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I'm saying that in the current language, "to sleep" and "to at-sleep" only differ by a promotion affix and have the same meaning except that "to at-sleep" uses its direct object as a location. This video and the next have some information about how to evolve a language. I'd like to make this language more complete before evolving it though.

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 4:59 am I'm saying that in the current language, "to sleep" and "to at-sleep" only differ by a promotion affix and have the same meaning except that "to at-sleep" uses its direct object as a location. This video and the next have some information about how to evolve a language. I'd like to make this language more complete before evolving it though.

Well of course we shouldn't evolve it yet. How should we make relative clauses?

Latin uses an inflecting relative pronoun (like English "to/of/etc which", but with cases). Maybe we could do that?

what is case mark?

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 5:25 am Latin uses an inflecting relative pronoun (like English "to/of/etc which", but with cases). Maybe we could do that?

How does that work? Also, should there be a difference between <that>, <who>, <where>, and <when> in relative clauses? If yes, should we reuse the question words like in English and French or find another way?

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 25th, 2020, 5:37 am

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 5:25 am Latin uses an inflecting relative pronoun (like English "to/of/etc which", but with cases). Maybe we could do that?

How does that work? Also, should there be a difference between <that>, <who>, <where>, and <when> in relative clauses? If yes, should we reuse the question words like in English and French or find another way?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/qui#Pronoun_8, so "homō cui dedī" <the person I gave to> (probably). I think "where" and "when" should use the locative case of "that", with "who" staying separate, and that we should use different words for questions and relative pronouns.

How to say or subsitute "is"?

<saitai> "to be", example inflected form <saihanein> "is (inanimate)"

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 5:46 am https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/qui#Pronoun_8, so "homō cui dedī" <the person I gave to> (probably). I think "where" and "when" should use the locative case of "that", with "who" staying separate, and that we should use different words for questions and relative pronouns.

Will <that> be a word or a suffix? I prefer word. I don't think the question who and relative clause who should be the same word.

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:01 am <saitai> "to be", example inflected form <saihanein> "is (inanimate)"

Can you break <saihanein> apart? I don't know of any word that means inanimate. What happened to the t a the end of <saitai>?

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:01 am <saitai> "to be", example inflected form <saihanein> "is (inanimate)"

So we have animate and inanimate form of every word?

Not every word, but probably quite a few (third person verbs, question words, and relative pronouns so far)

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:16 am Not every word, but probably quite a few (third person verbs, question words, and relative pronouns so far)

We don't have it for nouns, right? Also, please answer my question.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:07 am

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 5:46 am https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/qui#Pronoun_8, so "homō cui dedī" <the person I gave to> (probably). I think "where" and "when" should use the locative case of "that", with "who" staying separate, and that we should use different words for questions and relative pronouns.

Will <that> be a word or a suffix? I prefer word.

Probably a word.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:07 am I don't think the question who and relative clause who should be the same word.

Yep.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:07 am

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:01 am <saitai> "to be", example inflected form <saihanein> "is (inanimate)"

Can you break <saihanein> apart? I don't know of any word that means inanimate. What happened to the t a the end of <saitai>?

Yes, there should be a /t/ there. <sait-han-ein> "be-PRES-3INAN"

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:20 am

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:16 am Not every word, but probably quite a few (third person verbs, question words, and relative pronouns so far)

We don't have it for nouns, right?

Nouns are not inflected for animate/inanimate.

Could you please repost some suffixes? I'm going to add them to my user page.

and passive <-(s)o->

fluffykitty wrote: November 25th, 2020, 6:50 am

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Person suffixes	
First person		-et
Second person		-o
Third person animate	-ei
Third person inanimate	-ein

Infinitive			(m)ay
Simple present			han
Continuous present		(X/l)eihc
Simple future			(S/l)uh
Continuous future		(H/h)em

Fricative/stop	Singular	Plural	Nasal/approx	Singular	Plural	Monophthong	Singular	Plural
Nominative	-e		-oi	Nominative			-e	Nominative			-(l)u
Accusative				Accusative	-Sa		-e	Accusative	-s		-n
Genitive	-Ha		-Si	Genitive	-Ho		-oi	Genitive	-ne		-noi
Dative		-Fu		-Foi	Dative		-Xu		-Xoi	Dative		-l		-(m)it
Instrumental	-Ho		-Si	Instrumental	-Ho		-oi	Instrumental	-ni		-ne
Locative	-Ha		-Foi	Locative	-Ho		-Xoi	Locative	-ne		-(m)it

and passive <-(s)o->

I can't put these in a table unfortunately because the syntax to make tables and suffixes both use dashes.
Edit: There is a part on how to put negative numbers, so the problem should probably be solved.

Okay. We should make more words, like <nwail> "cat" and <pli> "person". Also, do adjectives precede or follow nouns?

fluffykitty wrote: November 26th, 2020, 3:55 am Okay. We should make more words, like <nwail> "cat" and <pli> "person". Also, do adjectives precede or follow nouns?

We could have it change meaning like in French <homme pauvre> <poor man (monetarily)> while <pauvre homme> <poor man (normal meaning)>. Usually when it comes after it has a more literal meaning.

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 26th, 2020, 4:07 am

fluffykitty wrote: November 26th, 2020, 3:55 am Okay. We should make more words, like <nwail> "cat" and <pli> "person". Also, do adjectives precede or follow nouns?

We could have it change meaning like in French <homme pauvre> <poor man (monetarily)> while <pauvre homme> <poor man (normal meaning)>. Usually when it comes after it has a more literal meaning.

I suppose we could do that. (Also, that was your 1111th post.)

Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 26th, 2020, 4:07 am

fluffykitty wrote: November 26th, 2020, 3:55 am Okay. We should make more words, like <nwail> "cat" and <pli> "person". Also, do adjectives precede or follow nouns?

We could have it change meaning like in French <homme pauvre> <poor man (monetarily)> while <pauvre homme> <poor man (normal meaning)>. Usually when it comes after it has a more literal meaning.

Your 1111st post.

We could also have it in the middle.

In the middle of what?

Hunting wrote: November 26th, 2020, 4:26 am We could also have it in the middle.

fluffykitty wrote: November 26th, 2020, 4:32 am In the middle of what?

I was wondering that too.

fluffykitty wrote: November 26th, 2020, 4:22 am (Also, that was your 1111th post.)

Hunting wrote: November 26th, 2020, 4:26 am Your 1111st post.

Nice.

Do you have any proposals for expanding the lexicon? Some obvious choices are animals and body parts (from which we can derive sense verbs using the instrumental+verb endings).

fluffykitty wrote: November 26th, 2020, 4:48 am Do you have any proposals for expanding the lexicon? Some obvious choices are animals and body parts (from which we can derive sense verbs using the instrumental+verb endings).

I was thinking body parts too. Not all body parts have an obvious/primary function like fingers, arms, mouth etc, so we shouldn't have every single body part be a "tool" for a verb. Calling a mouth "eater" would shadow that it is also used for speaking or other body parts also help with eating, so it might be kind of ambiguous.