3$63bob
o$63bo2bo2bo7bobo$63bob2obobo5b2ob2o$69bo6b2obo$61b3o11bo$61b3o12bo$
37bo24bo13bo$37bobobo82bo$38b3obo79bo2bo$41bo80b5o$41b2o78b4ob2o$41bo
83b2o$42b2o$46bo89b2o$45bobo88b3o$46b2o87b2ob2o$42b2o93b2o$41bobo89bo$
41bo6bo25bo56bobo$40b2o5b2o24b2o58bo$137b2o$135b2ob2o$136b3o$136b2o$
121b6o$65bo42b4o8bo5bo$64b2o42bo3bo13bo$108bo16bo$109bo$145bo$122bo20b
o2bo$121b2o20b5o$142b4ob2o$146b2o2$157b4o$156bo3bo$123bo36bo$124bo27bo
6bo$120bo3bo29b3o$121b4o27bo6bo$160bo$156bo3bo$157b4o$135b2o$81bo51b2o
b2o9bo$80b2o47bo3b4o11bo$127b2obo3b2o6bo5bo$127bo3bo11b6o$76b2o17bo8bo
22b2obo3b2o$77bo16b2o4bo3bo24bo3b4o$77bobo19b2obo30b2ob2o$78b2o55b2o$
99b2o$84bo14bo27bo$82b2o13bo2bo3b2o22bo$83bo13bo3b5o16bo5bo$97bo25b6o$
84b2o$115b4o$78b2o34bo3bo$77bobo12bo25bo$77bo13b2o24bo$76b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 7th, 2022, 8:35 am
by muzik
I'm not sure if this would permit a reduction of the current 18G synthesis?
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x = 21, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
4bo11bo$4b2o9b2o$2bo3bo7bo3bo$4bobo7bobo$6bo7bo$6bo7bo$7bo5bo$6b2o5b2o
5$6b9o$2o17b2o$2o17b2o$9b3o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 7th, 2022, 11:09 am
by mniemiec
muzik wrote: December 7th, 2022, 8:35 amI'm not sure if this would permit a reduction of the current 18G synthesis? ...
You don't need that whole complicated part at the bottom; just use the two pieces at the top to create the pseudo-still-life from two mirrored still-lifes, and the 2-glider diehard to provide a spark to cleanly add the 1-bit bridge.
Re: Conway's Life Exploratorium
Posted: December 11th, 2022, 8:28 am
by ChrisTheBeachBum
Hi all, Newbie Chris here, I would love your feedback on the below experimentation with centered and asymmetric streams of dots representing the Fibonacci Series. Please note, to achieve symmetry you will always need +1 Fibonacci number on the right hand side.
x = 25, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
28657ob17711ob10946ob6765ob4181ob2584ob1597ob987ob610ob377ob233ob144ob89ob55ob34ob21ob13ob8ob5ob3ob2oboboobobob2ob3ob5ob8ob13ob21ob34ob55ob89ob144ob233ob377ob610ob987ob1597ob2584ob4181ob6765ob10946ob17711ob28657ob46368!
Have a nice day,
Chris
Re: Conway's Life Exploratorium
Posted: December 11th, 2022, 10:05 am
by dvgrn
ChrisTheBeachBum wrote: December 11th, 2022, 8:28 am
Hi all, Newbie Chris here, I would love your feedback on the below experimentation with centered and asymmetric streams of dots representing the Fibonacci Series. Please note, to achieve symmetry you will always need +1 Fibonacci number on the right hand side.
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x = 25, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
28657ob17711ob10946ob6765ob4181ob2584ob1597ob987ob610ob377ob233ob144ob89ob55ob34ob21ob13ob8ob5ob3ob2oboboobobob2ob3ob5ob8ob13ob21ob34ob55ob89ob144ob233ob377ob610ob987ob1597ob2584ob4181ob6765ob10946ob17711ob28657ob46368!
Have a nice day,
Chris
Welcome to the forums! I've moved this post over to a thread where it won't be off-topic.
You seem to have gotten RLE figured out, except that the "x = 25" at the top is more than a little misleading -- the one-line pattern is actually so big that it won't fit in LifeViewer. The usual thing is to surround RLE with "code" tags (in square brackets -- use the
</> button in the forum editor to make them appear around a selection). I've done that in the quoted message above.
