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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 19th, 2017, 3:50 pm
by AforAmpere
Based on the structure of known B1e ships it seems unlikely for any non-orthogonal ships, I don't think any diagonal ships have been found right?
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 19th, 2017, 3:54 pm
by praosylen
AforAmpere wrote:I don't think any diagonal ships have been found right?
Until now:
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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B1e2c5/S3i4r567
obo$4o$4o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 19th, 2017, 3:55 pm
by AforAmpere
Did you just find that? How?
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 19th, 2017, 3:59 pm
by praosylen
AforAmpere wrote:Did you just find that? How?
It's not that hard to find these manually -- small mod-1 ships are relatively easy to construct by hand, if you don't choose which rule to use beforehand. Here's a slightly smaller one (possibly
the smallest):
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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B1e2c7/S2a3r4ir5
obo$ob2o$4o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 19th, 2017, 4:45 pm
by AforAmpere
Do you think it is possible in Seeds, or a life-like rule? When I try to search Seeds with gfind-pt for high width for a p3 knightship, it instantly finishes.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 20th, 2017, 3:57 am
by wildmyron
AforAmpere wrote:Do you think it is possible in Seeds, or a life-like rule? When I try to search Seeds with gfind-pt for high width for a p3 knightship, it instantly finishes.
According to JLS, p3 knightships are impossible in B2/S, but not B2/S2. I can't imagine actually finding one though.
Here's a p5 photon (5c/5) from Eppstein's database:
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x = 7, y = 6, rule = B25/S
2bobo$o4bo$2bobobo$2bobobo$o4bo$2bobo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 21st, 2017, 8:25 pm
by AforAmpere
2c/23 diagonal:
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x = 5, y = 5, rule = B2n34cqz5ckny/S235ek
3bo$2b3o$bo2bo$2obo$b2o!
(2,1)c/11:
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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3-y6ac/S23-ckq5cy
bo$b2o$2o!
4c/22 diagonal:
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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y
o$3bo$2bo!
9c/33 orthogonal:
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x = 8, y = 15, rule = B2n34cqz5ckny/S235c
3o$bo3$4bo$2b2o2bo$2bo4bo$b3o3bo$2bo4bo$2b2o2bo$4bo3$bo$3o!
EDIT:
Better c/21 orthogonal:
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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2e3-cjy4ai/S23cqr4
o$2o$o!
Better c/9 orthogonal:
Code: Select all
x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2ek3-cjy4ai/S23cqr4
o$2o$o!
(3,1)c/15
Code: Select all
x = 5, y = 7, rule = B2e3-cjy4aiq/S23aciqr4cejqt
bo$2b2o$4bo$4bo2$bo$o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 30th, 2017, 1:58 pm
by muzik
Will MAP rules and Generations rules be allowed in this collection?
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 30th, 2017, 2:13 pm
by BlinkerSpawn
muzik wrote:Will MAP rules and Generations rules be allowed in this collection?
Pretty sure MAP rules would be a "no" considering you'd need a new one for each direction, but I don't see why Geenrations rules wouldn't be ok.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 30th, 2017, 2:25 pm
by muzik
In which case, here are two 7-knightships:
c/17:
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x = 3, y = 4, rule = 2378/34578/4
2A$A.A$.BA$.2A!
c/66:
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x = 8, y = 9, rule = 23578/3568/4
6.2A$6.2A3$.2A.C$2ACA$AC.A$ABA$C2A!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 30th, 2017, 3:46 pm
by drc
I'd say no on Generations, but it's getting harder and harder to motivate myself to update the collection. One day I'll get off my butt and do it, though.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: June 30th, 2017, 4:15 pm
by muzik
Maybe you could use Generations as a sort of fallback option, os you can collect spaceships from it but only if there is no ship of that same speed and direction in a non-Generaions rule.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 1st, 2017, 5:14 pm
by muzik
What about Larger than Life rules?
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 1st, 2017, 5:21 pm
by toroidalet
Of course, the problem is that then when one of those rules has a smaller ship, we end up using a suboptimal ship if the ships from one set of rules are prioritized over another set.
d4c54_2457
Code: Select all
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B2i36-k/S23
2b2o$o2bo$b3o!
dc22_1521
Code: Select all
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B2c3ajk4/S1c23
2obo$2bo$bo!
o12c36_25202w2
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x = 8, y = 3, rule = B2cek3-aij/S05e
bo$obobo2bo$bo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 2nd, 2017, 3:07 pm
by wwei23
TINY c/2:
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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2-a3/S2
bo$obo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 2nd, 2017, 3:08 pm
by drc
wwei23 wrote:TINY c/2:
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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2-a3/S2
bo$obo!
...If you would have looked at the collection first, you would discover that there's a smaller average population c/2 there, pretty much the same thing but with one less cell in generation 1.
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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2-ac3-a/S2
bo$obo!
PLEASE look at the collection.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 2nd, 2017, 4:09 pm
by wwei23
I was lucky enough to find a rule with TWO tiny spaceships of different speeds(B2-a3/S2a with 4c/12 flipper and c/4 not flipper).
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 3rd, 2017, 12:01 am
by toroidalet
wwei23 wrote:I was lucky enough to find a rule with TWO tiny spaceships of different speeds(B2-a3/S2a with 4c/12 flipper and c/4 not flipper).
