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Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: December 9th, 2021, 9:47 pm
by Aleph
Wyirm wrote: December 9th, 2021, 8:19 pm
E-to-Pi with no possible output, a sacrificial block, and an extra blinker.
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x = 22, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7b2o5bo$6bobo5b3o$2b2o2bo10bo$2bobob2o8b2o$4bo$4b4o$2b2o3bo$bo2b3o4b2o
$bobo7b2o$2ob2o$3bo15b2o$3bobo12b2o$4b2o13b3o!
Well, this may help resolve the output issue, though it's still probably not enough.
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x = 18, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
10bo$10b3o$13bo$2o10b2o$bo$bobo$2b2o$7b2o$7b2o2$15b2o$14b2o$15b3o!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: December 14th, 2021, 12:05 am
by cvojan
Is there a catalyst that can replace the yellow block?
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x = 26, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
2.2E6.3C$2.2E$8.C5.C$8.C5.C$8.C5.C2$10.3C4$2C$.2C20.3D$2C21.3D$C21.D.
D$22.2D!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: December 14th, 2021, 5:34 pm
by Wyirm
cvojan wrote: December 14th, 2021, 12:05 am
Is there a catalyst that can replace the yellow block?
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x = 26, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
2.2E6.3C$2.2E$8.C5.C$8.C5.C$8.C5.C2$10.3C4$2C$.2C20.3D$2C21.3D$C21.D.
D$22.2D!
I'm certainly no expert on conduits, but it appears that the block getting destroyed is part of the sequence responsible for restoring the TL, it may need to be restored later, and I don't know of any block restoring catalysts out there. there may be a bellman catalyst to replace the block for something permanent but again, I'm no expert on conduits
Also, this handles the extra block on the bottom
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x = 26, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
2.2E6.3C$2.2E$8.C5.C$8.C5.C$8.C5.C2$10.3C4$2C$.2C20.3D$2C21.3D$C21.D.
D$22.2D5$9.2A$9.2A!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: December 15th, 2021, 12:09 pm
by C28
partial ULx76Lw with a sacrificial block and a ship to clean
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x = 16, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o7b2o$11b2o4$6b3o$6b3o$5bobo$5b2o$14b2o$14b2o9$14b2o$10bo
3b2o$9bobo$8bobo$8bo$7b2o!
edit: misspelt a word.
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: December 15th, 2021, 12:20 pm
by dvgrn
C28 wrote: December 15th, 2021, 12:09 pm
partial ULx76Lw with a sacrificial block and a ship to clean...
It would sure be nice to come up with a workable X-to-LWSS. But it just doesn't seem like enough thought is being put into where these U-turners are supposed to be coming from. If we had a workable X-to-U-turner conduit that searches could start from, then U-to-something conduits (that connected to something that produces Us) would start to look a lot more plausable.
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: December 15th, 2021, 12:56 pm
by C28
dvgrn wrote: December 15th, 2021, 12:20 pm
It would sure be nice to come up with a workable X-to-LWSS. But it just doesn't seem like enough thought is being put into where these U-turners are supposed to be coming from. If we had a workable X-to-U-turner conduit that searches could start from, then U-to-something conduits (that connected to something that produces Us) would start to look a lot more plausable.
well to be fair, we don't have many X to U converters to work with, so i'm basically hoping that someone else can find connecting X-to-Us.
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Posted: December 16th, 2021, 12:03 pm
by Wyirm
ihatecorderships wrote: December 9th, 2021, 9:03 pm
Pi to B with two extra should-be-deletable blocks
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x = 19, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o5$17b2o$10b3o4b2o$10bobo$10bobo!
This is extremely close to being a viable conduit, either we find a replacement for the beehive or a way to restore the block.
