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Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 4:22 am
by ThePlayzr
:o a Climbing C puffer! It isn't clean though.

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x = 24, y = 32, rule = B3/S23-a5
14b2o3bo$12b3o5bo$8b2obo3b4o$7b3o2b2o5b4o$8bo2bo3b2o6bo$9b2o3bo4b4o$10b
2o4b3o3bo$15bo4bo$10b2o4b3o3bo$9b2o3bo4b4o$8bo2bo3b2o6bo$7b3o2b2o5b4o
$8b2obo3b4o$12b3o5bo$14b2o3bo3$7b2o$5b2o3b3o$o2b2o3b4o$2o2b2obo3b4o$o
3b5o6bo$2bo8b4o$2b3o3b4o$8bo3bobo$2b3o3b4o$2bo8b4o$o3b5o6bo$2o2b2obo3b
4o$o2b2o3b4o$5b2o3b3o$7b2o!
and a puffer for that other p2!

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x = 23, y = 32, rule = B3/S23-a5
13b2o3bo$11b3o5bo$7b2obo3b4o$6b3o2b2o5b4o$7bo2bo3b2o6bo$8b2o3bo4b4o$9b
2o4b3o3bo$14bo4bo$9b2o4b3o3bo$8b2o3bo4b4o$7bo2bo3b2o6bo$6b3o2b2o5b4o$
7b2obo3b4o$11b3o5bo$13b2o3bo3$7b2o$5b2o3b3o$o2b2o3b4o$2o2b2obo3b4o$o3b
5o6bo$2bo8b4o$2b3o3b4o$8bo3bobo$2b3o3b4o$2bo8b4o$o3b5o6bo$2o2b2obo3b4o
$o2b2o3b4o$5b2o3b3o$7b2o!
mangoes!

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x = 21, y = 35, rule = B3/S23-a5
11b2o3bo$9b3o5bo$5b2obo3b4o$4b3o2b2o5b4o$5bo2bo3b2o6bo$6b2o3bo4b4o$7b
2o4b3o3bo$12bo4bo$7b2o4b3o3bo$6b2o3bo4b4o$5bo2bo3b2o6bo$4b3o2b2o5b4o$
5b2obo3b4o$9b3o5bo$11b2o3bo6$7b2o$5b2o3b3o$o2b2o3b4o$2o2b2obo3b4o$o3b
5o6bo$2bo8b4o$2b3o3b4o$8bo3bobo$2b3o3b4o$2bo8b4o$o3b5o6bo$2o2b2obo3b4o
$o2b2o3b4o$5b2o3b3o$7b2o!
there are gliders and Ts going in every direction... HOW?

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x = 19, y = 33, rule = B3/S23-a5
9b2o3bo$7b3o5bo$3b2obo3b4o$2b3o2b2o5b4o$3bo2bo3b2o6bo$4b2o3bo4b4o$5b2o
4b3o3bo$10bo4bo$5b2o4b3o3bo$4b2o3bo4b4o$3bo2bo3b2o6bo$2b3o2b2o5b4o$3b
2obo3b4o$7b3o5bo$9b2o3bo4$7b2o$5b2o3b3o$o2b2o3b4o$2o2b2obo3b4o$o3b5o6b
o$2bo8b4o$2b3o3b4o$8bo3bobo$2b3o3b4o$2bo8b4o$o3b5o6bo$2o2b2obo3b4o$o2b
2o3b4o$5b2o3b3o$7b2o!
also PK22, I see you managed to achieve mmmmmmmmm's request to get D4+2 and D4+1 to 1 billion objects! But, C4_1 is still not at 1 bil. Could you please get C4_1 to 1 billion?

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 5:04 am
by PK22
ThePlayzr wrote: June 28th, 2025, 4:22 am also PK22, I see you managed to achieve mmmmmmmmm's request to get D4+2 and D4+1 to 1 billion objects! But, C4_1 is still not at 1 bil. Could you please get C4_1 to 1 billion?
C4_1 is slower to search than other symmetries, but I will try.

Since we do not have many methuselahs at all, I will adapt my script to try and find some, as well as find megasized patterns.
EDIT: Just for clarification, 'megasized' refers to a soup with a large final population - Catagolue stores soups with a population greater than 3000 as "megasized_<num>h".
Soup with final population 95 (which is quite impressive in this rule):