Most rules generally contain 1-2 natural ships or puffers that can be made into ships. I discovered many of them while trying to stabilize a rule or a puffer.
although, that 4c/12 is an improvement.
Code: Select all
x = 6, y = 4, rule = B2-a3/S2a
2bobo2$o4bo$4bo!
EDIT:
d2c50_86096y1e4
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x = 12, y = 4, rule = B34w/S2-n34i
3bo$bo2bo5bo$bo2bo5b2o$o2bo6bo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 4th, 2017, 3:24 pm
by toroidalet
bump+
o4c68_4ri1e4
Code: Select all
x = 6, y = 5, rule = B34ce5ny6n7e/S234ce
b3o$bo2bo$o4bo$bo2bo$b2o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 13th, 2017, 4:16 pm
by toroidalet
bump again
16c/40
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x = 16, y = 23, rule = B34t5c/S23-c
7bo$6bo$8bo$3b2o2b2o4b2o$3bo8bo2bo$3o4bo3b2ob2o$o5b2o5bo$o5bo$bo3bo$3b
2o4$3b2o$bo3bo$o5bo$o5b2o5bo$3o4bo3b2ob2o$3bo8bo2bo$3b2o2b2o4b2o$8bo$
6bo$7bo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 13th, 2017, 6:25 pm
by AforAmpere
I am working on compiling my own list, because this list is never updated
5 cell 3c/7:
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x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2-a3-i4jrt/S23-a
o$bo2$2bo2$bo$o!
9c/68 orthogonal:
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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B2ein3acein4einrz/S2-ci3-a4jqrtw5ijq
10bo$bo5b2o2bo$o6bo4bo$bo5b2o2bo$10bo!
22c/74 orthogonal:
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x = 35, y = 8, rule = B34n5y/S2-k34a
b3o16b3o$o2bo8b2o7b2o9bo$bo10b2o8b4obo4b2o$b3obo16bo2bo7b2o$b3obo16bo
2bo7b2o$bo10b2o8b4obo4b2o$o2bo8b2o7b2o9bo$b3o16b3o!
6c/18 orthgogonal:
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x = 7, y = 8, rule = B2ein3acein4einrz/S2-ck34qt
4bo$4b2o$5b2o3$o$2o$bo!
2c/13 diagonal:
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x = 5, y = 5, rule = B2ein3acein4r5i/S02-ck3
o$2bobo$b2o2$bo!
Better 2c/9 diagonal:
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x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2e3aein4einrz/S2-ci3-a4jknqr5ijq
3o$o2bo$obo$bo!
Best possible c/5 diagonal?
Code: Select all
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2ein3acein4r5i/S02-ck3a
2bo2$obo!
2c/24 diagonal:
Code: Select all
x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2ein3acein4einrz/S2-ci3-a4jnqrtw5ijq
o$bo$ob2o$2bo!
C/46 diagonal:
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x = 6, y = 5, rule = B2-a3-i/S23-a4-aijqr
2bo$3bo$o4bo$5bo$3b2o!
EDIT, better C/10 diagonal, 4 cells:
Code: Select all
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B2-a/S03
2bo2$o$3bo$4bo!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 13th, 2017, 11:47 pm
by drc
AforAmpere wrote:I am working on compiling my own list, because this list is never updated
If you would like to take over the project, you can post a download link and I'll put it in the topic. Currently I'm working on a different project, too.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 14th, 2017, 12:31 pm
by AforAmpere
I'm working on compiling it now, is it okay if it is in text format, as a list though? I can attach text files of the spaceships to a post and update them occasionally. I do that because it is easier for me to list the specifics too, in this kind of format, with rule name and cell count:
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- 2c/13 diagonal, B2ein3acein4r5i/S02-ck3
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B2ein3acein4r5i/S02-ck3
o$2bobo$b2o2$bo!
6 cells
I will probably post here when I have finished putting several hundred speeds on it.
EDIT: Have any 5c/11 orthogonal ships been found?
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 15th, 2017, 3:14 pm
by toroidalet
I've given up the apgcode thing, no one really seems to be using it.
4c/17 orthogonal, 9 cells
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x = 4, y = 7, rule = B2i34n5r6i/S23
3bo$2b2o2$3o2$2b2o$3bo!
6c/39 diagonal, 7 cells
Code: Select all
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3-y4ek5-eiy7e8/S23
3o$2o$o!
6c/12 orthogonal, 9 cells
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x = 6, y = 4, rule = B34k5-e/S234n
3b2o$2bo2bo$o4bo$3b3o!
2c/21 diagonal, 5 cells
Code: Select all
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B34e58/S234y
b2o$2o$o!
3c/22 orthogonal, 7 cells
Code: Select all
x = 4, y = 5, rule = B34ek5-ey7e8/S234z
o$3bo$2obo$3bo$o!
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Posted: July 15th, 2017, 3:40 pm
by AforAmpere
Thanks, it will be a while before my list is complete enough to post here. I am making it in notepad, as a sort of list, with three sections, orthogonal, diagonal, and oblique. I think I have gotten all known non-B0 oblique ships, though. Tell me if I missed some. I'm not including stuff like Gemini or the Waterbear.