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A for awesome wrote: May 8th, 2020, 6:05 pm Natural unix on clock in C1, found by Adam P. Goucher:Interestingly, it forms almost the exact same way as the known synthesis forms it.Code: Select all
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obbobooboooobooo!Attribute function says it was found yesterday:Lewis wrote: June 3rd, 2020, 7:22 am Not sure if it's old/uninteresting news, I've only just noticed it now.
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Soup k_7GHmhF2BNuxN28242308 was found on 2020-04-01 at 08:50:46 UTC and is owned by John Goodman
Soup k_fJGreMjvjkiw903275149 was found on 2020-06-02 at 21:56:54 UTC and is owned by rliston@gmail.comYes, b3s23/C1 and b3s23/G1 are both valid censuses for producing user 'discoveries' (and, by extension, badges).Saka wrote: June 3rd, 2020, 7:41 am Amazing! And of course it was found by none other than Rob Liston. The loafer appears a bit later than in the first soup.
Will Rob Liston get the "Loafer" badge like John Goodman, or not? Since this was submitted in G1
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oobbooobbboobobb!Zero. It's ridiculous (a 2EC is larger than the 16-by-16 square seed).Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: June 7th, 2020, 2:00 am If switch engines are quite common, what's the chance of a 2-engine Cordership spontaneously appearing in soup?
False claim. A twin bee shuttle is also much larger than 16x16 and for that matter, there's several 2-engine Corderpuffer occuring naturally.Freywa wrote: June 7th, 2020, 2:05 amZero. It's ridiculous (a 2EC is larger than the 16-by-16 square seed).Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: June 7th, 2020, 2:00 am If switch engines are quite common, what's the chance of a 2-engine Cordership spontaneously appearing in soup?
When I said "zero" I meant "zero in the sense of statistical mechanics".Hunting wrote: June 7th, 2020, 3:42 amFalse claim. A twin bee shuttle is also much larger than 16x16 and for that matter, there's several 2-engine Corderpuffer occuring naturally.
Disagree. Despite having a nice mechanism, 2EC only needs 2 switch engines and nothing else.Freywa wrote: June 7th, 2020, 4:24 amWhen I said "zero" I meant "zero in the sense of statistical mechanics".Hunting wrote: June 7th, 2020, 3:42 amFalse claim. A twin bee shuttle is also much larger than 16x16 and for that matter, there's several 2-engine Corderpuffer occuring naturally.
The Corderships rely on laying down and deleting blocks on their edges to move. There is also a bunch of junk at the backend that needs to self-cancel in order to leave no debris. The chance of both these things popping out of random ash is about the same as the chance an idealised monkey will type the witches' first speech in Macbeth.
You did not need to say that. Waiting for any object to come out of apgsearch soups is like waiting for atoms of superheavy elements to be produced in a collider – the individual occurrences are random, but even if no instances have appeared we can at least estimate how often they might appear. Of course, the very small probabilities complicate the analysis, but it's not hand-waving.Hunting wrote: June 7th, 2020, 4:28 amDisagree. Despite having a nice mechanism, 2EC only needs 2 switch engines and nothing else.
More or less, though, this is hand-waving. We'll never know until one pops out.
AGF please. There's just thousands of arrangement of two SEs.Freywa wrote: June 7th, 2020, 4:57 amYou did not need to say that. Waiting for any object to come out of apgsearch soups is like waiting for atoms of superheavy elements to be produced in a collider – the individual occurrences are random, but even if no instances have appeared we can at least estimate how often they might appear. Of course, the very small probabilities complicate the analysis, but it's not hand-waving.Hunting wrote: June 7th, 2020, 4:28 amDisagree. Despite having a nice mechanism, 2EC only needs 2 switch engines and nothing else.
More or less, though, this is hand-waving. We'll never know until one pops out.
You are blindly arguing with me for the sake of arguing. You have probably not considered the solid statistics we have compiled over the years running apgsearch on machines of all stripes.