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
o4bobo2b4obo$o2bo2bob2ob3o$2b3o3bobob3o$ob3obob4obo$o2b3o6b3o$o2bobo3b
o5bo$ob2ob3o4b2obo$o2bobob3ob2o$3bob2o2bobob3o$5ob2o3bo2bo$o3bobob2obo
b3o$bob2o3bo2b5o$o2bobo2bob4o$o2bobob2obo3bo$3b6o5b2o$b6ob4o3bo!
EDIT 2: Final population 141, and a beehive with tail appears in the ash:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
ob4ob2ob3obo$2o2bobo2bo4b2o$o6b2obo3bo$b8o2b2obo$ob2ob3o4bo2bo$3b2o7b
4o$o6b4o2bo$b5o4bo2b3o$o2bo5b3ob2o$5ob3obobob2o$2b2ob2o2bo4bo$5bo2bobo
b2o$2bob2o4bo2bobo$3obob2o4b2o$ob2o2bo4b3o$6b4ob2o!
EDIT 3: Methuselah with lifespan 2351, estimated as 2500 by my script:

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#C Estimated lifespan: 2500
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
o3bo4b3ob3o$2bob3o2b2obob2o$2b6obo2bo2bo$ob3o3b2obo2b2o$2ob5ob2obo$o3b
ob5o3bo$2o4b2ob3o2bo$3ob2obobob2o$5ob2o2b3ob2o$2o3b4o3b4o$o2b2o2b4ob2o
bo$b5obobob5o$o2b2o2bobobo$o3b5o2b2ob2o$obo5b2o5bo$2b3o2b2o6bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 6:58 am
by ThePlayzr
I have cleaned up the climbing C rake:

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x = 213, y = 83, rule = B3/S23-a5
204b2o$202b2o3b3o$197bo2b2o3b4o$197b2o2b2obo3b4o$197bo3b5o6bo$199bo8b
4o$83b2o114b3o3b4o$81b2o3b3o116bo3bobo$76bo2b2o3b4o111b3o3b4o$76b2o2b
2obo3b4o108bo8b4o$76bo3b5o6bo105bo3b5o6bo$78bo8b4o106b2o2b2obo3b4o$78b
3o3b4o109bo2b2o3b4o$84bo3bobo111b2o3b3o$78b3o3b4o116b2o$78bo8b4o$76bo
3b5o6bo$76b2o2b2obo3b4o$76bo2b2o3b4o$81b2o3b3o$83b2o7$14b2o3bo$12b3o5b
o$8b2obo3b4o$7b3o2b2o5b4o$8bo2bo3b2o6bo$9b2o3bo4b4o$10b2o4b3o3bo$15bo
4bo$10b2o4b3o3bo$9b2o3bo4b4o$8bo2bo3b2o6bo$7b3o2b2o5b4o$8b2obo3b4o$12b
3o5bo$14b2o3bo3$7b2o$5b2o3b3o$o2b2o3b4o$2o2b2obo3b4o$o3b5o6bo$2bo8b4o
$2b3o3b4o$8bo3bobo$2b3o3b4o$2bo8b4o$o3b5o6bo$2o2b2obo3b4o$o2b2o3b4o$5b
2o3b3o$7b2o10$60b2o$58b2o3b3o$53bo2b2o3b4o$53b2o2b2obo3b4o$53bo3b5o6b
o$55bo8b4o$55b3o3b4o$61bo3bobo$55b3o3b4o$55bo8b4o$53bo3b5o6bo$53b2o2b
2obo3b4o$53bo2b2o3b4o$58b2o3b3o$60b2o!
Also, PK22, I have a few tasks I need you to do, starting with the easiest: can you provide the link to the SKOPs for travelling Ts and the travelling Ts collection on catagolue? I seem to have misplaced them. Secondly, can you use ikpx2 to search for c/7d or 2c/8? Both of these things would be very helpful :)

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 7:09 am
by PK22
SKOPs: User:PK22/OCA:Travelling Ts/SKOP
Collections: Here.

The growing rake I made got recognised as two ZZ_REPLICATORs, strangely.

Searching for 2c/8 is not possible - ikpx2 cannot search for period-multiplied spaceships, but they can occur naturally if partials break down.
I will begin a c/7d search.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 7:51 am
by ThePlayzr
PK22 wrote: June 28th, 2025, 7:09 am SKOPs: User:PK22/OCA:Travelling Ts/SKOP
Collections: Here.
Searching for 2c/8 is not possible - ikpx2 cannot search for period-multiplied spaceships, but they can occur naturally if partials break down.
I will begin a c/7d search.
Thanks, and while you do that search, I will add some LCMs and Reflector loops to the collection.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 10:39 am
by Resu
PK22 wrote: June 28th, 2025, 5:04 am EDIT 3: Methuselah with lifespan 2351, estimated as 2500 by my script:

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#C Estimated lifespan: 2500
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
o3bo4b3ob3o$2bob3o2b2obob2o$2b6obo2bo2bo$ob3o3b2obo2b2o$2ob5ob2obo$o3b
ob5o3bo$2o4b2ob3o2bo$3ob2obobob2o$5ob2o2b3ob2o$2o3b4o3b4o$o2b2o2b4ob2o
bo$b5obobob5o$o2b2o2bobobo$o3b5o2b2ob2o$obo5b2o5bo$2b3o2b2o6bo!
Which script?