There's another useful trick for handling patterns of this size. Golly can run them more efficiently -- especially in the second half of the evolution -- using its "HashLife" algorithm instead of the "QuickLife" algo which is the default for RLEs. So to publish this in the most convenient format for people to copy into Golly and try out, you would save the pattern in Golly in macrocell format:
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[M2] (golly 4.2b1)
#R B3/S23
$$$$$$$********$
4 0 0 1 1
5 0 0 2 2
6 0 0 3 3
7 0 0 4 4
8 0 0 5 5
9 0 0 6 6
10 0 0 7 7
11 0 0 8 8
12 0 0 9 9
13 0 0 10 10
14 0 0 11 11
$$$$$$$*.******$
4 0 0 13 1
5 0 0 2 14
6 0 0 3 15
7 0 0 4 16
8 0 0 5 17
9 0 0 6 18
10 0 0 7 19
11 0 0 8 20
12 0 0 9 21
13 0 0 22 10
14 0 0 11 23
15 0 0 12 24
5 0 0 14 2
6 0 0 3 26
7 0 0 27 4
8 0 0 28 5
9 0 0 6 29
10 0 0 30 7
11 0 0 8 31
12 0 0 32 9
13 0 0 10 33
14 0 0 11 34
$$$$$$$****.***$
4 0 0 36 1
5 0 0 37 2
6 0 0 3 38
7 0 0 4 39
8 0 0 5 40
9 0 0 6 41
10 0 0 7 42
11 0 0 8 43
12 0 0 9 44
13 0 0 10 45
$$$$$$$**.*****$
4 0 0 47 1
5 0 0 2 48
6 0 0 49 3
7 0 0 4 50
8 0 0 51 5
9 0 0 52 6
10 0 0 7 53
11 0 0 54 8
12 0 0 9 55
13 0 0 10 56
14 0 0 46 57
15 0 0 35 58
16 0 0 25 59
$$$$$$$.*******$
4 0 0 1 61
5 0 0 62 2
6 0 0 3 63
7 0 0 64 4
8 0 0 5 65
9 0 0 66 6
10 0 0 7 67
11 0 0 68 8
12 0 0 9 69
6 0 0 26 3
7 0 0 4 71
8 0 0 5 72
9 0 0 73 6
10 0 0 74 7
11 0 0 8 75
$$$$$$$*******$
4 0 0 1 77
5 0 0 2 78
6 0 0 3 79
7 0 0 4 80
8 0 0 5 81
9 0 0 82 6
10 0 0 7 83
$$$$$$$***.****$
4 0 0 1 85
5 0 0 2 86
6 0 0 87 3
7 0 0 4 88
8 0 0 5 89
9 0 0 90 6
10 0 0 7 91
11 0 0 84 92
12 0 0 76 93
13 0 0 70 94
$$$$$$$******.*$
4 0 0 1 96
5 0 0 2 97
6 0 0 3 98
7 0 0 99 4
8 0 0 100 5
9 0 0 6 101
5 0 0 2 62
6 0 0 3 103
7 0 0 104 4
8 0 0 5 105
5 0 0 48 2
6 0 0 3 107
7 0 0 108 4
8 0 0 5 109
9 0 0 106 110
10 0 0 102 111
4 0 0 85 1
5 0 0 2 113
6 0 0 3 114
7 0 0 115 4
$$$$$$$*****.**$
4 0 0 1 117
5 0 0 118 2
6 0 0 119 3
4 0 0 117 1
5 0 0 121 2
5 0 0 62 97
6 0 0 122 123
7 0 0 120 124
8 0 0 116 125
4 0 0 1 36
$$$$$$$***.***$
4 0 0 117 128
5 0 0 127 129
$$$$$$$**.*.**$
$$$$$$$*.*.**.*$
4 0 0 131 132
4 0 0 47 61
5 0 0 133 134
6 0 0 130 135
4 0 0 13 77
5 0 0 137 2
6 0 0 138 122
7 0 0 136 139
6 0 0 63 3
4 0 0 61 1
5 0 0 142 2
6 0 0 143 3
7 0 0 141 144
8 0 0 140 145
9 0 0 126 146
4 0 0 1 47
5 0 0 2 148
6 0 0 149 3
7 0 0 150 4
5 0 0 86 2
6 0 0 3 152
7 0 0 153 4
8 0 0 151 154
5 0 0 2 121
6 0 0 156 3
7 0 0 157 4
8 0 0 5 158
9 0 0 155 159
10 0 0 147 160
11 0 0 112 161
5 0 0 78 2
6 0 0 163 3
7 0 0 164 4
8 0 0 165 5
9 0 0 6 166
6 0 0 3 49
7 0 0 4 168
8 0 0 169 5
9 0 0 6 170
10 0 0 167 171
5 0 0 97 2
6 0 0 173 3
7 0 0 4 174
8 0 0 175 5
9 0 0 6 176
10 0 0 7 177
11 0 0 172 178
12 0 0 162 179
5 0 0 127 2
6 0 0 181 3
7 0 0 182 4
8 0 0 5 183
9 0 0 6 184
10 0 0 185 7
11 0 0 8 186
6 0 0 3 122
7 0 0 188 4
8 0 0 5 189
9 0 0 6 190
10 0 0 7 191
11 0 0 8 192
12 0 0 187 193
13 0 0 180 194
14 0 0 95 195
6 0 0 3 87
7 0 0 4 197
8 0 0 5 198
9 0 0 6 199
10 0 0 7 200
11 0 0 8 201
12 0 0 9 202
13 0 0 203 10
4 0 0 1 13
5 0 0 205 2
6 0 0 3 206
7 0 0 4 207
8 0 0 208 5
9 0 0 209 6
10 0 0 7 210
11 0 0 211 8
12 0 0 9 212
13 0 0 213 10
14 0 0 204 214
15 0 0 196 215
6 0 0 3 181
7 0 0 217 4
8 0 0 218 5
9 0 0 6 219
10 0 0 220 7
11 0 0 8 221
12 0 0 222 9
13 0 0 10 223
14 0 0 224 11
5 0 0 2 127
6 0 0 226 3
7 0 0 4 227
8 0 0 228 5
9 0 0 229 6
10 0 0 7 230
11 0 0 231 8
12 0 0 9 232
13 0 0 10 233
14 0 0 234 11
15 0 0 225 235
16 0 0 216 236
17 0 0 60 237
$$$$$$$******$
4 0 0 1 239
5 0 0 240 0
6 0 0 241 0
7 0 0 4 242
8 0 0 243 0
9 0 0 244 0
10 0 0 7 245
11 0 0 246 0
12 0 0 9 247
13 0 0 248 0
14 0 0 249 0
15 0 0 12 250
16 0 0 251 0
17 0 0 252 0
18 0 0 238 253
19 0 254 0 0
LifeViewer doesn't support .mc macrocell files, but your pattern is so wide that LifeViewer can't handle it anyway.
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While I'm at it, I might as well copy in here my response to a recent email from you:
In an email, ChrisTheBeachBum wrote:Sent: Wednesday 7 December 2022 17:58
Subject: Life pattern
Hi Dave,
I was just scouring your website and I find it impressive, thank you!
I was playing with patterns out of curiosity and I came across one I find interesting, and I wasn't able to find anything related.
My idea is to sequence Fibonacci numbers by numbers of neighbouring dots, try this one here please:
........ ..... ... .. . .
It gets weirder by how many iterations you add...
In an email, dvgrn wrote:Aha, you seem to have discovered the amazing world of symmetrical CA patterns! I've tried out your two examples. Here's the format that Lifenthusiasts usually use to send this kind of thing around via email:
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x = 25, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
8ob5ob3ob2obobo!
and
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x = 49, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo2$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo2$24b
o$24bo$24bo2$24bo$24bo2$24bo2$8ob5ob3ob2obobobob2ob3ob5ob8o2$24bo2$24b
o$24bo2$24bo$24bo$24bo2$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo2$24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo$
24bo$24bo$24bo$24bo!
You can paste those "RLE strings" in to Golly or LifeViewer, for example -- e.g., click the "Show Advanced Options" here, paste your pattern, and click "Update LifeViewer":
https://conwaylife.com/
If you draw more of your own patterns, you can retrieve an RLE encoding of them from LifeViewer using the Copy option (or Ctrl+C).
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Not too surprisingly, investigation of extensible patterns -- like what you're trying with your Fibonnacci-sequence line segments -- got started very early on in the 1970s.
The increasing weirdness from adding longer line segments is mostly due to long line segments causing increasingly impressive explosions the longer they are -- whether they're in company with other Fibonnacci-length lines or not. For example, you get four pulsars out of either length 41 or length 135 -- but in very different ways, and in the length-135 version two of the pulsars are temporary:
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/One-cell-thick_pattern
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x = 135, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
135o!
Along similar lines, the long history of these kinds of experiments means that I know off of the top of my head that if you start with a filled block that's exactly 83 ON cells on a side, you happen to end up with a final pattern that contains both period-2 blinkers and period-6
unix oscillators:
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x = 83, y = 83, rule = B3/S23
83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$
83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$
83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$
83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$
83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o$83o!
Keep the cheer,
Dave
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: December 14th, 2022, 7:04 pm
by squareroot12621
These might be good starting points for conduits:
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x = 80, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
80F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F
$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F
10.2A26.2F15.2A21.F$F11.A26.2F6.3D6.2A21.F$F11.A.A24.2F6.2D30.F$F12.
2A24.2F6.D.D29.F$F38.2F9.2D27.F$F38.2F11.D26.F$F38.2F12.2D24.F$F26.2A
10.2F14.D23.F$F26.2A10.2F13.D2.2A12.2A6.F$F38.2F12.D4.2A11.2A6.F$F12.
A9.2D14.2F11.D5.A20.F$F12.A.A7.2D14.2F8.D.D27.F$F12.3A23.2F8.2D28.F$F
14.A23.2F8.3D27.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F
38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.F$F38.2F38.
F$F38.2F38.F$80F!