Poll: Should the term "dependent reflector" be made to include reflectors that accept a range of timings?

For discussion directly related to LifeWiki.

The term "dependent reflector" should...

INCLUDE reflectors that require the next object to appear between gens a and b
23
68%
EXCLUDE reflectors that require the next object to appear between gens a and b
6
18%
NO PREFERENCE / check results
5
15%
 
Total votes: 34

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Re: Poll: Should the term "dependent reflector" be made to include reflectors that accept a range of timings?

Post by confocaloid »

Hippo.69 wrote: July 23rd, 2024, 11:09 am [...] (If I go a bit further the stream ending by an eater (no stabilisation function) and the gun creating the stream of the same frequency ... is too far from the circuit I would call a * reflector). [...]
There is an idea that was mentioned by others in earlier discussion. The idea is that components / devices can be viewed as "black boxes", like this:

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It may be initially unknown what will be "inside the box". Or there may be an initial "prototype component", that will be replaced later, so one is not allowed to rely on implementation details. A design would only specify that the component is guaranteed to produce the output p59 glider stream on a specific lane with a specific schedule, as long as an uninterrupted input p59 glider stream is fed into it on another specific lane with a specific schedule. (What happens if the input does not satisfy these requirements is left unspecified; it is an implementation detail. The thing might explode, or it might continue emitting gliders, or it might cleanly self-destruct, or it might do something else.)

As long as one does not rely on "internal implementation details" while using a component like this, there is no functional difference between a glider gun engine supported by a periodic glider stream, and a trivial combination of an eater and a gun. In a finished working pattern, one implementation can be freely replaced with another implementation (whenever such a replacement makes sense and is possible geometrically), without breaking anything.
Hippo.69 wrote: July 23rd, 2024, 11:09 am [...] But I am not too much fixed on terminology, "the patterns speak for themselves".

But yes, I think about patterns in physical meaning ... about glider reflectors rather the signal reflectors.
I can imagine only "create an oscialtor task", where I could end up with a periodic stream of gliders, wanting the stream in another phase/position/direction. [...]
In a nontrivial construction, there can be several periodic streams following different tracks. A construction may become nontrivial, and still remain entirely within the "physical level of understanding", without having any logic or choices. For example, the following engineered glider gun uses a dependent reflector (as well as other components):

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Re: Poll: Should the term "dependent reflector" be made to include reflectors that accept a range of timings?

Post by Hippo.69 »

confocaloid wrote: July 23rd, 2024, 12:15 pm There is an idea that was mentioned by others in earlier discussion. The idea is that components / devices can be viewed as "black boxes", like this:

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It may be initially unknown what will be "inside the box". Or there may be an initial "prototype component", that will be replaced later, so one is not allowed to rely on implementation details. A design would only specify that the component is guaranteed to produce the output p59 glider stream on a specific lane with a specific schedule, as long as an uninterrupted input p59 glider stream is fed into it on another specific lane with a specific schedule. (What happens if the input does not satisfy these requirements is left unspecified; it is an implementation detail. The thing might explode, or it might continue emitting gliders, or it might cleanly self-destruct, or it might do something else.)

As long as one does not rely on "internal implementation details" while using a component like this, there is no functional difference between a glider gun engine supported by a periodic glider stream, and a trivial combination of an eater and a gun. In a finished working pattern, one implementation can be freely replaced with another implementation (whenever such a replacement makes sense and is possible geometrically), without breaking anything.
Hippo.69 wrote: July 23rd, 2024, 11:09 am [...] But I am not too much fixed on terminology, "the patterns speak for themselves".

But yes, I think about patterns in physical meaning ... about glider reflectors rather the signal reflectors.
I can imagine only "create an oscialtor task", where I could end up with a periodic stream of gliders, wanting the stream in another phase/position/direction. [...]
In a nontrivial construction, there can be several periodic streams following different tracks. A construction may become nontrivial, and still remain entirely within the "physical level of understanding", without having any logic or choices. For example, the following engineered glider gun uses a dependent reflector (as well as other components):

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#C Source: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=153800#p153800
x = 137, y = 86, rule = B3/S23
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I understand that eater-gun black box specification could be missinterpreted as a reflector specification.

Yes, there could be space restrictions where eater-gun is better solution than a reflector what could be usefull in creating oscilators (with possible periodic output(s)). So pattern speaks for itself and it is not important if the author thinks about *reflector or an eater-gun when optimizing it.

... just the no-reflector eater-gun would be difficult to use when logical signal reflection is needed.
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Re: Poll: Should the term "dependent reflector" be made to include reflectors that accept a range of timings?

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I think dependent reflector is not a good name and want to rename it dependent gun unless a reflector's output is based on its input.
Replicating or dying, that is a question.
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Re: Poll: Should the term "dependent reflector" be made to include reflectors that accept a range of timings?

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g0t0 wrote: September 14th, 2026, 9:10 pm I think dependent reflector is not a good name and want to rename it dependent gun unless a reflector's output is based on its input.
That would be a dependent converter. Most of the time the output is the same as the input though. (A glider)
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