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 11:19 am
by PK22
Resu wrote: June 28th, 2025, 10:39 am Which script?
This one which I forgot to post:

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import golly as g
benchmark = 0
g.new('Potential methusaleh')
g.setrule('B3/S23-a5')
f = open('methuselah.txt', 'w')
f.write('Methuselahs:\n')
f.close()
def checkstable():
    if g.getpop() == '0':
        return True
    else:
        pattern1 = g.hash(g.getrect())
        g.run(120)
        if g.getpop() != '0':
            pattern2 = g.hash(g.getrect())
            return pattern1 == pattern2
        else:
            return True
def searchsoup(size):
    global benchmark
    g.new('Potential methusaleh')
    g.setrule('B3/S23-a5:P500,500')
    g.select([0, 0, size, size])
    g.randfill(50)
    g.run(1000)
    while not checkstable():
        pass
    lifespanUB = int(g.getgen()) - 900
    if lifespanUB > benchmark:
        benchmark = lifespanUB
        g.show('Maximum lifespan (estimated): '+str(benchmark))
        g.reset()
        g.select([0, 0, size, size])
        g.copy()
        f = open('methuselah.txt', 'a')
        f.write('\n#C Estimated lifespan: '+str(benchmark)+'\n'+ g.getclipstr())
        f.close()
for x in range(1000000):
    searchsoup(16)
g.show('Done')

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 11:46 am
by Resu
Methuselah form PK22's script! 2863 gens

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#C Estimated lifespan: 3220
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
2b4o4b3obo$o3b2o3bo4bo$bo3bobob2obo2bo$o4bobo4b4o$b3o4bo5b2o$3o2b2ob4o
2b2o$2obob3o2bo$3b3o2b2ob3o$b5obob2o$b2ob2o5b4o$2o5bob4o2bo$obo2bo6b2o
$2bo2bo2b3obob2o$6b2o2bob2o$obo7bo3b2o$8bo2bobobo!
Edit: 4404 gens!

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#C Estimated lifespan: 4420
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
o2b9o3bo$2b2o4b3o4bo$2bo3bob3o2bobo$2b2o2bo2b2ob2o$2bo2b2obobob2o$2ob
2ob3obo$2ob3obo3b2o$3obo2b2o3b4o$obobob3obobo$2b2o2bobob2o2bo$bo3b5o2b
4o$ob2ob2ob3ob2o$o3b3ob3o3b2o$2o2bo7bobo$bo6b2ob3o$3obo2bob3ob3o!
Edit: Weld

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x = 27, y = 13, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2ob2o4bo$2bobo5bo7bo$obobo10bo2b3o3b2o$2o3b2obo3bo2b3o3bo2bo$7b2obob
3o4b2obobo$3b3o4bo4b4obobo2b2o$4bob4ob3o8b2obo$2bo6bobo3b2obobo4bo$2b
6obobobo4b2obobob2o$6bob2obob4o6bobo$4bo7bo4b6o2bo$4b2o8bo2bo2bo4b2o$
13b2o!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 28th, 2025, 7:46 pm
by ThePlayzr
Resu wrote: June 28th, 2025, 11:46 am Methuselah form PK22's script! 2863 gens
Edit: 4404 gens!

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#C Estimated lifespan: 4420
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23-a5
o2b9o3bo$2b2o4b3o4bo$2bo3bob3o2bobo$2b2o2bo2b2ob2o$2bo2b2obobob2o$2ob
2ob3obo$2ob3obo3b2o$3obo2b2o3b4o$obobob3obobo$2b2o2bobob2o2bo$bo3b5o2b
4o$ob2ob2ob3ob2o$o3b3ob3o3b2o$2o2bo7bobo$bo6b2ob3o$3obo2bob3ob3o!
Wow! That is extremely long for this rule! Also, PK22, how did that c/7d search go?
edit: who added a TRIVIAL oscillator for period 42 on the SKOPs? also, the 4 natural spaceships do not appear to be on the wiki page.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 4:10 am
by PK22
ThePlayzr wrote: June 28th, 2025, 7:46 pm Also, PK22, how did that c/7d search go?
edit: who added a TRIVIAL oscillator for period 42 on the SKOPs?
1). I forgot to actually run ./ikpx2, but I have started running it again. I will edit this post with some partials in a few minutes.
2). Sorry, I failed to realise that it was trivial. I have replaced it with a p42 T loop.
The C4_1 search was mostly fruitless, except for this tetramer p8 thumb, which can be monomerised:

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x = 31, y = 17, rule = B3/S23-a5
10bo$10bo$9bo18bo$11bo16bo$4bo4bo2bo14bo$3bobo2bob2o17bo$2o3b4obo16bo
2bo$2bobo5bo12bo2bob2o$5b2o3b2o11b4obo$6bo5bobo13bo$6bob4o3b2o6b2o3b2o
$5b2obo2bobo9bobo$4bo2bo4bo11bo$5bo$7bo$6bo$6bo!
It cannot reflect Ts, sadly, since the thumb appears every 4 generations and will interact with a T before it is in position. :(
A p5 T reflector would help a lot with finishing some of the SKOPs. Can someone check Catagolue for a p5 with an edgy dot, duoplet, or thumb, and check if it can reflect Ts?
Also, c/3d tubstretcher!

