How can that region from Iwona be synthesized? My best guess is adding a dot spark to a blinker predecessor.goldenratio wrote: December 16th, 2020, 10:56 pm megasized_68h (final population 6867/6870) by apgoucher in G1, a new megasized record:
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7bo$6bo$6b3o8$9b2o$9bobo$9bo5$16bo$15b2o$2o13bobo$b2o$o!
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x = 45, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
5.A$6.A$4.3A2$2.A$A.A$.2A8$32.2A$32.2A3$26.2A13.2A$26.2A13.2A2$21.2A$
21.2A2$24.2A$24.2A$18.2A$18.2A2$32.2A$32.2A2$14.2A13.2A$14.2A13.2A4$
37.2A4.2A$37.2A4.2A3$18.2A$18.2A$37.2A$37.2A!
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oobooobbbooobbob!Code: Select all
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3obo5bo2bo$3b3o2b3o3b2o$2obobobo3b4o$2bo2b3obob3o$o2b3obobo3b3o$bob2o
3b6obo$2ob2o4b3o$4obo3bo2b4o$obobo2bobobobobo$2b4ob4o$o3b5o2b3o$2bobob
o3b3ob2o$2obo2b3o3bo$bo2b4ob2obo$bob4o3bob2obo$2o3b11o!Code: Select all
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
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oobobbbboobooobb!Code: Select all
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bobbbbobbbboboob!It's another natural burloaferimeter variant. Here is it shown alongside the version in the infobox on the LifeWiki page:
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x = 26, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bobo$3bobobo$3bo3bo$2obo2b2ob2o$2obo4bobo$4b4o2$4b2o$4b2o11b2ob2o
$18bobo$18bo3bo$15b2obo2b4o$15b2obo6bo$19b6o2$21b2o$4b2ob2o12b2o$2bo2b
obo$2b2obo3bo$5bo2b4o$5bo6bo$6b5obo$11bo$8b3o$8bo!Code: Select all
x = 11, y = 10, rule = TripleB3S23
5.A$2.2FAFG$D2.G.G.A$2D.G3.G$2C.G2.2GFGA$2C.G4.A.G$4.4GFBD$9.D$4.2A2F
D$4.2AFB!-6:
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3bo5bob2obo$5bo2bo2b2ob2o$2b3o2bobo3bo$3bo3bob4o2bo$3bobobob2ob4o$2b2o
b2ob2ob2obo$2b2o7b2o$4ob3ob2o3b2o$2o2b3o2bo$bobo2bo2bo$2o2b4o3b4o$2b2o
bobo3bo3bo$bo4bobob2obo$b4ob2o2b2o3bo$2b3o4bo2bobo$2obo4b2ob3o!
Nice! There are 65 29-bit burloaferimiters, and this is one of the 35 without known syntheses.yujh wrote: January 9th, 2021, 8:49 pmBump. New p7 found by Calcyman ,2021-01-09 ... the oscillator forms at exactly gen 11.
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9bo$7bobo$8boo$18bo$18bobo$18boo$$9bo$10boo$9boo$$18bo$19bo$17b3o$44b
3ob3o4bo38boo38b3o4bo$4bo36bo4bo3bo5bo17boo20bo12bo4boo15bo4bo5bo9boob
oo$5bo34b3ob3o3bo3b4o15b3o19bo14bobb3o14b3ob3o3b4o6bobbobo$3b3o7boo26b
obbo5bo5bo16bo3bo17bo15bobo3bo13bobbo7bo7boobobobo$12bobobboo25b3o3bo
4bo17bobob3o30bobbobob3o14b3o4bo11bobob3o$13bo3bobo53b3o4bo14bo17b3o4b
o32bo6bo$obo16bo56b3obo35b3obo33b5obo$boo16boo58bo39bo39bo$bo67bo6b3o
37b3o37b3o$68bo7bo39bo39bo$$12bo$12boo14boo$11bobo13boo$16boo11bo$bb3o
10boo$4bo12bo$3bo!
Why not just mutate the other burloaferimeter stator variant? It seems easier to me to start from there.mniemiec wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:14 pmHere is an attempt that misses
the final step, although given the current state of Life engineering, it is likely to be possible:
mniemiec wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:14 pmHere is an attempt that misses
the final step, although given the current state of Life engineering, it is likely to be possible:
About half of them (all of the ones where the top is closed, i.e. with a tub) can be built that way, from one base. Unfortunately, I only know a synthesis for one of the simplest ones with an open top (plus another where the bottom block is moved). It's possible that several others could be made from that, but I haven't had the time to research it. That would probably be a good use for an automatic tool, e.g. the way Catagolue automatically finds syntheses using its converter library.wwei23 wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:24 pmWhy not just mutate the other burloaferimeter stator variant? It seems easier to me to start from there.
True. But I think that you'd be worse off trying to synthesize an object based off of a soup that forms it at T=11.mniemiec wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:31 pm About half of them (all of the ones where the top is closed, i.e. with a tub) can be built that way, from one base. Unfortunately, I only know a synthesis for one of the simplest ones with an open top (plus another where the bottom block is moved). It's possible that several others could be made from that, but I haven't had the time to research it. That would probably be a good use for an automatic tool, e.g. the way Catagolue automatically finds syntheses using its converter library.