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x = 20, y = 24, rule = triplelife
4.2D.D$4.D.2D2$5.5D$2D2.D4.D$D2.D2.D$.D.D.2D$2D.D5.D9.D$3.D4.EAD6.3D$
3.2D2.D.AD5.D$8.DE.A3.AED$10.2A2.A2.A$.E13.2A$.3E$4.E$3.2E12.2E$17.2E
4$18.2E$11.3E4.2E$11.E.E$11.E.E!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: December 19th, 2021, 3:11 pm
by cvojan
Partial micro syringe that turns a blinker into a boat:
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x = 26, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
15.A$16.2A$15.2A5$21.C$20.C.C$20.C.C$21.C$D$3D$D.D$2.D4$23.D$22.DACA$
23.2D!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: December 19th, 2021, 4:27 pm
by C28
partial Dove to U-turner
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x = 22, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
7b2o10b2o$6bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo$6b3o2b6o2b3o$9b10o$8bo10bo$8b2o8b2o$2b2o$b
o2bo$o2bo$3o!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: January 4th, 2022, 11:42 pm
by cvojan
P to G6 pair + a lot of debris:
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x = 25, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
12.C$11.3C$11.C.C3$12.C$12.C$12.C2$12.D$12.D.D$12.2D$16.2C$16.2C$.D$D
$3D2$16.2C3.2C$17.C3.C$14.3C5.3C$14.C9.C!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: January 5th, 2022, 10:42 pm
by cvojan
Almost a P(2n-1) G-to-LWSS, but two still lives are left behind well within the reaction:
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x = 47, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
24.B$23.3B$8.C9.2C3.3B$8.3C6.B2CB.5B$11.C5.B.2B.5B3.B$10.2C5.3B.7B.4B
$10.4B2.17B$12.22B4.BC$2C9.23B3.2CB$.C8.25B.2B2C$.C.CB3.31B$2.2CB.32B
$4.25BD10B$4.24BDBD10B$4.24BDBD9B$5.24BD10B$2C5.33B$.C5.14B2D13BD2BD
7B$.C.CB.14BDBD17BD6B$2.2CB.14B2D14BD3BD6B$4.33B4D6B$3.44B$4.37B$2.2C
B.34B$.C.CB.BA32B$.C4.DCDB2.2B.9B2C5B2.6B$2C5.A2B6.7BC2BC3B3.7B$18.6B
2C3B5.6B$19.10B4.6B$20.9B5.5B$18.3B.7B5.6B$18.2C3.6B5.6B$19.C3.7B4.5B
$16.3C4.6B5.5B$16.C6.6B6.3B$25.3B7.3B$26.2B8.B!
Here is the core reaction:
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x = 26, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo$2b2o$23b3o$23bobo$23bobo$2b2o$bobo3bo$bo5bo$2o5bo!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: January 6th, 2022, 8:18 am
by dvgrn
cvojan wrote: January 5th, 2022, 10:42 pm
Almost a P(2n-1) G-to-LWSS, but two still lives are left behind well within the reaction...
Drat, that's
almost an improvement on what we have available, oddly enough -- it's weird that reasonably small fast X-to-LWSS conduits have been so elusive for so long. Three non-synchronized unidirectional gliders isn't terribly expensive as an input, though two would be a lot better:
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x = 50, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
49bo$47b2o$38bo9b2o$37bo$37b3o$8bo9b2o$8b3o7b2o$11bo16bo$10b2o15bo$27b
3o2$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o$29bo$28bobo$28bobo$29bo$2o$bo19b2o$bobo16bobo$2b2o
16b2o4$2b2o$bobo3bo$bo5bo16b2o$2o5bo15bo2bo$24b2o4$18b2o$19bo$16b3o$
16bo!
Unfortunately that blinker gets rephased by the reaction, which definitely limits the possible uses of this mechanism even more than a blinker usually does.
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: January 21st, 2022, 12:17 pm
by Wyirm
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x = 32, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
24.A$25.2A$24.2A3$19.2A$19.A.A$20.A9.C$29.C.C$29.C.C$30.C$9.D$2A7.3D$
2A7.D.D$11.D6$29.2A$29.2A!
modified version of the micro syringe, still incomplete but opens some options.
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: March 6th, 2022, 3:22 pm
by C28
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x = 20, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
8b2o2$9bo2b2o$10b3o$11bo2$18bo$17bobo$18bo7$10b2o$9bo2bo$2b2o6b2o$bob
o$bo$2o!
restoring the beehive is more difficult than it may seem
edit: maybe
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x = 23, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b3o$b3o$obo$2o3$11bobo2bobo$7b2obo2bo2bo2bob2o$11bobo2bobo4$7b2o$7bob
o$9bo$9b2o!
edit 2: partial U to R
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x = 28, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
2bo$2b3o$5bo$4b2o$15b3o$15b3o$14bobo$14b2o2$2o$2o3$21b2obo$21b2ob3o$27b
o$21b2ob3o$8b2o12bobo$9bo12bobo$6b3o14bo$6bo!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: July 27th, 2022, 3:22 pm
by Anivec
Insane partial:
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x = 42, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory
41.A$26.2BAB9.3A$22.AB.2BABA8.A$21.A.A2BA2BA.3B4.2A$21.2A.3B2A11B$25.