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x = 72, y = 99, rule = B3/S23-a5
14bo$13b4o$11b2o2bob2o$11bo2bo3bobo$10bo3bo4bobo$14b2o3b2o$8bobo3b2ob
3o$7bobob3ob2obo$6bo3bo4b3o2b2o$7bo6bo3b3o$4bobobob2o3b4o4bo$2b2o3bo2b
2o9bob2o$2bo4bo12bo4bo$bo5bo11bob2o$2ob4o2bo$b2o2b4obo8b2o$bo5b2obo8b
2ob2o$2bo3bobobo7bobo$2b2o2b2ob2o5bo$4b3o3b2o3b2o2bobo$3bobo2b2o2bob2o
5bo4bo$4bo3bob2o3bob3ob2obobo$11bo2b3ob2o2bo4b2o$8b2o4b3ob2o2bo2b2obo$
10bo12bo3bo$11bo3b2obo5b4o$9bo2bo4b2o2bobo2b2o$8b3o7bo3b2o3bob2o$7b3o
2b2o4bobo4bo3bo$6b3o4bobo4bobob2o2bo$11b3obob2ob3ob2o$13bo6bo2b2o$13bo
bobo6b4o$17bo2b7ob3o$15bo2b2ob2obo2bo$14bobob2o3bo5bo$18b2o2bo4bo$16bo
5bo2bo2bo$20bo4b3obo$15b3o3b2o3b2ob2o$15bo8bo4bo$16bobobobob2ob7o$15b
3obo2bo2bobo2bo2b2o$15bobo3bo4bob2o3b2o$16bob2o3bo4bo7bo$17bo3b3o3bo5b
o2b2o$16b2o4b3o7b2o2bo$16bo2bobobo8b2o$16bo3b2o10b2obo$18bobo2bo3bo3bo
b2o$21b2o3b2o3b3obo$20bob2ob2obob4o$21b3o2b4ob3o2b2o$22bob2obo4bobob2o
$22bob2o5bob2obo$22bobo3bo4bobo$23b2o4b2o4b2o$23bo4bo3b2o2bobo$24bo3b
3o3bo2bobo$25bob2o6b2ob3o$27b2o5bo4b2o$29bo3b3o2b2o$32b2o2bob2o$32bo3b
2o$33bo4bobo$38bo2bo$42bo$40bo$41bo$42bo2b2o$44b2obo$43bobo$42b3obo$
42bo2bobo$43bo2bobo$47bobo$48bobo$49bobo$50bobo$51bobo$52bobo$53bobo$
54bobo$55bobo$56bobo$57bobo$58bobo$59bobo$60bobo$61bobo$62bobo$63bobo$
64bobo$65bobo$66bobo$67bobo$68bobo$69bobo$70bo!
In Life, you can cleanly burn through tubs at c/3d, and this is used in the Speed Demonoid.
Do we have a reaction here that burns at c/3d or slower?
EDIT: This was at depth 77, breadth 9. I heavily doubt that ikpx2 will succeed here, so I will switch to c/3d or c/4d to try and find diagonal puffers.

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x = 15, y = 19, rule = B3/S23-a5
3o$3o$o$bobo$2obo$o2bo$b2o$6bo$b2o2bo$b2ob2obo$3b3ob2o$4bob2o$8bo2bo$
10bo$6b2ob2o$6bo4b4o$7b5o$9b2o$11bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 5:12 am
by mmmmmmmmm
PK22 wrote: June 29th, 2025, 4:10 am In Life, you can cleanly burn through tubs at c/3d, and this is used in the Speed Demonoid.
Do we have a reaction here that burns at c/3d or slower?
EDIT: This was at depth 77, breadth 9. I heavily doubt that ikpx2 will succeed here, so I will switch to c/3d or c/4d to try and find diagonal puffers.