It feels like that common blinker predecessor should require fewer than five gliders, even with the constraints. Here's a way to create it from the correct direction using a loaf and P spark, each of which only requires four gliders:mniemiec wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:14 pmThe synthesis should be fairly easy, given how it forms. Here is an attempt that misses
the final step, although given the current state of Life engineering, it is likely to be possible:
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2o$3o3$b2o$o2bo$obo$bo!The formation boils down to a blinker, a wing sequence, a common blinker predecessor, and a couple of perturbations.wwei23 wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:34 pmTrue. But I think that you'd be worse off trying to synthesize an object based off of a soup that forms it at T=11.
Right. But it seems that they have to be packed so closely together that to my eyes, it seems to be just plain impossible outside of lifecompetes! Goldtiger997 might think differently though,MathAndCode wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:40 pm The formation boils down to a blinker, a wing sequence, a common blinker predecessor, and a couple of perturbations.
I've seen that sort of thing happen thousands of generations (I think) in at least once. If you want, I can try to find the link.wwei23 wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:45 pmRight. But it seems that they have to be packed so closely together that to my eyes, it seems to be just plain impossible outside of lifecompetes! Goldtiger997 might think differently though,
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ooooobbbbbobbboo!These work:mniemiec wrote: January 9th, 2021, 10:14 pmNice! There are 65 29-bit burloaferimiters, and this is one of the 35 without known syntheses.yujh wrote: January 9th, 2021, 8:49 pmBump. New p7 found by Calcyman ,2021-01-09 ... the oscillator forms at exactly gen 11.
The synthesis should be fairly easy, given how it forms. Here is an attempt that misses
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14bo$7bo7b2o$5bobo6b2o11bobo$6b2o19b2o$28bo$17bo$15b2o$16b2o3$33bo$17b
2o14bobo$16bobo2b2o2b2o6b2o$17bo3bobo2bo$24b2o$20bo$20bo$20bo$bo$b2o$o
bo$10bo$10b2o6b2o$9bobo6bobo$18bo13b3o$5bo26bo$5b2o26bo$4bobo23$14bo$
15b2o$14b2o11bobo$27b2o$28bo3$7bo$8bo$6b3o$33bo$9b2o6b2o14bobo$9bobo4b
obo2b2o2b2o6b2o$9bo7bo3bobo2bo$24b2o$20bo$20bo$20bo2$b3o$3bo$2bo7bo$
10b2o6b2o$9bobo6bobo$18bo13b3o$5bo26bo$5b2o26bo$4bobo!
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2b2o$2bobo3b2o$b4o4b2o$b2obo2bobo2b2o$4o4bo3bobo$14b2o$6b5o$5bo2b4o$5b
3o3bo$6b2o$6bo!
Finally!Hdjensofjfnen wrote: September 22nd, 2020, 7:13 pm Over two years since it appeared in C2_2, and this asymmetric 15-bitter has yet to show up in either C1 or G1:
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oobooobobbbbobob!Would you care as to clarify on what you mean by this?wwei23 wrote: January 15th, 2021, 8:38 pm Well, the xs15 is asymmetric. Sure, it showed up in a symmetric soup, but as far as I can tell, it might as well have been natural.
Heh, look at the post you're responding to again (not the quoted part). For this object there's no longer any need to dive in to those natural-vs.-not-quite-natural philosophical difficulties.wwei23 wrote: January 15th, 2021, 8:38 pm Well, the xs15 is asymmetric. Sure, it showed up in a symmetric soup, but as far as I can tell, it might as well have been natural.
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oooboboboobbbbbo!Here's a version with a population of only 32:
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4b2o$5bo$2bobo$2bo10$4bobo$5bo$5bo5$b2o$b2o5$4b2o$4bobo$o6bo$bo2bo2bo
$2bo4bo$o5bo$bo3bo$2b3o!Calcyman posted this population 27 52444M on the Discord:MathAndCode wrote: January 17th, 2021, 4:49 pm Here's a version with a population of only 32:Further population reductions likely are possible.Code: Select all
x = 8, y = 34, rule = B3/S23 4b2o$5bo$2bobo$2bo10$4bobo$5bo$5bo5$b2o$b2o5$4b2o$4bobo$o6bo$bo2bo2bo $2bo4bo$o5bo$bo3bo$2b3o!
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x = 19, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
11bo$10bob2o$9b2o11$11bobo$12bo$12bo10$15bo$13b2o$8b2o4bo$9b2o$10bo6bo
$17b2o4$bo$b2o$obo!I independently found this, which lasts for slightly longer:goldenratio wrote: January 17th, 2021, 4:55 pmCalcyman posted this population 27 52444M on the Discord:Probably minimal, unless there's some <10 cell edgy enough loaf predecessor that times just right.Code: Select all
x = 19, y = 37, rule = B3/S23 11bo$10bob2o$9b2o11$11bobo$12bo$12bo10$15bo$13b2o$8b2o4bo$9b2o$10bo6bo $17b2o4$bo$b2o$obo!
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11b2o$12bo$10bo$8bobo10$11bobo$12bo$12bo9$15bo$15b2o$9bo4bo$9bo$9b3o$
17b2o$17bo5$bo$b2o$obo!