4B.8B$29.8B2A$29.8B2A$15.2A11.10B$9.2A3.B2AB9.8B$10.A4.2B10.8B$10.A.A
B2.3B.B7.8B$11.2AB.8B3.10B$13.24B$12.28B$A8.B.29B$3A5.2AB.29B$3.A3.B2A
31B$2.2A4.33B$2.5B2.31B$4.36B$3.2A32B$3.2A3B3C24B$4.B.2BCBC24B$6.2BCB
C16B.7B$9.25B.2B$11.25B2A$14.2B2A18B2A$16.2A2B3.14B$18.B4.11B$23.11B$
24.11B$24.10B$25.8B!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: August 1st, 2022, 6:03 am
by Gustone
herschel flip
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x = 49, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
38.C$36.3C$35.C$35.2C4$8.D$2A6.D.D37.D$.2A5.3D.2C32.3D$2A8.D.2C32.D.D
$A45.D3$36.2C$36.C.C$38.C$38.2C$24.2C4.2C$25.C4.C$22.3C6.3C$22.C10.C!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: August 6th, 2022, 2:09 pm
by Anivec
Found this while looking for another syringe:
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x = 23, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
12.2A$12.2A5$2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A14$21.2C$21.2C11$19.2C$4.3A12.2C$6.A$5.A!
It would be a splitter if someone could get the block back.
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: October 5th, 2022, 3:17 pm
by C28
need a way to restore (for a lack of a better descriptor) the beehive.
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x = 32, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
21b2o3bo$10b3o7bo2bobobo2bo$10b3o7bob2obob4o$9bobo7b2o4bo$9b2o8bo2bob
ob5o$20bobobobobo2bo$21bo2bo2bo2b2o$20bobob2o$21b2obo2bo$19bo2bob4o$b
o17b2obobo$obo17bobo2b3o$obo17bobo4bo$bo19bo!
the catalyst recently mentioned in the catalyst discussion thread would work but part of it interferes too early.
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: October 14th, 2022, 6:04 pm
by Wyirm
This would be a nice HRx74B (I think)
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x = 33, y = 22, rule = LifeSuper
5.2A$4.A2.A16.2A$5.2A17.2A2$13.2A$13.2A5$4.A18.A$4.A.A16.A.A$4.3A5.2A
9.3A5.2A$6.A5.2A11.A5.2A6$D.2D15.D.2D$3D16.3D$.D18.D!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: October 14th, 2022, 7:02 pm
by Jormungant
Wyirm wrote: October 14th, 2022, 6:04 pm
This would be a nice HRx74B (I think)
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x = 33, y = 22, rule = LifeSuper
5.2A$4.A2.A16.2A$5.2A17.2A2$13.2A$13.2A5$4.A18.A$4.A.A16.A.A$4.3A5.2A
9.3A5.2A$6.A5.2A11.A5.2A6$D.2D15.D.2D$3D16.3D$.D18.D!
Well, it would be very difficult to use, but this works at least:
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x = 72, y = 69, rule = LifeHistory
9$44.C$44.3C$47.C11.A$46.2C10.A.A$57.A2.A$44.D13.2A4.3B$42.D.D18.4B$
42.3D9.2C6.4B$42.D9.B.2C2B3.4B$38.2A9.B2.B2.3B2.4B$37.B2AB$38.2B$33.B
3.2B$32.2AB.4B$32.2A8B$33.B.B2A6B2.2B2.2B$36.2A15BD$36.17BDBD$32.21B
3DB4.2A$32.23BD5.2A$31.2A21B$31.2A14B.B$32.B.11B$34.10B7.2B$35.12B3.
3B$34.14BD2B2D2B$35.14B3D4B2.2A.A$35.15BD7BA.2A$37.2B.4B3C10B$41.3B.C
5B2A4B$41.2B3C5B2A3B$46.10B$46.9B$46.9B$47.8B$46.8B$47.6B$47.6B$47.6B
$47.7B$48.6B$47.6B$48.5B$48.6B$48.6B$48.5B$48.2B3D$49.BDB$49.3D$50.B
5$3.2C$2.C.C$4.C!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: October 14th, 2022, 7:25 pm
by Kazyan
Wyirm wrote: October 14th, 2022, 6:04 pm
This would be a nice HRx74B (I think)
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x = 33, y = 22, rule = LifeSuper
5.2A$4.A2.A16.2A$5.2A17.2A2$13.2A$13.2A5$4.A18.A$4.A.A16.A.A$4.3A5.2A
9.3A5.2A$6.A5.2A11.A5.2A6$D.2D15.D.2D$3D16.3D$.D18.D!