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x = 15, y = 19, rule = B3/S23-a5
3o$3o$o$bobo$2obo$o2bo$b2o$6bo$b2o2bo$b2ob2obo$3b3ob2o$4bob2o$8bo2bo$
10bo$6b2ob2o$6bo4b4o$7b5o$9b2o$11bo!
can you try a higher maximum breadth for c/7d? Because like think about the lobster. Also, if you won't do c/7d, please do 2c/7d, 3c/7, c/8, or c/8d. if you really want to redo a diagonal speed tho, do c/3d.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 5:37 am
by PK22
ikpx2 has no way to control the breadth (as far as I am aware), and since spaceships are often long and thin, depth-first is better.
I will try a 3c/7o search.

Also, please test to see if you can burn (cleanly or otherwise) the output of the c/3d tubstretcher at <= c/3d.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 5:53 am
by Resu
Unclean 1T to 4T:

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x = 24, y = 11, rule = B3/S23-a5
10bo$9bobo$9bobo$10bo2$22bo$22b2o$bo20bo$obo$obo$bo!
Edit: ???

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x = 24, y = 12, rule = B3/S23-a5
10bo$9bobo$9bobo$10bo2$22bo$22b2o$22bo$bo$obo$obo$bo!
Edit 2: Unclean 4T and 2G.

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x = 23, y = 11, rule = B3/S23-a5
9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo2$21bo$21b2o$bo19bo$obo$obo$bo!
Edit 3: Useless, but toad+C:

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x = 22, y = 11, rule = B3/S23-a5
bo$obo$obo$bo6bo$7bobo$7bobo$8bo2$20bo$20b2o$20bo!
Cool but not that rare still-life:

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x = 22, y = 8, rule = B3/S23-a5
8bo$bo5bobo$obo4bobo$obo5bo$bo$20bo$20b2o$20bo!
Edit 4: VERY dirty T-to-3T+2G

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x = 22, y = 22, rule = B3/S23-a5
8bo$7bobo$7bobo$8bo2$20bo$20b2o$20bo11$bo$obo$obo$bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 7:07 am
by PK22
Strange sparky p10 from D8_1 which can reflect Ts, found by LuveelVoom:

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x = 35, y = 39, rule = B3/S23-a5
2b2o$2b3o$2b2o2$12bo9bo$13bo7bo$12bo9bo$12bo9bo$13b2o5b2o$12bo2bo3bo2b
o$12bo9bo$14bo5bo$11b2o9b2o$10bobo9bobo$9bobo11bobo$8bobo13bobo$ob2ob
2ob2o15b2ob2ob2obo$bo2bo25bo2bo$4bo2bo19bo2bo$5bo23bo4$5bo23bo$4bo2bo
19bo2bo$bo2bo25bo2bo$ob2ob2ob2o15b2ob2ob2obo$8bobo13bobo$9bobo11bobo$
10bobo9bobo$11b2o9b2o$14bo5bo$12bo9bo$12bo2bo3bo2bo$13b2o5b2o$12bo9bo$
12bo9bo$13bo7bo$12bo9bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 7:34 am
by Resu
PK22 wrote: June 29th, 2025, 7:07 am Strange sparky p10 from D8_1 which can reflect Ts, found by LuveelVoom:

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x = 35, y = 39, rule = B3/S23-a5
2b2o$2b3o$2b2o2$12bo9bo$13bo7bo$12bo9bo$12bo9bo$13b2o5b2o$12bo2bo3bo2b
o$12bo9bo$14bo5bo$11b2o9b2o$10bobo9bobo$9bobo11bobo$8bobo13bobo$ob2ob
2ob2o15b2ob2ob2obo$bo2bo25bo2bo$4bo2bo19bo2bo$5bo23bo4$5bo23bo$4bo2bo
19bo2bo$bo2bo25bo2bo$ob2ob2ob2o15b2ob2ob2obo$8bobo13bobo$9bobo11bobo$
10bobo9bobo$11b2o9b2o$14bo5bo$12bo9bo$12bo2bo3bo2bo$13b2o5b2o$12bo9bo$
12bo9bo$13bo7bo$12bo9bo!
Works by itself:

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x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3/S23-a5
4b3o$5b2o$4bo$2o$3b2o$3b3o2$4bobo$5bobo$6bobo$7bobo5b2o$8bo2bo3b2o$9b
ob2obobo$11b2o2$13bo$13bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 7:47 am
by PK22
Resu wrote: June 29th, 2025, 7:34 am Works by itself:

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x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3/S23-a5
4b3o$5b2o$4bo$2o$3b2o$3b3o2$4bobo$5bobo$6bobo$7bobo5b2o$8bo2bo3b2o$9b
ob2obobo$11b2o2$13bo$13bo!
Interesting - minpop is 30, so it might be able to reduce the population of a few periods.
I would appreciate if some people could go through User:PK22/OCA:Travelling Ts/SKOP and check for errors - I have added a lot of oscillators, but I may have made a mistake somewhere by forgetting an apgcode or something.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 8:23 am
by ThePlayzr
PK22 wrote: June 29th, 2025, 7:47 am I would appreciate if some people could go through User:PK22/OCA:Travelling Ts/SKOP and check for errors - I have added a lot of oscillators, but I may have made a mistake somewhere by forgetting an apgcode or something.
I will do that tomorrow. How's the 3c/7 search going?