Now, everyone wants to be famous from making discoveries, but they should back away from that aim… we are standing on the shoulders of giants.
I think you've just lost and will not argue the matter with you further.
Hunting's points are perfectly valid, and therefore Hunting is not the one who lost this argument. We do get pairs of switch engines out of soups all the time, and there's no reason why two of them might not show up with the specific offset required for a 2-engine Cordership. The odds are low, but very far from zero. Once the switch engines are in position, all that's required is a little bit more luck in the positioning of junk behind them, and the Cordership will be on its way.
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2ob2o7b2o$6b4o!Yes, Hunting lost upon saying "AGF". I did not say at any time that the probability was exactly zero. Rather, I said that it could appear, and it could definitely appear like Rich's p16, but the chances are less than those required for an exotic switch engine puffer pair to appear.dvgrn wrote: June 7th, 2020, 5:59 amHunting's points are perfectly valid, and therefore Hunting is not the one who lost this argument.
If your original response --Freywa wrote: June 7th, 2020, 6:02 amYes, Hunting lost upon saying "AGF". I did not say at any time that the probability was exactly zero. Rather, I said that it could appear, and it could definitely appear like Rich's p16, but the chances are less than those required for an exotic switch engine puffer pair to appear.dvgrn wrote: June 7th, 2020, 5:59 amHunting's points are perfectly valid, and therefore Hunting is not the one who lost this argument.
-- is meant to imply that the probability was not exactly zero, then you should probably get in the habit of being much more careful with your wording.Freywa wrote: June 7th, 2020, 2:05 amZero. It's ridiculous (a 2EC is larger than the 16-by-16 square seed).Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: June 7th, 2020, 2:00 am If switch engines are quite common, what's the chance of a 2-engine Cordership spontaneously appearing in soup?
There is some irony weaved into that original post. Clearly the probability is not zero – but from a reasonable Lifenthusiast's viewpoint, the probability of a 2EC occurring would at most be very small. It could happen tomorrow, or a month later. This is the nature of randomness – anything that can appear will appear, given enough computational resources.dvgrn wrote: June 7th, 2020, 6:11 am If your original response is meant to imply that the probability was not exactly zero, then you should probably get in the habit of being much more careful with your wording.
I do not think anyone was surprised when Rich's p16 or the pufferfish showed up – or phoenix 1 or the Coe ship or the loafer.dvgrn wrote: June 7th, 2020, 6:11 amYour reply to EV2's question was, at best, useless and misleading. It's possible that the math will work out such that we shouldn't be terribly surprised if a 2-engine Cordership shows up in a C1 soup tomorrow -- whereas we should definitely be surprised if an SHA-256 monkey produces more than a small fraction of the beginning of Macbeth.
19x17 parent:dvgrn wrote: June 7th, 2020, 5:59 am Really the lower bound would be much higher than that, because if one soup exists then there are probably gajillions of variants of it. Here's a 20x18 sample that can probably be packed into 16x16 with some effort:
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o6bobo$8b2o6bobo!Well, but you did sayFreywa wrote: June 7th, 2020, 6:02 amYes, Hunting lost upon saying "AGF". I did not say at any time that the probability was exactly zero. Rather, I said that it could appear, and it could definitely appear like Rich's p16, but the chances are less than those required for an exotic switch engine puffer pair to appear.dvgrn wrote: June 7th, 2020, 5:59 amHunting's points are perfectly valid, and therefore Hunting is not the one who lost this argument.
Ah well, how ironic! You are a fan of MLP yourself...You are blindly arguing with me for the sake of arguing.
16x16 soup:calcyman wrote: June 7th, 2020, 6:59 am19x17 parent:dvgrn wrote: June 7th, 2020, 5:59 am Really the lower bound would be much higher than that, because if one soup exists then there are probably gajillions of variants of it. Here's a 20x18 sample that can probably be packed into 16x16 with some effort:
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