Jormungant wrote: October 14th, 2022, 7:02 pmWell, it would be very difficult to use, but this works at least:
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x = 72, y = 69, rule = LifeHistory
9$44.C$44.3C$47.C11.A$46.2C10.A.A$57.A2.A$44.D13.2A4.3B$42.D.D18.4B$
42.3D9.2C6.4B$42.D9.B.2C2B3.4B$38.2A9.B2.B2.3B2.4B$37.B2AB$38.2B$33.B
3.2B$32.2AB.4B$32.2A8B$33.B.B2A6B2.2B2.2B$36.2A15BD$36.17BDBD$32.21B
3DB4.2A$32.23BD5.2A$31.2A21B$31.2A14B.B$32.B.11B$34.10B7.2B$35.12B3.
3B$34.14BD2B2D2B$35.14B3D4B2.2A.A$35.15BD7BA.2A$37.2B.4B3C10B$41.3B.C
5B2A4B$41.2B3C5B2A3B$46.10B$46.9B$46.9B$47.8B$46.8B$47.6B$47.6B$47.6B
$47.7B$48.6B$47.6B$48.5B$48.6B$48.6B$48.5B$48.2B3D$49.BDB$49.3D$50.B
5$3.2C$2.C.C$4.C!
Pseudo-stable completion with Tim Coe's p8; exact timing doesn't matter:
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x = 15, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
5.2A$5.2A3$4.BA$3.B3A$.B2AB2A$.A2BA$2.2BA$.2B$A2BA$.2A3.2A$6.2A8$5.A$
5.A.A$5.3A5.2A$7.A5.2A6$.D.2D$.3D$2.D!
This allows for a dramatic reduction to the p394 pseudo-gun (4745 area -> 2890 area!):
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x = 85, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
24b2o$17b2o5b2o$17b2o42b2o$53b2o6b2o$53bo$19b2o15bo17bo$19b2o15b3o14b
2o$13b2o24bo$13b2o23b2o$72b2o$72b2o5bo3b2o$80b2ob2o$50b2o26bobo$50b2o
27bo$73b2o2b3o$73b2o3$10b2o40bo$5b3o2b2o38b3o$5bo27b2o15bobo$4bobo26b
2o15bo$2ob2o$2o3bo5b2o$11b2o$70b2o$70b2o$30b2o32b2o$30bo33b2o$31bo$22b
2o6b2o$22b2o42b2o$59b2o5b2o$59b2o!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: October 17th, 2022, 1:34 pm
by Wyirm
Here's another h to b, this time with a block. Is there any way to replace the block? Maybe with a dependent R catalysis?
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x = 22, y = 26, rule = LifeSuper
7.2A$7.A.A$8.2A$4.2A$3.A.A$3.A13.2C$2.2A13.2C$7.2A4.B$7.2A3.3B$11.10B
$12.9B$11.9B2A$9.11B2A$7.12B.B$7.2BC8B$6.3BCBC4B$7.2B3C4B$6.5BC4B$5.
10B$4.4B$4.3B$2.4B$2.2A$3.A$3A$A!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: November 7th, 2022, 4:18 pm
by googleplex
can this r-r conduit link to anything?
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x = 31, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
7$27bo$25b3o$24bo$24b2o3$14b2o$15b2o$15bo$26bo$25bobo$9bob2o13bo$7b3o
b2o$6bo$7b3ob2o$9bobo$9bobo$10bo!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: November 7th, 2022, 6:58 pm
by squareroot12621
H-to-P with low output clearance; if a suitable 180° reflector is found, this will work.
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x = 38, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
33.A$32.A.A$32.A.A$31.2A.3A$37.A$31.2A.3A$31.2A.A5$22.D.D$19.C2.D.D5.
2A$19.C.C3D5.A.A$19.3C10.A$21.C10.2A3$18.F10$.2A$A.A$2.A!
Re: Thread for your speculative elementary conduits
Posted: November 8th, 2022, 7:43 pm
by C28
p15 H to U partial
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x = 24, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$16bo4bo$15bo6bo$14bo8bo$14bo8bo$14bo8bo$15bo6bo$16bo4bo$4b2o12b
2o$2bo4bo$bo6bo$o8bo$o8bo$o8bo$bo6bo$2bo4bo$4b2o9$11b3o$12bo$12b3o!