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 9:55 am
by PK22
ThePlayzr wrote: June 29th, 2025, 8:23 am I will do that tomorrow. How's the 3c/7 search going?
Example partial:

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#C depth = 128
#C breadth = 15
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 19, y = 27, rule = B3/S23-a5
9bo$9bo$6b3ob3o$5bo3bo3bo$3b2obo5bob2o$3b2obo5bob2o$5bo7bo$5bobo3b
obo$5bo2b3o2bo$9bo$4bo4bo4bo$3bobobo3bobobo$2b2obo7bob2o$2b2obobo
3bobob2o$2b2ob4ob4ob2o$2b2ob4ob4ob2o$3bo11bo$3bo2b7o2bo$2bo2bobobo
bobo2bo$7bo3bo$6bo2bo2bo$2b3o2bo3bo2b3o$o2bo2bob3obo2bo2bo$o4b3o3b
3o4bo$2bobobo2bo2bobobo$2o2b3o2bo2b3o2b2o$4b3o5b3o!
34 cells are incorrect after 7 generations.
EDIT: Potentially promising partial - only 27 cells are incorrect after 7 generations, and the front section seems very strong!

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x = 21, y = 55, rule = B3/S23-a5
6bo7bo$5bob2obob2obo$4b2obobobobob2o$3b3o3bobo3b3o$5b2o2bobo2b2o$bo2bo
bo2bobo2bobo2bo$bo5bo5bo5bo$2ob3obo5bob3ob2o$4o3bo5bo3b4o$4bob2o5b2obo
$4bob2o5b2obo$3bo6bo6bo$5bob3ob3obo$2bobo11bobo$3bo2b3obob3o2bo$7b3ob
3o$4b2o2b2ob2o2b2o$5bo9bo$5bo9bo$5bo9bo2$3b3o9b3o$b2o2bo9bo2b2o$b2obob
2o5b2obob2o$3b4o7b4o$4bob9obo$6bo2b3o2bo2$7b2obob2o$7b3ob3o$5b3o5b3o$
5b2o2bobo2b2o$5bobobobobobo$6b2ob3ob2o$7b2o3b2o$7bob3obo$8bo3bo2$6bo7b
o$6bobo3b2o2$7bo2bo$8b2obo$5bo4bo$5bobo2b2o$5bo4bo$8b2o$3bo$2bo2bo2bo$
2bobobob2o$4bob2o2bo$6bo3bo$4bo3bo$3b3o5bo$2b4o3b2o!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 29th, 2025, 8:50 pm
by ThePlayzr
PK22 wrote: June 29th, 2025, 9:55 am EDIT: Very promising partial - only 27 cells are incorrect after 7 generations
I wouldn't call it a very promising partial, as a partial can decay at a max speed of c, so the back four lines would have decayed away, and there are around twenty cells in the back four lines of the spaceship, so it is not very honorable to decay 27 cells.
edit: D:<

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x = 16, y = 10, rule = B3/S23-a5
9bo2bo$9b2ob2o$7b2o3b2o$6b7ob2o$9bo2bobo$7bobo2bo$6b2ob7o$3o5b2o3b2o$
bo6b2ob2o$9bo2bo!
[[ GPS 3 ]]
the T is reflected, but it then kills the oscillator.
edit2: I had a look at the SKOPs, they were very good! But there were 2 problems. firstly, you accidentally put the catagolue link for the p16 on the p17, which I have fixed. Secondly, it is missing a p55, p87, p90, p93, p99, and p100, which can all be achieved with reflector loops.
edit3: I did some testing, and we can actually get a p100 (25,20) LCM oscillator:

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x = 23, y = 12, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o11bo4bo$ob3o8b2o4b2o$ob3o7bobo4bobo$2o9b3o6b3o5$11b3o6b3o$12bobo4b
obo$13b2o4b2o$14bo4bo!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 30th, 2025, 12:33 am
by PK22
ThePlayzr wrote: June 29th, 2025, 8:50 pm
PK22 wrote: June 29th, 2025, 9:55 am EDIT: Very promising partial - only 27 cells are incorrect after 7 generations
I wouldn't call it a very promising partial, as a partial can decay at a max speed of c, so the back four lines would have decayed away, and there are around twenty cells in the back four lines of the spaceship, so it is not very honorable to decay 27 cells.
Most of the decay takes place backwards, potentially suggesting that it could be completed if the partial was extended.
Partial from overnight run:

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#C depth = 411
#C breadth = 15
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 21, y = 68, rule = B3/S23-a5
6bo7bo$5bob2obob2obo$4b2obobobobob2o$3b3o3bobo3b3o$5b2o2bobo2b2o$b
o2bobo2bobo2bobo2bo$bo5bo5bo5bo$2ob3obo5bob3ob2o$4o3bo5bo3b4o$4bob
2o5b2obo$4bob2o5b2obo$3bo6bo6bo$5bob3ob3obo$2bobo11bobo$3bo2b3obob
3o2bo$7b3ob3o$4b2o2b2ob2o2b2o$5bo9bo$5bo9bo$5bo9bo2$3b3o9b3o$b2o2b
o9bo2b2o$b2obob2o5b2obob2o$3b4o7b4o$4bob9obo$6bo2b3o2bo2$7b2obob2o
$7b3ob3o$5b3o5b3o$5b2o2bobo2b2o$5bobobobobobo$6b2ob3ob2o$7b2o3b2o$
7bob3obo$8bo3bo2$9bobo$9b3o$8bo3bo$4b6ob6o$6b2o5b2o$5bobo5bobo$6bo
bo3bobo$6b2o5b2o$7b2o3b2o$5bo9bo$5bo9bo$3bo2bob5obo2bo$4bo4b3o4bo$
6b3o3b3o$6b2o5b2o$6bo7bo$7bob3obo$6b2o2bo2b2o$5bobobobobobo$4b3o7b
3o$8b2ob2o$2b2o13b2o$2b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$3bobo3b3o3bobo$4b2o2bobobo2b
2o$2bo3bo7bo3bo$4bo2bob3obo2bo$b2o4bob3obo4b2o$3bob5ob5obo$6b2ob3o
b2o!
Thanks for correcting the wiki - I had assumed that an LCM(20,25) was impossible, since I could not find a way to interact with the p25 using a domino.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: June 30th, 2025, 1:17 am
by ThePlayzr
PK22 wrote: June 30th, 2025, 12:33 am Partial from overnight run:

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#C depth = 411
#C breadth = 15
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 21, y = 68, rule = B3/S23-a5
6bo7bo$5bob2obob2obo$4b2obobobobob2o$3b3o3bobo3b3o$5b2o2bobo2b2o$b
o2bobo2bobo2bobo2bo$bo5bo5bo5bo$2ob3obo5bob3ob2o$4o3bo5bo3b4o$4bob
2o5b2obo$4bob2o5b2obo$3bo6bo6bo$5bob3ob3obo$2bobo11bobo$3bo2b3obob
3o2bo$7b3ob3o$4b2o2b2ob2o2b2o$5bo9bo$5bo9bo$5bo9bo2$3b3o9b3o$b2o2b
o9bo2b2o$b2obob2o5b2obob2o$3b4o7b4o$4bob9obo$6bo2b3o2bo2$7b2obob2o
$7b3ob3o$5b3o5b3o$5b2o2bobo2b2o$5bobobobobobo$6b2ob3ob2o$7b2o3b2o$
7bob3obo$8bo3bo2$9bobo$9b3o$8bo3bo$4b6ob6o$6b2o5b2o$5bobo5bobo$6bo
bo3bobo$6b2o5b2o$7b2o3b2o$5bo9bo$5bo9bo$3bo2bob5obo2bo$4bo4b3o4bo$
6b3o3b3o$6b2o5b2o$6bo7bo$7bob3obo$6b2o2bo2b2o$5bobobobobobo$4b3o7b
3o$8b2ob2o$2b2o13b2o$2b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$3bobo3b3o3bobo$4b2o2bobobo2b
2o$2bo3bo7bo3bo$4bo2bob3obo2bo$b2o4bob3obo4b2o$3bob5ob5obo$6b2ob3o
b2o!
Thanks for correcting the wiki - I had assumed that an LCM(20,25) was impossible, since I could not find a way to interact with the p25 using a domino.
You're welcome, and if you are wondering, I found it by first realizing that if it reacted with the line of 2 of the p25, then it would enable a cell to survive in the next generation that would kill the oscillator, which meant it had to interreact with the thumb that appears after. It would have to interreact on one cell, or else a cell would be born after which would kill the oscillator, so the p20 had to produce a domino spark that was above the thumb, and I found a reaction that worked.
Also, I have a question, can you change the settings in ikpx2 to find a backend instead of a frontend?

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: July 1st, 2025, 1:25 am
by Resu
P16 superstring:

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x = 24, y = 11, rule = B3/S23-a5:T24,0
bo5bo5bo5bo$bo5bo5bo5bo3$obo3bobo3bobo3bobo$obo3bobo3bobo3bobo$4bo5bo
5bo5bo$3obob3obob3obob3obo$3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$24o$24o!
P40:

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x = 24, y = 110, rule = B3/S23-a5:T24,0
8b3o8b3o$7b2o12b2o$6b2obo2bo4bo2bob2o$8b2obo6bob2o$10bo8bo5$o4bo$bo2b
o2bobo10bobo$o4bobo2bo8bo2bo$7bo14bo$o4bo18$10b2o6b2o$11bo6bo$11bo6bo
$7b3o3b4o3b3o$7bo4bo4bo4bo$8b5ob2ob5o$11b3o2b3o2$7b2o4bo2bo4b2o$14b2o
$14b2o4$9bo2b2o2b2o2bo$8b5o4b5o$7bo3bo6bo3bo$8b4o6b4o$6b5o3b2o3b5o$o4b
obo4b2o2b2o4bo2$8bo3b2o2b2o3bo$b4obo2b2o8b2o2bo$ob2obobo14bo$2o2b3o16b
o$6o5bo6bo$2b2o7bo6bo$2b2o8$9b2o8b2o$10bo8bo$9bobo6bobo$7b2o12b2o$2b2o
3bo3b2o4b2o3bo$b4o4bobo6bobo$b4o3bo12bo$2o2b3ob3o8b3obo$7obo12bobo$bo
2bo2bobo10bobo$2o2b2o3b2obo4bob2o$2b2o7bobo2bobo$7o2bobo6bobo2bo$2b2o
3bo2b2o6b2o2bo$8b2o10b2o$2b2o3b3o10b3o$2b2o2b2o14b2o$o4bo$o4bobo3bo6b
o3bo$o4bob4o8b4o$b4ob6o6b6o$o4bo4bo8bo$6bo16bo$bo2bo$6bo16bo$bo2bo2bo
14bo$2b2o6bo8bo$7o3b2o6b2o3bo$2b2o3bobobo6bobobo$6b3o12b3o$6bo2bo4b2o
4bo2bo$b4ob2ob2o2b4o2b2ob2o$10o2bo4bo2b4o$8b3ob6ob3o$10b3o4b3o$10b3o4b
3o$7bo14bo$2o2b4o14b2o$2o2b3obo2bo6bo2bobo$o4bo5bo2b2o2bo$bo2bo3b2obo
6bob2o$7bo2bob6obo2bo$2o2b4o5b4o5b2o$24o!
2x P2 superstrings:

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x = 24, y = 26, rule = B3/S23-a5:T24,0
bo5bo5bo5bo$bo5bo5bo5bo$4bo5bo5bo5bo$24o$24o11$ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o
bo$3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2obo$3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo
$3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$4bo5bo5bo5bo$4bo5bo5bo5bo$bo5bo5bo5bo$3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o$24o$24o!
P16:

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x = 24, y = 30, rule = B3/S23-a5:T24,0
24o$24o$24o$8o3b8o3b2o5$2b2o$2b2o$2b2o$2b2o$2b2o$2b2o$2b2o$2b2o9$2b2o
$2b2o3$6o$6o!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: July 1st, 2025, 11:16 am
by PK22
I found an over-unity reaction with gun potential: a 3T > 4T that just needs a spark, and all of the Ts come from a single direction:

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x = 35, y = 7, rule = B3/S23-a5
3bo$2obo$3bo27bo2$19b2o11b2o$19b3o10b3o$19b2o11b2o!
I am struggling to turn it into the gun - I need a super-edgy sparker with high clearance:

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x = 39, y = 51, rule = B3/S23-a5History
15.D$14.BDB$14.DBD$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$
14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$13.
E4B$12.7B$.2A11B2A20BDB$B3A10B3A20B2D$.2A11B2A20BDB$12.7B$13.5B$14.3B
$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$
14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.3B$14.DBD$14.BDB$15.D!
I will try to turn it into an oscillator for now, since the big blinker has a 2T synthesis.

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: July 1st, 2025, 11:22 am
by Resu
PK22 wrote: July 1st, 2025, 11:16 am I found an over-unity reaction with gun potential: a 3T > 4T that just needs a spark, and all of the Ts come from a single direction:

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x = 35, y = 7, rule = B3/S23-a5
3bo$2obo$3bo27bo2$19b2o11b2o$19b3o10b3o$19b2o11b2o!
Are there any over-unity reactions involving boats? This could be useful:

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x = 3, y = 5, rule = B3/S23-a5
b2o2$2o$3o$2o!

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x = 22, y = 8, rule = B3/S23-a5
bo$2o$bo$20b2o$11bo$10b2o7b2o$11bo7b3o$19b2o!

Re: Travelling Ts(b3s23-a5)

Posted: July 1st, 2025, 12:43 pm
by LuveelVoom
Are there any zebra stripe ships yet? If someone tells me how to set up LLSSS to search in zebra stripes I’ll try and find one.